Talk:List of Righteous Among the Nations by country

List?
Is this the official list from yad vashem, or does it include others? Gzuckier 21:33, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It's up to us. What would you prefer? ←Humus sapiens ну? 23:51, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, that's the question, so to speak. It's linked from List_of_people_who_assisted_Jews_during_the_Holocaust, which has a list of people but is not complete; neither is this list complete, and there are people on each list that are not on the other. For my money, I'd like to see an official Yad Vashem list, if that's possible, and another list with those not included on the Yad Vashem list, maybe in addition to the Yad Vashemlist? Or a List_of_people_who_assisted_Jews_during_the_Holocaust but are not on Yad Vashem? Gzuckier 20:29, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

The list should, as the lemma states, just include those people which are officially recognized by Yad Vashem.Gugganij (talk) 13:04, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Should this be in Alphabetical order?
This appears to be in random order, or descending by Total number (with the exception of Turkey at the end), even though we don't link to every one. Wouldn't it be easier to just alphabetize them by Nation? - A.J. 00:02, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Lack of references
The list should be referenced properly. Does Yad Vashem provide a list of those people it officially recognized as Righteous Among the Nations? Gugganij (talk) 13:04, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I added an unreferenced-tag. The term "Righteous Among the Nations" has a specific meaning, therefore the list should just include those who has been awarded this title by Israel. Gugganij (talk) 14:24, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

WARNING: Somebody has added Francisco Franco to those listed in Spain!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.37.131.155 (talk) 10:12, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I emailed Yed Vashem about the issue of Franco being listed and I got this response from its Director, Irena Steinfeldt:

It is indeed a mistake. Francisco Franco was never recognized as Righteous Among the Nations. We are presentely working on an upgraded website, where we will also put all the names of the Righteous recognized by Yad Vashem. Hopefully the site will be up within a couple of months. Thank you for informing us and for your interest. Irena Steinfeldt

Director, Righteous Among the Nations Department

Yad Vashem

P.O.B. 3477

91034 Jerusalem

Tel: 972-2-6443 521

Fax: 972-2-6443 743

email: irena.steinfeldt@yadvashem.org.il

www.yadvashem.org

So I'll delete his name right away. Also, an update with the official list should be nice when it comes out as they say.JorgeGT (talk) 12:05, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Percentages
It would be interesting to add percentages showing how large part of a given country populace received the medals. If country A with population of 100 got 50 medals, and country B with population of 1000 got 100 medals, country B would look "better" in total numbers, but much worse in the percentages (10% to 50%).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 15:14, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


 * This suggestion is both sick and disturbing. The efforts in honoring the memory of the Righteous finds its roots (partially) in the need to supersede the methodological and statistical thoroughness the Nazis had minutely applied in committing their genocide. Your suggestion that the data be scaled to ease some sort of twisted comparison is reminiscent of these frightening statistics. The work of those awarding the title of Righteous is precisely to investigate each individual human story behind the numbers. Anyway, on a (sickening) practical level, not only would the total number of people saved have to be scaled by the total number of possible saviors but more importantly it would have to be scaled by the total number of "savable" ones. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.57.15.217 (talk) 20:58, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Yad Vashem's virtual wall of honour
Yad Vashem published a virtual wall of honour for those recognized as Righteous among Nations (see here). Gugganij (talk) 23:42, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Expansion
Serbia is the only country that does not have any prominent individuals. Lets work on this. Please reply here and not on my talk page since a lot of racist people follow my edits and i dont want to bring them here.Mike Babic (talk) 09:12, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I notice that Monsignor Hugh O'Flaherty is not listed. I am not sure if someone wants to start a new section for Ireland, but I thought I'd point it out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.97.69.26 (talk) 20:23, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Official figures
I updated the figures using Yad Vashems statistics. I removed those countries not listed there, since I think we should rely solely on official figures. Gugganij (talk) 20:58, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Turkey
According the article : Turkey also became a country of asylum. Close to 100,000 Jews from German-occupied Europe made Turkey their country of first asylum. Jews from various parts of occupied Europe found temporary asylum in Turkey that ultimately resulted in their resettlement, mostly in Palestine and subsequently in Israel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.245.27.172 (talk) 09:23, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Schindler lived in what is now the Czech Republic
Schindler spoke German but he lived in what is now the Czech Republic. Shouldn't he be listed under the Czech Republic rather than Germany? Epa101 (talk) 18:51, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Dominican Republic?
The text accompanying this entry states that "The late dictator Rafael Trujillo and the Dominican Republic are not on the List of the Righteous among the Nations..." In that case, shouldn't the entry be deleted? It reads a bit too much like "this person *should* be on the List", which is not the point of the article. 109.149.143.15 (talk) 02:02, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I removed the text: "The late dictator Rafael Trujillo and the Dominican Republic are not on the List of the Righteous among the Nations though Trujillo’s Dominican Republic at the Évian Conference in 1938 was the only country to offer to take in Jewish refugees (100,000). The Dominican Republic admitted over eight-hundred Jewish refugees before Germany curbed the exodus.  Two years prior to the Évian Conference Trujillo ordered the killing of over 30,000 Dominicans, most of Haitian descent. )"


