Talk:List of Oz books

Danielle Page's Oz Novels
Shouldn't the Danielle Page Oz Novels such as Dorothy Must Die and The Wicked Will Rise be added to the "Alternate Oz Books" section. 19:55, 16 November 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.16.177.136 (talk)

Untitled
This is a great page but the limitations of Wiki markup have the unfortunate effect of making the sequence number layout really suck. I propose rearranging the layout to give a more uniform appearance. I was thinking of making each book's title a section header, then describing the book's special features (author, date, etc) underneath. If nothing much happens to the page for a bit I'll dive in and starting shifting it aounrd. --Phil | Talk 12:58, Mar 30, 2004 (UTC)


 * Go ahead with my blessings. Thanks for the compliments. I'm so glad somebody noticed! But I've only just begun... Mwa-ha-ha! --Woggly 13:14, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Gregory Maguire
Is now mentioned in the lead, but should not be on this list. The criteria for the list are defined quite clearly in the second paragraph: The following list therefore contains only Oz books written by the authors of the first "Famous Forty" (including those published in later years). --Woggly 06:16, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

On second thought, the list can be redefined. I'll add Gregory Maguire back in his proper place. --Woggly 09:30, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Gregory Maguire's most recent, and last, volume in The Wicked Years series, "Out of Oz", was released November 1, 2011. This should be added to the list of books of The Wicked Years in the table at the bottom of the List of Oz books wiki page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Oz_books). --JhayneDough 16:02, 13 Dec 2011 (PST)

Table of Oz books
I created a table for the Oz books, here is a sample:

Any thoughts? --[[User:JonMoore|&mdash;Jo nMo ore  20:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)]] 30 June 2005 02:07 (UTC)


 * Looks okay to me. Are the library of congress numbers really important to you? I can't quite put into words why I dislike them, it somehow makes the list seem too cold and technical. Another hesitation is that sometimes the table format discourages less experienced editors from adding to a list or changing it. Then again, that may not be a bad thing.

--Woggly 30 June 2005 07:29 (UTC)

I just put the LC #'s there, because they WERE there. I'm not terribly in love with them either. We don't have any for Thompson's or any of the other's work, so I guess they are not important. But, really, what is there that anyone else would need to add? Name, year, publisher--what else? I thought this format made it slightly easier to read. I thought we could really get this article up to snuff and put it in as a Featured List. We would probably need pictures of each book cover, as well as a synopsis for that. Let me know. --[[User:JonMoore|&mdash;Jo nMo ore  20:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)]] 30 June 2005 18:11 (UTC)

Here is a sample of what we could do, if you wanted. I only have covers for some of the books, so far, and not all of the synopses. What do you think? If you want to edit it, the main code is at User:JonMoore/Oz. --[[User:JonMoore|&mdash;Jo nMo ore  20:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)]] 30 June 2005 21:24 (UTC)

Proposed move
In keeping with Wikipedia naming conventions, I was wondering if anyone would object to my moving this page to either Oz books or List of Oz books? --[[User:JonMoore|&mdash;Jo nMo ore  20:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)]] 22:19, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
 * ~I agree with that -- &mdash;Moondyne 06:47, 27 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Me too. I'll make it so. --Fl e x (talk|contribs) 18:54, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Oz
I have created a new WikiProject about Oz: WikiProject Oz. I hope to create a community to help guide the continued development of the articles about the series and its authors, characters, etc. toward even more quality articles. If you are interested, please add your name under the "Participants section" and please leave any comments or questions on the project's talk page or my user talk page. &mdash; [[User:JonMoore|&mdash;Jo nMo ore  20:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)]] 23:34, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Gutenberg.org links
Would you consider adding external links to the Gutenberg Project copies of the public domain books? Durova 08:48, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Infoboxes
I've been adding infoboxes to the entries on Baum's individual Oz books that lacked them. But on two entries, those for The Lost Princess of Oz and The Tin Woodman of Oz, the cover images are too small for the infobox format. Regretably, I can't fix 'em myself; my skill level and knowledge base aren't up to the job.Ugajin 05:08, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Sherwood Smith
I see someone has moved this to "Alternate Oz". However, these new books are meant to continue on from the end of the 40 canonical ones. The Baum Family Trust have given her the title of Royal Historian too. Jonks 16:24, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

