Talk:List of Nobel laureates by country/Archive 2

China/Taiwan section
Dear IP,

please do not alter the subject without consensus, discuss here, Thank You.(KIENGIR (talk) 17:21, 13 June 2020 (UTC))

Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2020
Nobel Prize in Germany John Bannister Goodenough*, Chemistry, 2019 Robert Aumann*, Economics, 2005 177.54.76.225 (talk) 09:07, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. -   t • c 14:33, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 October 2020
Please update the Summary of the number of winners from these 3 countries.

United Stets 384(386) to 388(390) Germany 108 to 110 United Kingdom 132(133) to 134(135) Jstbrbtw1 (talk) 23:45, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ Eyebeller (talk) 16:17, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 October 2020
I asked you to update the number for the United States and the United Kingdom and you did that, but why didn't you do the same for Germany? Jstbrbtw1 (talk) 23:17, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Asartea   Trick  undefined  Treat  11:05, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 October 2020
Germany has 110 Jstbrbtw1 (talk) 01:35, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done Asartea   Trick  undefined  Treat  11:05, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 November 2020
Germany has 111 Nobel Prize winners 177.54.76.225 (talk) 12:59, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: Please specify which one is missing, so it can be added to the list. RudolfRed (talk) 20:43, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 November 2020 (2)
Germany 1. Reinhard Genzel, Physics, 2020 110. Wilhelm Conrad Röntgen, Physics, 1901

Germany has 110 Nobel Prize 177.54.76.225 (talk) 20:19, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. The article lists 110. Please specify what you want changed.  RudolfRed (talk) 20:44, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 February 2020
John B. Goodenough was born in Germany and the Nobel Prize rule is very clear, the entire country of birth of scientists also receives the prize, an example is biologist Peter Brian Medawar, born in Brazil, but lived and had his AlmaMater at the University of Oxford, did not do his research on Brazilian soil, yet Brazil on the Wikipedia list reveals 1 award Nobel Prize to Brazil, won by him in 1960, so as John Bannister Goodenough was born in Germany, Germany should have 109 awards listed on the wikipedia page not the current 108. Add 1 more Nobel Prize to Germany or withdraw the Nobel Prize from Brazil. Grateful for the attention! Joaoventavoli (talk) 03:52, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Is he listed/acknowledged officially as a German? I did not found such. If you think Medawar is listed incorrectly - it may have had happen, since many disruption the page suffered continously -, we may remove the netry for Brazil but again, is he as well listed/acknowledged officially a Brazilian Nobel laureate?(KIENGIR (talk) 22:10, 9 February 2020 (UTC))
 * Marked as answered, no replies for two weeks. Feel free to re-open as necessary. Altamel (talk) 06:44, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

I don't understand your hatred for Germany, if it weren't for me, Germany would still have 108 winners today, you have updated from all countries and from Germany as well as not updating, you still ate some winners. Respect the rule imposed by the page itself. Quote from the page '' If a country is merely mentioned as the place of birth, an asterisk (*) is used in the respective listing to indicate this. [5] '' - Sources that prove he was born in Germany, source of his own Nobel Prize page. https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/chemistry/2019/goodenough/facts/ Born: 25 July 1922, Jena, Germany — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.54.76.225 (talk) 19:42, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 November 2020
The change is to change the number 108 X in the summary to 110 Y (which are already listed on the wikipedia page after clicking 108). Here is a list of all the winners:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates_by_country#Germany

Germany already had 109 Nobel Prize Winners (X) in 2019, but in 2020 the country won another Nobel Prize in physic passing to 110 Winners (Y). The United States won 5 awards in 2020 from 385 (X) to 390 (Y) and was corrected, the United Kingdom won 2 awards in 2020 and went from 133 (X) to 135 (Y), France won 1 award in 2020 and went from 70 (X) to 71 (Y). In all, only 4 countries won the Nobel Prize in that year 2020, they were in descending order: United States 5, United Kingdom 2, Germany 1 and France 1, all the other 3 countries had updates and only Germany did not. Why?

177.54.76.225 (talk) 05:11, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Blablubbs (talk • contribs) 16:46, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 November 2020
In the penultimate sentence of the second paragraph, this page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates_by_country) clearly states that if a Nobel Prize winner is only born in one country, that country also becomes the winner of that Nobel Prize. Just needing to put an asterisk sign (*) to indicate.

