Talk:List of North American animals extinct in the Holocene

old topics
I can round up some death dates for a few animals killed in the historical area, and thought that would go nicely in a list here. ~ender 2003-03-31 01:03 MST

I'd like to link this to List_of_birds, however I think that would be better done if this page were broken up: List_of_extinct_animals was composed of just a list of other lists: List_of_extinct_birds, List_of_extinct_mammals, etc...  Then List_of_birds could point to List_of_extinct_birds as a related topic, instead of all this other stuff. This list got quite big, quite fast. Thanks. ~ender 2003-04-03 00:16 MST

Is there a reason why List of Extinct Animals links here? It kind of gives the impression that only American animals have ever become extinct. Is there a list of other countries' extinct animals somewhere? --Darac 10:27, 28 Nov 2003 (UTC)


 * I would like to know this as well. There once was a list of ALL extinct animals (still viewable in the history). Where are the other animals now? Did anybody erase them from this list? I will restore the old article, but it would be interesting to know the meaning of this action. -- Baldhur 19:31, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Press Mention
This article was mentioned in the OC Weekly. See Wikipedia as a press source for more info. jengod 00:19, Feb 13, 2004 (UTC)


 * Interestingly, I think the author misunderstood the nature of wikipedia (perhaps willfully, perhaps negligently) by assuming that this list was complete. The list does not support the author's claims, because wikipedia does not claim that the list is exhaustive. DanKeshet 00:26, Feb 13, 2004 (UTC)


 * Perhaps it would be wise to label the list as non-exhaustive, then. - Nunh-huh 00:35, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)

How is BC and NFLD US, eh?
Animals from British Columbia and Newfoundland are listed as being yankee animals. Does Wikipedia feel Canada is the 51st state? -- user:zanimum
 * I'd assumed this might have been a holdover from this page previously being a generic list of extinct animals, but you're probably right. Now I'm miffed. Rhymeless


 * You realize than many animals don't actually recognize human borders right? It is a serious problem, and we need to get the animals to recognize our pretend boundaries and political distinctions, but until that time, its probably a bit beside the point. 128.97.227.219 20:23, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Please rename this article...
...List of human-age extinct animals of the United States to indicate it excludes animals such as dinosaurs, pterosaurs, plesiosaurs, icthyosaurs, and pelycosaurs. 66.245.107.192 00:08, 22 May 2004 (UTC)

status of red wolf
The red wolf listed under extinct mammals seems not to be actually extinct. Apparently, some red wolves were found in Canada. They were thought to have been grey wolves. This wasn't known until 1999. When and what was your source for this list? Matthias5 04:12, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

status of Megamouth shark
Does not appear to be extinct. Refer to article Megamouth shark. I removed it from list.Tobycat 01:40, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Eskimo Curlew
The article that is linked to from here for Eskimo Curlew lists it with a conservation status of 'Critical'. Can someone who is pretty sure of the determination one way or another change one of the articles for consistency. Or drop me a note as to which is wrong and I can do it. The article says:
 * The last confirmed sighting was in 1962 in Texas; there was an unconfirmed report of 23 birds in Texas in 1981. This bird is certainly at risk, if not already extinct.

So I suppose this article is probbly correct, I will post on the talk page over there and change the article in a few days if no one objects. Dalf | Talk 06:58, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Arizona jaguar
Some fags notes on the Arizona jaguar which may be useful if anyone wants to write an article...

I was trying to verify whether this species exists and is extinct, seeing as it has been recently added to the list. It seems to be Panthera onca arizonensis, a subspecies of the jaguar (Panthera onca). This page says the last confirmed specimens in Arizona are from 1900-1905 but there have been more recent unconfirmed sightings (and I found other references to recent sightings on the internet). I don't know if these sightings would be Panthera onca arizonensis or another subspecies. There's quite a lot of information on that page but I still can't tell (from a quick scan at least) whether it's still considered extinct. Hopefully someone who knows more about it can explain the situation in an Arizona jaguar article.

-- Andy Smith (talk) 16:07, 15 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I've removed Arizona Jaguar for the time being, it may be Critically Endangered in Mexico but it is not indicated as extinct. -- Miwa 06:56, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't get it
Several of these species seem to not be extinct at all, and some of them are even classified as "Lower risk" conservation status. Does an animal's appearance on this page mean that it can no longer be found in the United States, or what..?

