Talk:List of PlayStation Portable gamesharing games

Rename
This article, if it is going to stay, should be moved to List of PlayStation Portable Gamesharing games. -- ReyBrujo 05:19, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I thought there was only one list, which was this one, right?--Ideal4real 05:39, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok people. I can't move it because i'm a new user, so I need some help on this.--Ideal4real 22:55, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Nevermind, I sucessfully did it.--Ideal4real 00:38, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

The feature is given as "Game Sharing", with a space, at least on the US website and in my PSP's "Game" menu. So, should this not be "List of PlayStation Portable Game Sharing games"? (Or, perhaps, something like "List of PlayStation Portable games with the Game Sharing feature"/"...featuring Game Sharing"/something-not-as-halfway-awkward-as-the-currently-title-but-better-than-those-two-suggestions?) T.J. Fuller, Jr. (talk) 17:59, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Gamesharing List
I only have a few, so when more come out, we should all put our knowledge to this topic.--Ideal4real 05:38, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Confirmed that Buzz!: Master Quiz also has a game sharing mode. --152.13.164.11 (talk) 20:52, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Revisions
Dark420bishop 07:34, 11 March 2007 (UTC)My friend and I have tested nearly every game that was on this list and many of them did not have game sharing capabilities so they were removed. Games that only had single player demos available were so noted in the description. Although some games like Star Wars Battlefronts II are reported from many places as having game sharing, when we tested them, we could not find the feature anywhere. So unless we could find a reference from a reputable game review that stated the game had game sharing, we assumed our first hand knowledge more reliable. Sites used to double check were GameFAQs, Gamespot, and IGN.

Reformat
Perhaps we should reformat this list into a table, more like the List of PlayStation Portable games. I was thinking of having four columns as such:

Game name | Region | Gamesharing type | Number of players

Gamesharing types would be something along of the lines of: full game, limited game, mini-game, or demo (single player).

Number of players: 1 for single player demos, 2 for two player, or for example 2-4 for two to four players.

Does that sound like a good idea to anyone? --Transce080 (talk) 00:41, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I originally suggested merging this article into List of PlayStation Portable games, but obviously all of that information does not fit on that table. So I think the better question would be whether it is necessary to have all of that information on this page, or whether it should just be on the individual articles' page and this article should be merged and just have "Yes" or "No" under the "Share" column in List of PlayStation Portable games? MrKIA11 (talk) 18:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


 * If we were talking about regular ad-hoc or infrastructure capabilities, I would completely agree with you. However, I think that Gamesharing is a unique and special feature in PSP that deserves more attention.  I think we should try to provide as detailed information as possible here in a concise, easy-to-read fashion.  I think we have too much information here to combine into the main list, and I don't think it takes away from the main list that this list exists.  I think that people appreciate the simplicity here, they don't have to wade through a huge list checking to see which have a "Share" under a particular column.  People can use this list and know that every game name here contains Gamesharing and (hopefully in the future) what type of Gamesharing.  --Transce080 (talk) 19:35, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I guess that's fine. The only wrong point you made is that they would have to "wade through a huge list", because they can easily sort by that column and see which games have gamesharing. But if you're willing to fix up this list and expand it, I will make the "Share" column link to this article. MrKIA11 (talk) 22:53, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I like the new format with the columns but I don't think "Developer" or "Publisher" have any relevance to this list. I think that is information that should be contained on the main list and having it in both places is redundant and introduces possibilities for inconsistency.  I think the only information relevant to the gamesharing is the name of the game, the region (for example USA or EUR - we could use the images from the main list), the type of gamesharing, and how many players can play.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Transce080 (talk • contribs) 05:39, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Here's something along the lines of what I think the table should look like with an example. Let me know what you think.  You get the basic idea.  I'm not so concerned with the formatting as I am with getting the most relevant information on there.

Okay, I'm thinking for gamesharing types, scratch full or limited and just say regular. I can only think of one game that gives you the full game via gamesharing and I'm not even 100% on that one. So we would make the list of acceptable categories for gamesharing:
 * Regular - denotes the ability to play, with two or more players, at least a portion of what would be considered the "main" game.
 * Mini-game - denotes the ability to play mini-games with two or more players but not the "main" game.
 * Demo - denotes a single player demo, unable to play multiplayer.