If a country is merely mentioned as the place of birth, an asterisk (*) is used in the respective listing to indicate this.[5].

However, the scientist listed below (Robert J. Aumann) was born in Germany and was not included in the country's list. source of proof: ( https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/economic-sciences/2005/aumann/facts/ )

Robert J. Aumann The Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel 2005 'see the excerpt: ... Born: 8 June 1930, Frankfurt-on-the-Main, Germany ''' In 2019, another scientist born in Germany was snubbed by the page, and after he was fairly included in the List, despite that, an additional number (+1) was not included in the total list of prize winners for the country Germany in the Summary. Evidence source: ( https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/chemistry/2019/goodenough/facts/ )

Excerpt consistent with the law and rule of the page: '' John B. Goodenough The Nobel Prize in Chemistry 2019

Born: 25 July 1922, Jena, Germany ''

'''To summarize: I kindly ask you to update the number of German Nobel Prize winners from 108 to 111. And add scientist Robert J. Aumann to the list (which already contains 110) of winners.''' 177.54.76.225 (talk) 05:31, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Unfortunately I just noticed you again stealthy pushed Goodenough as German, although this issue has been discussed already in February. So apart from that, you should formulate a new request concerning other issues.(KIENGIR (talk) 17:07, 5 November 2020 (UTC))

stealthily? Respect me. You are not following the rule that if a country has someone born in its territory, it wins the prize too. I will go to court against Wikipedia if you don't fix it, or change the information provided at the top of the page. Several countries like the United Kingdom have winners who either did the research or studied there, but just because they were born, increased +1 for the country. Stealthily? Again, respect me.

Germany has 111 Winners! No 109.Why are you conspiring against Germany? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.54.76.225 (talk) 19:37, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 November 2020
Germany has 111 Nobel Prize, not 109 Please, correct and follow the rules as mentioned above. 177.54.76.225 (talk) 04:30, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Melmann 22:36, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

The font is the Nobel Prize website itself, which font is more powerful than that?

John B. Goodenough: Born: 25 July 1922, Jena, Germany https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/chemistry/2019/goodenough/facts/

Robert J. Aumann: 8 June 1930, Frankfurt-on-the-Main, Germany https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/economic-sciences/2005/aumann/facts/

And the rule is very clear If a country is merely mentioned as the place of birth, an asterisk (*) is used in the respective listing to indicate this.[5].

So, if Germany has 109 Nobel prizes, and those two scientists who were born there are not listed, 109 + 2 = 111. What other source do you want?

Justice for Germany
And the rule is very clear If a country is merely mentioned as the place of birth, an asterisk (*) is used in the respective listing to indicate this.[5].

John B. Goodenough and Robert J. Aumann were born in germany, you ask for fonts, but which font is more important than that of the Nobel Prize website itself?

John B. Goodenough: Born: 25 July 1922, Jena, Germany https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/chemistry/2019/goodenough/facts/

Robert J. Aumann: 8 June 1930, Frankfurt-on-the-Main, Germany https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/economic-sciences/2005/aumann/facts/

If this country of birth rule is not taken into account, we would have to review all 76 other countries (and the number of Nobel Prize winners per country would decrease in several countries), please stop boycotting Germany. 177.54.76.225 (talk) 20:03, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please stop all of these about Goodenough, who is American, and it is anyway indicated where he was born. Any new edit request should be formulated without pushing the same about him.(KIENGIR (talk) 19:18, 11 November 2020 (UTC))

Semi-protected edit request on 10 November 2020
Please, change the number of German Nobel Prize winners from the current 109 (X) to 111 (Y). Two scientists were born in Germany, the Nobel Prize website itself confirms this, but they were not included in the List of Germany on this page, sources follow: John B. Goodenough: Born July 25, 1922, Jena, Germany https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/chemistry/2019/goodenough/facts/

Robert J. Aumann: June 8, 1930, Frankfurt-on-the-Main, Germany https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/economic-sciences/2005/aumann/facts/ 177.54.76.225 (talk) 23:42, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: same reason as above.(KIENGIR (talk) 19:20, 11 November 2020 (UTC))

