Talk:List of Sega Genesis games/Archive 1

Question
To match Wiki-convention, shouldn't the title of this be List of Sega Genesis Games? &mdash;Frecklefoot 19:42, 3 Dec 2003 (UTC)


 * I don't think so; Sega and Genesis are both proper nouns, so have to be capitalised, but otherwise the convention is that only the first word gets a capital. - IMSoP 05:18, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I do think so. They may be proper nouns, but that rule applies in sentences. This is not a sentence it is a TITLE. The heading or TITLE of the Page should be "List of Sega Genesis Games" just like a book title or newspaper/magazine heading.JeremeK (talk) 17:27, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Oops, I think that comment may be left over from before this page was moved. Would have been nice if someone had left a note to say that it had been dealt with, really! - IMSoP 05:27, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)


 * Oh, and if any of these games were released in Europe and/or Japan, list them on List of Sega Mega Drive games WhisperToMe 05:44, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Merge with List of Sega Mega Drive games
I have suggested this merge on the basis that 95% of games that came out on the Mega Drive also came out for the Genesis, 99% of games that came out for the Genesis also came out for the Mega Drive, and that it is arbitrary to bunch Europe and Asia together while creating a separate list for the North American territory just because legal issues prevented a unified global name - ThomasHarte 01:56, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed, basically. I don't see the point of the other list. Nifboy 02:23, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

'''DISAGREE. I hate it when people say "Mega Drive and Genesis are the same platform". True, but they ARE different. Mega Drive is used in Japan and Europe. Genesis is used in USA. Mega Drive consists of different titles and cartridges that only play on that machine. Genesis has different titles that only plays on its machine (and it's illegal to play European games in the USA). The game may be the same, but are different versions and titles. Mega Drive uses Japanese and European languages which consist of French, Spanish, German, etc. Genesis only consists of English. I wish the lists were separate. It makes sense to have separate lists.

1.) Titles are different 2.) Versions are different (not all) 3.) Languages are different 4.) There are games that are on Mega Drive that are not on Genesis and vise versa

There needs to be a complete separate list of each. The Japanese and European Mega Drive along with its titles and release dates; and the USA Genesis with its titles and release dates (which again, are DIFFERENT). Let the Japanese and Europeans deal with "List of Mega Drive games" on THEIR Wikipedia. This is in the "English" Wikipedia. It should be Genesis.''' JeremeK (talk) 19:51, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Merge
Well the merge has gone a bit t*ts up, I've only looked at a hand full of some titlesand well there just disriptions and the games with the same name in the megadrive list were fully detailed pages with box art and title screen shots. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Esquire931 (talk • contribs)


 * It was fine before you decided to create a lot of dupe articles, please be more careful from now on and take on board the comments left at your talk page. Combination 17:50, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Maverick
The link for the game Maverick currently leads to a disambiguation page but I'm not sure which (if any) of those articles it should be redirected to. Can someone who knows please fix the link here? InthePast

There doesn't appear to be a game by that name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.105.171.123 (talk) 18:46, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Requested move (old)
List of Sega Mega Drive/Sega Genesis games → List of Sega Mega Drive games – To match the main Sega Mega Drive article. Dragon Goddess 00:15, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

