Talk:List of Pokémon (421–440)

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Text in this article was merged from the following articles: Cherrim, Shellos, Gastrodon, Ambipom, Drifloon, Drifblim, Buneary, Lopunny, Mismagius, Honchkrow, Glameow, Purugly, Chingling, Stunky, Skuntank, Bronzor, Bronzong, Bonsly, Mime Jr., and Happiny. --- RockMFR 17:00, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

From Talk:Shellos
The following was on the talk page of the Shellos article and is still relevant, IMO. 69.182.79.35 09:04, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Third forms discovered!
This may have been known for a while, but not until now have I actually been interested. My brother claims he actually found the alternate Shellos outside the Valley Windworks while training his Buizel a while back. He mentioned it to me, who, at the time, didn't know about the third forms, and I told him to catch it because I realized that it was the Eastern Shellos with the Western's coloring (which, according to a sprite sheet I later saw on Serebii.net, is how these "third forms" appear when fought). He instead killed it for Experience Points for his Buizel. Then I forgot about it and learned about the alternate forms.

Just now, he reminded me he'd seen a third form of Shellos and that he saw its sprite on PokemonElite2000 as the second frame. I looked it up, and sure enough, the second male frames for Shellos and Gastrodon are, in fact, the front sprites for these betas, just as I saw them on Serebii.net -- the Eastern forms with the Western coloring. Don't believe me? Check for yourself.

If my brother did actually find this third form of Shellos, it was likely a fluke or a glitch, but this could very well be a revolution for the world of Shellos and Gastrodon. These third forms could very well be catchable. Thank you for your time. I hope that these "third" front and back sprites found in the coding can be mentioned in the article. Teamrocketspy621 23:17, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

It's a shiny pokemon
 * No, shiny Shellos don't trade colors the way the Nidos do. A shiny west Shellos (pink) is just lighter pink and a shiny east Shellos (blue) is just lighter blue.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 16:39, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * There is indeed a 3rd form programmed into the game, though it appears to be a beta leftover. It'd be interesting if you find a way for it to be encountered. I compiled images of them here. DanPMK 21:56, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Whoa. Wtf is wit that third Gastrodon? o__o
 * Maybe these are for what a Shellos in Johto is like...if they remake GSC...—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 22:07, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The back frames make it look like some sort of hybrid, but the front ones don't seem to match up.Gargomon251 18:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Separate articles
I think we should make seperate articles for the pokemon cuz da udaz do, and it's stupid to put em togetha and sum don't even hav any info unda dem —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * ...I-I-I'm sorry, what? Was that English? 70.44.146.95 01:15, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The other Pokemon are also being put into articles like this, and the ones without info will soon have info. --Teggles 23:40, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Surely it was better with individual and comprehensive articles instead of this horrific abortion. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

I have to agree with the others. The individual articles were much better because they contained much more information than they do now. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * No, that's completely wrong. The other articles just had "filler content" at the start which is in every article (it's nothing about the Pokemon creature), and the rest is game guide stuff (e.g. Lopunny has this technique, Lopuny gets X at level Y) or original research (e.g. Lopunny's name means X). The last two are "banned" from Wikipedia and the first is obviously not going to be in this article. --Teggles 08:58, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia:Sign your posts on Talk Pages. And the consensus that has been recently reached is that this is Wikipedia, not Poképedia. Therefore, while information found in the individual articles would undoubtedly be of importance to Pokémon gamers, it is all either unsourced or fancruft, and must be summarily terminated. Regards, The Raven's Apprentice (PokéNav 11:16, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That's ridiculous. That's like saying wikipedia isn't Musicpedia and therefore shouldn't have individual information on every song from an album. I'm so opposed to this change it hurts. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

