Talk:List of Saiyans in Dragon Ball/Archive 1

Voice Actors
John Burgmeier (guy who voices Tien) voiced Toma/Tora in Bardock the Father of Goku, not Mike McFarland. Dameon Clarke (voice of Cell) is Paragus' voice actor. Source: The actual credits of the movies.

The Saiyans Have Been Raped
I'm sorry, but that's the only thing that can accurately describe the monstrous events that have taken place. First, nearly every article made on a Saiyan was condensed into one or two paragraphs per character and stuck in this article. Then, all of the images on this page have randomly disappeared. Now, the entire article of Broly has been deleted. So a character that has been in three feature films, plus about half a dozen video games, is suddenly no longer noteworthy? Yet characters like Lawrence Gordon (Saw), who has only been featured in one movie and one comic (with a split-second cameo in another movie), continues to have his own article? I think that there is a general bias against certain forms of fictional media, on the whole, across Wikipedia. The S 02:46, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, although some Saiyans aren't worth much, you have a point there. Some characters regardless of screentimes and importance just don't matter to Wikipedia. You could say their importance to the story was paramount and STILL the know-it-all admins would just ignore your statement. Example, Vegetto is worthy of an article because he isa fusion of two main characters but as I said does story importance don't matter to some Wikipedians. I'm looking Specifically at the guy who approved and carried out the deletion f Vegetto's article.

Why do I get the dark feeling they'll do this to Goku and Vegeta next? MightyKombat 11:16, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, this is a stupid thing indeed. Its not just dragon ball Z. They did the same thing to Bionicle and Digimon.

I guess that next dragon ball is going to be "raped" and just briefly mentioned under mangas and anime. Whatever (personal opinion) Yerk! did this kind of change should be... lets say.. Naaaaahh no need to..

Vegetto Name spelling
In the Funimation dub, his name wasn't spelled Vegito. It was spelled Vegetto. This can also be proven by two of episode names Meet Vegetto and Vegetto... Downsized. So I'm deleting this. It's only spelled Vegito in the Budokai games. Ryu Ematsu

Its spelled Vegito in the Funimation dub. You should go check it out http://www.myfavoritegames.com/detail.aspx?i=Screenshots%2fDragonball_Z%2f15._Fusion_Saga%2f254._Meet_Vegito%2f254-00.jpg

The recent cleanup
While I myself have been pondering how to tidy this thing up, I don't agree with how it currently is. Whereas before it just looked sloppy, it now looks... amateurish. And both Onio and Onion are totally gone. The S 05:49, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

lets just say that people should be more aware of what to delete. 193.71.156.193 18:27, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Zorn?
I recall seeing some time ago that King Vegeta's advisor was named Zorn. Is this indeed true? Searching Zorn + Saiyan on Google only yields fanfiction and RP's, whereas any sites that would indicate that this Saiyan is indeed named Zorn do not resolve. The S 19:44, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

You are correct, at least the English dub refers to this Saiyan as Zorn. However, his role is so minor, I don't think he's really worth a mention. He may have only one line and it was only one scene and had no impact on the story at all. Then again, the article IS about the Saiyans in general, so I guess it would be safe to add him, but the paragraph about him would be short and very vague.4.252.214.222 19:13, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Is that English as in England, or as in American? The S 05:49, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I heard of him in the American Dub, he's in episode 64. He should be added being that he is a saiyan with an actual name and a couple lines in episode. Lucasthalefty 19:34, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh P.S. he's in the episode called "Fighting Power One Million" if you decide to learn about him or get a picture, i was trying with the picture but my stupid media player won't work right with the print screen, i know it normally doesn't but it used to and now i can't make it work again, there isn't really a clear solo image of him, King Vegeta is in most of the shots.

Tullece
If someone thought that Tullece didn't deserve his own article enough to stick him in here (which hurts my head with the lack of logic), they could have at least touched upon the important parts of his history... his appearance as a ghost warrior in DBZ Gaiden isn't even mentioned. The S 16:28, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I honestly think Tullece should have had his own article. It had more details in it. Dark Rain.

Yeah,I agree. Having Vegito redirect here is also rather unintelligent. HE had his own article that was perfect. this compressing of perfectly fine Wikipedia articles is really, really, stupid. It should stop

Celipa
Celipa is not Goku's mother. Son Goku was born during the time she and Bardock's other crew were destroying Kanassa. There is also no indication in the Bardock special to support this conclusion. User:Karritto 1:52, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


 * It could have been a secret relationship, and Fasha could have easily suggested that the birthing was the previous day in order to avoid rumours of her sexual relationship with Bardock spreading around. And another thing: Fasha bears a striking resemblance to Videl, Bardock's granddaughter-in-law. It only fits that Goku is the son of Bardock and Fasha and that they wanted to keep the whole thing a secret. Where was it actually proven that Goku was born during the Kanassa Invasion, other than Fasha suggesting it? Jienum
 * I'd just like to note that Videl wasn't from Goku's bloodline, but Mr. Satan's. So, resembling Videl is irrelevant.