BUT he born in Germany

Semi-protected edit request on 11 November 2020
John B. Goodenough and Robert J. Aumann Did these 2 scientists who were born in Germany lose German citizenship? Or have they given up German citizenship? If they are not German, I apologize to you. 177.54.76.225 (talk) 23:59, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Has been already discussed--Ymblanter (talk) 19:24, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2020
Peter Medawar *, Physiology or Medicine, 1960 he was born in Brazil, but gave up Brazilian citizenship and died being only British, and in his own wikipedia profile this is clear. So why does Brazil have a Nobel Prize but two scientists who were born in Germany did you forbid me to place between one hundred and nine winners? Either take the 1st prize from Brazil or add two prizes to Germany, because both (both the scientist who was born in Brazil but abdicated his citizenship later, as the two scientists who were born in Germany) then in the same selection criteria.

John Bannister Goodenough*, Peter Medawar* and Robert Aumann* all three follow the same order, they was born in one country, but they did science in another country, or add these 3 or remove these 3, to be fair. 177.54.76.225 (talk) 07:20, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Melmann 17:21, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

STOP BOICOT FOR GERMANY
Brazil has 0 Nobel Prize and Germany 109 or Brazil has 1 Nobel Prize and Germany 111 177.54.76.225 (talk) 18:47, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Andrew nyr  talk  contribs  05:23, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 December 2020
After the  Summary  is very clear: Nobel Prizes by category/country of birth

But there are scientists who were born in Germany, some died only American, others died Germans too, but who are not mentioned in the country Germany, and in all other countries, it was enough to be born in some country for that country to get an extra winner. Please correct a mistake that you do not assume you made and never discussed with me, just will arbitrarilyng, saying no.

Wassily Leontief, born in Germany, Economics, 1973. Robert Aumann, born in Germany, moved to Israel from America, Economics, 2005. Joachim Frank, born in Germany, Chemistry, 2017. John B. Goodenough, born in Germany, Chemistry, 2019. 177.54.76.225 (talk) 04:56, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: same reason as above told multiple times, stop finally these disruptive edit request.(KIENGIR (talk) 14:35, 25 December 2020 (UTC))

Stop stubbornness, correct the mistake. American moderator, this will not affect the reputation of the USA, why are you doing this with Germany?
Videos on Youtube (as in the example below), articles from newspapers, magazines, blogs and quotes in general are sharing this misinformation that Germany has only 109 Nobel Prizes, and due to the stubbornness of a page administrator, 3 scientists were excluded born in germany, slightly damaging the reputation and the truth. Germany has 112 winners, the complete information is just above. Nobody managed to deny me, nobody got any plausible argument saying that my information is false, so why do you insist on the error? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMXAfkwbZWM 177.54.76.225 (talk) 20:50, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Youtube is not a reliable source, read WP:RS, specifically WP:USERGENERATED for more. Terasail &#91;✉&#93; 23:14, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 December 2020
'' Not done: same reason as above told multiple times, stop finally these disruptive edit request.(KIENGIR (talk) 14:35, 25 December 2020 (UTC)). ''

It is disturbing for me to show the error, to show the concert, the truth, and for you to continue with the error. I will open a petition and a Wikipedia will end up in the newspapers. 177.54.76.225 (talk) 20:52, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: If you don't stop, the page will face more severe restrictions.(KIENGIR (talk) 04:53, 26 December 2020 (UTC))

The page itself does not follow the rules invented by itself. Close the Edit and Suggestion option and continue Invalidating truths to benefit countries and harm others.
 Not done: If you don't stop, the page will face more severe restrictions.(KIENGIR (talk) 04:53, 26 December 2020 (UTC)) 

I don't know why you leave it open to edit, since the truth is not taken seriously for you. It closes public participation once and for all, since the Dictator system does not respect the rules created by the page itself that says that the births of a country bring victory to the country in which it was born. If you don't respect the rule invented by yourself, there's no reason to pretend to be democratic and leave it open for editing. I have already warned some news portals, waiting for the pandemic to pass, to report this little boycott to Germany. 177.54.76.225 (talk) 06:45, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: .(KIENGIR (talk) 04:53, 26 December 2020 (UTC))

Nobel Prize in Germany is 112, not 109
Because 3 cientists born in Germany, not have Nobel for Germany?

