Talk:List of Omnitrix aliens/Archive 5

Omnitrix Page Delete
Guys we got trouble! We must somehow get the page shorter or it will be deleted! Davaguirre —The preceding  signed but undated.

Ok, who's idea was it to delete this page?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.153.49.11 (talk) 15:10, August 26, 2007 (UTC)


 * The problem is not the length of this page, so much as a concern with the subject. Which I consider incorrect, for reasons expressed on the AFD page.  FrozenPurpleCube 20:11, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I don`t think so. It says in the notice that the article may be too long. Davaguirre —The preceding  signed but undated.
 * That's an editing concern, not a deletion concern. See the actual AFD for the "reasons" . FrozenPurpleCube 21:31, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

81.153.49.11 16:49, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey! This is what says the notice in the Omnitrix page:  This article may be too long.
 * Please discuss this issue on the talk page and help summarize or split the content into subarticles of an article series. Davaguirre


 * That's a separate notice. There are currently three: one for deletion, one with aspect of the series in bold, and one about the article being too long. The three have nothing to do with each other. Now, if you will click here you can see why it was nominated for deletion. The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 21:51, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok. So may be we can make one page for the Omnitrix Description and another for the aliens. Davaguirre
 * Let`s make one page for each alien. Davaguirre —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.178.29.217 (talk) 21:35, August 27, 2007 (UTC)
 * One page for each alien is uncalled for. Just add the aliens to the list of characters. -Sukecchi 22:05, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think the page is fine as it is, but if it comes time to compromise then here's my suggestion: Ben 10 already has a section on the Omnitrix which basically just guides people here. We can incorporate some/most of the Description and Design sections of this article into that article, then we can turn this into "List of Omnitrix aliens" or something like that. The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 22:43, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Zfish9 00:05, 28 August 2007 (UTC) okay, who the (censored) want this deleted? without the omnitrix there would be no show. this article is very informative about ben 10. i absolutly refuse for this article to be deleted.


 * The place for that discussion is at Articles for deletion/Omnitrix but you may wish to consider revising your statement somewhat. It may come across as hostile in some ways.  FrozenPurpleCube 03:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

i agree with the paper wieght guy81.153.49.11 16:49, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

IF this page had to be deleted and merged, why in the world would it be merged with the character artical? I think since now Ben has nearly as many new aliens as old ones, we should split it in two so to remove the face it is too long and if that is the reason it could be deleted then it would also save it from such. If you agree then one of you will have to do this, I'm not good at that kind of thing. Superx 15:39, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

--Youh2 15:49, 6 September 2007 (UTC)It would be better if the omnitrix article will stay,I sometimes watching in that article new aliens,pictures should stay too

What if we keep the omnitrix stuff here, and put the aliens in a new article, like "Aliens From Omnitrix" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hyuuga-sama (talk • contribs) 14:13, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, we've already got some ideas going down below. See Cleanup and Omnitrix merge targets. The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 17:16, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

What about seperating obtained forms and the original 10 into separate articles. Or give articles to more important forms. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.91.28.221 (talk) 15:18, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup
Ok, so some folks in the AFD have expressed a desire to improve this article in various ways. As I see it, there are a couple of options. One is to cover the device in minimal terms on the Ben 10 article, with the aliens on the characters page. Another is to simply trim things down, or to make an article just on the aliens on its own page. Are there any other ideas? FrozenPurpleCube 19:53, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I should point out Ben 10 Planet, a wiki devoted to Ben 10. It seems fairly young and could do with some serious improvement. Before doing anything to this article, it would be a good idea to copy most/all of the information here onto the Ben 10 wiki, then trim this article down to just the basics. I don't know how much smaller the Description and Design sections can get, but the information on the aliens should probably be trimmed down so that we only have what is relevant to Ben's aliens. For example, we keep "Wildmutt 'sees' with his heightened senses of smell and hearing," as this is vital to understanding Wildmutt. However, we should probably leave out stuff like "Though Wildmutt has not used this ability yet, Vulpimancers can fire the quills on their backs like projectiles." Not only has Ben not used this ability, but other Vulpimancers have not demonstrated it either (if I am wrong please correct me). Other information to omit would include home planets and civilizations as this has little to do with Ben transforming into said alien form. I have a lot more ideas, but I think I've said more than enough for now. The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 21:01, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, if other Vulpimancers have demonstrated the ability, the way to cite it would be to say the episode it appeared in, and then say Ben has't done it. But I don't know if that is the case or not.  I'm not sure about the home planet or not, I think if this page were split off, it would be absolutely important to include, and I don't oppose it being present here either.  As for putting things on the Ben 10 Wiki, well, the history of this article will be kept, so it's not necessary to move it first, you need only write down say the date, you want to use, and if in the future, you feel it's worth copying, do that. FrozenPurpleCube 21:09, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I suggested leaving out home planets because it has little to do with Ben transforming into and using the alien. Of course we would want to include some things, such as Tetrax's and Cannonbolt's planets being destroyed, and maybe that Pyronites live on a star rather than a planet. But some things are really unnecessary for understanding how an alien form works. Ripjaws is no less intimidating just by knowing that his home world is one big ocean. Besides, I don't necessarily want to see the information go either. I just think that if we have to get rid of something, then this is one of the things we can live without. The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 22:38, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with this. Oh, and to clarify the Vulpimancer thing, it should be noted that only the toy line and website profiles explain the quills. The show never makes an issue of it. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:48, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, the reason I think it's important to describe what we know of the worlds is because form often follows function. I actually think it's one of the more important things to include, though it might be very short, or at least shorter than most of it is now.  A single sentence at least.  It helps to know why an alien is the way it is, at least to me.  FrozenPurpleCube 23:37, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * One or two should be fine. Don't go off tangent. Pacific Coast Highway {talk • contribs} 01:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I suppose you do have a point in keeping the homeworld info, but I'm trying to separate the vital from the helpful. The most important information is what the aliens can do, any weaknesses they may have, etc., etc. In other words, things Ben would care about (and maybe some things he wouldn't). Some information about how they are the way they are may be helpful in understanding them, so I can see why you would want to keep some homeworld info. Let's take Fourarms for an example: "Khoros is now an undeveloped desert planet where survival of the fittest is the only law." I admit that this information helps explain why Tetramands are as physically strong as they are. However, the precceding information is what I consider unnecessary: "Once a civilized world, dominated by a confederation of city states," This info doesn't really tell us much about Tetramands today. It's a nice bit of trivia, but we can do just as well without it. So I suppose some planet info would be nice, but only when it helps. Plus, I don't think it is the first thing we should keep. The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 16:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Indeed, I think the city-states bit probably isn't worth including, but the survival thing is, though perhaps for Fourarms it's less vital than the Fireguy or the aquatic fish thing. But to a certain extent, that can be valuable stuff.  FrozenPurpleCube 17:49, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm currently converting the article into a Ben Tennyson article on my sandbox. By the time I'm done, the list will instead be continuous prose describing each of the aliens, perhaps separated by season. What you see now isn't halfway done yet. As for the Omnitrix as a device, that bit could be shortened and sweetened, then transferred to Ben 10.  You Can ' t Review Me!!! 22:41, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, it's a merge. To me, the "Abilities and Altar Egos" section works better with a table. We may end up with another super long article and end back up in Afd territory. Pacific Coast Highway {talk • contribs} 01:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

how about splitting the article into "list of origanal aliens in ben10" "list of extra/added/new aliens in ben10" "omnitrix" but its just a sugestion and i do think we SHOULD transfer it all to the ben10 wiki to help it in its growth and incase anything we want to keep gets lost in the editing81.108.233.59 06:03, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

i have copied the article to a word document so you can start editing this article and if anyone wants the article on ben10 planet just say and ill post it when i can81.108.233.59 06:15, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Ironically, I made a backup copy the same way. You know, just in case it did get deleted. The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 16:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree that the page has gotten too long, but also that the data deserves to be included in Wikipedia. So I vote for the Omnitrix device to be covered in the main Ben page, and the aliens be given their own page (not in "Characters of Ben 10" as they are not characters by themselves. And it would only make the characters page too long.) Eliminating all these pictures (replacing them with a group shot, or with a link to a Ben 10 Website) would also help shorten it. -Wilfredo Martinez 17:16, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I kind of "borrowed" You Can't See Me!'s idea and am currently working on a way to merge the description and design sections into Ben 10. The main problem is condensing it without taking out any vital info. It's a long way from completion, but you can take a look if you want. On an almost completely unrelated note, I found something in this article that might not be too accurate: "When damaged or under the influence of a virus, it can malfunction, causing strange mutations in the various alien forms." I don't think this is the best wording. After all, the "virus" didn't make the Omnitrix malfunction. It was just passed on to Ben's aliens, and they reacted somewhat differently than we humans do. Just felt like pointing this out. The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 02:44, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