 * Saiyans aren't supossed to feel love, or get married, or attatched in any way. If Fasha and Bardock had a kid, they wouldn't keep it a secret. There would be no point. Also, that is speculation, a.k.a Not allowed on Wikipedia.KojiDude 20:32, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * As with the Celipa issue to say saiyans aren't supposed to feel love is just speculation and again a no-no.

Cell
Cell is a sayian too. He has sayian blood/cells in him. I'd add him to the list but im no good at describing things or people. Someone please add him or tell me why he was not added before. KojiDude 00:14, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Uh, did you forget that Cell is an android? Androids and Saiyans are NOT the same.
 * Cell's not an Android, he has no mechanical parts at all. He's purely organic.  He's a hybrid Saiya-jin, just like all the children.172.138.249.241
 * Right, but he was infused with sayian dna, and so you could say he was a Saiyan. Not that I'd agree with that, however. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Firepoet (talk • contribs) 02:11, 28 March 2007 (UTC).

Not really. Cell refers to himself as an Android, so that he'll stay. Madness 12:55, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Carlos
Who is Carlos? I dont remember him being a saiyan and he doesnt show up with the edit page either. Hacker?

Uh, duh MightyKombat 12:56, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Kakerot?
Shouldn't this page mention Goku's original Saiyan name of Kakerot (and it's pun on "Carrot")? I dunno, I feel like it should. --Onslaught Six 4:12, 7 May 2006 (EST)


 * Oh, it already says that on his full article. Funnybunny (talk/Counter Vandalism Unit) 02:28, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Wasn't Goku also the first Saiyan to reach Super Saiyan 2 also? I thought he showed it to Gohan at one point before he became one to defeat cell, i think I heard the hyperbolic time chamber but i'm not sure. 216.255.123.98 13:25, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

No, Goku showed the USSJ and the USSJ2 forms to Gohan, highlighting their shortcoming and why he'd prefer to fight in his FPSSJ form. Madness 12:54, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Movie
Alot of the charecters that appear in movies don't have it listed

Don't have what listed? Please be more specific. Madness 12:53, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

God...
God...its Freiza, not Freeza
 * No that's the dub. The original spelling is more correct. Noneofyourbusiness 13:12, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
 * You didn't even spell the dub spelling correctly, the dub spells it as Frieza. Takuthehedgehog 21:58, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Vegeta Jr.
His section says that Bra claimed to be his grandmother. I don't think Bra was even shown in the future. Can anyone confirm or debunk this?
 * The woman who is with him is not Bra, it is her descendent.Muchi 01:31, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Well I don’t really remember who was shown in the future but I would have to say that it is more likely that its trunks descendent due to the fact that bra got an x chromosome from her father which would mean that who ever she had kids with would replace with their y if they had a boy though some of vegeta's DNA would still be floating around it would be more reasonable to think that its Trunk's descendent given they fact that the y chromosome would be around for at least one more generation and given the strong resemblance I think that is a safe conclusion to make. No original research is allowed on Wikipedia. The S 02:20, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Saegi and Kollifum power levels
what are Saegi and Kollifum power levels compaired to Raditz User:Kami-Sama


 * Nobody knows all the exact power levels. I'd like to ask you to stop asking for power levels on all the articles. Talk pages are for discussing the article, not things like power levels.-- Koji Dude  19:54, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Pictures of Bardock's team
First, do you think we should add Tiencha or whatever his name is to the Misc section? We have Onio and he's not even a DBZ character, but a character from a parody of DBZ. Scratch that. Do you think we could add a pic of Seripa, because I have a picture of her and wanted to know if it would be all right to upload it before I actually do. Sasuk e  -kun  27  01:53, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Why add Tiencha? He's not even a Saiyan. About the picture, I think you should upload it.-- Atomic -Super  -Suit What Have I Done?! 05:16, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Whoops, my bad. I meant to add that to the List of Dragon Ball characters talk page, not that I think he's going to be added. Forget I said anything about him, its not going to happen. Anyway, do you think we should add a picture of Panbukin and Topato while we're at it? Sasuk  e  -kun  27  14:51, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


 * In my opinion, what good's an article without pictures? I think yeah you should add it.-- Atomic -Super  -Suit What Have I Done?! 16:24, 8 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I could only find a picture of Seripa. I'll go ahead and upload that and see what happens. うち  はサ  スケ  27  16:31, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

King Vegeta
King Vegeta's bio states he is the only full blodded saiyan in the anime who doesn't have black hair, but in Kollifum's and Saegi's bio it says they don't have black hair either. Can anyone shed some light? Or do we need to change King Vegeta's info a little? CPitt76 02:20, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Paragus
Does Paragus really need his own page? He only makes one appearence and a small cameo in Movie 12, I don't think thats enough to get his own page. Takuthehedgehog 21:56, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't believe he does.