With 2 supports and 2 opposes, the request failed. --Dijxtra 14:47, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Survey
Add "* Support" or "* Oppose" followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~
 * Stong Support the parent artice was changed so this article should reflect that change. --My old username 02:26, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment I want to vote Oppose since I also opposed moving the parent page, so I won't vote at all. I also refuse to call the Sega Genesis the "Mega Drive". TJ Spyke 04:21, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose for the reason, listed in discussion area. Make the "/" an "and", keep the rest, and you'll have my positive vote. --32X 07:16, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: Either way is fine as long as we get rid of the slash. Combination 15:45, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose. This article lists articles for the Sega Mega Drive and the Sega Genesis, not just one of the consoles. I support a move to List of Sega Mega Drive and Sega Genesis games though. Voortle 23:11, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong Support. Why is this even a controversial move and up for discussion, given that the parent article was indeed moved to Sega Mega Drive after a lengthy survey? The name "Sega Genesis" is nothing more than the result of re-branding an existing product, hence titles released exclusively in North America are no less Mega Drive games. - Cyrus XIII 16:34, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Discussion
Add any additional comments
 * Since there were games for only the JAP or NA or EUR market, both names should remain in the title. Having a List of Sega Mega Drive games should exclude games that were released only in North America since they never saw the Mega Drive brand. Same goes for a List of Sega Genesis games - it should exclude every game that wasn't released in NA. As a result we'd have two lists with partly the same, partly different content. The solution is a List of Sega Mega Drive and Sega Genesis games, which could include every game for that console. --32X 07:16, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Keeping in mind that, less than a year ago, we did have separate lists for Genesis and Mega Drive games, of which the Mega Drive list was a pathetic stub-list. Nifboy 15:35, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Changes like this one show me that only one name in the article won't make us happy. About the stub, Wikipedia expands with exponential growth. Maybe it wouldn't be a stub now. ;) --32X 17:06, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm adding publishers/developers/release dates
The SNES list has that information, so I think this one should too. Agree or disagree?
 * Yah, makes sense. Nifboy 19:09, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It takes way too much work and gets tedious really quickly. I don't feel like doing it anymore. Someone else can do it if they want to. Or if no one else wants to, then I guess we'll have to return the list to the way it was before.

Italics?
Just a question: Why is every game name written in italics? Wouldn't it be better to drop that style and reserve it for special information? --32X 17:24, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Manual of Style (titles). It's just a good habit to get into. Nifboy 00:03, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Wacky races?
can someone tell me why wacky races isnt on the list as a mega drive game? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 139.132.1.1 (talk) 22:53, 30 April 2007 (UTC).
 * because you didn't add it to the list --64.149.39.28 04:26, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Finding Reliable Release Dates
Anyone know a good way of finding reliable release dates? e.g. I was looking for one for Greatest Heavyweights and there are like 3 or 4 different ones floating around on the net.Doom jester 12:23, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Help me figure out a game?
Can someone please tell me what hame had: Tinlv7
 * a top-down perspective
 * a ship with 'wingmen' that could follow you or rotate independently based on powerups
 * a level with a section of orbs that would gravitate towards you when shot?

I think you are referring to Aleste/MUSHA. But as your refrences are quite vague I could be wrong. It might also be phelios. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthall1991 (talk • contribs) 10:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Requested move (2008)
I am proposing a move of this page to List of Sega Mega Drive games for continuity with other articles. A discussion is at WP:VG, but we'll let consensus decide here.

Discussion transcluded from WP:VG:

I propose we move List of Sega Mega Drive and Sega Genesis games to List of Sega Mega Drive games (a current redirect). There was some discussion about it a while ago, but I don't think those people realized one thing: the Mega Drive and the Genesis are the same console. Sega Mega Drive is the parent article name, so why shouldn't the list name match the parent article? I think it's ridiculous the way it's set up now. Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 02:53, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. Ham Pastrami (talk) 03:00, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, it was defeated last time. Talk:List_of_Sega_Mega_Drive_and_Sega_Genesis_games.  So maybe this time we'll have a different consensus.  Red Phoenix  flame of life...protector of all... 03:11, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'd say that the move should have happened - the reasonings for opposing were based on them being misinformed. - A Link to the Past (talk) 03:18, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, given the situation last time and the failed nomination for the move, I figure we should let a little more consensus build before moving the page, just in case. Red Phoenix  flame of life...protector of all... 03:20, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Consensus in this case would need to be established on the article's talk page, since the current record there shows no-joy for the move. You have basic support here, so go ahead and re-open that discussion and we'll comment there. Ham Pastrami (talk) 07:35, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Id support that. Salavat (talk) 03:39, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I support the support the move as well, its been the one article that retained the ugly compromise naming format. List of Sega Mega-CD games has a redirect from its alternative name (Sega CD), List of Sega Mega Drive games games makes sense to be the same. - X201 (talk) 08:42, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Having supported similar Mega Drive moves, I'm not sure about this one. It seems to me that a valid point was brought up in the previous discussion about games that were only released in North America being exclusively "Genesis" due to never having seen release on a "Mega Drive". For that reason I think the current title is probably better, or at least more accurate, than moving to Mega Drive only. Though I'd prefer to see that redundant second instance of "Sega" taken out.  Mi re ma re  12:46, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Mega Drive and Genesis are the exact same console. We can move the title and rewrite the lead to clarify this.  I have intentions to clean this list up, should List of Sega 32X games make it past WP:FLC or at least get close.  How does that sound?  Red Phoenix  flame of life...protector of all... 14:01, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I know they're the same console, but the fact is that there are a number of games that were realeased only on the "Genesis"-branded version of it and never appeared on a version branded "Mega Drive", which is not what the proposed new title implies. Cf. List of Famicom games and List of NES games. I'm not saying go as far as splitting to two lists, but these games are a distinction between the Genesis and Mega Drive brands, despite them being the same machine.  Mi re ma re  14:17, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * To me, that's not a very convincing argument, Miremare. My apologies that I am refuting most of what you say with what I'm about to say, but here's my opinion:  The two lists you mentioned are not a good example, because in my opinion they should be merged and keep the "Nintendo Entertainment System" name since it is the one used here on Wikipedia.  Likewise, the same is my opinion with the Mega Drive/Genesis list: the parent article is called "Mega Drive", not Mega Drive / Genesis.  Now, should it be noted somewhere that the North American model is called the Genesis?  By all means, yes.  But that's what the lead section is for.  The current list title is an ugly compromise that shouldn't be there.  By the way, I am an American and grew up calling it the "Genesis", if you're thinking about pulling some comment about that (not that you would, just letting you know).  Red Phoenix  flame of life...protector of all... 15:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with Red Phoenix's points. While the American version of the console is named Sega Genesis, the name Sega Mega Drive can still be used as a generic name for all versions of the console. In fact, this was the whole point of naming the console's article Sega Mega Drive instead of Sega Mega Drive and Sega Genesis. The arguments brought up in the console's article debate are equally valid for the list of games in my opinion. The list should be List of Sega Mega Drive games. Kariteh (talk) 15:59, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well Red Phoenix, I'm British and always called it the Mega Drive, so nobody can accuse either of us of bias! Yes, the console itself is rightly at Sega Mega Drive, and I have argued for it to stay there on the occasions that it has come up for debate again. However, this isn't the same issue; games exclusive to North-America were never released on any hardware bearing the "Mega Drive" name, therefore I don't believe it's right to state otherwise in the article title. I'm not objecting to the proposed move, I'm merely pointing out that the current title is a more accurate one, and therefore, IMO, a better one.  Mi re ma re  16:56, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well at least there's no bias lol. The console is rightly put at Sega Mega Drive, as you said, because it is the more international title (Japan and pretty much the whole world other than the U.S. use  it).  True, these games we're talking about weren't released on a system explicitly named "Mega Drive", but it is Mega Drive hardware nonetheless, as much as the Famicom is NES hardware, though we use NES because it is the more international title.  The only real hardware differences (other than design and NTSC-PAL) are anything to do with regional lockout—much like what Nintendo did with the SNES.  As I have suggested, it certainly shouldn't go without note that the North American games were released on hardware called "Genesis", but I think it's more appropriate for the lead section, much like what I would do if I were given the Famicom and NES lists and merged them.  Speaking of which, I would do that if that was my focus, but it isn't; right now, I'm working with Sega lists, like List of Sega 32X games.  Red Phoenix  flame of life...protector of all... 17:12, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Speaking of which, while we're on that subject, I invite everyone to check out the FLC on the 32X list and give their comments. If it passes, I'll start working on more lists like the Mega Drive/Genesis/whatever consensus decides to call it list.  Red Phoenix  flame of life...protector of all... 17:12, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Also, I'm going to copy and paste this discussion at Talk:List of Sega Mega Drive and Sega Genesis games and we'll build consensus there instead of here, per Ham Pastrami's suggestion. Please continue all discussion there. Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 17:16, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Looking through some of the titles on the list, I don't think the division between the naming of the consoles accurately represents regional release history. In other lists, this is divided into publishing regions, e.g. NA, PAL, JP. There are some titles which, according to their infoboxes, are released on both the Genesis and Mega Drive (US/JP) but not on the PAL Mega Drive. I suspect there's probably also some JP-exclusive titles, though I haven't confirmed that. If this is the case, the current name and structure of the list incorrectly implies that all Mega Drive regions are equal. Ideally, the list should be restructured (convert to table) to reflect the publishing regions rather than the console names, and I think that would also solve or at least diminish the concern of associating US-only games with "Mega Drive". Just state up front in the lead that "Mega Drive" applies to the Genesis as well (copy & paste a relevant passage from the main article if need be). That, in combination with appropriate redirects, should suffice to clear up any confusion. Ham Pastrami (talk) 22:19, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * As I said, I have plans to clean up this list after List of Sega 32X games is done at FLC. I will definitely do that.  Red Phoenix  flame of life...protector of all... 22:57, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * If the Mega Drive and Genesis are the same console, then use english would mean that this should be List of Sega Genesis games 70.55.88.22 (talk) 04:15, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't. Mega Drive is used all over the world, including English speaking countries like England and Australia.  Genesis is used only in North America.   Red Phoenix  flame of life...protector of all... 14:38, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Support the move per this argument. Kariteh (talk) 07:30, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Support the move as the person who suggested the move.  Red Phoenix  flame of life...protector of all... 17:23, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Support the move as per discussions. Makes sense to use naming convention as per main Mega Drive article. Nreive (talk) 10:21, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Alright, since there is consensus for the move, I propose that the page be moved to its new name. Kariteh (talk) 07:47, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * SupportYep, I would support the move also. Right now the guy that moved it to this title, sounds like two consoles and that is wrong. Needs to be changed now. Govvy (talk) 18:06, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking that the list should be titled List of Sega Mega Drive (Genesis) games.' Govvy (talk) 17:59, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Discussion page should have been moved
✅ This talk page should have been moved and integrated with the one at the move location. Seeing as both already exist an Admin will have to move this page to that location. That was why Red Phoenix added the move request template. It was a move that should have been made by an Admin.- X201 (talk) 10:12, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Sega Mega Drive vs. Sega Genesis
There's isn't just one machine with one name. There are TWO names for one machine. Although the games are the same, the titles are different, the release dates are different, the languages are different, even some VERSIONS are different. THEY ARE DIFFERENT. It's hard to find a game you know by the Genesis title if it's listed with the Mega Drive title and vice-versa. There needs to be two lists. The Mega Drive with the Mega Drive TITLES and release dates, etc. and the Genesis with its TITLES and release dates, etc. Like I've said before, there are games that are on the Mega Drive that ARE NOT ON THE GENESIS. There are also some games on the Genesis that ARE NOT ON THE MEGA DRIVE. There needs to be separate lists. I also don't see why the European/Japanese version of the machine is in the ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA. Let them work on their OWN article. The Genesis is English and only English and therefore the list should be listed in the ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA as GENESIS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JeremeK (talk • contribs) 19:58, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You are mistaken: en.wikipedia is NOT "The wikipedia about subjects relative to the US/England/Australia etc" it is "The wikipedia about the world, written in the English language". English is a language, it is not a reference to nationality, nor to geographic region.The fact that YOU don't care about the European/Japanese releases is of little concern to the project.