New alien: Eye Guy
There is a new alien on the Omnitrix, it can be viewed on the Cartoon Network website(http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/ben10/index.html), click on characters and scroll down. Rhonin the wizard 22:21, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That is interesting...however...why aren't Benmummy, Benvictor, and Benwolf on that list? -Sukecchi 22:24, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Ditto is also absent. And there are descriptions of future episodes. Rhonin the wizard 22:38, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * At least we know who the mystery silhouette is now.  You Can ' t Review Me!!! 23:14, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I was wondering about the benaliens too, but I guess I forgot about Ditto. Oh well. The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 00:01, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * BTW, I don't think we have any proof that Eye Guy is the new alien (besides the mystery silhouette, which I haven't seen since the movie aired), only that he is a new alien. His debut could be scheduled for later in the fourth season (although this brings up Ditto). Does anyone have any proof that Eye Guy is the "alternate alien". If not, maybe we should leave that part out until tomorrow. The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 00:04, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes we do. Eye Guy's form matches up perfectly with the unknown silhouette at the beginning of the movie.MegaWhatt 01:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * That doesn't necessarily mean he is the new alien. It only implies that he is. For example, they could have aired the movie before season four began and used Ditto's silhouette instead. It doesn't mean he will appear in the movie. Now, don't get me wrong. I think Eye Guy is the new alien too. It's just that I've seen someone bring up WP:CRYSTAL recently, and saying that Eye Guy is the new alien violates this unless we have some solid proof. Then again, the alternate version will air in about 16 hours (in my time zone, anyways), so it won't really matter by this time tomorrow. The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 01:18, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Can anyone give Eye guy a picture on wikipedia. 82.17.141.54 10:21, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * With the whole Fair-Use movement going on, I'm not so sure adding a twentieth nonfree image to the page is a good idea.  You Can ' t Review Me!!! 17:01, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Just a confirmation. Eye Guy IS the "Alternate Alien" shown. He takes the place of Heatblast in the opening. While different action sequences are used (obviously), he uses the same exact lines that Heatblast used, except for an "eye" pun or two. Javo 718 19:00, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I know, I saw. I was just saying that we probably shouldn't have said he was until we had proof. But it doesn't really matter now that the new version has aired. The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 19:49, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, all the other silhouettes that were shown in the beginning made an appearance in at least one version of the movie; Heatblast, Cannonbolt, Wildmutt, the list goes on.MegaWhatt 22:38, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Is fair-use a problem for the images in this article? Is there anything wrong with the fair-use rationales? If so, then perhaps a solution would be to use the omnitrix silhouette images rather than the direct images of each form. I suspect that fair use might be slightly easier that way. -- Lilwik 01:24, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Why would that help? They're still TV screenshots either way, and it would be LESS informative to the article. --DarkfireTaimatsu 02:36, 2 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure it would help, but the silhouettes could be said to be illustrations of the omnitrix. I agree that it would be less informative, but it would be more directly relevant. It would slightly deteriorate the quality of the article, but it's better than having no illustrations of the forms at all if it comes to that. -- Lilwik 02:12, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * If we can;t have the forms, the silhouettes are out of the question. Less informative diminishes their fair use potential. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:15, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * You are right that being less informative can diminish fair use potential, but in this case it would be less informative on one subject while being more informative on another. It would be less informative on the interesting subject of the aliens that Ben can transform into, but it would be more informative on the subject of the omnitrix as a device. -- Lilwik 02:49, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * No, it wouldn't. It would be a redundant collection of silhouettes on the same background over and over. It would be in no way informative beyond a single picture. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:56, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure I see how it would be redundant. I'm not suggesting that any one silhouette should be repeated. If you mean that it would be redundant with the existing images then I'll point out that I'm suggesting replacing the existing images with silhouettes if the fair use of the existing images becomes a problem. If you don't like the green background that the omnitrix provides, we could just as well replace it with a white background or a transparent background. What is the single picture that you say replaces all the silhouettes? -- Lilwik 03:25, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * You're missing the point entirely. A silhouette is less illustrative of an alien than the actual alien. You get only a vague idea of what it looks like, if any. Removing one and replacing it with the other would be downright moronic. Now, were they to be removed per policy concerns, switching to silhouettes would not alleviate the concern. It would in fact be worse, because they illustrate less, despite your opinion that a black on green symbol would somehow be illustrating the device. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 03:33, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm certainly not in favor of removing the current images unless it is required for copyright reasons, but I think the illustrative value of the silhouettes is quite clear. The silhouettes are not mere visual effects for the show; they are images that actually appear on the face of the omnitrix as it is rotated and so they are built into the device and are a part of its operation. Ben uses the silhouettes to know which form he is requesting when he pushes the face down. You are talking as if the silhouettes are nothing more than inferior images of the forms. -- Lilwik 03:44, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Because they are. The silhouettes are no more illustrative of the device than the button on my blender marked "On". They will not magically become more acceptable than actual pictures, no matter how you attempt to rationalize it. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 03:47, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Another way to look at it is that the silhouettes are not frames from the show; they are fractions of frames, or even perhaps vector images translated from the view of the silhouettes that are given in the show. Being a small portion of a nonfree work improves fair use. The silhouettes have much less commercial value than frames from the show; I doubt you would ever see one of the silhouettes as a poster. You'd probably say that is because they have no value at all, but I still think they are better than nothing. -- Lilwik 04:04, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Wrong. A frame is a frame, regardless of its content, and part of something nonfree is still something nonfree. Furthermore, as I have repeatedly stated, they illustrate practically nothing, and therefore fail fair use in the first place. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:08, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * If I would take screenshots of them from the DVD would that solve the problem? Rhonin the wizard 07:26, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * No, it's the same thing. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:28, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * (Reseting indentation) Now, I'm fairly new here and don't completely know all the rules like fair-use and stuff, but I think both sides of the argument have some good points. On the one hand, the silhouettes are far worse than images of the actual aliens, which kind of defeats the purpose of having images in the first place. On the other hand, the silhouettes are better than nothing, since it at least gives people a vague idea of what the alien looks like rather than none at all. That being said, we shouldn't worry too much about it unless we're forced to remove the current pictures. Now can we please get back on track? This section is supposed to be about Eye Guy. If this conversation continues, maybe a new, more appropriate section should be made. The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 16:47, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

If picture numbers is the problem keeping you from putting up an Eye Guy pic, why not rid of Ghostfreak's "Natural Form" pic? (It's up on the villains page anyway) Bluecatcinema 09:24, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * As far as fair use, I believe that most television companies (Cartoons at least) allow you to use images from their shows. They don't give you a license to do it, but appreciate fans and are not so bothered by use of images. For example, www.ben-10.net not only uses extensive images but allows for episodes for download. Maybe thats a little excessive but do you understand my point.  :K i rby1 4 5:  03:04, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * They generally don't allow you to use their images. They just typically do not care enough to enforce their ownership when the images are not used for profit. Legally speaking, though, Wikipedia can be legally penalized if companies suddenly start caring, which is why the images are used minimally. Also note that ben-120.net is an out-of-Wikipedia example of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS; some groups doing the same thing for other shows (School Rumble comes to mind) have indeed been legaly penalized for allowing episode downloads and image distribution. Please see this message by Jimbo himself, from which a lot of Wikipedia's Fair Use policy stems. It does address the concept of "They allowed us to use the images."  You Can '  t See Me!  03:20, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Natural Ectoneurite, not the sunlight shielded version
Is there ANY proof that Ben's version of Ghostfreak has lost the second layer of skin? The Omnitrix adds enhancements to the aliens on it. For example: Benmummy and Benwolf. The originals seem to be unable to speak. Yet the Omnitrix versions can speak. So I think Ghostfreak's second layer of skin is still there. I think the statement about it being a natural Ectoneurite should be removed, until Ben uses Ghostfreak again (if that ever happens, although I'm sure he will.) Once he uses the form again, the proper information can be used. But until then it should be removed.--Ridley76 16:12, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The silhouette shows it. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 16:14, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Irony is a lovely mistress.KrytenKoro 15:49, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Eye Guy
Is the Secret of the Omnitrix alternate version alien 'Eye Guy' an official alien, or just some guy fooling around on the page? If he is official, could someone post a pic? Stryker198 15:03, 5 September 2007 (UTC) Stryker198
 * Yeah, Eye Guy's real. We're already talking about him down at the bottom of the page. But if you don't believe me, check out Cartoon Network. The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 15:50, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Omnitrix merge targets
Per the AfD this article must be merged elsewhere. My suggestion for merge targets are: Thoughts? --Phirazo 02:51, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Shorten "Description" and move to Ben 10 under Omnitrix
 * Shorten "Design" and move to Ben 10 under Omnitrix
 * Add the alien descriptions to List of characters in Ben 10 in a shorter form.
 * Finally, redirect Omnitrix to Ben 10.


 * That seems good to me. I clipped the main ten already, and the information on the thing itself will fall together easily enough. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:57, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, I'm already working on a merge into Ben 10. I'm just not done yet. As for the aliens, I don't think that List of characters in Ben 10 is the best place for them. In fact, the aliens could probably stand alone as their own article. I don't think that's going to be the case, though, as You Can't See Me! is working on a Ben Tennyson article with his alien alter-egos listed there. It seems this "battle plan" is working so far, but it might not be a bad idea to brainstorm some alternatives just in case. The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 03:00, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * My sandbox'd article isn't going too well, actually. I'll need someone more ruthless at cutting cruft than I am if it's going to get anywhere. Otherwise, List of Characters in Ben 10 would be the best place for the aliens, though I think the combined size would require the recreation of List of secondary characters in Ben 10.  You Can ' t Review Me!!! 03:08, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * (Edit conflict with User:You Can't See Me!) I was mainly going off the close from the AfD, but a separate Ben Tennyson article might be a good target for shortened alien descriptions as well, as he is the one changing into these aliens. Also, User:HungryPaperweight you aren't supposed to have non-free media in user space.  You should put the image of the Omnitrix in nowiki tags so a bot doesn't come along and remove it. (like so:  [[Image:Omnitrix image.jpg|right|thumb|The Omnitrix before attaching to Ben.]]  )  Or you could just replace it with a placeholder image. --Phirazo 03:18, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry. I'm fairly new here, so I didn't know I was violating anything. Thanks for telling me, though (even though I'm not entirely sure what all you said). I've removed the picture, but I intend to return it during the merge. If that's also a problem (hopefully for entirely different reasons), please tell me soon. One question, though. What makes it non-free? The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 03:47, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Take a look at the page for the image and that should explain why it is non-free and why it is acceptable to use it in an omnitrix article. I recommend using a link to the image page in place of the image. That will make it easy to bring back the image later, since it only requires removing a ':'. All the alien images are also non-free. -- Lilwik 04:32, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Non-free media is any media that is not licensed under a free license. Ben 10 is copyrighted (probably by Cartoon Network Studios), so screenshots from that show are also copyrighted.  The actual policy that says non-free images are banned outside of the mainspace is at WP:NFCC. --Phirazo 17:03, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree that the aliens do not belong in the character list. That list is already long enough and the aliens are not proper characters. I think the omnitrix information should be merged into the Ben 10 article and the Ben Tennyson information from the character list should be moved into a Ben Tennyson article with as much of the alien information as we can get away with. -- Lilwik 03:23, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but you can't get away with too much *wink*. I'll agree as well that the alien information is best suited with Ben on his own article; it's probably right for him to have his own now, and once that live action movie comes out, you can incorporate info about the actor that plays him (and probably find more sources) that will make the article more reliable.Ravenmasterq 04:12, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Surely if all the alliens in the Omnitrix artical were moved the the List of Characters one, we would have the same problems as the Omnitrix one, that it is too large and needs to be trimmed down. I say that the Omnitrix artical is fine the way it is and doesn't need to be deleated or merged. Possibly split up into two serperate articals, but the alliens need to have their own artical in the form of the Omnitrix one.Wild ste 10:28, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Merging into List of Characters was not the consensus of that Afd. Someone ought to fix that tag. The result was keep some/split some/merge some into List of characters in Ben 10 and other articles if appropriate. Notice especially that this article doesn't have to be entirely merged into other articles. -- Lilwik 20:14, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Regarding the status of the aliens' images (and Ben 10 images in general) please discuss the issue of their fair use at Talk:Ben 10 —Preceding unsigned comment added by You Can't See Me! (talk • contribs) 04:51, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Side note:

--Youh2 15:51, 6 September 2007 (UTC)I want to omintrix article stay.Sometimes I watching new aliens in that article.