 * I completely agree. I'm not sure why I put those columns. For some reason in the back of my mind that's what I thought you had said, even though you obviously didn't. I was just trying to make it into a table. I took the information from the PSP games list, so change it up however you like. MrKIA11 (talk) 13:56, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I like the direction we're going with this. I filled in some of the region information.  The table is looking good, I think.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Transce080 (talk • contribs) 21:11, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Should the region column be divided as I have above? MrKIA11 (talk) 00:10, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think it's necessary but I think it looks fine either way.  I noticed you rearranged the region icons, is there some standard for their organization?  I was merely listing the regions in alphabetical order.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Transce080 (talk • contribs) 05:35, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I arranged them in the order that they were released. That is why I stopped at the the M's, I haven't gotten farther than that in the list of PSP games. MrKIA11 (talk) 13:07, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I think we should come up with some arbitrary order for them. Although I know they're sorted in release order, to the uninformed, I think it looks random and messy.  That's just my two cents and that goes for the main list, also. -Transce080 (talk) 22:19, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree. I think the above version would look good, especially if we can figure out a way to make the region columns sortable. I couldn't figure it out. On the main list however, I think they should stay in the release order, although there should be a note in the intro, which I keep forgetting to get around to. MrKIA11 (talk) 22:33, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The above version works for me. -Transce080 (talk) 08:54, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

In about a week, I will have access to another PSP and I will make a dedicated effort to fill the rest of the Gamesharing Type column. -Transce080 (talk) 20:22, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Having been unable, in several cases, to find an exact number of players for gamesharing features, I will start using the published number of players for the main game. If we should find out the gamesharing feature allows a different number of players than the regular game, we can always edit it from there.  (Additional note:  however, I will only do this for games which I have already verified have 'Regular' gamesharing type, so as to not give the false impression that a 'Demo' game might allow play with more than one player).  -Transce080 (talk) 06:15, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Gamesharing type column filled and reformatting done. The sorting is acting buggy and I'm not sure why.  Errors only appear after I try to sort a column so I removed the sorting for now.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Transce080 (talk • contribs) 08:29, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It sorts funny because it thinks the individual regions are the first row. Everything can be fixed if we remove the Regions Released as above, but do you think it is obvious enough what the regions are for by themselves? MrKIA11 (talk) 14:43, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't know. It seems obvious to us, but I'm not sure how someone new would see it.  I think the test version above looks fine, personally.  Also, I would like to have the images of the flags centered within their column.  I was trying to achieve this effect but I don't have much experience working with wikitables.-Transce080 (talk) 18:32, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


 * So are you saying that not having 'Regions Released is fine, as above, or that it should retain that cell? I just realized that even if the region columns are sortable, they do not actually sort, so the format is almost useless. The only way I can figure out to center the images is to set every cell to, but that would not only severely increase the size, but would be a lot of work, so as of now, I have no recommendation. MrKIA11 (talk) 18:47, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, it think it would have been fine without the Regions Released but if it won't be sortable anyway, I think it looks nicer with the Regions Released head row intact. -Transce080 (talk) 00:18, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Removals
Suggestions to remove from the list (unless anyone can come up with proof that the game has Gamesharing):


 * The Simpsons
 * MLB '07 - The Show (USA) [note]

Note: This article states the game has Gamesharing but I can't find it in the USA version. Perhaps a EUR-only feature?


 * I agree with both. I could not find anything either. Personally, I do not trust IGN/all of its sister sites, because I have repeatedly found wrong information on there. MrKIA11 (talk) 23:04, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

VG Assessment
This is in response to the request at WP:VG/A. I'm leaving this list at Start-class. I will not promote it to B-class without references, especially in an article like this. It's not that I think that the list is wrong, it's just that I have no proof that any of these games are gamesharing games. You need, unfortunately, references for each and every one if you want to get to B, A, or FL class. Other than that, my concerns are that the tables aren't sortable (minor, but it's odd, considering the examples here on the talk page are), and that there nothing stating whether or not this is all of them or just some/most of them. --PresN (talk) 06:23, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Buzz!: Master Quiz Available In US
http://i46.tinypic.com/2wgymgm.jpg

It saids that "Buzz!: Master Quiz" is only available in EUR, but it's also available in the USA. I know, because I have it. Here's proof:

http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/object/142/14232294/buzz_master_quiz_pspboxart_160w.jpg

(at http://psp.ign.com/objects/142/14232294.html ("About this Game" part) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.174.187.79 (talk) 14:51, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

EDIT: I have added it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.174.187.79 (talk) 15:32, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Game sharing full list
Let´s conserve the full list, it´s a very good compendium of all the games that had this function, and actually (and the most important thing) this is the only site on the internet showing WHAT kind of game does the title provide. Some titles let another player make full use of the multiplayer, some other provide a demo, while other games provide access to minigames and stuff. Please, let´s conserve all this information for people to use. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aldaren (talk • contribs) 21:20, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Please read Wikipedia's standards for something having its own article. The information must be covered in reliable, third party sources covering it in significant detail. The article has been unsourced since its creation in 2006. Unless you fix it up real soon, it's pretty certainly going to be deleted. Sergecross73   msg me  13:12, 18 June 2016 (UTC)