K/Collifum and Saegi
Where is the source that these two characters are named as such? The S 20:24, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Until some evidence can be produced, I have changed these characters' names to the ones used in the Famicom game "Dragon Ball Z: Kyoushuu! Saiyajin". The S 17:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

The same day?
"The Legendary Super Saiyan who was born on planet Vegeta, the same day as Goku, the day Frieza destroyed planet Vegeta." "In the movie Broly: The Legendary Super Saiyan, he (King Vegeta) ordered both Broly and his father Paragus' assassination because he was afraid of the child's growing power level."

But didn't king Vegeta die when planet Vegeta was destroyed? Then did the king ordered to kill Broly on the day himself died? Just a few hours before his death? --Acepectif 09:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok if you going to put the story togther it be like this. King Vegeta order the killing of Broly earlier that day. And for info that same day King Vegeta was killed on Freeza's ship when he went to confront Freeza and rescue his son (Vegeta) and get him back from Freeza's hands. Freeza killed K. Vegeta first hand with a swift kick that killed K. Vegeta. So that happened second and after that was when Burdock (Bardock) confronted Freeza and Freeza killed him and destroyed the Planet Vegeta. So ya all that happened in the same day.
 * Heat P 21:57, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

This section should really be called Broly

Who said Broly was born as a Super Saiyan, thats the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard. Goku had a power level of over a million before he became a Super Saiyan so this is extreamly unlikely. In The only glimpses of broly as a baby and even a teenager he still wasn't a Super Saiyan. I took that foolish comment out and please if you have any gripe about it post here first before adding a remark with no validity to it. Lucasthalefty 21:13, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Uh, the movie says so. And in the flash backs to when he was a teen he *was* a Super Saiya-jin already.  That's why his aura was pink.  The color shifting for the flash back made it pink when it would have otherwise been golden.  Plus there's the fact that, you know, he's based on the Legend which speaks of a Super Saiya-jin being BORN.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

name change
To remain consistent this article's title should probably be changed to "List of Saiyans", or change all the corresponding articles about saiyans to include "in Dragon Ball" --Ditre 19:57, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

WTF?!
What happened to Gogeta and Gotenks' wiki articles? They were good articles about important characters. Why were they deleted?
 * See the discussions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dragon Ball-- 양 복  42 05:29, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree, Gotenks at least was an important character. Madness 15:16, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Why did so many articels get merged. I think that every Character should get a own articel!

Merging important characters like Vegetto and Gotenks was a stupid idea. There's lots of information about them and their attacks that can and actually was expanded upon. Whoever came up with the idea of merging these two articles is retarded.

I wholeheartedly agree. I mean, if unimportant characters get their own article like Raditz why can't the Fusions get their own page? It makes no sense! Its like saying that the Han Solo page should be merged with "LIst of Star Wars characters" or whatever and some guy who appeared in the background of the Cantina scene desevresa page twice the normal length! MightyKombat 18:15, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Gogeta and gotenks should have their own articl becouse both had a major role in the series.Charles Locke20:38, 12 March 2007

Its not just mergings but the Wiki article about power levels which was really good got deleted, all thats left is the list of power levels on the show and half of them are guessed. this is ridiculous, why would the DBZ project want to get rid of this? it seems like they're doing more damage then good  with things like this and the worst part is that the page got voted down or something so now it can't be brought back. Lucasthalefty 21:17, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

It's insane!!! It's like giving, lets see, the horse's head from Godfather a VERY LONG page whereas Vito Corleone gets a very small boxout! CHANGE IT BACK!!! MightyKombat 12:37, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Why are you people still complaining about this? Go do something productive. Nemu 12:43, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh come on, they're ruining themselves! Sooner or later they'll merge Goku with this list and create a 2x long article for the Farmer With shotgun!