Well, I'm almost done with my merger draft. I tried to cut it down to the most important info, but it still seems too long to me. Please take a look and tell me what I should keep/take out/change. The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 23:32, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I think that's a good draft, Hungry, but perhaps you should remove the speculation "suggesting more to the feature than a simple touch." Otherwise, perhaps a bit too long (but someone familiar with the topic should cull more before I take out something essential), but it'll look good on the Ben 10 page.  Is anyone working on a Ben article that incorporates the alien forms?  Is there input/help needed?  /volunteering.Ravenmasterq 23:51, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, I've already said that it seems too long. That's probably the biggest problem (no pun in-10-ded). But thanks for the feedback. The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 02:16, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Haha, I guess I totally missed that. Chalk it up to lack of sleep, and I'll move on to a new mistake.Ravenmasterq 04:57, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

So, how's it going?
Checking in on the status of merging and trimming up this information. My offer to help still stands, but so far, I haven't seen much progress. COuld someone point me to it?Ravenmasterq 20:04, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I've pretty much done all I can with regards to preparing for the merge into Ben 10. I don't think it's quite perfect, but I can't improve it anymore without any feedback. Also, I took out the references because they were getting in my way while editing, so I have to return them sooner or later. Aside from that, I'm pretty much ready. I was hoping to wait until the aliens found a new home, but I can merge it in just as soon as I get the signal. The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 22:05, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It's not going too well on my portion; If you feel that you are more ruthless than I am, feel free to cut as much as necessary from that userspace, and I'll keep an eye on it and play around with it after each edit.  You Can ' t Review Me!!! 22:25, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Blow the damn thing up already! Seriously, it looks fine, Paperweight. Just don't forget the references. Pacific Coast Highway {talk • contribs} 22:56, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I've cut off a limb or two, but it's still standing. Still, splitting should be a bit less of a chore now. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 23:23, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I guess that we should move the omnitrix image from this article to the omnitrix section of the Ben 10 article. This article isn't really about the omnitrix anymore. -- Lilwik 00:28, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, PCH, it looks like Someguy beat me to it while I was offline. In fact, it looks better than what I had, but I'll still keep my version in case I decide to add anything later. The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 02:11, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * We should probably also cut out the image of Way Big if he only appears in the movie. That form isn't really important to Ben 10 in general and it is very bad to use a nonfree image to spoil a movie. -- Lilwik 02:31, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Done.  You Can ' t Review Me!!! 05:26, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Umm... Ooops. Would have been nice if I'd checked this page before moving everything. Gimmie a minute. Alanuk245 19:40, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, looks like Cluebot did half the reversion for me. Sorry, I'll leave well enough alone in future. Alanuk245 19:46, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't need deletion it need...
Keep Or Else Your Super Stupid: This article doesn't need to be deleted. the only problem with this article is that it is written as if these planets and aliens species are real. Thought it is just fiction. This article just needs to be written so that readers know it's about a tv show. Furthermore those aliens need thier pictures back. Plus someone deleted spitter and arcticguana.--Jamesryanjcrjcr 07:55, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * First of all, Spitter and Articguana aren't gone. They're right here. As for the images, we only took out one-time appearances. We have a discussion going on about that here. On top of all that, the deletion discussion is already over. The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 17:05, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Also, be civil on talk pages. There's no need to accuse anyone of being "super stupid" because of a particular view.  You Can ' t Review Me!!! 22:33, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The debate has been closed. Unless you are referring to that banner there about merging. Pacific Coast Highway {blab • stalk} 23:38, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Re-adding of removed images
It seems that many editors think they are improving this article by adding nonfree images that are not needed. In a way they are improving it, but only at the expense of our fair use of nonfree images. In order to combat this, I suggest that each time we remove an image for this reason we should replace it with a comment explaining why this alien does not need an image. That way any future editors will not be able to add an image in ignorance. -- Lilwik 01:41, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Trust me when I say that such a thing does not discourage that. People blank the comments and do it anyway. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:47, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't doubt that people would do that, but all that proves is that the comments do not prevent the images from being put back. Preventing is different from discouraging in that when we discourage something it will still happen but less frequently and only by those editors who are most determined. -- Lilwik 04:05, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Save for a few kilobytes, there's no harm in trying, I suppose.  You Can ' t Review Me!!! 04:12, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Plus, it means we don't have to give them the benefit of the doubt the first few times they do it.KrytenKoro 04:44, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Even if it doesn't work, it's worth a shot. Constant reversions are such a drag. The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 16:25, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Ripjaws
"As the sole form able to survive underwater for extended periods of time..."

Surely Upgrade, Benmummy, and Ghostfreak can all survive underwater, since they don't need air? 90.207.99.245 17:38, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * You're speculating. That's not fact. -Sukecchi 17:55, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


 * 90.207.99.245 isn't just speculating; he is also pointing out speculation in the article. -- Lilwik 20:59, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I've altered the statement slightly. It now reads, "As the form best equipped for underwater combat..."  You Can ' t Review Me!!! 21:13, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Indeed. And although I didn't know it at the time, I'd like to point out that Upgrade can survive underwater since he upgraded a submarine in...some episode or another. The one in the Bermuda Triangle. I'm fine with leaving it as it is, just thought it might be useful to point that out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.207.99.245 (talk) 17:58, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

that's because a submarine can survive underwater without that submarine(orany other tech for that mate he would electrocutes he is an enterkect machine,benmummy well he could still breath and he is made of a paper like substance I'm sure something bad would happen-jk  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.142.152.203 (talk) 08:25, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Ditto's return
I just saw a preview for "Ready to Rumble" and Ditto was in it, so it probably wouldn't hurt to return his picture. I just wanted to explain myself before doing anything. The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 20:36, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

It is a good piont, however it appered in the episode a it seemed like half the dittos took damage. Socky puppet 16:16, 30 September 2007 (UTC)socky puppet

Benmummy's return
Even though it was only really for a few seconds, Benmummy did appear in Ken 10. So should its picture be returned as well?Wild ste 12:23, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it was decided not to re-add any pics of aliens shown in Ken 10, as it was a "future" story and therefore non-canon. --DarkfireTaimatsu 19:32, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Not so much "non-canon" (cause it is canon) as it is "not important". The ones that have pictures have actually had worthwhile roles in more than one episode. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 19:38, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Don't be a freak about ghostfreak
(Just so you know this) Shocking News Ben 10 still had ghost freak show here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hBsWT_NwfA&mode=related&search=EEnE%20ben10 The reason I'm doing this is you you people would stop saying: "when ghostfreak revolted against ben he left the omnitrix" or "Ghostfreak is different now" or some other stuff in the video it shows ben with ghostfreak's original form later on he gets "ghostfreak 2.0" this video shows ghostfreak's Icon so maybe he has both ghostfreaks?

your call

(Quick note: This is not spam)Youknowme(youdon&#39;tknowme) 02:36, 13 October 2007 (UTC)


 * First of all, saying that Ben has both Ghostfreaks is pure speculation. I mean, he hasn't used either one since "Ghostfreaked Out". Secondly, that could have been a mess-up on the animators' part, or maybe they're trying to mess with us. Long story short, don't bring this up again unless we actually see the old Ghostfreak return (and I don't mean another silhouette, either).
 * P.S. Work on your grammar ;) The world&#39;s hungriest paperweight 03:03, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I freaked out when I saw this video and we could at least note this video and if the old Ghostfreak returns... well we'll improvise (P.S. I only did this so people would stop saying Ben lost Ghostfreak when he left, and that whole "there are two Ghostfreaks" was just a theory)Youknowme(youdon&#39;tknowme) 18:38, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

VANDALISM!!!!!!!!!!!
ALL OF THE PICTURES ON THE PAGE ARE GONE!!! WHO DID THIS VANDALISM!!!! NOW PEOPLE WHO ARE NEW TO BEN 10 WON'T KNOW WHAT THE OMNITRIX LOOKS LIKE OR THAT THE ALIENS LOOK THE WAY THEY DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 * Calm down. It's something about fair use, so we don't get sued. If they're that hard up for it, there's always Google Image Search. Pacific Coast Highway {talk • contribs} 00:41, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Where was it decided that this article doesn't have fair use for even one alien image? -- Lilwik 00:55, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Users who remove mass amounts of frivolous nonfree images from lists (such as the retired User:Durin, and User:Betacommand, who cleared this page) get a lot of crap for it. As a result, they don't strive for a compromise, their reasons being that they are supported wholely by Foundation policy and that there's nothing to argue about. In some ways, they're right, but I just wish they'd be more willing to discuss.
 * In any case, I attemtped to host a "remove images" discussion at Talk:Ben 10, if anything there helps at all.  You Can '  t See Me!  02:20, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I would like to say that while it may be supported by policy, being a dick about it does not help anyone's cause, or put the posistion in a positive light. Pacific Coast Highway {talk • contribs} 20:57, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah I agree. I don't think the pictures should be removed. Oh and can you picture of Eye Guy up. The new commers don't know what he looks like. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.97.140 (talk) 22:43, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

future aliens and split
how do we know that ben 10000's megawhatt is called buzz shock and why didnt we know it before and also it might be good to split this article into and 81.108.233.59 14:54, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The credits list it, but not a Megawhatt. Additionally, Ben lists the name as one of Ken's aliens, and he turns into a Megawhatt during the course of the show. Putting 2 and 2 together, Megawhatt = Buzzshock. We didn't know before because it wasn't named before. Simple as that. --DarkfireTaimatsu 20:01, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Be careful! We're not allowed to put 2 and 2 together. There are rules about original research that say we are only allowed to say what sources tell us and we are not supposed to figure things out ourselves, not even really simple things. This is designed to help ensure that we never include any false information. I bet Buzzshock is the name of that alien, but if its not explicitly stated then we can't be absolutely sure, and if we aren't absolutely sure then it shouldn't be in this article. -- Lilwik 22:48, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


 * We are being careful, but when you conisder the names of the other alliens Ben mentioned as part of Ken's Omnitrix (Snakepitt, Sandbox, Shellhead and Toepick), Buzzshock is the deffinate most likely name for the Megawatt alien. So I'd say that it is pretty safe to name it that in this artical. Wild_ste 14:39, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It's still there. I'm getting rid of it, because it's still speculation. And besides, I honestly think there's a better chance of it being called Ωmegawhatt above anything else. Mack-the-random (talk) 20:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, Darkfire, I give. Now, Ben 10,000's Megawhatt's name is Buzzshock in my eyes. Mack-the-random (talk) 19:49, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Fused aliens
29Th October 2007

You should make a page on the new aliens that have appeard all in one episode. They are quiet weak in reality and disappeard after the episode. There are only 3: Stinkarms, Diamond matter and Heatjaws. Of course stinkarms is a fusion of stinkfly and fourarms. The next being Diamondhead and greymatter and finally ripjaws and heatblast. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.212.43.40 (talk) 23:10, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Already added them... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.102.148.210 (talk) 17:25, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Talk Archives
What happened to the talk archives for this page? --DarkfireTaimatsu 07:26, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Corrected. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:30, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Fused aliens
I just added the Fused aliens from Dr. Animo and the Mutant Ray. Hope you guys don't mind. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.102.148.210 (talk) 17:04, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Textual weirdness
Found at the bottom of the page: Omega,Spare-O,Black Dragon Is that supposed to mean anything? Lots42 (talk) 06:59, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * No, not really. At most, it means someone was bored and decided to add nonsense to the page. --DarkfireTaimatsu (talk) 08:10, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Recent reverts
Fine, I'll accept that some of these are trivial - however, the basic principal is the same. There should be some mention of Gwen getting the Omnitrix on this page, and Kenny using Grey Matter to unlock the Omnitrix seems relevant as well. Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 09:25, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * That seems more appropriate for the section in the main page or as another paragraph in the lead describing who wears it. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 09:42, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Fused Aliens Again
Everyone please stop adding the fused aliens to the article they are not notable, also do not add the 'G.I ben' alien without a source, I think we may need to semi protect the article if this continues.--Lerdthenerd (talk) 09:34, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The "G.I. Ben" is non-official. It comes from a fan video that can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKfNKwQz-k4 That's the source. You can easily see now why it should be kept out of the article, yeah? --DarkfireTaimatsu (talk) 10:10, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * yeah I thought it was speculation too, that proves it as a fan made alien so it doesn't belong here, I'll make sure they don't add it again.--Lerdthenerd (talk) 15:18, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Benwolf
Benwolf's name was confirmed unlike Benmummy or Benviktor right? In "Benwolf", when Ben was in the process of becoming Benwolf, he calls himself Benwolf a couple times?--Yenaldooshi (talk) 23:49, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Bandai DNA Fused Aliens
Should we make a small note on Bandai having a DNA Fusion section? I think it could show people what fused aliens would look like besides Stinkarms, Diamondmatter, and Heatjaws. You enter in secret codes, for example: Taki-Diamondhead Nori-Fourarms. You type in Taki and Nori, then, wait a few seconds, and it will have a picture of the aliens fused together. Go to Bandai.com and go to the Ben 10 section and enter those codes (Taki and Nori) in if you don't understand what I'm saying.--Yenaldooshi (talk) 23:56, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm all for that. The page should hav this:

===The 1st 10=== Fourarms, etc. ===Secret=== Cannonbolt,etc. ===DNA=== Benwolf,etc. ===Alien Force=== Spidermonkey,etc. ===Future=== Spitter,etc. ===Unknown=== Eyeguy,etc. ===Unseen=== Toepick,etc. ===Gwen 10=== Gwenarms,etc. ===Max 10=== Maxgrade,etc. ===Fusions=== Heatjaws,etc.

SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 17:44, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not a good idea to put something like a list such as that on a talk page. Also, Max and Gwen do not need to be mentioned on here. -Sukecchi (talk) 20:33, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Removed the wikicode from it without wronging the display.  Rau  J16  20:56, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Here, I got the link. Go here:http://www.bandai.com/ben10/. Then, go to "DNA Lab" and type in TAKI in the first box. Then YPET in the second box. It's a fusion of Diamondhead/Benwolf. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yenaldooshi (talk • contribs) 22:40, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * FORUM. Stop that. This is a list of Omnitrix aliens, and unless he can access them whenever, and they were not one-shots; or there is proof they were added; they do no belong.  Rau  J16  04:08, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I was just suggesting that we can tell the people that they can see what the fusions would look like. Nevermind that idea sorry about that.--Yenaldooshi (talk) 18:48, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Telling them what they "would" look like is un-encyclopedic.  Rau  J16  20:58, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Ben 10 Alien Force aliens
I have some names of the new Ben 10 Alien force aliens. Would you like for them to be mentioned? And while I'm at it, some of the toys have facts about the planets that each of the aliens come from. Would you like that source of information as well? Thank you. Neo Guyver (talk) 16:08, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Not yet. Wait for the series to actually air on TV... -Sukecchi (talk) 16:24, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah...i already got the lecture above...I personally think that the 10 new guys should be added.SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 04:26, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * If/when they appear named on cartoon network's website, or another reliable source (NOT a fan-site), then they could go in, if this happens before the show airs. Remember, the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. See Wikipedia:Verifiability Ged UK (talk) 10:16, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I found the website, it's ben10.com. It will redirect you to the Alien Force website.--Yenaldooshi (talk) 20:53, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, and it's in the main article. But it doesn't name the aliens on there, so it isn't relevant for this one Ged UK (talk) 21:03, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

What about Ben10-toys.net? they have images too and the names.--Yenaldooshi (talk) 20:59, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm just not sure it's reliable. I'm pretty sure the info is right, but again, Wikipedia is about what is verifiable. This is an encyclopaedia, not a news source. Ged UK (talk) 21:14, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

So, we're going to wait until the series comes out and shows the aliens?--Yenaldooshi (talk) 21:36, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily, just needs to come from a reliable source, like the ben10.com/cartoon network source you found. Or when the toys actually are available to buy i guess. Ged UK (talk) 21:44, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, hopefully with the AF sneak peek we're getting, we'll FINALLY beable to add them! I don't see how the toys aren't reliable enough...SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 18:49, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

New Eon Alien!
Eon added his DNA to the omnitrix and forcibly transformed ben into it OMG! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.176.158.88 (talk) 02:54, 22 November 2007 (UTC)


 * i dont think he should count, he was in the movie, which had numerous contradictions to the show  Rau   J16  04:15, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That's kinda unimportant. This is an encyclopedia not a fan-blog. Wiki doesn't care about internal inconsistencies, it cares about authenticity. Was there a movie with Eon? yes. Did the Omnitrix have Eon's DNA in it? yes. Did Ben get turned into Eon's race? yes. That's what Wiki cares about. This stupid "canon" crap is ridiculous fan-wank.--Marhawkman (talk) 04:20, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

When Ben 10 turns into Eon he is called BENEON!

Ben + Eon = Beneon Ben + Mummy = Benmummy Ben + Vicktor = Benvicktor Ben + Wolf = Benwolf

That rule MUST apply when Omnitrix absorbs DNA!


 * Considering he names them all as he gets them, i dont think there are any rules to the names except to wait until the name is said on screen to add it. Seeing as Eon will hopefully never appear in the show, he will not be graced with a name, and be left with his stupid normal name.  Rau  J16  19:44, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes. We all know (if we watched the movie) that Eon transformed Ben, but please make your point. Remember, this is a talk page. Not a Ben 10 fan forum. Also, no offence, but I don't think Ben would name the Eon form "Beneon". I mean, sure there's Benwolf, Benmummy, Benvictor, but "Beneon"? That sounds weird because it's two names mixed together. What if Kevin 11's DNA got absorbed into the Omnitrix? What's he going to call the form? Benkevin? Ben 11? I think it would be better to just call hime Eon. He has never named Eon too. Don't forget was just in one movie, not the T.V. show, so there's no chance of Ben naming Eon unless if they make another movie or he obtains Eon on the cartoon show. I understand how you are a big fan of Eon, Unless if it's on the Cartoonnetwork website or it's confirmed, do not add it. Please do not post your Ben 10 fantasies here unless if you have proof.--Yenaldooshi (talk) 22:10, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't think Ben can absorb Kevin's DNA because they're both humans. The only thing that might happen is Ben gets original GF back. Hopefully. I made this argument on TV.com and I'll do it again. Eyeguy3 (talk) 16:31, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, neither do I but that was the only example I could think of besides using Vilgax. I like the old Ghostfreak back too. The new one is way too creepy for little kids. I don't like Ghostfreak as much, but the original one seems less creepy even though the transformation scene is a little creepy.--Yenaldooshi (talk) 22:36, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Ken 10
I'm considering removing the Ken 10 aliens from the article as Ken 10 is not canon. I'm not sure if this will get reverted, but I already removed them from the count of Ben's aliens (31 instead of 36) and I want to get your support first. Eyeguy3 (talk) 16:35, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * According to other editors, canon is irrelevant, Eon and the movie plumbers are there, that means Ken stays too.  Rau  J16  19:48, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Totally. Wiki isn't about trying to establish what is and isn't canon, it's about verifiable facts. The aliens are in that episode, it's self-evident. Whether or not they are canon doesn't matter, they are verifiable (unlike the alien force ones!) Ged UK (talk) 19:58, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I removed those when I did a rough clean up. I honestly do not understand how some editors do not get the concept of a source.  Rau  J16  20:15, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Alien Force Aliens
Should the confirmed aliens for Ben 10 Alien Force be put up here? They have been confirmed by Cartoon Network, so I don't see why not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.72.221.228 (talk) 01:41, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * What confirmation? We know about the confirmation of the show, but not official confirmation of the aliens, that I've seen, anyway. Ged UK (talk) 18:20, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * We don't know their powers, but we know a fair amount of their names: Swampflame, Spidermonkey, Chromastone, Echo, Humungousaur, Jetray, Goop, and Big Chill. There are two others, one of which we've seen. The Matyr (converse with the Matyr) 20:02, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Again, what is the source for these names? If it is Cartoon Network official, great, but so far I've only seen it on fansites, which isn't reliable enough. Ged UK (talk) 20:06, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

The fansite has pics of the BANDAI TOYS!!!!! HOW IS BANDAI UNRELIABLE??????? I WILL FIND A STORE SITE WITH PICS.!!!!!!!!!SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 22:24, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Photoshop, 2) Fansite != Bandai. Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 23:06, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

RELIABLE ENOUGH!?

http://www.atamaii.com/ben-10.html

Match up the shilouettes on the AF poster. Guess what, THEY MATCH!!!!!! A TOYFAIR IS PRETTY DANG RELIABLE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 23:44, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * ...I'm not seeing where their names are confirmed anywhere official. Where is this poster, anyway Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 00:12, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It's here, but there's no names on it Ged UK (talk) 07:34, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Why can't you guys accept te fact that you're wrong?SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 02:19, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Please try to be civil, and don't type in capitals it looks like you're shouting, find a reliable source not a fansite that has been edited in paint shop pro. Oh and by the way most of these aliens have appeared on deviantart already so they are probably fan art.--Lerdthenerd (talk) 14:37, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

And another point, Ultra ben doesn't wear black! His clothes and visor are blue!--Lerdthenerd (talk) 14:44, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

It's the UB from his S2 fantasy dream. Y'know, "The Galactic Enforcers". The site has their names. Fine, Wait till April 15th, You guys are gonna see that i'm correct. I've been through fights like this b4, and I'VE BEEN RIGHT EVERY TIME!SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 21:04, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

In the Ben10Toys.net photo gallery, I saw the Alien Force toys. They had a DNA Hero Humongosaur, alien collection of Spidermonkey, Swampfire, and the other aliens.--♥ Yenaldooshi ♥ Benwolf ♥ (talk) 02:50, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

We've all seen those...SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 21:40, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yuppers. But seriously, Ged, Agent Spectre herself has spoken with MoA, and confirmed the names. The Matyr (converse with the Matyr) 23:15, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * And posted/reported it where? If it's only a fan site, then it's not enough. Verifiability, not truth Ged UK (talk) 07:38, 9 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, on the sneak peek, I saw silhouettes of some of the aliens, it was on a Cartoonnetwork commercial.--♥ Yenaldooshi ♥ Benwolf ♥ (talk) 16:51, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That doesn't really give us their names though :p Ged UK (talk) 19:20, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Swampfire, Echo and Humongosaur have been confirmed by Cartton Netwrk; they're on their site. Can we put them here now?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.72.221.228 (talk) 20:25, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


 * He is right. Three of them have been released on a Ben Ten: Alien Force page. Rau's talk 21:30, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Indeed, and i've put them in. But there's only three as far as I can see. If someone plays the online game (it's too rubbish IMHO) and gets the codes for another two, then fine, but I think the codes ought to go in the cite. Ged UK (talk) 21:34, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

I found these: I think the codes tell more about the abilities for each alien?--♥ Yenaldooshi ♥ Benwolf ♥ (talk) 19:57, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * RUSH unlocks Jetray
 * SWING unlocks Spidermonkey
 * SHOCK unlocks Brainstorm
 * BLAST unlocks Chromastone
 * FREEZE unlocks Big Chill
 * MORPH unlocks Goop


