Talk:List of Schindlerjuden

Translations please
The abbreviation “ang.“ stands for “angelernt“ and is often translated as „semi-skilled“. It means that the person was trained on the job and did not complete a formal apprenticeship. The abbreviation”Metallverarb.” stands for “Metallverarbeiter” and means “metal worker”. “Schlosserges.” is short for “Schlossergeselle”; a “Schlosser” is a specialised metal worker and “Geselle” is a journeyman, i.e. somebody who has completed an apprenticeship, but is not (yet) a master. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.171.87.31 (talk) 14:26, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Would it be possible for a German speaker to translate the profession listed next to each name? Thanks for the help. --Ebakunin (talk) 04:37, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Machine translation would not work, as many of the job descriptions are abbreviated, e.g. "ang. Metallverarb.". Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:42, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Has anyone yet worked out what an "ang. Metallverarb." or a "Schlosserges." etc are? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 08:17, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I do not have a Wikipedia-account, but I'm German and can shed some light on this:

Nice list, Schindler
I noticed several names on the list with birth dates such as "1995" which would have been long after WWII and the movie. I think what was meant here was "1895" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.210.181.249 (talk) 04:25, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
 * but it's incomplete
 * and yeah I am German and I could translate those professions, but you have to complete the list first —Preceding unsigned comment added by Artanis-EN (talk • contribs) 19:54, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It only goes as far as the letter 'I'. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:49, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It now goes up to partway through Klip-. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 16:20, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a directory
The articles Oskar Schindler and Schindler's list are interesting and highly relevant. But I do not see the encyclopedic value of the list itself, in view of WP:LSC and WP:Directory. --195.150.224.247 (talk) 05:37, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you might be correct. I think this list should be transcribed to Wikisource. However, the list itself may be a notable topic in its own right. --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 09:15, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Different versions
Am I right in thinking there are several versions of this list? The one held by Yad Vashem seems to differ from the text of the Wikipedia version. For instance, AFTERGUT	Berta is listed first in their facsimile. --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 09:17, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

DT?
What does DT mean in the nationality section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.4.81.225 (talk) 02:33, 5 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I'd say abbreviation for "Deutsch" (German), even though there are some other entries in there that have German listed as the nationality. The names that have "Dt." as nationality suggest that they are Germans. There's also "Holl." in the list, which I assume is "Holländisch" (Dutch), with the names sounding like they could be Dutch. BigBen212 (talk) 20:03, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info, it would be nice if there was 100% certanty as we could then change it. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.4.81.225 (talk) 20:06, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Source of the names?
What is the source of this uncomplete list? If the Yad Vashem Memorial webpage, so it should be mentioned that this list was made by SS-guard in Brnenec (Brünnlitz) in April 1945, not by Schindler or Stern in October 1944 when the transports from Plaszow to Gross-Rosen and Auschwitz started and the original "Schindler's list" was allegedly made. --Honzula (talk) 08:00, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
 * There's another issue the document at Yad Vashem is not a complete list of what is usually called a Schindlerjude (= a jew saved by Schindler during the holocaust), the actual number of those is according to literature around 1000 without about 400 still being alive when Spielberg's movie was made.--Kmhkmh (talk) 00:00, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't understand, what do you mean? The list published on the Yad Vashem includes the names of 801 men and 297 women, which is, actually, more than "Schindler saved". There is no more "complete" list or the list with higher number of names. --Honzula (talk) 15:00, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

not definitive
Why state that the list is definitive, when it actually is not. It only goes up to "K".--Ishtar456 (talk) 20:32, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Translations of occupations
The current list of occupations is partially translated, and somewhat a mess. This is in part because some of the terms don't have a good translation; they are common in German, but archaic in English. In German it is still common to call someone a Geselle or Meister, but you'd find very few plumper journey man. The closest modern English would be certified plumber.

I suggest to keep the original German version (and add a close English translation in brackets), or the other way (keep the original German). This way it can be confirmed what was actually their occupation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ansgarf (talk • contribs) 03:14, 15 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Arzt, Aerztin - physician
 * Bäcker- baker
 * Bauarbeiter - construction worker
 * Bauingenier - civil engineer
 * Bergmann - miner
 * Buchbinder - bookbinder
 * Buchhalter - accountant — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.210.114.106 (talk) 19:03, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Zimmerer - carpenter — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.210.114.106 (talk) 19:06, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Any volunteers?
I think that I am done with my share of compiling this list. Anyone else care to work on it? You can pick up where I have left off at "Mahler" here: http://auschwitz.dk/schindlerslist.htm Hoops gza (talk) 00:38, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Religions?
I was looking through the full list on the site linked in the article and under the "Religion" header most of the abbreviations are "Ju." this one is obviously "Jewish," but there is also a "Sch." and a "PSV" listed. Does anyone know what religions those two stand for? 00:03, 18 February 2013‎ User:174.26.253.105

I also would like to know. 2001:569:703B:7D00:24A9:D188:7057:65A9 (talk) 01:19, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

List being sold


Is that worthy of mention in this article? it is, after all, the only list to be sold so far.Kude90 (talk) 14:58, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Let me add that the auctioner has put some nice photo of the original. This would be useful to complete the list, and I think that the photos should be included here after verification. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.11.236.251 (talk) 21:00, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

My comments -- Jay Jacob Wind
Now the entire list is complete.

Re-programming the entire list in "wikipedia sortable" format, with the entire list, took me 14 hours. I understand why previous authors were challenged by this daunting task.

My singluar motivation was to see my aunt and uncle listed -- Maria (Margot) Wind was incorrectly typed as "Maria Wiener", and Charles (Chaskel) Schlesinger was listed by his Hebrew name, Abraham Schlesinger.

Margot (Wind) Schlesinger is still alive and thriving at 96, and she has traveled all over the Chicago area and the USA to talk about her experience.

Their story begins on page 123 of Elinor J. Brecher's magnificent book "Schindler's Legacy."

-- Jay Jacob Wind -- jay.wind@att.net -- 703-297-4833

Jay.wind (talk) 02:08, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Correcting a typo by Schindler himself
On the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Schindlerjuden the text Jakob	Bierer	1908-2-17	Maschineningenieur (BA is exactly as it appears on Schindler's List, verbatim.

But to satisfy the BracketBot, I arbitrarily added a right parenthesis to mame it Jakob	Bierer	1908-2-17	Maschineningenieur (BA)

Jay.wind (talk) 04:53, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I propose merging this article into Schindlerjuden. Opinions, please? Shalom11111 (talk) 23:24, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Update: The merge was done, however the full list has since been removed from the target article on grounds that it doesn't have enough encyclopedic value (there's still a full record of it in the page's history). Shalom11111 (talk) 18:58, 6 July 2019 (UTC)