Foolish people this is not a feaking forum. If you go a problem, bring it up to the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dragon Ball. Stop with the nonsense blabbing. AGAIN GOT A PROBLEM GO TO WP:DBZ AND STOP FORUMING HERE. Heat P 19:04, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Whats with this talk about Burdock(Bardock) only being in a movie and manga?
I know for a fact during the fight with Freiza in the show, Burdock(bardock) is shown in a flash back saying my Son lives. also Freeza is spelled wrong, its Frieza spelled with a i before e. Also King Vegeta appeared in the show as well. He was seen talking to a child Vegeta about his birthright and about the legendary super Saiyan. Who ever wrote this article is not very fluent in the Dragon ball Subject, or is bias to only the manga Yami 21:09, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, you're wrong mate. Freeza is the original spelling and it was changed to Frieza in the Funimation and Ocean dub. Madness 12:38, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Anime filler = Anime, Improve Bra and Pan's section.
I've removed the Anime Filler with Anime only. Anime filler basically means they only exist in the Anime, the filler word is not needed, as the article talks freely about Movies and GT. Second, somebody please improve the grammar in Bra's section, third, howcome Bra gets a paragraph and a picture while Pan only gets a line? Can somebody upload her pic and write a little more detail about her please? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Params7 (talk • contribs) 15:59, 8 March 2007 (UTC).

Burdock
Shouldn't Burdock get his own article? I know he doesn't feature much in the series, but he is a main character with a substantial role (he fought Freeza).

(Please, the spelling Freeza is correct. FUNimation spell it wrongly as Frieza)

I really don't think so I think the article about the movie is pretty much his article. Skaterchild3 22:47, 19 July 2007 (UTC) I think he should. He's popular

No, Burdock never appeared in the regular series. The scene you're referring to came from the movie (though someone may have cut it into an episode much later on). Cobratom 02:19, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Features
I was reading the section on Goku Jr. when I saw it stated he has certain features that resemble Gohan, ChiChi, etc. I don't think that we should say who he looks like, because that is really more a matter of opinion. (Personally, I thin he looks like Goten, so it's all about perspective.)

This dont make no sence
Who messed up this articale. people are getting their articals erased and put on here. this aint right. Supah Dude [14 april 2007]
 * It was decided by consensus that these pages be merged. And at least try to use correct spelling and grammar-- $U IT  15:51, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

It matters little how well his grammar is. Especially his the point he is making is in focus. Not everybody has the same English knowledge. Yet Wiki states that everyone can contribute. Keep your elitism out please?193.71.156.193 18:21, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Gogeta
I edited gogeta, saying that he is a contradiction to the fusion rules due to the fact that vegeta is shorter than goku... Why did, whoever it was, change it?GreenAiden555 16:53, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Probably because that's original research, which is not allowed. (See WP:OR). It obviously it allowed, since it's canon. -Paulbkirk 14:50, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Why would it be considered that? It's a fact vegeta is shorter than goku.GreenAiden555 16:53, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, but it's obviously not a contradiction to fusion, since it happened. Also, if you want to get specific, the rules for fusion say the two people must be of similar height and power, not exact. Trunks was taller and stronger than Goten and they made it happen. -Paulbkirk 18:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Onoin??
can someone please fix the desrciption for onion i have heard very little about this character so cant fix it but i for one know that "just married" and "grabbing Breast" does not happen with this character.

Derrho 04:49, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I think you mean Onio, and yes, all of that did occur. There is nothing to fix. The S 04:11, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Vegetto
This article states that Vegetto is his SSJ is stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta, yet the Old Kai states that SSJ4 Goku is stronger than Vegetto, so that would mean that Gogeta is stronger than Vegetto.

GuardianFayt 09:25, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Vegetto has been proven stronger than Gogeta before, the Elder Kai states the Potara Fusion is stronger than the Dance Fusion method, I forgot it's real name so sorry about that.

And i don't remember Old Kai Saing that. I remember hearing Goku Say its stronger that Gotenks

Why This Page sux
All this merging has got to stop. Most of the pages were going strong till they merged them into this pile of worthless crap.
 * "Going strong"? The reason we merged them was because they were the exact opposite: They were minor characters with exsessively long plot summaries and no real information otherwise. // Decaimiento Poético  18:06, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Fighting about spelling
I call for a moratorium on all complaints about the spelling of names. Any claim of "original spellings" is nonsense. Considering the original Manga is in Japanese, any English "spellings" at all are merely a "best guess" to get the pronunciation right. So whether it's Freeza, Frieza, or Frieza, they're ALL right, because the pronunciation is as close as it's gonna get to what comes from the original Japanese. If you want to talk about the original spellings, use Japanese characters. Cobratom 02:17, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Changes
Who the hell deleted the original character pages? It was all fine until you noobs deleted them.