 * What about number ten? That confirms the existence of nine of them, but number ten is still locked. Rau's talk 00:29, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Then we wait until it's released. Ged UK (talk) 09:12, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * All we know about the tenth one is that he's got muscles and a three-pronged crest on his forehead. From promo pics, it's the odd man out, so it must be the tenth. The Matyr (converse with the Matyr) 22:09, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I've removed the "descriptions" of the new 9 aliens from the article page. The Aliens' look and names are confirmed, but their "powers" have not been. What was listed on the article was someone's "guess" as to what their powers would be. Please don't revert, or people will be thinking the new 9 will have powers that they may not have. Jeremy8419 (talk) 20:26, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Once again, don't add information without sources. Jeremy8419 (talk) 20:17, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Group photo
Earlier, during the clean up, Wilfredo Martinez brought up that it would be efficient to add a group photo of the aliens, and link this page to a website showing the individual aliens. There are some group photos of the aliens out there, so I ask, is everyone okay with putting them up? Chaoshi (talk) 15:06, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, if you can find a good one, and can fill out the fair usage so that the BeatcommandBot doesn't eat it, then go for it, say I Ged UK (talk) 18:48, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I just hope no one yeals at me for it. Chaoshi (talk) 19:02, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It looks good at the top of the article, I hope Betacommand bot doesn't eat it.--Lerdthenerd (talk) 19:47, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me. I would suggest though that you reupload a smaller version, I think that might help the Bot leave it alone. Great filename though! Ged UK (talk) 19:56, 15 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree, however I would have chosen Bot food but that would be too tempting!--Lerdthenerd (talk) 20:03, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Links to Images
Someone is linking the AF aliens to images of the alien using wikilinks. Is that allowed? Rau's talk 19:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure tbh, I'm having a look now. Ged UK (talk) 19:27, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Homeworld
I think it would be noteworthy to add that Benmummy, Benwolf, and Benvictor's homeworlds lie somewhere near the Null Void. Also, that Upchuck has hard teeth. Does anyone have any problems with that? Chaoshi (talk) 15:52, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Do you have a source, and why is it noteworthy? Ged UK (talk) 17:51, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


 * When was Upchuck having hard teeth proven? I don't remember hearing about Upchuck with hard teeth or seeing it.--Yenaldooshi (talk) 21:27, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, didn't really think about the upchuck teeth, but obviously they're hard, all teeth are or they can't work. Or am i missing something more significant? Ged UK (talk) 21:31, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

It says so in their toy profiles Chaoshi (talk) 01:46, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Whats the source for those sources?
Is it TV, because saying "it aired" is not a reliable source. Rau's talk 18:40, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Is everyone just going to ignore this? Because if im right, then those sources and that information is currently unverified. Rau's talk 02:04, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No, they're not reliable. Better than nothing, but not by much. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 02:35, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
 * So they're basically placeholders? Isn't that kind of cheating? Rau's talk 02:38, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, more or less. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 02:45, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * They're commercials broadcast by the programme maker on their own channel, I'd have thought they're pretty reliable; it's not like we're talking about youtube clones or anything like that. Without having seen them, I've no idea whether the content matches the actual commercials, but their validity is fine for me. Once they actual start appearing in 'proper' episodes we can update the sources, and indeed the content if necessary. Or have i misunderstood the original question? --Ged UK (talk) 10:07, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty certain that commercials are questionable sources. However, that article states that they can be used in articles related directly to the topic or said questionable source. I think that means they are O.K. Rau's talk 19:40, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't see why it should be. It's not making a statement of opinion or attempting to present a fact in any particular way, it's just showing a clip. I can't see why an official commercial should be any less reliable than an actual episode. Ged UK (talk) 20:16, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * They are subject to change, but i am satisfied. As long as its the best there is. Rau's talk 23:54, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Protection
OK, I've requested, and been granted, temporary protection for this page from IP editing. We've got three weeks, which should be long enough for any new announcements on Alien Force to come out and for us to get them included with proper cites, rather than just a load of fan-wankery that we've all been struggling against for the last few days. Cheers :) Ged UK (talk) 18:14, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Good move, i was actually going to suggest it. Rau's talk 02:03, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Can we?
We now know of the AF aliens, can we get them on here?SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 00:48, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Is this knowledge properly sourced? If so, i don't see why not. Needs to be something from cartoon network or the producers though. Ged UK (talk) 07:45, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * if people want to add the new aliens please add a reliable source or the new aliens section will be deleted until a source is found. See WP:CITE, WP:VERIFY, WP:RELIABLE and WP:NOR--Lerdthenerd (talk) 18:08, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Agent Spectre got the info. She has connections with MOA (Creator of Ben 10.) Here's the link!

http://ben10toys.net/

Please add ALL the new aliens to the article. Thank you.SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 20:52, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I added them myself. If someone could please cite a source to each characters individual pic. I would greatly aprreciate it!SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 14:29, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok, who deleted the AF aliens section? They're 100% CONFIRMED by Agent Spectre who has connections with MOA. Her site has pics. of the new aliens. How is that not proof?SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 15:24, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * There is absolutely NOTHING to say about them right now. Wait until the series begins. I don't care if this person has "connections" or not. -Sukecchi (talk) 15:32, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

How is there NOTHING to say? We know what they look like, and that they'll be appearing in Alien Force. We also know a great deal of info on AF. We should get a seperate article for the AF series. We know the main plot, characters, etc. Unless we get a seperate page for the AF aliens, they need to be added here.SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 15:40, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You want to list them like the others. There is nothing to say in that format. Our option right now is for a paragraph like the Unseen forms section. Nothing more until it airs. -Sukecchi (talk) 15:43, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok, i'll deal with that. I was surprised that there was no section for them, so kept adding a section for them. I'll change it to just a paragraph about them in a few min. I hungry now...SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 15:48, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright, fine. Now, you also can't just plop a link in there and say this is the source. You have to cite it. -Sukecchi (talk) 15:49, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, i would've cited it, but, for some reason, whenever i do, i somehow screw stuff up...SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 15:50, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

The IP adresses are adding them again, they've also put them in the same format as the original aliens (with bold headings)!--Lerdthenerd (talk) 15:20, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I've deleted them again, there is no information on the website, find another source that tells us about the new aliens then you can add them to the article--Lerdthenerd (talk) 15:25, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

NO INFO.!? Then you're blind. Simple as that. It's there clear as daylight. You're just goig through denial.SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 17:39, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

they are not on there, the website is being moved to another server. Find another source. Also the website clearly says "The Premier Ben 10 Fansite for REAL Ben 10 Fans" its a fan site so it is not reliable!--Lerdthenerd (talk) 09:27, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

http://ben10toys.net/

Ok, dude, here's the home page, SCROLL DOWN A BIT...YOU'LL FIND THE AF ARTICLES!!!!!SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 04:24, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

But it is a fan site, the information is there but it cannot be verified because it is a fan site.--Lerdthenerd (talk) 20:30, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree with SLJCOAAATR 1. At Ben10Toys.net, they have a sneak preview of what the plot is. Also, after the episode Ben vs. Negative 10, it will have a sneak peek at the series. Ben10Toys.net has a large amount of information on Ben 10 and images on the new aliens. Agent Spectre would not put up those things if it were false. I have been to their forum and we've been discussing about it. Go to the Alien Force website on Cartoonnetwork. You see the black background with different shapes behind the green boy which is Ben? Those are the outlines of the new aliens. I've compared the shape to the pictures of the new aliens on Ben10Toys.net and the body type, shape matches up.--Yenaldooshi (talk) 22:45, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

THANK YOU! No one believes me. Spectre WOULD NOT lie. I used to have an account there. BUT, like most sites i use, I was wrongfully banned...SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 22:44, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Wait, aren't you Soul Maister, the guy who got bashed in the 'Female Aliens' thread for talking waaaay too much about bosoms? Anyway, the aliens are confirmed, not only by Cartoon Network through the codes, but also by Agent Spectre, who had revealed their appearances and names BEFORE Cartoon Network ever had. The Matyr (converse with the Matyr) 15:33, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


 * You're welcome SLJCOAATR 1.It's been proven, plus, I asked her in the forums before. Least this problems over with.--Yenaldooshi (talk) 21:51, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I am SOUL_MAISTER...I was banned for that...No warning....SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 23:48, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Images

 * Are we allowed to add any images of Omnitrix Aliens? Also, are we allowed to use images from Ben10toys.net for the alien forms or no?--Yenaldooshi (talk) 22:32, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Alien Force Alien Forms???
Underneath the Alien Force Alien Forms section, it talks about the alien's powers and other things. When was it proven, because I don't see the information stated any websites or the Alien Force offical website? Also, why is the an alien called, "Alien X"?--Yenaldooshi (talk) 22:09, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not trying to be mean or anything, I just don't remember seeing any information like that?--Yenaldooshi (talk) 22:11, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * There were commercials aired. They were cited originally, but the Penguin changed the cite to the web now instead.
 * The website calls him Alien X. Rau's talk 22:18, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * They are probably only calling him Alien X since he is a mystery to the general public, similar to how "X" is a common variable used in math equations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.3.193.95 (talk) 19:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, ok, I just wanted to make sure before I edit anything.--Yenaldooshi (talk) 22:19, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Alien X is probably Beneon, as shown in Race Against Time. Beneon was never shown in the animated series before the live-action movie! And after Race Against Time comes Alien Force. Beneon will probably look very strange if he's animated! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.11.192.169 (talk) 14:21, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Ben's Eon form is called Eon, not Beneon. And he's not getting a spot in the show, B10:RAT isn't canon, it's on an alternate timeline. We already know what Alien X looks like: He's a semi-muscley guy with a three-pronged crest on his forehead. He can float in midair, as seen here, after scrolling down a bit, so he's probably got gravitational powers. The Matyr (converse with the Matyr) 18:44, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Please remember this talk page is for discussing the article, not the show. Thanks. Ged UK (talk) 18:52, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I was discussing about the article.--Yenaldooshi (talk) 20:15, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, sorry I didn't mean you, I forgot to indent my reply. :) Ged UK (talk) 20:30, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, ok then.--Yenaldooshi (talk) 20:46, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Alien X must be Beneon, Eon, Eonben or Beon whatever Ben likes to call him. I don't know his name yet. His name can't be Eon because then people will be confused. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.11.44.175 (talk) 11:54, 28 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Eon will not appear in the show. We already know what X looks like, and its nothing what Eon looked like. The movie took place outside of continuity, the events in the movie had no bearing on the show whatsoever. A clear example of this are Ben's parents, who were drastically different in the movie. Rau's talk 16:47, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It's no use, I just now explained it to this IP, and he refuses to give up with his theory. Alien X is his name, not Eon. Ben's Eon form is Eon, and it's called Eon. Anyway, guys, remember to revert it if someone says that Alien X is Eon. The Matyr (converse with the Matyr) 16:53, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok, here it goes : ALIEN X IS NOT EON!!!.SO PLEASE DO NOT BELIEVE THAT UNLESS IF YOU REALLY WANT TO.. (I'm not yelling, I'm putting it capitalized, so people would probably read it. People, please go to Cartoonnetwork.com, find Ben 10: Alien Force in the TV show toolbar, wait for it to load and the click on see the characters (or something like that), click on Omnitrix Aliens, scroll around until you see an alien with no picture, click on it and you will see Alien X. It is WAY different than Eon and its called Eon NOT "Beneon" .--Yenaldooshi (talk) 19:49, 28 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm going to make a minor note that Alien X IS NOT Eon.--Yenaldooshi (talk) 19:51, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * And, might I add, Yenaldooshi, Alien X is NOT EON. The Matyr (converse with the Matyr) 20:26, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

I know he;s not Eon...???--Yenaldooshi (talk) 19:39, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I wish Beneon were canon! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.10.24.77 (talk) 14:33, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