This was an utterly horrible decision. All the other articles actually included stuff besides "Oh, gee, Purugly is a pokemon that resembles a cat! Moving on!"... 70.44.146.95 21:28, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, the other articles had "Oh, gee, here's some game guide information that's taken from Bulbapedia but is banned in Wikipedia! By the way, here's something we just guessed the name might mean!" As much as editors and readers want to deny it, that stuff is not for Wikipedia. If we removed the policy violations from individual articles, they'd be absolutely tiny. I could do that, but WP:FICT states to merge minor characters - excuse me if I'm mistaken, but Purugly is no Pikachu. --125.238.145.35 00:30, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Well then bring back the individual articles for legendary pokemon. They're definitely not minor characters so they should have their own articles. --67.162.57.85 14 July 2007
 * Can you provide any real-world info relating to them? Mewtwo and Lugia, that's all I think have any. The rest, however important to the franchise, must be merged if there's no real-world info. --The Raven's Apprentice (PokéNav 06:24, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Incidentally, about the songs-- There are enough reliable secondary sources that talk about the composition and reception of several individual songs. Not so for each individual Pokémon. --The Raven's Apprentice (PokéNav 03:08, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Bad descision
Why did all these Pokёmon articles have to be merged? In my opinion, they were fine as their own individual articles like every other Pokēmon. Ekansonic55 02:38, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Not only do the individual articles fail WP:N (there needs to be significant coverage of them in secondary (non-official) sources), but WP:FICT states to merge minor characters (these are obviously minor characters) into a list. --Teggles 02:52, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay then. At least, could you people add information that was in the individual articles? Such as stats, abilities, etc?

And just a note, no poke'mon is really a "minor character". They all have some role in the games, and the anime. Except maybe Porygon. Ekansonic55 03:16, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not so sure about that, but I won't toss it out the window; might be possible although we would have to make a new template for it. Opinions anyone? -WarthogDemon 03:19, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Well I've asked what I think you're asking for on the Wikiproject talk page. -WarthogDemon 03:25, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * And to add on to that, the thing is the little infoboxes on the lists already show the type and name and what it evolves from and too . . . that just leaves generation, height, and weight an I'm not too sure if that'll be worth creating boxes for. Not being a pessimist, but just throwing in my two cents. -WarthogDemon 03:29, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Links Added
Added the Links to their pages. -I PWN U ALL 05:16, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

What's the point?!
This really seems kind of pointless and all around irritating to me. Not all of us fans use Bulbapedia, as it's not very easily navigable to some extent, and it's also extremely slow compared to this site.

I'm sure I'm not the only one that thinks the pokemon need to just stick with their own page for each species. I can imagine many others were as stunned as I was when they went to look up information on a Pokemon and they suddenly got some half-arsed list that tells absolutely nothing. I mean, it doesn't even give height/weight information anymore! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * New comments to the bottom! Height/weight is a totally negligible aspect of gameplay, even though it's verifiable. And mind mentioning what other information can be mentioned using reliable sources, eliminating episode synopses and game guides and supposed name origins? --The Raven's Apprentice (PokéNav 14:30, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * As for supposed name origins, the list should include ones with obvious origins. I mean, your basic retard can tell "Ekans" is "snake" backwards and "Turtwig" is a portmanteux of Turtle and Twig. 70.44.146.95 01:20, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I fully agree. What is with this!? Poke'mon each deserve their own articles, to give as much info on each poke'mon as much as possible. Who cares if Honchkrow and Loppunny are "Minor Characters"? A lot of information about them was simply lost. Ekansonic55 04:00, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I doubt you clicked any of those links. Answer my question instead of strongly stating your personal opinon without a rationale. --The Raven's Apprentice (PokéNav 06:26, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the statement that Pokemon each deserve their own articles. And I actually have clicked on Lopunny and Honchcrow and Aipom and Abra and so on! Just because some of you find it useless doesn't mean we all do. Some of us actually use that information. And why do the individual articles bother the lot of you doing the lists anyway? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thedarkchao93 (talk • contribs).
 * Click those links. Those articles violate Wikipedia policies. --The Raven's Apprentice (PokéNav 06:16, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Also see Notability (fiction). Fun Pika  14:33, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

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Bowling trophy
Is the part about the Gengar/Skuntank bowling trophy true? I've beaten PMD2 and I see no clue of that. Is it after you get Master Rank? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.210.168.207 (talk) 18:36, 22 May 2008 (UTC)