 * Also, there was a consensus for the merge. Even if you disagree with it, your vote will be taken into account, and the result will still be merge. Please stand down and stop. That, and your arguments destroy themselves anyways: "There are TWO names for one machine". Yes, so we are sticking to the English name, period. If this creates confusion, we clarify it in the article body. happypal (Talk | contribs) 20:27, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Although I am with the majority here, I am not sure what you are on about Happypal, English does derive from England, so you do have geographic region! I think you want to say that Genesis was the American name for the Sega Mega Drive! But alas, no matter what name is, all the games for it should be on this list and are on the list. There are no exclusive games to America, every single one was released in Europe and the UK. The title JeremeK has changed it back too is floored. It makes it sound like two separate machines when we know it is one. That was the idea for the name change. Plus it doesn't matter where a game was released first. Ported from, if it is for this system, it should be in the list. There is one major header and that is Sega Mega Drive. And that is the primary name Sega gave the machine, they never wanted to name it Genesis in America anyway. Govvy (talk) 20:49, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm talking about the "en" in "en.wikipedia". It is just a reference to a language. I'm sorry I was unclear and made it look like I was taliking about the word English. Again, "English" does not apply only to America. The console's name in England and Australia is the Mega Drive, as Stated on the Sega Mega Drive article (Again, me being unclear, sorry). It's just that I get a bit tired of people saying that something is not notable because Americans don't care about that subject, which is flawed reasoning (if Gundam was popular in the US, those articles would be 3 times as good, but that is not the case).
 * On a side note, I think the two lists should be merged inside the article, and not kept separate. Then again; this is a brand new merge, so maybe that is what was meant to be done. happypal (Talk | contribs) 02:55, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Just for reference, the discussion that led to the move is above at. Kariteh (talk) 07:48, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