This is not a talk page about your opinion. Please let you post relate to the article.--Yenaldooshi (talk) 20:29, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

diomandhead
Wikipedia needs to put that tektrack and diomandhead are the last of there specie's this was said in Ben 10 secrets of the omnitrix. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mater358 (talk • contribs) 19:38, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

It's Diamondhead check your spelling. What if there is more Petrosapiens other than them? I only remember saying that Petropia (I think thats what it's called. I'll check later.) was destroyed. Other Petrosapians could have survived the destruction.--Yenaldooshi (talk) 19:55, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * And it's Tetrax. Here, allow me to correct your English: "Wikipedia needs to put that Tetrax and Diamondhead are the last of their species. This was said in Ben 10: Secret of the Omnitrix." And no, it wasn't. It said Tetrax destroyed Petropia. Who's to say that the Petrosapiens didn't evacuate Petropia? The Matyr (converse with the Matyr) 20:53, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Who knows? Maybe others survived.--Yenaldooshi (talk) 20:20, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Who Rewrote?
Who rewrote this? It was much better and more organized before, in this revision. The Martyr (converse with the Martyr) 21:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't look bad to me. Chaoshi (talk) 04:40, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Running through the history would have shown you I did. Since there's two series now, I split it into the respective series. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 08:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, you could've at least kept the divider between the first 10 and the additional 10. The Martyr (converse with the Martyr) 20:19, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


 * No reason to have aliens on different levels just because they came later. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 20:25, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Offworld aliens
I saw some interesting info on Omnitrix aliens that travel off world on the user enhanced version of "Secrets of The Omnitrix". Should I post it? Chaoshi (talk) 03:29, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Images of omnitrix aliens
I think there should be more images for omnitrix aliens. For that, screenshots or people's own creations should be allowed.

You should make an image copyright tag specially for Ben 10, like.

--Viz naren (talk) 05:45, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * What do you mean by "creations"? Do you mean like people draw colored images of the aliens? I'm not sure if Wikipedia allows drawings made by other people though.--Yenaldooshi (talk) 20:02, 15 April 2008 (UTC)


 * No, they don't. Pacific Coast Highway {talk • contribs} 21:04, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

"Creations" mean aliens pictures made from any application such as Adobe Photoshop. --Viz naren (talk) 05:21, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The answer would still be no, since this is a copyrighted work. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 05:46, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Alien Force aliens?
Is there even a source for DBB's voicing of Echo Echo, Swampfire, and Humongousaur? The Martyr (converse with the Martyr) 17:26, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The credits are on the side. You can make some of them out. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 17:26, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

This is purely speculation, but I have a feeling that "Alien X" is the alien "Atomix" that Ken referred to in Ken 10. Thoughts? Mushdog (talk) 20:04, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


 * My thought is that it's speculation, and nothing to do with the article, and has no place here. Ged UK (talk) 20:06, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Ben 10,000 Species, Homeworlds
On Cartoon Network it was recently stated that Spitter is a Spheroid from planet Scalpasc, and Arcticguana is a Polar Manzardill from planet X'Nelli. Can this be put in the article?dodoman1 1 (talk) 17:35, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Of course! Add it in with a reference. Rau's Speak Page 21:49, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * There's a whole bunch of other crap two, like Stinkfly's stench being from a fluid that keeps his joint from becoming stiff or Ben 10000 enhancing his aliens with nanotech. I have to go through my DVR once this ends and read through it all. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 21:51, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * It had the Megawhatt homeworld as well, but I don't remember what it was... some Quasar that started with H? Someone who remembers add it.  dodoman1 (talk) 18:09, 13 April 2008 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.72.207.69 (talk)


 * I got the whole marathon recording. I'll go through it later. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 22:22, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Please do. Chaoshi (talk) 04:31, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I saw a bunch of enhanced episodes on "TW On Demand". I'll add the facts from them ASAP! Chaoshi (talk) 03:32, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Don't revert it!
Earlier today I did this to the AF guys

Swampfire
You get my point, right? Penguin reversed it. Here's my point. WHY? It's like saying that because theyre new, they're less deserving of sub-articles like the previous 20!

So, if you say, we should do it my way, or Penguins, say which, and why. Thank you.SLJCOAAATR_SOUL_Strike (talk) 03:00, 27 April 2008 (UTC) (Not trying to start a fight. No hard feelings?)

No.

 * Oppose. The sections you created had little information in them. Once we have a healthy amount of information, then the sections can be created. Rau's Speak Page 03:27, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Oppose. I agree, this will only encourage more original research and vandalism, leave it as Penguin's version--Lerdthenerd (talk) 14:31, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Agreed. Quality is very important.--Marhawkman (talk) 15:50, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Afriad I agree with everyone else. We can't spilt up the Alien Force aliens until we know a lot more about them then just their name and a one line description of their abilitys.Wild ste (talk) 21:58, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Alright
You guys have spoken. We'll leave it as is untill we know more about them.SLJCOAAATR_SOUL_Strike (talk) 20:17, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Quick Question
So, is it only the new aliens appearing in the new series, or all the old ones to? GEM036(I forgot to log in...) 72.208.196.87 (talk) 01:10, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It looks like only the new ones. But there is not a source(to my knowledge) that says one way or the other. Rau's Speak Page 03:04, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Of course most of the new aliens look like the old ones, just updated. Wild ste (talk) 19:40, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * But the powers are different. Rau's Speak Page 20:16, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Echo Echo= Benwolf/Ditto

Humongosaur=WayBig/Fourarms

Chromastone=Diamondhead

Swampfire=Heatblast/Wildvine

Goop=Benmummy, Stinkfly and Upgrade

(That scropion dude)=Greymatter

ETC.SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 22:48, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

What scorpian dude? You mean, Jetray? Oh, yeah, the older aliens probably might not appear in the new series because, it never mentions the old aliens any more, not even on the commercials or anything. I'm not sure though. What about the original aliens in Ben 10,000? Wait, he unlocked the alien forms right??? --Yenaldooshi (talk) 20:33, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * We need to wait for it to air. there are going to be LOTS of questions we simply can't answer until then.--Marhawkman (talk) 08:00, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Jetray isn't a scorpion!!! I'm talking about the smart scorpion dude, with a had that opens. I can't remember his name...But, the new aliens pretty much replace all the old ones. Hopefully, we'll see the old aliens from time, to time.SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 22:57, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * You mean Brainstorm, he is not a scorpion either he is a crab!!--Lerdthenerd (talk) 12:50, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * SLJ, Humongosaur can alter his height, but only to half Way Big's. Chromastone's powers are nothing like Diamondhead's, he shoots out light he absorbs like a prism. Wildvine can't control plants, he talks to them. Benmummy, Stinkfly, and Upgrade can't turn into other things. Brainstorm controls lightning with a single thought, not like Grey Matter, who could destroy the Earth in three and a half minutes. Wild ste, Soul Maister, just give up. The Martyr (converse with the Martyr) 22:33, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Upgrade CAN turn into other things! He turned into a motorbike in one episode!

What I mean is, they're not the same, but very similar, and have extra powers. They're stronger as well. I just wanted to point that out. They're quite similar. And Brainstorm seems to resemble a scorpion to me. I still see many similarites to the new aliens, and the old ones. EX.

Benmummy, and Goop can both stretch to great distances but, as an added detail, Goop can change his shape.

Ditto, Benwolf, and Echo Echo. Echo Echo can duplicate himself (Ditto), use sonic howl like abilities (Benwolf), and I heard he can control electricty (Buzzshock, Benvicktor, and Upgrade.)

So, the n00bs seem to be replacements. Do you understand where I'm coming from?SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 00:23, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes. Though until it's actually aired, I can't say whether I agree or not though. Ged UK (talk) 11:37, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Goop is like Upgrade. Upgrade can turn into stuff and stretch and both goop and upgrade aren't solid and they can both melt. Upgrade and Goop are EXTREMELY SIMILAR!!! Spidermonkey is like Fourarms and also can walk on walls and make webs like Stinkfly!
 * No, Upgrade didn't turn into a motorcycle, he enveloped a criminal's and took control of it in Side Effects. They aren't similar. Upgrade cannot transform, he influences technology!!! Spidermonkey has four arms, that's it. Stinkfly can't make webs or walk on walls. Upgrade does not control electricity, only electrical devices. Echo Echo cannot control electricity. He sends sonic screeches which disrupt the nervous system. He sends images of himself through echoes, not actual clones. Brainstorm shoots electricity from his brain with a single thought. He is intelligent, but not to the point of a Galvan. The Martyr (converse with the Martyr) 00:50, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

And Beneon (Alien X) is like Ghostfreak because he's freaky (not in a bad way) and like xlr8 because he's quite quick! I like him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.14.35.247 (talk) 12:45, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, EON IS NOT ALIEN X!!!!!!!! He never will be! RAT was non canon, so just give up on this rediculous "Alien X is Eon" theory! And we don't know if he's quick, or if he's freaky in however way you mean! Worst Reguards, The Martyr (converse with the Martyr) 17:27, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

...I turned Wiki into WW3...SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 18:34, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

That will suck if they get rid of all of his old Aliens, especially since WayBig and EyeGuy hardly got any air time... and the Mummy, Victor, and Wolf got even less I think. And then that also means Ghostfreak won't be able to get out through a loop-hole again... But since they're still making toys for the old ones, there's still hope. GEM036 (talk) 23:32, 12 April 2008 (UTC)


 * This discussion needs to end. It has nothing to do with the improvement of the article anymore. Conversations like this need to be in a forum. Rau's Speak Page 00:02, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

True. And also, Bandai stopped making Ben10 toys, they're preparing the Alien Force ones.SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 16:53, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * See, THAT is what should be on this talk page. Find a source for that, it is an interesting tidbit of information. Rau's Speak Page 18:26, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

There are bobbleheads of Goop, Big Chill and Swampfire, and I also saw a bobblehead of Heatblast along with them on ben10toys.net... the Omnitrix symbol in Ben 10 is white, and in Alien Force it is green. The Heatblast bobblehead had a green symbol. Draw your own conclusions. dodoman1 (talk) 18:09, 13 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.72.207.69 (talk)

That's because there's a new major character who's a Pyronite. All of Bens allies have a green omnitrix symbol...SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 20:49, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean by Ben's allies? You meant the Omnitrix Aliens right? I don't remember Tetrax or any of Ben's allies having the Omnitrix symbol.--Yenaldooshi (talk) 21:24, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

The green AF symbols seen on that ape dude, and the Pyronite in AF. It's said that his allies in AF will all have that badge.SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 01:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I should point out the page refers to swampfire as a combination of wildvine and heat blast from the original series, this is untrue even though he has powers similar to the original aliens he is not a dna combination he is his own alien after all ben 10k has thousands of aliens at his disposal some of them will have similar abilites user: jobywonkanobi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.92.32.116 (talk) 01:46, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Human Form?
there is speculation on several fancites that if an alien uses the omnitrix, he/she is able to transform into a human. if this is true, then shouldn't ben's human form be mentioned as a posiblity? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.126.207.194 (talk) 22:19, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * No, because it isn't a form, it's a natural state, and there's no evidence the Omnitrix has collected human DNA. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 22:22, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Besides, fansites, and ''SPECTULATION aren't allowed. We have NO proof of this. Thx anyway. Sry if i sounded rude... Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 21:31, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Can someone add images to this page.
I have almost every alien image, by I can't choose the correct copyright tag. Can someone suggest an appropriate tag for free images. --Viznaren (talk) 05:09, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * You don't have free images, they all belong to CN, even if it's a screen capture. Ged UK (talk) 15:02, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm...Still, ah...Nevermind...Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 17:30, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