The question of what is canonical/who is a Royal Historian is a very complex one. A lot of books/authors can sort of claim the title, but since it is so unclear it is better to keep everything under one title. The Baum Trust represents only some of the great-grandchildren. Another great grandchild, Roger Baum, is an Oz author himself. Is he a Royal Historian? Some say so. As all of Baum's Oz books are in public domain, no one has copyright claim, so there is no one person or group to determine. One could also argue that Eric Shanower, who illustrated so many of the FF author's books, might be considered a Royal Historian. The situation is even more complex because the publishing company has pretty much abandoned Ms. Smith's books. The second was barely released, and it looks as if (according to Ms. Smith) the next two will not be released by them.


 * Ok, yes, I know the whole canonical debate is quite complex. However, I think that "Alternate Oz" is not really the best way to describe the books by Smith, Shanower and any Baum descendant. When I read "Alternate Oz", I think of the works by Maguire, Philip Jose Farmer, etc., as these authors are/were completely rewriting Oz. However there are many authors who are just continuing Baum's fantasy world. Jonks 15:55, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Good point. My suggestion would be to move a bunch of the books (smith, Hungry Tiger stuff, Roger Baum, etc.) that are in the tradition of Oz to the "Non Canonical Oz Works" section and just get rid of the "by Royal Historians" qualifier. That seems clearest to me. Any thoughts on this?


 * This is a good idea. "Alternate Oz" has the same connotation to me as it does to Jonks, but the "Royal Historians" label is tricky. I'd say go with your idea. If there is a group that are definitely considered "Royal Historians," maybe just put a note on their entries? Jennifu 21:49, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the above point as classifying those works that seek to continue and expand Oz do not necessarily create an alternative Oz.


 * I recently removed Dave Hardenbrook's Oz books, mainly because he added them himself. Perhaps there should be a page listing the various secondary Oz books, published by vanity presses, the books published by Emerald City Press and Random House that are semi-inconsistent (Ozma who? and Lion in America Roger Baum, Donald Abbott, etc. for ECP; Dorothy making a number of other trips to Oz in the Random House series, sometimes doing things we know from the Baum books she can't do, such as swim). The question is, are such books notable?  I already have a page up for March Laumer, but as notability is not inherited, it may not be allowed to remain.  As far as Hardenbrook's he has a Larry Stu character marrying Ozma, which ought to set it squarely as "Alternate Oz".  --Scottandrewhutchins 17:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Fair Use covers
The use of all of the copyrighted book covers on this list fails the Non-free content criteria 3a and 8. For more information on the removal of the images, please see User:Durin/Fair use overuse explanation. ~ Bigr  Tex  21:03, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Non-canonical Oz works by "Royal Historians"
This title and sentence gives the wrong impression: "Each of the "Royal Historians" wrote Oz-related works not generally considered canonical." Most of the Oz fans I've spoken to regard all the Oz books by the "Royal Historians" as canonical and do not regard canonicity based on whether or not Reilly & Lee was the publisher. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.125.52.81 (talk) 21:27, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * No, these books are usually referred to as "deutero-canonical". --Scottandrewhutchins 14:06, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

That may be, but that's not the same as saying their "not generally considered canonical." There's a lot of Oz fans who consider them as canonical as the Famous Forty. And there's plenty of fans who even consider Eric Shanower's works and other later additions to be canonical. Why not just leave out those notions altogether, e.g., "Each of the 'Royal Historians' wrote later volumes of Oz stories that were published after Reilly & Lee folded." If you want to mention canonicity simply that "fans are in disagreement over what constitutes canonicity with the later books, thought many accept the works from the original 'Royal Historians'." Don't you think that works a little better? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.125.52.81 (talk) 05:28, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Buckethead Enterprises of Oz
Complete list of Buckethead Enterprises of Oz books (thanks to Tyler Jones):