The move log is quite interesting. From a European point of view, the difference between the Genesis (US) and the Mega Drive (Jap/Eur) is way smaller than the difference between the NTSC region (Jap/US) and the PAL region (Eur). Somehow it happened some games were released world wide, while others were released only in one regions. There are even a few games that were released in only one country or in another than the 3 large regions (f.e. Brazil). The list of Genesis games (US) and list of Mega Drive games (Jap, Eur, strange markets) should indeed be one that points out, in which markets the games were released. --32X (talk) 20:37, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Errors in the list article.
I just realised how messed up this list is. First thing it says is ''All titles are for the US Sega Genesis. Titles that do not appear on the US Sega Genesis are divided in the bottom list "Mega Drive (Titles Not On Genesis)" '' That's like stating those games are a machine available in the US only. And the games are available to the US only!! Next thing to note is the games at the bottom in "Mega Drive (Titles Not On Genesis)" Is also wrong in a way, because those games have all been added to the last release of 1998 US market, all be it limited numbers. So much wrong! Shall we revert back to the oldest timezone of this list where it wasn't messed up? Govvy (talk) 20:47, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It strikes me a ridiculous that there are two separate lists when a single list with a region availability column would make far more sense. - X201 (talk) 21:22, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Under construction
Well, it looks like I'm going to have to put List of Sega Mega-CD games on hold for a while. This has got to be addressed before all this warring over the title continues. I've added underconstruction and am going to start fixing this article first. Red Phoenix flame of life...protector of all... 05:05, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I have effectively merged the lists. There will be no more of this two-list nonsense.   Red Phoenix  flame of life...protector of all... 05:38, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

How many games?
How many games were released for the Mega Drive? That should also be noted in the list description when known. Govvy (talk) 09:59, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Alternate titles, and columns in Lists of articles
I'd like to invite anyone contributing to this list to take part in a discussion we are currently having on the Talk:List of Nintendo 64 games where we are discussing the use of keeping alternate titles in the "List of...games" some have suggested that they take up too much space and that other columns could seem to be "useful only to fans", and other things that have been mentioned that, and other 'List of' talk pages. I think the alternate titles may be better as

Please come and give your opinion, and hopefully keep these type of concerns from arising again and again at each "List of" pages. (Floppydog66 (talk) 21:05, 18 December 2008 (UTC))

Games separated by letter
They should all be combined into one list so they can easily be rearranged by date. developer, and publisher.
 * We have a list that's over 4 times as big as the recommended page size. I'm going to have to strongly disagree with this suggestion.  Keep the games separated by letter to ease updates.  If anything, split the list into 3 - 4 pages in order to ease load times on systems with resource issues. Dawynn (talk) 11:01, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Rarity index and dates.
Two questions, I think we arn't suppose to link to dates anymore and should the list have a rarity index? Govvy (talk) 23:34, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Rarity is extremely subjective. If a game has been described as rare elsewhere, it might be worthy of inclusion on the individual game's page though. Masebrock (talk) 19:56, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Total number of games by region...
I propose we add the total number of games by region. Right now I see we have added the total number of games on the list, but it would be infinitely better if we also noted how many came out in each region on the list.