There were images on here, but we took them all off because they made the artical take up too much space.Wild ste (talk) 18:50, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, they were removed for being non-free images. See the discussion here for why they were originally removed. --DarkfireTaimatsu (talk) 19:51, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Can't someone pay for them though? Or perhas, maybe REALLY good fanart? I for one believe that we should have images for each alien. (Get's beat-up.)Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 01:41, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

There's a Keven 11 image from the show on the List of villains in Ben 10 that survived getting eaten by a Bot. Might want to look into that. Chaoshi (talk) 20:52, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

I saw. I say we get images of Ben (10) (15), Gwen (10) (15), Kevin (11) (16) (11 Mutant), Vilgax, Ghostfreak, Animo, Charmcaster, Hex, and Enoch. As long as all 33 of Ben's aliens.Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 01:47, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thats not going to happen. One, you cannot constitute fair-use for that many images. Two, you do not need that many pictures. Also, he doesn't have thirty three aliens, he has had a total of thirty. Rau's Speak Page 02:14, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

So that's a "no" for the images? Chaoshi (talk) 18:22, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Umm... I say no. But I guess a second group photo of the additional aliens might make it. A few more editors should comment, three is never enough, it gets too biased. Rau's Speak Page 19:13, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

How about a pics. of the original 10, see if we can get the 10 secrets, the 10 AFs, Ben Gwen and Max in the original series, Ben Gwen and Kevin in AF, and a pic. of Kevin and Vilgax from the S2 finale? And MAYBE a pic. of the Negative 10?Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 23:45, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes
I say yes. (You don't have to state your reasonings. Just yes, or no.)Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 23:45, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree as wellChaoshi (talk) 18:49, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Alien Force Alien Homeworlds
Ben 10 Toys just released a list of homeworld and species names for a few Alien Force Aliens from the first four toys released by Bandai.

I'm putting up the info right now Chaoshi (talk) 13:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

The Transylian War
In the enhanced episode of "The Return", It's revealed that the Transylians once shared a planet with another viscous alien species called the Vladats. The two species fought each other in a race war until the Transylians wiped out the Vladats with energy stolen from captive Pyronites.

Should we include this? The last time I did, it was removed. Chaoshi (talk) 18:48, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Well...since there is no objection... Chaoshi (talk) 17:53, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I OBJECT!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.140.51.120 (talk) 01:41, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, If you have TW On Demand, look under Kids>Cartoon Network> Ben 10, you will see what I'm talking about. Do it quickly though, the episode is only there for a limited time. Chaoshi (talk) 02:18, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It's not terribly relevant. So they had a war, it's not a big deal. We haven't even seen the opposing species. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 02:36, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Let us not go to Transylian, tis a silly place. - The Famous Sticky Cheese

Sourcing Enhanced Episodes
How should we do it?Chaoshi (talk) 18:39, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Without ever having seen one (I don't think they've aired over here yet), I don't see why we don't just cite them using the normal title with (enhanced version) attached, or something like that. Ged UK (talk) 19:06, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't know how to do that fancy episode source tag though... Chaoshi (talk) 21:00, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Have a look at Template:Cite_episode. It's pretty self-explanatory. Anything you're not sure about leave blank, I'm sure there's plenty of other editors in here that can help :) Ged UK (talk) 21:18, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Phew, I'm done sourcing everything. If anyone sees anything I missed Or anything I mislabeled, change it please.

Anyway, should we take those tags that say how flawed are article is off now? Chaoshi (talk) 05:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * No. The sources you added are all primary sources, and notability still has not been establishe. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:49, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Plot tag
As I've said in the summaries, albeit shorter, the plot tag is unnecessary. This page isn't a blow by blow like the main Ben 10 page, which does need a trimming, it's basic description. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 02:24, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Its excessive plot. The plot should be balanced with real-world info, even in list pages. The whole page probably should be several cut down to only the major ones, then deleted or merged to List of characters in Ben 10 along with a lot of other needed work on all the Ben 10 articles.-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 02:28, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Of the entire list, maybe one or two you could justify deleting (Eon, Benwolf maybe). Unlike the characters themselves, this is what you might consider one big powers and abilities list. It'd be like not bothering to list Superman's freeze breath because it's his least used power (hell if I know that for a fact, it's just an example). There's toys, game appearances, crap like that could be added, but this is still perfectly within reason per SPINOFF. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 02:34, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Powers/abilities lists fail WP:FICT and almost always are deleted if taken to AfD. Powers should be mentioned in the specific character article(s) whose powers they are. All of this could be much more briefly stated in Ben's article. --  AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 05:51, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It also applies to characters outside of Ben, much like Superman's does. Furthermore, Ben doesn't have an article, he has a section. This would be longer than his section and probably the others, even with trimming. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 05:55, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Its still excessive. It would be more appropriate for a Ben 10 wiki/wikia. Here, a short summary of what they are, and mention as needed in the episode summaries (if there are any) is more than enough. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:17, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * For thirty some-odd aliens, I'd say this does summarizing that fairly well. Admittedly the planet/species info could be reduced to simple name and rank status (so and so of so), but that wouldn't eliminate the need for a page. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 07:02, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The question is, is there any need to list the aliens individually at all. Do they have any real-world notability? Are they more than just a plot device and a power used by characters in the series. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 07:22, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Real-world notability isn't the only consideration. They contribute significantly to the understanding of the topic. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 08:07, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * No, they don't. People unfamiliar with the series do not need a list of every last alien in the series, just an overview of the concept. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 13:22, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * People unfamiliar with the series won't understand otherwise. The powers are more or less set, so giving an overview won't give readers any perspective. They'll skim through the episode summaries wondering who half of the people named are. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 23:37, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Couldn't the entries just be trimmed down to two sentences each and merged if they're that important? From the standpoint of understanding the episode list, I can see why having quick descriptions wouldn't be too bad. But knowing every little detail about their appearances, home planets, general species, powers, weaknesses, and everything else seems a bit much. Just the name and basic power(s) should be all that is necessary. TTN (talk) 23:57, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * While I agree with trimming, I don't agree with your arbitrary numbers. There is no reason to omit useful details for the sake of stuffing the info into the tightest space possible. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 00:05, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm technically really not even talking about trimming. I'm just talking about dumping all of the cruft and going with the basics. Arbitrary or not, I doubt that'll leave much more than two or three sentences. Even if its more than that, if the two character lists are trimmed and purged of extremely minor characters and one shots, these can still probably fit fairly easily without" breaking" anything. Wasn't the outcome of the AfD to merge this to the list anyways? The name was changed and a little bit of content was moved, but it's still the same article. TTN (talk) 00:10, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It is still trimming, no matter what you want to call it. And it will still take more than two or three sentences regardless if readers are to have an idea of what each character is and does. The AfD was a while ago when this page had the entirety of the OMnitrix info on it, which was split out and reduced to a simple character list. Still an acceptable spinout. If the character lists are trimmed, it may just fit, but not as a useless two-line description. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 00:16, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Using "Diamondhead is a being composed of an extremely durable crystal that protects it from physical damage, though it it susceptible to sonic vibrations. He can alter his own physiology, allowing him to fashion weapons, fire projectile crystal shards, and even regrow lost limbs." as an example, how much more needs to be added to fully understand it? As someone unfamiliar with the series, that, along with the main image is seemingly decent enough to allow me to have a basic enough understanding of it. Add one or two more if necessary, and that'd still be fine. TTN (talk) 00:30, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Your minimalist approach forgoes several of the important details. It's unnecessary anyway, s there is no reason to cram it into the smallest space possible. A couple of paragraphs is much better than a single, run-on one. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 01:00, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * What exactly is missing? That was the point of the example. What details are important enough that they allow the reader to understand the alien and the series itself more thoroughly? The name of the species and planet could possibly be added, but everything else is just unnecessary to actually understand the creature, which is the point of the article. Anything more than that belongs on another wiki, Also, arbitrarily designating multiple paragraphs of information just to be overly detailed isn't really any more productive than my approach. TTN (talk) 01:15, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I didn't say it had to be a couple paragraphs, I said it's better to use two paragraphs than to chop away until you're left with a single paragraph missing a bunch of details. As the Alien Force ones demonstrate, when there's not much to be said it can be quite compact. That's not the case for the established ones. As for what you missed in your example, there's the crystal growing and reflecting lasers, for starters. As for other wikis, they're only good when they exist in some stable form. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 01:25, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm talking about important details to help understand the topic, not extra details that don't really add to anything. Those two can be shoved in there easily anyways. This isn't about having a paragraph for the sake of having a paragraph. It's just that the important details necessary to understand the topic are rather slim. The rest of the information is just overall cruft that only a fan would end up needing. TTN (talk) 13:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Where is Humongosaur?
Someone deleted Humongosaur and all his information. -Sonic&Mario Kid —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.97.140 (talk) 15:57, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No, he's in the Alien Force section where he's always been. Ged UK (talk) 16:12, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Yup. Take a closer look SAMK. Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 15:51, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Species Page
Why have all links to the species page been removed? It needs to be linked to so that it's not considered an orphaned page. Sincerely, DanMat6288 (talk) 12:30, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It's too fancrufty, and has been redirected. If the character is an Omnitrix alien, they can link to an omnitrix section. If not, describe them in their own section. The species list will never fly. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 22:45, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Article up for deletion!
omg! someone has put this article up for deletion, we need to discuss how to fix the article or it will be deleted!--Lerdthenerd (talk) 13:02, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't know what else to do...

We trimmed the articles, we put up references, what else do they want? Chaoshi (talk) 13:15, 11 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, most of the references are to the show itself or site closely linked to it (eg Bandai), the reference template does talk about reliable third party references, and certainly more of those would improve the article, regardless of the deletion debate. With regard to the deletion, currently the voting is solidly towards 'Keep', including people that haven't contributed to the article. Ged UK (talk) 15:06, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

So.. we're looking okay?

BTW, where is this debate taking place? Chaoshi (talk) 16:33, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Here. Rhonin the wizard (talk) 16:42, 11 June 2008 (UTC)


 * AfD closed, result was (as you can tell by the fact the article is still here) keep. Ged UK (talk) 11:10, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

xlr8 and upgrade
where did the mention of nanotech for xlr8 come from and exactly how was game over enhanced?81.108.233.59 (talk) 13:55, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


 * According to the cited source, it's the episode itself (Ben 10,000). Regards the enchanced episodes, I've no idea, they haven't aired in the UK (we're still waiting for Alien Force) and I can't be bothered to download them. Ged (talk) 14:36, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Alien X Info
Apparantly, X Equals Ben Plus 2 has been leaked. I can't give the link to the video or speculate, but Ben controls Alien X through two seperate personalities, and if they don't cooperate, Alien X's body goes defunct. This is why Ben refuses to use him. I'm being honest, but you can wait anyway. If you see the episode now or on august 31st, add this to the information. --Wxy (talk) 18:46, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think a leak counts as a reliable source. Verifiability above truth. Ged UK (talk) 18:49, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Alright. This is just heads-up information up for later. --Wxy (talk) 19:50, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Um, has this been shown? somebody added a rather detailed explanation of it that SOUNDS as if it was taken from an episode.--Marhawkman (talk) 07:50, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Not until the 31st. It will have to wait. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 07:52, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay then. (wishes people would actually follow policy and talk about such changes) --Marhawkman (talk) 07:56, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I am going to show a summary of the episode, but it does contain spoliers. This is not speculation. Read if you dare.

