Talk:List of Pern books

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I'm going to tentatively add Dragonsheart to the list after Dragonsblood. This is based purely on the synopsis on Amazon.co.uk as I only just found out the book had been published (had heard it was due next year). If the placement is incorrect feel free to move it, or I'll do so if nessesary after reading the book. Danikat (talk) 12:06, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I also added in The Impression after The White Dragon. I'm not entirely sure if this is the right placement either but in the beggining of The White Dragon Jaxon mentions Felessan implying that he hadn't impressed at the start of the book. Danikat (talk) 12:39, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Chronology of Pern

 * ''In article space I have used the term "Pern historical order" P64 (talk) 2011-07-23

Many Pern volumes include dates in the chapter titles and the authorized Atlas of Pern gives dates for many events in the novels published before 1984. Chronological order of the stories may be improved by reference to the dates and it may be useful to include the dates here. --P64 (talk) 19:03, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Here are example chronological data from some of the Pern works.
 * The Harper Hall trilogy (1975–79) —none
 * ^White Dragon (1978) —15.7.7-15.8.7 (year.month.day during present Ninth Pass)
 * Dragonsdawn (1988) —none (three parts: Landing, Thread, Crossing)
 * ^Renegades of Pern (1989) —PP 17 (year during present Ninth Pass)
 * ^Skies of Pern (2002) —5.27.30 (month.day.year during present Ninth Pass)
 * ^Dragongirl (2010) —AL 508.2.2 (year.month.day After Landing)
 * ^In these four books the exemplified data are provided in all chapter titles. All the Weyrs of Pern (2001) and Dragon Harper (2007) provide dates only occasionally. The prologue to Skies of Pern specifies also "Aivas adjusted reckoning 2552" years After Landing. Some other prologues, I recall, state that the story begins so many years after some particular event.


 * Immediately before the Dragongirl Table of Contents is a brief chronology, 495 to 508 AL, with references to the five Third Pass volumes previously published. --P64 (talk) 16:49, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

The Atlas of Pern (1984), by Karen Wynn Fonstad "Authorized", includes chronologies for Moreta, Dragonflight and Dragonquest, the Harper Hall trilogy, and White Dragon. There are no dates in the Harper Hall trilogy; Fonstad relies on the seasons of the year, stated or estimated dates between events, and events that are dated elsewhere, primarily in Dragonquest. --P64 (talk) 22:25, 30 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Moreta and Nerilka provide relative dates for all chapters, almost all being 3.dd.43 (March dd, Turn 43 of the Sixth Pass). They also give year 1541 A.L. for the plague, and 7+ years remaining in the Pass, and 1553 for Nerilka's first and last chapter framework. This dates the Pass 1498–1548, evidently a 10-year mistake (evident to "original research"). --P64 (talk) 18:33, 5 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Dragon's Time (2011) does not long continue the systematic provision of dates or times. There are only three such chapter headings, for the first three chapters that take place in the present (chaps 2, 3, 5). Those three dates are 7.21, evening (of the day Dragongirl ends); 7.23, evening; 7.27 (late). Chapters 7-8 ends after the main episode of group time travel begins in the morning, probably 8.07 or 8.08 and no later than 8.08 by my close reading. That episode ends chapter 11 and last, where it is unclear to me whether days, or only one night, or hours have passed in the present.
 * Chapters 1, 4, and 6 feature Lorana out of the present. Long chapters 9-10 cover the main episode "three years back" and include some jaunts by Lorana alone. --P64 (talk) 20:12, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Publications and Other works
Useful links
 * Talk:Anne McCaffrey and some earlier talk concerns the publications
 * Talk:Dragonriders of Pern and some earlier talk " "
 * User talk:Aledgunstone —where I posted early this week
 * (for contrast) Piers Anthony bibliography

What should be included beside the McCaffreys' Pern books? Recently I have imported from Anne McCaffrey the sublist of "Pern Short Stories" by User:Aledgunstone. At Dragonriders of Pern I have divided the list between Publications by the McCaffreys and Other works such as The Atlas of Pern.

For now the terminology is secondary: what to call a "publication"? should the title be "List of Pern books"? The primary questions are what should be listed here? What should be listed in a section of Dragonriders of Pern? What Pern works, if any, should be listed in Anne McCaffrey? --P64 (talk) 18:28, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The list of publications has been split 2011-11-08 from Anne McCaffrey to Anne McCaffrey bibliography. --P64 (talk) 20:50, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Short fiction
I have removed the sublist of Pern short fiction with publication data that I imported from Anne McCaffrey this summer (above). See Dragonriders of Pern. —or its immediate destination Talk:Dragonriders of Pern. --P64 (talk) 15:57, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The list of publications has been split 2011-11-08 from Anne McCaffrey to Anne McCaffrey bibliography. --P64 (talk) 20:50, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Dragonsblood "at the end of the second interval ..."
Last fortnight a one-time user wrote in edit summary that Dragonsblood "should be Second Interval" and wrote some evidence into the text (Difference between revisions) —since then, moved to the first explanatory footnote (template:efn).

Dragonsblood is set primarily around the turn of the second interval/third pass and includes clear datestamps for its secondary action (year 58). Probably our visitor missed the the later, primary listing for Dragonsblood. Some improvement on my annotation "– some events" may be helpful.

--P64 (talk) 22:01, 30 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi. Yes please do that. "Some events take place in year 58 After Landing" or whatever could stay with the content, anything very much longer should probably be in a note. Do we have a suitable wikilink that can explain "After Landing"? --Mirokado (talk) 22:25, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I have revised that annotation ( above ) and another re settings divided in time, updated the lead paragraph, and expanded the explanation of "Pern historical order". The latter now extends to cover "Landing" and "AL" explicitly.
 * Last month a one-time editor revised DoP to say After the Fall is Over "will be finished by her children", without reference. I suppose that is certain, unless it be a grandchild, but I have read (a year ago) only that AIM had generally permitted or welcomed it. Regarding that book I have updated this list only by inserting the date at "(in progress 2011)". --P64 (talk) 21:20, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Intro text is confusingly worded
"Dragonriders of Pern is a science fiction series initiated by Anne McCaffrey with the Hugo Award-winning novella Weyr Search in 1967." Yet Weyr Search is not listed in the lists below this text. Dragonflight, the book which contains that novella, is listed, but nothing on this page links the two. Therefore, it ends up looking like the lists are incomplete, as they seemingly don't include the story mentioned by the text as starting the series. 173.33.103.89 (talk) 13:20, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

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