The SNES list of games article opens with this statement. "This is a list of 785 games for the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (720 in NA, 534 in EU and 475 in both)"

I was counting how many games came out in each region with this list, but I then came to the letter F and there was no longer a regions column.

Hopefully we can do this.-- Pimp Uigi  02:33, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

"M" missing region column
The "M" section is the only section missing a Region Column, maybe it was accidentally deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.122.9.222 (talk) 05:25, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Sonic 3D Blast
Important game missing: Sonic 3D Blast (also later released for the Sega Saturn with different music) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.122.9.222 (talk) 08:54, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You're right. Looks like almost a year ago, someone removed all the Sonic games and replaced them with Sonic 1, 2, CD and 3. The page had since been fixed aside from the exclusion of 3D, the inclusion of CD and listing the games in release date order rather than alphabetical. I have fixed this. Adamravenscroft (talk) 11:53, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Merge alphabetical sections (0… A… B… C…) into one big list (0-9 A-Z) for better sorting functionality
Issue: At the current state the list is divided into alphabetized sections. Under this circumstances, the Sortable Table functions are of little use.

Example: You want to sort by Year, but you can only do this within your current list section, i.e. within "Letter C". Makes little sense, because likely you wanted to search for games from i.e. 1990-1992, but not only those starting with the letter C, but all game titles within that time range.

Procedures:
 * 1) I propose to merge all the sections into one list, so that the user can benefit from all the column data and can sort according to her/his wish, as i.e. in List of Sega video game franchises
 * 2) Technical implementation: Either there are already some Wikipedia script programs to do this in an automated fashion (?), else I could do the source code manipulations locally on my machine, and then upload the merged results.

--PutzfetzenORG (talk) 15:17, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Requested move
{| class="collapsible collapsed" style="width:100%;font-size:88%;background: transparent; text-align: left; border: 1px solid silver; margin-top: 0.2em; " ! style="background-color: #CFC; text-align:center; font-size:112%;" | No clear consensus to make this collection of moves


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 * style="border: solid 1px silver; padding: 8px; background-color: white; font-size:112%;" |
 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: No clear consensus to made this collection of moves, since rationales vary among individual move, editors should consider individual moves so that consensus can be clearly stated and assessed. Mike Cline (talk) 00:07, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

- Relisting.--Aervanath (talk) 00:25, 7 December 2011 (UTC) – Now that the title issue of the main article about this console has been settled, we can bring these sub-articles into alignment. The current names of all these articles are consistent with the old name of the main article, Sega Mega Drive. The proposal is to make them consistent with the new (and original) article title, Sega Genesis. The main reasons for the recent move of the main article are in the FAQ at the top of Talk:Sega Genesis. born2 c Ycl e  22:54, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
 * List of Sega Mega Drive games → List of Sega Genesis games
 * Variations of the Sega Mega Drive → Variations of the Sega Genesis
 * Mega-CD → Sega CD
 * List of Mega-CD games → List of Sega CD games
 * Sega Multi-Mega → Sega CDX
 * Comment - The sub-articles don't need to be brought "into alignment". They should each be considered on their own merits and it's entirely possible that non-US names are more appropriate. Specifically, I suspect that Multi-Mega is more widely recognized than CDX. ButOnMethItIs (talk) 23:07, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Partial strong oppose, partial weak support. First I should preface this by saying I was unaware of the discussion about the naming of the main article, and would have vehemently opposed it had I known it was there. Given its past history though, I gave up on arguing (it could hardly be called discussing in many cases) that page a long time ago. With that in mind, here is my view.