EDIT: Extinct sub-species, got it. Missed the footnote. :) Carry on, WikiHeads.
 * The Gray Whale isn't extinct at all, it's just extinct in the United States. Kind of a confusing situation. Is there a better way to explain what this list is? MaxVeers 09:43, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Recent edits
I went through the latest IUCN Red List. I haven't updated all the snail shells and caddisflies, but in any case it appears that the Tennessee / Tombigbee waterway really really got thrashed. Also, Hawaiian moths (thanks to all the Common Mynas flying around), and anything dependent on the critically endangered American Chestnut. Ouch.

I can't imagine what the corresponding article for the former Soviet Union is gonna look like, but if the Aral Sea is any indication, that too will be a very, very long list. *sigh* This is not exactly a list I really wanted to expand on, but someone's gotta do it ... I'd say "Cheers", but it's sort of hard to on an article like this ... -- Miwa 07:01, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

O'ahu Tree Snails
These snails are listed as extinct here but as endangered in their own article. Which is correct? BauerPower 03:35, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Some species have gone extinct, others are endangered. -- Miwa * talk * contribs ^_^ 04:54, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

The wolves listed here never existed in the first place
There are only two species of wolf; gray and red. There are no more species, and there never was, except the direwolf. That is all there is, was, and will be. Using this logic, we would classify an American as a seperate species of human than a Canadian, etc.
 * The other wolves listed here are not classified as species, but as subspecies (although some may not be considered valid anymore). Peter Maas 14:31, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * When I think of a list of 'extinct animals' I think of species, like the pasenger pigeion, that is totally extinct, not extripated from one area. I think this page should focus just on those totally extinct, and stop worrying about subspceis like arizona wapiti.  The wiki page for that animal can go into details about what subspecies or range reductions have happened in the past.  My opinion, but I don't want to delete a bunch of lines if I'm the outlier.  I like that the page specifies the time period from holocene to 1500, then 1500 to current, leaving out dinosaurs etc. for another list.  It'd be too long then, but maybe the lists should link.--Paddling bear (talk) 04:12, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Double headlines
There are some thing that need to be changed here. First the article says that "This list covers only extinctions from 14,000 years ago to 1500 AD", but clearly it contains also extinctions after 1500 AD. Now there are two headlines for mammals and birds, maybe an attempt to create a distinction between before and after 1500 AD, but now it is very confusing. I will see what I can do about that. Any help and/or comments are welcome of course. Peter Maas\talk 11:08, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Golden Bear?
Why is there an extinction entry for a legendary creature? Should we add griffins, dragons, and chimera as well? 128.97.227.219 20:21, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Removed. Basar 02:26, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Channel Islands
"Pygmy Mammoth, Mammuthus exilis, Channel Islands." As far as I was aware the Channel Islands are off the coast of France and have nothing to do with the USA. I'm confused by the reference. Quigabyte 22:23, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


 * It means Channel Islands of California – I've corrected and linked it. Richard New Forest (talk) 10:20, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Canada
Strange that there are lots of extinct animals from "the USA", Alaska, Cuba etc, but none from Canada. Shouldn't most or all of the "USA" refs be for "North America"? Richard New Forest (talk) 10:20, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Needs some work
The amphibian and fish sections look like they could use some work. I think more than 4 species of amphibians have disappeared just in this generation, so it probably should be looked into. And the fish possible extinctions needs a mention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cornersss (talk • contribs) 14:04, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

American Lion
Should the American Lion be included on this page? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_lion — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:18E8:2:28B7:F000:0:0:2903 (talk) 20:27, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Indigo-capped Hummingbird
Doesn't look like this Talk page is visited much these days, but the inclusion of the Indigo-capped Hummingbird (Amazilia cyanifrons) seems rather odd, considering the species it links to is not only not extinct but listed as "Least Concern". ...Actually, upon further review, it seems to be referring to a possible subspecies Amazilia cyanifrons alfaroana or a distinct species Amazilia alfaroana--either way, known only from a single specimen. But that's on the SPANISH wiki's page for the Indigo-capped Hummingbird. The ENGLISH wiki's page is, like, three sentences long and makes no mention of this Costa Rican species/subspecies/hybrid. (Also, the English wiki has the bird as Saucerottia cyanifrons--I thought the point of scientific names was to have one name uniformly recognized regardless of language? More likely, one of the two is out of date. But I have no idea. Somebody who knows anything about this, please?) 147.226.222.21 (talk) 04:01, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I will check IUCN and run a search in Google Scholar for the possible subspecies, if nothing turns out. Menah the Great (talk) 11:04, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * What you said, there was a possible subspecies that is considered a different species now, but the IUCN doesn't have it as extinct but as 'data defficient', so I'm removing it. Menah the Great (talk) 06:59, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

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