 * 1. Toto in Oz by Chris Dulabone
 * 2. The Yellow Fog over Oz adapted from Alexander Melentyevich Volkov's Zholti tuman (The Yellow Fog) by March Laumer
 * 3. Mr. Flint in Oz by Ray Powell
 * 4. The Secret of the Deserted Castle adapted from Volkov by Dulabone
 * 5. The Braided Man of Oz by Rufus K. Lionel
 * 6. The Foolish Fox by John R. Neill
 * 7. Two Terrific Tales of Oz by Gregory D. Hunter
 * 8. A Viking in Oz by Dulabone
 * 9. The Enchanted Island of Yew by L. Frank Baum
 * 10. Acinad Goes to the Emerald City of Oz by the students of Serafin R. Padilla
 * 11. The Gardener's Boy of Oz by Phyllis Ann Karr
 * 12. The Enchanted Gnome of Oz by Hunter
 * 13. The Deadly Desert Around Oz by Dulabone
 * 14. Veggy Man of Oz by Nate Barlow
 * 15. Song of Oz by Jeff Barstoc
 * 16. The Magic Diamond of Oz by the students of Serafin R. Padilla
 * 17. The Crocheted Cat in Oz by Dulabone
 * 18. The Silver Shoes of Oz by Marin Elizabeth Xiques
 * 19. The Colorful Kitten in Oz by Dulabone
 * 20. Wooglet in Oz by hugh Pendexter III
 * 21. The Third Book of Oz by L. Frank Baum
 * 22. Skeezik and the Mys-Tree in Oz by Marcus Mebes
 * 23. A Wonderful Journey in Oz by Ryan M. Atticus Gannaway
 * 24. Dorothy Returns to Oz by the students of Serafin R. Padilla
 * 25. Lurline and the White Ravens of Oz by Marcus Mebes
 * 26. The Mysterious Caverns of Oz by Mebes
 * 27. The Dinamonster of Oz by Kenneth Gage Baum
 * 28. Hurray for Oz! by Dulabone (this edition not published)
 * 29. On Submitting Manuscripts to Buckethead Enterprises of Oz by Dulabone (attr. Toto)
 * 30. Dagmar in Oz by Dulabone
 * 31. The Flying Bus in Oz by Ruth Morris
 * 32. Lunarr and Maureen in Oz by Dulabone
 * 33. The Emerald Ring of Oz by Jeremy Steadman
 * 34. Bungle and the Magic Lantern of Oz by Hugh Pendexter III
 * 35. The Magic Tapestry of Oz by Mebes and Dulabone
 * 36. The Odd Tale of Osoenft in Oz by Mebes
 * 37. The Seven Blue Mountains of Oz series, Volume One: The Disenchanted Princess of Oz by Melody Grandy
 * 38. Invisible Inzi of Oz by Virginia & Robert Wauchope, supposedly channeled from Baum and originally published in 1926
 * 39. Cory in Oz by Alison McBain
 * 40. The Lunechien Forest of Oz by Dulabone
 * 41. The Case of the Framed Fairy of Oz by Gil S. Joel
 * 42. Kaliko in Oz by K. Kline
 * 43. The Marvelous Monkeys of Oz by Dulabone
 * 44. Egor's Funhouse Goes to Oz by Dulabone
 * 45. Red Reera the Yookoohoo and the Enchanted Easter Eggs of Oz by Richard G. Quinn
 * 46. Brewster Bunny and the Case of the Outrageous Enchantments of Oz by Dulabone
 * 47. The Healing Power of Oz by Joel
 * 48. The Lost Emeralds of Oz by Frederick E. Otto
 * 49. The Haunted Castle of Oz by Mebes
 * 50. The Fantastic Funhouse of Oz by Dulabone
 * 51. Fwirrp in Oz by Mebes
 * 52. The Tin Castle of Oz by Peter Schulenberg
 * 53. Pegasus in Oz by Annie Brzozowski
 * 54. A Queer Quest for Oz by Dulabone
 * 55. A Silver Elf in Oz by Xiques and Dulabone
 * 56. The Fairy Circle in Oz by Dulabone
 * 57. The Joust in Oz by Brzozowski
 * 58. The Shifting Sands of Oz by Marcus Mebes, Rinny & Chris Dulabone
 * 59. The Forest Monster of Oz by Bob Evans
 * 60. The Magic Ruby of Oz by Julia Inglis

The company was renamed Tails of the Cowardly Lion and Friends and numbering restarted. As of today, this page lists all of the TOTCLAF books except #16 The Cloud King of Oz by Amanda Marie Buck. http://members.aol.com/LionCoward/LionList.html

--Scottandrewhutchins 18:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Other published Oz books
The Blue Emperor of Oz by Henry S. Blossom. Armstrong State College Press, 1982

Button-Bright of Oz and The Sawhorse of Oz by Harry E. Mongold

The Ork in Oz by Jack & Larry Brenton

Vampires and Oz by Nikki Kay Richardson, Xlibris, 2000.

and Emerald City Press titles. --Scottandrewhutchins 21:31, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I added this. I hope it isn't declared non-notable. It shouldn't be, considering the Dorothy Gale entry mentions the cottage industry of Oz books by amateur authors.