 * If the main article is called Sega Genesis, then the other articles should probably fall in line (although ButOnMethItIs has a good point above, and I don't think it is a policy that it must be the case), as much as I disapprove of it. However, Variations of the Sega Mega Drive should absolutely not be moved to Variations of the Sega Genesis. The Genesis itself is a Mega Drive variant (Mega Drive being the original name for the console). The original Japanese models (of both the MD1 and MD2) are what the Genesises (Geneses?) are based on, as is the case with the PAL models. This is one reason I would have opposed the move of the main page, but in this case it would make the title factually inaccurate, which is against Wikipedia policy.


 * P.S. Something tells me that the name of the article will never be "settled". It was just as "settled" before with the name Mega Drive.


 *  Alphathon  /'æɫfə.θɒn/ ( talk ) 23:24, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Incidentally, the same may also apply to this page, but in a slightly different way. Many Japanese-only games exist, and those were never Genesis games. That being the case, perhaps renaming this to List of Sega Mega Drive/Genesis games may actually be appropriate (while it wasn't/isn't really for the main article).  Alphathon  /'æɫfə.θɒn/ ( talk ) 23:29, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't know. I didn't even know of the Multi-Mega until recently, but I've heard of CDX. ∞ 陣  内  Jinnai  23:26, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Was that supposed to be a reply to ButOnMethItIss post?  Alphathon ' /'æɫfə.θɒn/ ( talk ) 23:29, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Ugh, my entire reply got destroyed in an edit conflict. Here it is again. Consistency has never been an important issue on Wikipedia, but individually here are my views:
 * Neutral on List of Sega Mega Drive games - I don't see an impetus to change this, but I am not opposed to it either.
 * Oppose on Variations of the Sega Mega Drive - This article deals predominantly with the international market where the device is known as Mega Drive, and almost every source in the article uses the term Mega Drive. This should stay where it is.
 * Oppose on Mega-CD - The device was known as Mega-CD for almost a full year before it was known as Sega-CD, and most of the source (4/6) refer to the device as Mega-CD.
 * Neutral on List of Mega-CD games - same rational as on List of Mega Drive games above.
 * Oppose on Sega Multi-Mega - for now. The article is in a bad state and should be improved and properly sourced before any decisions are made on the correct title for the article.