Please, answer me Stolen4mary (talk) 21:33, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Such issues have been already discussed in several above entries.(KIENGIR (talk) 14:02, 4 January 2021 (UTC))

Semi-protected edit request on 24 February 2021
Zinkernagel listed under Australia is an Austrian - should be listed under Austria 124.187.79.166 (talk) 06:40, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Nope. . ◢  Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 07:57, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 March 2021
Add missing Nobel Price winner for Switzerland:


 * 1) Médecins Sans Frontières, Peace, 1999

(It is mentioned in the french and simple english version of this article, and Médecins Sans Frontières is based in Switzerland) TheAlphaState (talk) 13:56, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
 * It was founded in France, and now has it's headquarters in Switzerland. I think you should get consensus to have it moved from one country to the other as things dealing with which nations get credit are often contentious. Thanks. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:42, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 April 2021
Change "China, (Republic of China on Taiwan)" to "Taiwan" Jdouglasj999 (talk) 21:40, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Seems to be the established way to distinguish between the two Chinas. This is clearly contentious otherwise, so please gain consensus for your edit. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs)  01:56, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 April 2021
"China, (Republic of China on Taiwan)" to "Taiwan" It is necessary to be consistent with the Taiwan page on Wikipedia. Jdouglasj999 (talk) 16:32, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Only Yuan T. Lee seems to be clear-cut Taiwanese; the rest need more community input.  ◢  Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 02:31, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

A note about the article
I wonder whether the country "Algeria" should be included in the Summary: Number of Nobel laureates by country. While I understand the inclusion of, e.g., Croatia (Ružička and Prelog reportedly were ethnic Croats), I am shocked by the inclusion of Algeria. As for nationality: Claude Cohen-Tannoudji and Camus were French, always French. As for ethnicity: Claude Cohen-Tannoudji is Jewish and Camus French, possibly with some Spanish origin, but still European, definitely not Arab (nor Berber). In the list there are even people who appear in more than one section, like Mother Theresa and Prelog. If I understand correctly, those people appear in different sections because they changed nationality or their ethnicity and nationality were not the same. But in the case of Cohen and Camus, they were not ethnic Arabs, they were born in France, and they were always French nationals, so why is Algeria in the Summary? Or can new countries retroactively claim the successes of their predecessors, even though they had nothing to do with their ethnicity and culture and simply happened to be born on what is now their soil?--Haldir Marchwarden (talk) 13:40, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

MacMillan is Scottish.
David MacMillan is Scottish, or British, he is not "British-American" despite holding both citizenships.

All sources refer to him as "Scottish" - "Scots" - or "British", with only Princeton even referencing his US Citizenship on top of his British one.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/nobel-prize-scottish-german-princeton-university-chemistry-b959099.html

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58814418

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/scotland-now/scots-scientist-wins-nobel-prize-25151568

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/scottish-scientist-jointly-wins-nobel-120108141.html?guce_referrer=ahr0chm6ly93d3cuz29vz2xllmnvbs8&guce_referrer_sig=aqaaag0erfctzt7fg7qh8e_4jydjb_qwgv0hjiu0ralmdl9z6qthlpb35okkcgdst21dcnxgyo1eo0mujlnqimp1ve2jxr2aw1jewss7gjuwxy9resg9z3lbrlqpdacymykci4o_yqtwoa5hzhvyaylias4_vhqo1x0zwvdi03ry5yna

David himself states his nationality as Scottish https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-58828279.

As he also does in his Twitter bio. @dmac68, he specifically defines his Nationality as Scottish: "Scottish chemist". Not British, Scottish-American, British-American or any other merging. Please leave the Nationality listed on the Wikipedia page as Scottish, as David MacMillan clearly defines himself as being Scottish.

Nobel themselves refer to him as British only, considering this is a list on the matter, and they're the relevant authority, it should stand as such.80.0.69.127 (talk) 01:40, 12 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I think you are confusing ethnicity and nationality. Those two can be completely different things. A person can be both ethnically Scottish while holding British and American citizenship. --boldblazer 06:52, 12 October 2021 (UTC)


 * His own statements refer to him as Scottish, as does Nobel. If you can find a source identifying him as “Scottish-American” rather than simply listing citizenships, then that would give your argument more weight. People who obtained Irish citizenship after the Brexit referendum aren’t suddenly referred to as “British-Irish” just for having the citizenship. Nobel, and himself, state he is Scottish, or British.80.0.69.127 (talk) 07:01, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Another thing to note, if your argument is “we use citizenship” then why isn’t Einstein under the US either? Macmillan is not American, and neither was he.80.0.69.127 (talk) 07:09, 12 October 2021 (UTC)