 * This page was already nominated for deletion on 2007-07-27. The result of the discussion was Keep, so I don´t see the point of deleting of this information if the topic was already covered and people decided not to delete this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_PlayStation_Portable_Gamesharing_games
 * And secondly, as some other contributors pointed before, this is not a "trivial" feature but possibly the most important feature a PSP game can have. Neither is this listing "trivial" as this information is not contained anywhere else on Wikipedia. Whether this remains a list or becomes a category, it's important that the information be retained.
 * It´s ok if the information must be fixed, but deleting this and putting the "yes/no" info about game sharing is absurd. Aldaren (talk) 16:16, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * The prior deletion discussion is almost a decade old, and the standards have changed (gotten much stricter) since then. An article could never pass a deletion discussion without a single present anymore. (Not to mention, virtually every argument in the discussion violates WP:ITSUSEFUL. It needs to meet the WP:GNG. It's been unsourced since its inception. I'll be nominating it for deletion soon unless you find some reliable sources that cover the topic in significant detail. (WP:VG/S has a list usable/unuable sources.) If this truly is "one of the emost important features a PSP game can have", then it should be very easy for you to find sources. Sergecross73   msg me  12:47, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * But you know that due to the nature of this information is almost impossible to find "sources". almost every official site of the games providing the information about game sharing closed years ago. It´s technicaly impossible to source each game. What I am suppossed to look for? Please, I would like to have some help from you or any other user. As I told you before this page is the only way to know what type of content game sharing provides to each game. If you delete this, it will be forgotten. Perhaps by "reliable sources" you are only asking for sources cover in detail about game sharing as a whole, in that case I will do my best. Aldaren (talk) 16:34, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:V. Wikipedia is written entirely based around what can be verified by reliable sources. Read WP:GNG - it says things only have their own article if they are covered in significant detail by third party sources. (As in, not Sony or the developers themselves, but websites like IGN or Eurogamer. If you can't do this with a certain subject, then the subject should not have its own article. That's how the whole website works. Sergecross73   msg me  17:32, 20 June 2016 (UTC)