 * I also removed the section for Mexico, which is premature. There is a petition underway to add Gilberto Bosques Saldívar, former consul in Nazi-occupied France. Goustien (talk) 19:15, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Somebody restored the Dominican Republic about a week after you got rid of it. I've changed its count from 1 to 0, as a temporary fix until others decide whether the Trujillo note should be kept or not. Tlhslobus (talk) 19:39, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Trjillo is irrelevant: he is not on the list. Period. If there was notable coverage of the issue in reliable sources, then it belongs to the main article, Righteous among the Nations, which may contain a separate section to discuss various controversies and complaints. Staszek Lem (talk) 02:08, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Switzerland
Would you please change the total number of saved jews on the list? Thank you.

Switzerland (total: over 60,000)

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/archive/Righteous_Swiss_who_saved_thousands_of_Jews.html?cid=664188 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.83.204.16 (talk) 01:29, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Republic Of Ireland - Mary Elmes added, Hugh O' Flaherty removed
O'Flaherty's Talk page has a discussion which makes it clear that he is not (or at least not yet) recognised by Yad Vashem. It also makes it clear that Mary Elmes is recognised (although their online database currently stops at 1 January 2013, so her May 2013 inclusion, as reported in The Irish Times citation, presumably comes too late for her to be found online at Yad Vashem). To avoid possible future problems due archiving of the O'Flaherty Talk Page, I'm copying the relevant e-mail from Yad Vashem (to somebody called Mr Mitchell, not to me) from that Talk Page to here:

email from yad Vashem

Dear Mr. Mitchell,

The case of Mgr. O'Flaherty is well-known in our department, but unfortunately we are unable to do much about it in terms of submitting it for the consideration of the Commission for the Designation of the Righteous.

The problem is that although everyone "knows" that O'Flaherty saved "many Jewish lives", no one has yet to actually name a person who was rescued by him. So the question remains: who did Mgr. O'Flaherty rescue, and who can testify on his behalf? We have printed ads in the papers several times over the years, asking people to come forward and tell us what they know – but no one ever did. So the case remains open until we find evidence for his actions.

I have to say that the name of Delia Murphy is new to me - are you able to tell me what you know of her involvement?

Also please note that the Cork-born Mary Elmes has just been recognized as Righteous for her actions in the Rivesaltes camp in France. Stories keep reaching us, even so many years later, and I would not be surprised if other stories of Irish rescuers would turn up in the future.

Kind regards,

Gili Diamant גילי דיאמנט Righteous Among the Nations dept. | Yad Vashem מחלקת חסידי אומות העולם | יד ושם Tel. +972-(0)2-6443166 Fax. +972-(0)2-6443743 gili.diamant@yadvashem.org.il

Tlhslobus (talk) 08:14, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

URGENT ATTENTION REQUIRED
This page contains a long list of names under headings, but all headings other than two are incorrect, and wrongly attribute every section but two to Amsterdam. I fixed the entry for Hungary. Leegee23 (talk) 06:56, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Duplicated list
The list below removed from main article, Righteous among the Nations to avoid content forking. Please douible-check if this list has some additional info to me merged into article of this talk page. Staszek Lem (talk) 02:36, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

By country and ethnic origin
These figures are not necessarily an indication of the actual number of Jews saved in each country, but reflect material on rescue operations made available to Yad Vashem. See List of Righteous among the Nations by country for names of individuals.

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Would it be possible to fill in bios for everyone listed?
Especially in the cases of a single or a handful from one country, it seems worthwhile to obtain information, maybe from Yad Vashem, for them. I will do what I can personally but it is a big job.--Jrm2007 (talk) 11:24, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

plese add Israel
i found Jew who saved Christian. There is RS Aron Shaviv saved 149. http://thelandofisrael.com/meet-the-jew-who-saved-149-christian-lives/ 99.90.196.227 (talk) 02:43, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Not yet listed
List of Righteous Among the Nations by country I was looking for the Frietsche (spelling?) family, parents, a boy and a girl wo lived on the Emmalaan in Baarn, Netherlands The Frietsches hid Mr. Mrs., and Peter Rollman(n). After WW II the Roll family became our neighbours on the Emmalaan. Peter Horn User talk 22:29, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Should the word "liberty" be used here?
"These people risked their lives or their liberty and position to help Jews during the Holocaust"

No doubt they risked their lives and their position, but the usage of the word liberty here seems off since the word liberty rarely refers to personal liberty when used standalone but civil liberties — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.101.74.84 (talk) 10:33, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Bad
It is very bad and confusing 2600:1700:3AD8:14F0:DDFD:5EC3:1A57:BB4E (talk) 02:01, 18 January 2022 (UTC)