 * How is the term "Scottish-American" relevant here? I agree that he is Scottish, but I don't care about that part. The only thing that appears to be disputed here is whether to include just one or both nationalities. May I point you to the announcement of the Nobel Prize in Chemistry where MacMillan was described as "David MacMillan, USA" under which said "Born in the UK, 1968" and "Princeton University, USA". So, it seems that there is going to be inconsistency by them no matter what. There's also the part where this entire article seems a bit problematic, but that's a whole other can of worms. --boldblazer 08:31, 12 October 2021 (UTC)


 * It’s inconsistent all the way down. Is the article supposed to go off where they were teaching at the time? Or do we include them under every single citizenship they may have sometime held? What about if we include them only under their self identified country? Both Whittingham and Kosterlitz are listed by Nobel officially as British, yet they both have US citizenship and have lengthy academic careers in both countries.80.0.69.127 (talk) 08:44, 12 October 2021 (UTC)


 * If the Nobel Committee is inconsistent and sometimes has incomplete information compared to what is already present in Wikipedia articles about the laureates, would it be better off to set a new standard for how this list article should be organized? One way I see that would reduce problems would be to have two lists, one with country of birth, and the other with the nationality/ies of the laureates at the time they were awarded the prize (or some other strict criteria). I realise that there are other problems present too, such as the alphabetical order being wrong. One could theoretically just rework this article again from the top. --boldblazer 09:02, 12 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I think we need to agree upon a set criteria for how we count each country, as you say, it’s inconsistent themselves, then we need to come up with “Wikipedia’s way of counting them” and make it a clear rule on the article so people, such as myself, don’t come storming in angry that it’s wrong (to me). As you say, perhaps it needs a full rework with agreed upon criteria, but that’s a lot of work. Maybe one of those tag thingys will do in the meantime?80.0.69.127 (talk) 09:09, 12 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I have the cleanup template in place and have also added a separate talk section for discussing criteria. --boldblazer 09:34, 12 October 2021 (UTC)


 * The Nobel Committee consistently announces science Nobel winners with the country of the affiliated institution(s) where the research/scholarship predominately took place for which they are awarding. Therefore, since David MacMillan is affiliated with Princeton University and indeed his entire academic career has taken place in the U.S. at U.S. institutions, the Nobel Committee will naturally affiliate him with the U.S.  I don't think this matter is remotely controversial.  Whether MacMillan has both British and American citizenship or not, he should still count as a U.S. laureate (as well as U.K.) by virtue of how the Nobel Committee affiliates laureates with countries. Vdjj1960 (talk) 20:22, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Stricter criteria
In this article, the need for some stricter criteria has been shown. Alongside that, there is also other problems present too. Starting off with the list criteria, it seems the Nobel Committee is not fully consistent themselves, and may have incomplete information on their site, so using the Nobel Committee's website alone as the only source seems problematic. As a result, because Wikipedia articles about the laureates may have more information available, there may arise some disputes over how a particular laureate should be included in a list. Thus, some stricter criteria is needed. For me, I would prefer having two lists with criteria based on country of birth and nationality of laureates at the time they were awarded (or something similar). More ideas are welcome. --boldblazer 09:31, 12 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Perhaps we could try a table style list? We could have Name, year of award, place of birth, nationality w/ (identifies as* if applicable), field of study, institution. I know it would take some weeks to implement for everything, but it might also fix the alphabetical issue too.80.0.69.127 (talk) 12:37, 12 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't think a separate table is necessary. The purpose of this article is to show how many and which Nobel laureates are associated with what country.  There is a danger of overcomplicating the article by adding specific details that already exist on Nobel laureates' individual articles.  For Literature and Peace laureates, the Nobel Committee consistently affiliates them with the country of their birth and the country(s) where they have citizenship.  For the science and economics laureates, the country of the institution(s) where the research/scholarship predominately took place is a third factor determining country affiliation.  Theoretically, if each of the 3 data points is a different country for a specific laureate then each country should list and count said laureate.  This article was long edited with this understanding and heretofore it has worked well.  I fear that stricter criteria for country affiliation than the 3 data categories I have outlined will cause considerably more conflict among editors. Vdjj1960 (talk) 19:56, 12 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I don’t think a separate table is needed either, I’m saying we put the current list into a table instead, covering all the variables per country. That way we include everything. As an example, for your theoretical way of counting this isn’t currently consistent with the article either, as French scientists who as an example have been awarded nobels while at the University of Oxford, are not listed under United Kingdom. Hence why a table including institution, place of birth, AND nationality, would solve such things.80.0.69.127 (talk) 00:33, 13 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't agree that the current countries summary table should be changed. A simple count of Nobel laureates per country is useful and it's probably the reason most readers actually visit the article. Also, individual Nobel laureates tend to have multiple affiliated institutions; therefore, any table that includes all of them will be extremely lengthy.  Vdjj1960 (talk) 22:04, 12 October 2021 (UTC)