 * If you need an example of an article that does it right - Off TV Play. Note how every entry is sourced, verifying that each game has the feature. Also note the development/reception sections - showing how it is a notable feature discussed by third party sources. Sergecross73   msg me  17:32, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok, I got it. Thanks for the example of something with similar problematics. I will try to do the same to this article, if you let me. I need some time to find reliable sources for each game (I see that not 100% of games in your example are sourced, but I will do my best for at least 90% of them). I´ll probably bother you for a little bit longer, since this is gonna be my first big take on an article, so perhaps I write you to make some questions, if you don´t mind. Let´s see what I can doAldaren (talk) 18:37, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't have any issues with waiting if you're actively working on it. Many people make comments like yourself for a day or two, and then disappear forever, without doing a thing to improve the article, and that's what I'd take issue with, because the article shouldn't be existing in its current state. I won't redirect or push for a delete if you can actually clean it up some. (Also, thanks for the note about not 100% of the entries at OTP being sourced. I maintain that article, but haven't really visited it in a while, so I hadn't noticed people had slipped some unsourced entries in there. They are supposed to be all sourced, so I'll work on rectifying that, either by adding sources or removing entries, depending on what I can find. Sergecross73   msg me  19:49, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * No problem, I see the point. In my case I would not just complain and leave, because as I told you this is the only place to check this info, so thanks to explain how to fix the article. I started looking for sources (using the custom search engine of that video-games project you show me), so I would keep posting if I had some questions. Thanks a lot Aldaren (talk) 23:23, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey,, any progress so far? Sergecross73   msg me  14:45, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
 * hi, I´m almost at 80% with the sources, but I´m having a lot of problem trying to figure out how to make a proper table to be visualized in the article (I mean, I´m new to the wikipedia interface and don´t get it yet) So perhaps is a good idea to finish all my searching and then share all that information (I´m currently writing it in an excel doc) with another user to properly introduce it in the article.(you or any given user who can do it). The idea is having the article improved the sooner the better. What do you think about it? Aldaren (talk) 11:44, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
 * No problem. You can create a WP:DRAFT - it's basically where you can work on rough drafts not ready for the Wikipedia main space. It's public enough that I can help you with it, but it's not linked to the main Wikipedia, so it's not likely to be seen or deleted by others. It's pretty straightforward, but I can set one up for you if it seems confusing at first. Sergecross73   msg me  17:04, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Alright then, we're coming up on two and a half weeks, and not a single sign of improvement on the article at all. Will likely nominate it for deletion again if nothing happens soon... Sergecross73  msg me  19:44, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi!I´m almost done with the excel, I´m just looking for a couple of games that are pretty obscure. Had a lot of work and couldn´t expend all of my time on it. Sorry I didn´t upload the status of the work here. Please, consider give a few more days so I can reach 100% of the sources Aldaren (talk) 01:38, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay, but please consider adding your information to Wikipedia soon - I'd like to see what you've got so far. For your sake even - with being very new, I'm afraid you could be putting a ton of time and effort into something that may not be on the right track for Wikipedia. It would be shame if, for example, you kept using Gamefaqs or Wikias as sources, as that tends to be a common newbie mistake. I'd rather correct things rather than let you sink too much time into potentially doing it the wrong way. Sergecross73   msg me  12:45, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * DONE! It has been a lot of work, but I feel great with it! I take note of your advice and as WikiProject Video Games (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_games/Sources#Official_information) recommends, I used the custom google search engine they provide to find reliable sources. Besides that, I manually checked the sources looking for explicity cites about the game sharing capabilities. I found reliable sources for 80 of the 84 titles of the original list. Among the 80 successful ones I always tried to select the most reliable source acording to wikipedia standards. I tried to avoid information from official stores/webs most of the time, except for some Japan titles never released in west, because I was unable of looking for sources written in other language besides japanese, so technically I couldn´t confirm them as reliable sources (perhaps japanese speakers wikipedists are capable of that). About the 4 unsourced games, I couldn´t find reliable sources to them (yet!). Another possitive point is that I found reliable sources for 7 games that were not on the original list. I have all the information in an excel document, so please, feel free to give me some advice about what to do next, I would like to have the article sourced as soon as possible, but as I told you before, I don´t mind if I must learn how to edit the article all by myself.Aldaren (talk) 03:41, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * That all sounds great. Looking over WP:REFB should help you on how to add references. Some people chose to make a separate column on the table for references, while others just put it right by the game's name. Either is acceptable, though the latter would probably be easiest. Sergecross73   msg me  01:47, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Alright, I'm redirecting the article again - it's been over a month and a half, and not a single improvement has been actually been implemented, nor have you actually shown any proof of the work you've said you've done. If the redirect is undone without any substantial improvement, then I'm sending it back to WP:AFD. Sergecross73  msg me  12:40, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi there! Sorry, [User:Sergecross73|, I missed the actualization you made, I was waiting for your response back when I posted here for the last time and forget to check if you answered. I totally forget about this. I tried to PM you, but It won´t surprise me if I didn´t did it correctly. You have my word, I have an excel with all the sources for the games. Will you please made the "panel" for me? I will fill it once you make the overall "panel". I am afraid I shall not be able to do that as quick as you surely will do it, And I don´t want to keep the article unsourced any longer. So Please, can you help me with the overall structure? Thanks Aldaren (talk) 03:07, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Hey there. No, I hadn't gotten any private messages from you, but Wikipedia doesn't really have a "private message" system, just a method of emailing people who have any email attached to their account. WP:EMAIL can help you with this in the future, though I feel most things are just as easily discussed publicly on talk pages like we're going. Anyways, as far as moving forward goes.
 * I've set up a rough draft space at User:Aldaren/Game sharing. You can work on the article there. People can see it, but only by clicking on this link, so much of the general population of readers probably won't happen upon it. You can work on whatever there, outside of the obvious stuff. (No vandalism, illegal content, etc.)
 * I've set up a table there for you, but its just a rough guess at the layout you'd want. I still haven't seen any of your content, so I still don't know what info you plan on showing. Luckily, its pretty simple to make your own tables - see HELP:TABLES for help on this.
 * WP:REFB will help you on adding references.
 * If you want to look at the last version of the old article, you can look here.
 * Let me know if you have any questions. I can try to assist in implementation once you start putting information in the article or on the rough draft's talk page too. (User talk:Aldaren/Game sharing). Sergecross73   msg me  16:51, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! that table you set up for me was pretty much the thing I needed the most. Anyways, the structure of the old table is the most useful one. Can you please "copy" it and put it in my draft so I can work with it? I only need one more column (to put "source" or "support"). That´s the only change I need. I will also need to expand the original table since I found like 5-8 more gamesharing sourced games than the original list, but once I can edit the table I hope I can do that by myself 2.137.161.146 (talk) 22:33, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I've added the latest version of the article to your draft, per your request. Sergecross73   msg me  12:36, 11 August 2016 (UTC)