An alien emperor's daughter is captured by the bounty hunter SevenSeven. His right-hand meets up with Ben, Gwen, and Kevin and fills them in. When SevenSeven blows up a dam, Ben turns into Alien X and reverses the event. At the same time, Ben learns that Alien X's personality is split in two and he must reason with both parts to get Alien X to function. However, his efforts are worthless, and Alien X becomes extra, unmoving weight that his friends have to cart around while infiltrating the emperor's ship. Meanwhile, SevenSeven asks for a bounty to give the emperor's daughter back, and during the exchange she actually tries to overthrow him, which fails miserably. After returning to Earth, Ben decides it is a risk to use Alien X because the personalities almost trapped him in his transformation.

This is the real information about the episode! --Wxy (talk) 20:59, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Like we said, we have to wait before we post stuff about this... Chaoshi (talk) 21:22, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

The episode "X Equals Ben Plus 2". is now avalible to watch online at cartoon network videos (http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/video) this episode shows why it would be too dangerous for Ben to use Alien X again. Ben is to hot-headed for a debate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaldra (talk • contribs) 09:40, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

shouldn't we mention that Alien Xs name is not a mystery, but his name is ACTUALLY Alien X? Cause i saw the episode on Cartoonnetwork.com/video before it aired at 8pm and when ben transformed into him he screams ALIEN X! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.16.178.44 (talk) 11:39, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * We've never said his name was a mystery. --Ged UK (talk) 11:44, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, I think the IP meant to not give a false impression. I am adding the fact and citation.Bettering the Wiki (talk) 18:16, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I know what he meant, I just can't see how the article or the name or the character implies any uncertainty. He's been called Alien X since the aliens were announced. If it was 'Alien ?' or '???' or anything involving a question mark, I'd take the point, but I'm not sure a capital X says wildcard. --Ged UK (talk) 20:50, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Page protection
Due to the high amount of 'stuff' (usually about Alien Zzzzz) that's been added in the last few days, and promptly taken out again, I've got this page semi-protected until the episode airs. I've a horrible feeling that when it airs and the article becomes unprotected, we'll get another wave, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

In the mean time, if any IP editors want any additions making, please list them here and then they can be added as appropriate. --Ged UK (talk) 12:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC) His name is Alien X. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.88.155.134 (talk) 19:08, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * sigh* Is my humour that obscure? --Ged UK (talk) 19:25, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, cuz it didn't make any sense.


 * Obviously just too subtle then. --Ged UK (talk) 11:45, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * For Alien Zzzzz, do you mean Alien X? AlienXguy (talk) 22:57, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. It was a joke, as we were getting loads of speculation about Alien X at the time, and it was boring reverting it all, so I nicknamed him AlienZZZZ because reverting the edits made me sleepy. Nobody seemed to get it. --Ged UK (talk) 09:20, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

did we ever?:alien force aliens
did anyone ever set to rest if the alien force aliens should e seperate?,i was thinking after alien x cam we'd have enough information for them to be seperated,come on guys the poge is long enough,and remember a long,LONG,LONG time ago wnen the aliens from the original series had these little boxs with sections that were all organized,that we had to get rid of becaue the page was to big?,coldn't we give it another shot in a seperate page for alen force?if it faild from size in the original might as well tri tri again Pokejm32 (talk) 05:18, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I think what you're asking is should we have a separate page for Alien Force aliens? I'm still not convinced there's a need yet; there's only 10 still. Perhaps if he starts accumulating more, it might become worth it. At the moment, the overall Ben 10 feel is to keep AF and original series together wherever possible, as per the character list. We would have to be careful what we called it as well. I would envisage this page becoming a disambiguation page that offers links to two new articles; one for original series, one for AF. --Ged UK (talk) 07:13, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

pk ok i see where you 2 are coming from i remember there was a topic on it but i can't find it.well i think that we have all the aliens and now there going into sub skills,freeze by phaze,wall of sound,etc.i think a new page is iimate,but this is a sequal series,so many conections need to be made and alien force sould never become bigger,thats why it's going bye so fast. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.88.6.48 (talk) 02:30, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Goop's Slime
In the episode "Good Copy, Bad Copy", it's shown that the green slime that Goop's body is made of has acidic properties. And I'm not making this up, I just finished watching that episode about 5 minutes ago. Groundlord (talk) 14:38, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

I think you're making it up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.88.157.78 (talk) 22:38, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

If that is true why did the alien robot start to melt when Gloop got inside it instead of expanding as a means to destroy it. I apologize for not knowin the name of the the episode.(Skit Reapa (talk) 09:32, 15 January 2009 (UTC))

fansite....COME ON!

 * I dont think a fansite is a good source for Alien X's "planet". A more official source, please, cause this junk has showed up on Ben 10 Planet over at Wikia. 70.116.85.225 (talk) 13:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I've long had an issue with the reliability of Ben10-toys, but many editors here seem very happy with it. I've been led to believe it is more than a fan site in that it is associated with CN somehow, but I must say I'm not convinced. --Ged UK (talk) 15:15, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I doubt the website would pass WP:RS. Their association with CN appears to be limited just being a licensee rather than being an authoritative source. Would be interesting to find out if CN themselves endorse the website, but even then, it's shakey. You can always ask at WP:RS/N. Yngvarr (t) (c) 15:28, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

It's been right so far with names of planets and what not. Somebody should as his source if they're skeptical.Chaoshi (talk) 15:59, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * How do we know it's right? What's this other source, because I'd much rather use that one. --Ged UK (talk) 20:49, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

One of the names it posted was confirmed in the most recent episode. Additionally, it draws much of its information from what is released by Bandai and on the series itself. 22:13, 7 November 2008

Proof right there I guess... Chaoshi (talk) 05:27, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Not really. Just because it got one name right doesn't make it a reliable source. Bandai yes, the series yes. 'Draws much of it's information from' what does that mean? Makes educated guesses? I can do that, doesn't make me reliable.


 * Let me correct myself then, the site draws ALL of its information from what is released by Bandai and on the series itself. Plus, alot of wikias I've come across have had bad information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.161.58.209 (talk) 20:13, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Then shouldn't we be using the Bandai information rather than pulling it from a site that pulls it from somewhere else. --Ged UK (talk) 08:51, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The Bandai site hasn't been updated since adding Ben 10, The information on Ben10-toys is drawn directly from what is released with the toyline. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.161.58.209 (talk) 19:33, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Dwayne McDuffie, one of the guys who works on "Alien Force" confirmed the the names of Goop and Brainstorm's species. They both match what the site says. More proof, delivered.  Chaoshi (talk) 21:53, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I accept what he says as being reliable, being a writer and all (though it's not a 3rd party source), but I still want to know where they are getting their info from. --Ged UK (talk) 08:51, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Just be aware that, if challenged, the material is considered not reliable, see. Yngvarr (t) (c) 22:04, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Do you know about X?
Do you know Alien X's real name is Atomix? I do not know how Wikipedia got that. X is frozen stiff, while Atomix can do anything because the faces aren't there. X is black, covered in stars, and has three horns, while Atomix, well, no one knows what he looks like.


 * [O|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||) And I thought Atomix was related to a atom (What? A-tom-ix. The first two sylibles give you it!). [:|(>. This is confusing.
 * If you are adding to this page, please, only do items related to X amd Atomix.
 * PS:DON'T TYPE ANYTHING IN ABOUT X OR ATOMIX ONLY!!!!!!AlienXguy (talk) 23:09, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Alien X isn't atomix. We don't know anything about Atomix as far as I know. It's already been removed. --Ged UK (talk) 09:19, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Who cares abouty this discussion its stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.171.155.21 (talk) 01:22, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

For those who still don't trust Ben 10 toys...
In order to make some people happy, I found the name of Waybig's species on the second disc in the season 4 DVD collection. It can be found in the enhanced SOTO movie, so you can change the source to the DVD if you want a more stable reference. Chaoshi (talk) 03:53, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Fusion Fall
Quite a few aliens from the series have appeared in the new Cartoon Network MMO in one way or another. Should we add them on the official release, or post them now, as they have appeared in the beta.Chaoshi (talk) 00:18, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Recent Additions
Recently, a random IP has been adding strange facts to various aliens. Such as Upgrade "being programed with blueprints of machine from all over the universe" or that Ditto splits via "binary fusion". These facts came from the expanded version of Ben 10 that Cartoon Network has been showing all week. As these facts are factual and can be easily sourced, how do we feel about maybe keeping a few? -- Jelly Soup (talk) 04:28, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Case by case I'd say, and it's mostly bad formatting and minor detail reasons that I revert for. The blueprints and fission things, though interesting, are stating the same thing with more detail. It's better to keep them concise. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 04:32, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Better to work with what adds to the article, not reinvents the wheel. -- Jelly Soup (talk) 04:42, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

On the point of recent additions, should we ask for temporary protection until the new episode has aired in each time-zone? It seems like the easiest way to end this problem to me. -- Jelly Soup (talk) 02:52, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Speculation
In B10:AF's season finale it is stated that the omnitrix actually holds the codes for every sentient being that has lived in the galaxy, giving a total number over ONE MILLION. This also means that technically every race in the series is within the omnitrix. Should note of this be made somewhere on the page? Given that apparently the omnitrix has zeroed out and randomized, apparently next season is going to have a set of 10 new aliens. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.226.188.101 (talk) 04:49, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


 * One automatically implies the other. Theres no need to state it. His new set of aliens is already mentioned. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 04:52, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Should the Alien Forms of Gwen from Gwen10 an Grandpa Max be mentioned from the Ben10 episode Gwen10? And should the Alien forms of Ben10 future sun from Ben10 episode Ken10 be mentioned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by BLACKMYSTECHRANGER (talk • contribs) 23:33, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Those forms aren't unique, and thus adequately covered already. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 23:55, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Swampfire/Jetray
Why is it that whenever I put down that Swampfire is immune to energy attacks and whenever I put down that Jetray is Ben's most used Alien Force form, it gets deleted? It's true; whenever we see Swampfire get shot with a laser, it has no effect on him, and Ben has used Jetray more often than any other alien. So why does it keep getting deleted? Nintendoman01 talk, 9:17, 23 April 2009
 * I don't know about the Jetray thing, but a hole appearing where the laser hits Swampfire shows that he is NOT immune to energy attacks; he just regenerates the damaged tissue. Groundlord (talk) 16:35, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Anti-Joseph 10 bot
Okay, this Joseph Koffi guy is really starting to get under my skin!

He is now using an alternate computer to vandalize the Ben 10 pages.

If anyone knows how to program one, could we have a bot that automatically deletes and reverts edits that have to do with anything that matches his vandalism style?

It wouldn't be only for the Ben 10 pages. It could help the Heroes and Smallville pages. Since he frequently attacks them too.

So, can anyone do it, or is this to much to ask? Chaoshi (talk) 22:41, 14 July 2009 (UTC)