 * You aren't listening to me, I don't want to change the tally table, I want to change the lists under each country to a table that includes all the relevant information. Including the institution that they were working at at the time would be the precedent, especially as it is usually listed by Nobel themselves consistently.80.0.69.127 (talk) 02:21, 13 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I understand you clearly and again I'll say that such a change is unnecessary. The format of this article has existed for a long time and the Talk page doesn't indicate any widespread problems with how the data is presented or laments about missing data categories.  Vdjj1960 (talk) 22:43, 12 October 2021 (UTC)


 * If the change is unnecessary how do you propose we fix the glaring inconsistencies within the article?80.0.69.127 (talk) 03:15, 13 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't think the article has glaring inconsistencies, and no one has demonstrated otherwise. The burden of proof is on those who want to dismantle the article. Vdjj1960 (talk) 08:46, 13 October 2021 (UTC)


 * But others, clearly do think there are. I have clearly demonstrated otherwise with examples of how people are listed by institution, but not included in the United Kingdom despite them being awarded the nobel while at Oxford, or individuals born in Japan, who emigrated to the US and are only listed under United States despite still holding both citizenships. Or even those with depreciated citizenships like Prussian.80.0.69.127 (talk) 03:48, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

== David MacMillan 2021 Chemistry Nobel prize winner should be listed under USA because his Nobel related work was done in US, his entire professeional life was in US. he is a dual US/UK citizen, he is c ==

Scottish is not a category under your Article. If you are to be consistent Daid MacMillan must be under United States because of his overwlming connections with theUSS, and under UK for his birth.Please review Wikipedia biography of Mr. MacMillan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:240:CB03:4D0:884F:FC2:EC98:FE24 (talk) 22:08, 12 October 2021 (UTC)


 * No it wasn’t, he’s had plenty of professional work in the U.K., and refers to himself in interviews as “Scottish” while Nobel lists him as British.80.0.69.127 (talk) 00:33, 13 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Your arguments are unconvincing. You haven't convinced any other editor why MacMillan should get excluded from the United States list. Vdjj1960 (talk) 22:17, 12 October 2021 (UTC)


 * On the contrary, another established editor agrees the article is problematic and inconsistent.80.0.69.127 (talk) 02:22, 13 October 2021 (UTC)


 * You've spent days singularly focused on reverting editors who've added David MacMillan to the United States list. No other editor including that established editor supported your crusade.  If your main concern was the criteria used to associate Nobel laureates with specific countries, then you should've taken that concern to the Talk page instead of initiating an edit war.  Vdjj1960 (talk) 22:53, 12 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I did take it to the talk page, before anyone else did, including yourself, who instead attempted to have me blocked. You were then instructed to come to the talk page where I already was. Glad you came to your senses. How do you propose we fix all the inconsistencies in he article?80.0.69.127 (talk) 03:17, 13 October 2021 (UTC)


 * You came to the talk page to discuss David MacMillan and demonstrated your ignorance on the differences between citizenship, nationality and ethnicity. Now, you're gaslighting and pretending that your focus isn't parochial. This is my last response to you because discourse with you is an unproductive waste of time.  Vdjj1960 (talk) 15:42, 13 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I object to your use of loaded language with "crusade" and have now called me ignorant and accused me of gaslighting with personal attacks. I think when you look to get people blocked it's projection on your part due to your own behaviour. I wish you improvement in this.80.0.69.127 (talk) 03:46, 14 October 2021 (UTC)