List of Published Oz Apocrypha

--Scottandrewhutchins 21:33, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

"Quasi-famous 7"
In the section "Non-canonical Oz works by 'Royal Historians'", the text says: "Yankee through Wicked Witch are often referred to in fan circles as the 'Quasi-Famous 7.'"

The table below that lists four books published by the International Wizard of Oz Club -- Yankee in Oz, The Enchanted Island of Oz, The Forbidden Fountain of Oz and The Wicked Witch of Oz. If those are four of the seven, what are the other three? -- Danny  ( talk ) 14:02, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Little Wizard Stories of Oz, The Ozmapolitan of Oz, and The Rundelstone of Oz. I am not absolutely certain of the latter, since I think the term pre-dates its publication.  It might refer to Queer Visitors from the Marvelous Land of Oz/The Woggle-Bug Book.  One site claims that the seventh is The Hidden Prince of Oz, but that book has no more claim than the Edward Einhorn books, and definitely post-dates the term. --Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 15:11, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Or perhaps The Laughing Dragon of Oz?&mdash; Chowbok  ☠  04:15, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Inclusion of plays?
I'm wondering if the plays are included on this list (of "books"), why not screenplays, like "Tin Man"? TV productions (& movies) are basically the plays of modern times, and a "screenplay" is "written" as a precursor to a production just as a "play" is "written" just a precursor to its production. Of course, one could say such a TV miniseries is never "published" in written form. . . but, neither were these plays!
 * The Wonderful Wizard of Oz | L. Frank Baum |  unpublished ; written 1901

Any comments?
 * Peace and Passion &#9774; ''("I'm listening....") 18:54, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Also what about movies (screenplays)? If so, then "The Wiz" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wiz_%28film%29) should be mentioned somewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.161.107.17 (talk) 23:17, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Other Baum books
It seems like Baum's other fairyland books—Queen Zixi of Ix, The Magical Monarch of Mo, The Sea Fairies, Sky Island, The Life and Adventures of Santa Claus, and John Dough and the Cherub—ought to be listed somewhere in this article as well. All of them take place in the same fictional universe as the Oz books, and there are many character crossovers (in fact, The Scarecrow of Oz is as much a followup to Sea Fairies/Sky Island as it is an Oz book). Thoughts?&mdash; Chowbok  ☠  04:14, 14 December 2011 (UTC)


 * This seems reasonable. I added a mention of the books. Michael-Zero (talk) 15:04, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Pages for other Oz books
I was wondering if we can have articles started for the other Oz books that don't have articles yet. Especially in preparation for the upcoming Dorothy of Oz film which is based on the book of the same name by Roger S. Baum. I hear that there is going to be a prequel comic to that film which details the Jester's rise to power. Any objections? Rtkat3 (talk) 3:46, October 9 2012 (UTC)

Visitors from Oz?
No mention of Visitors from Oz by Martin Gardner? Maybe we could make a list of Oz-related books on the talk page that nonetheless don't belong in the article, so that they aren't added by well-meaning editors. --IanOsgood (talk) 18:36, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Add subtitles?
Maybe we should give the full titles of the books, including the subtitles? Michael-Zero (talk) 03:56, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

The Runaway in Oz
I see that John R. Neill's fourth Oz book, The Runaway in Oz, is not listed on the page. Nor do I see any mention of it on the talk page. I assume there must be a reason for its omission, so before adding it, I'd like to ask - why is it not listed? Macduff (talk) 05:56, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Danielle Page Novels
Shouldn't Danielle Page's novels such as "Dorothy Must Die" and "The Wicked Will Rise" be added to the "Alternate Oz" Section. 20:04, 16 November 2021 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.16.177.136 (talk)

Scottie Young Ozcomic
An Oz based comic book was done by Skottie Young 2603:6000:8100:7874:DCBC:CD20:BDA:87A3 (talk) 19:04, 24 November 2023 (UTC)