 * - TechnoSymbiosis (talk) 23:30, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Support all but Variations of the Sega Mega Drive per Alphathons comments. Also everyone should be aware of the List of Japanese Sega Mega Drive games that isn't being touched.-- Sexy Kick  00:11, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Individual votes for me:
 * Neutral on List of Sega Mega Drive games - no strong reason to change to Genesis. However, I would support a move to "List of Mega Drive games" (without Sega in the title), as this version matches the correct branding for Mega Drive and is consistent with other past moves, including that for Mega-CD.
 * Oppose on Variations of the Sega Mega Drive - Agree with TechnoSymbiosis - the variations listed in this article are almost entirely non-US and do not carry the Genesis brand. (Again, I would support "Variations of the Mega Drive", removing Sega from the title.)
 * Neutral on Mega-CD. Sega CD has strong notability in the US for similar reasons as the Genesis itself does (and mostly because of the game Night Trap, and the general commercial failure of FMV games), but those reasons are not to the same extent as for the Genesis itself.
 * Neutral on List of Mega-CD games - same reason as for the list of Mega Drive games
 * Oppose on Sega Multi-Mega - similar reasoning for Mega-CD, and I agree with TechnoSymbiosis's reasons.
 * (votes concluded) &mdash; KieferSkunk (talk) &mdash; 00:24, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Tentatively opposed to all five moves. Is there a policy that says so called "Sub-articles" should be named in accordance to the "main article"? I thought they were to be considered separately? Why move around a stable article? It's very bad form to go around trying to do EngVar moves for no very good reason, and as the device's name is a US/Commonwealth split it feels like it fits into the spirit of the EngVar rules, if (perhaps) not the letter of it.  (I'm not alone in this feeling. Some people argued along EngVar lines and not CommonName lines in the move discussion for the console's article.)  Unless there's some sub-article naming convention I'm not aware of, I don't see any reason to stir up naming debates all over 80s gaming. The default action should be to leave things the way they are. (I say tentative, because there could well be some sub-article naming convention that I'm not aware of.) APL (talk) 01:01, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, one of the naming criteria at WP:AT is "consistency". The way I would apply it here is all other factors held equal, we should try to be consistent with the main article.  But if there are compelling reasons also based on that criteria to keep a title where it is that outweigh just consistency, by all means, let's not move. --born2 c Ycl  e  01:09, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The whole reason these articles (apart from the variations article) are at their Mega variant, is because of the main article being moved in the past. If you look at the history and change reasons, it says stuff like "Sega CD to Sega Mega-CD due to Sega Mega Drive/Genesis to Sega Mega Drive" and then later "Sega Mega-CD to Mega-CD per Sega Mega Drive to Mega Drive" - same thing with the Sega CDX article. The only one that got away was the Sega 32X, I imagine because it was called something different in all three regions, so they just left it at the articles original name.-- Sexy Kick  01:12, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose all. Breaking it down:
 * List of Sega Mega Drive games - this title is acceptable and descriptive. So long as Sega Genesis appears in the first sentence or two of the lede, it's OK.
 * Variations of the Sega Mega Drive - there is a good reason to use the first name of the product here, since everything else was a variation of that. "Sega Mega Drive 2" is not a variation on the Genesis, it's clearly a variation of the Mega Drive. On the other hand, "Sega Firecore" is a variation on Sega Genesis which in turn is a variation of the Mega Drive - so we're still OK with the original title.
 * Mega-CD - again, the title is acceptable and descriptive - I see no reason to change it.
 * List of Mega-CD games - this title is acceptable and descriptive. So long as Sega CD appears in the first sentence or two of the lede, it's OK.
 * Sega Multi-Mega - again, the title is acceptable and descriptive - I see no reason to change it.
 * SteveBaker (talk) 15:35, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Support all but variations article for which I'm Neutral on the variations one. ∞ 陣  内  Jinnai  21:37, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Support all but the variations article, for which I'm Neutral. The variations article is the only one that seems to have a unique argument to keep the name.  Otherwise, all the arguments of the main article move (commonname, retain, etc) are applicable here, but they are made stronger because now we factor in a desire to be consistent.LedRush (talk) 16:45, 21 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Support all, but variants should go to variants of the mega drive (drop the Sega)--BeastSystem (talk) 06:05, 24 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose each move:
 * Variations of the Sega Mega Drive - Since it is referenced within the article that the Sega Mega Drive was only called the Genesis in North America and it's original name was Mega Drive then Genesis is a variation of Mega Drive and not the other way around. Article name change implies that Mega Drive was a variation of Genesis rather than the other way around and it is hence misleading.
 * List of Sega Mega Drive Games - I think this is a valid article name, the North American branding of the Mega Drive is already referenced within the article.
 * Mega CD - Console was originally called the Sega Mega CD and I see no reason to change it because it was branded as something else in North America. Sega CD branding is already referenced within the article.
 * List of Mega-CD games - Essentially for the same reasons as List of Sega Mega Drive Games, North American branding is already referenced and it was originally named Sega Mega CD around the world with the exception of North America.
 * Sega Multi-Mega - I think this article name is reasonable, it isn't ambigous, it was it's name and the North American branding was just a derivative name. Bobert902101 (talk) 13:49, 30 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - per common name and title consistency YifferFox (talk)

Summary
So, it seems to me that we have consensus on:
 * List of Sega Mega Drive games → List of Sega Genesis games
 * List of Mega-CD games → List of Sega CD games

It also appears to me that we have consensus on:
 * Mega-CD → Sega CD

It seems to me that we don't have consensus on:
 * Variations of the Sega Mega Drive → Variations of the Sega Genesis
 * Sega Multi-Mega → Sega CDX

Does anyone disagree with my assessment/summary of the discussion above?LedRush (talk) 16:32, 5 December 2011 (UTC)


 * While there seems to be slightly more support (in terms of head count) for the moves that you feel "have consensus", remember that consensus ≠ majority support; move discussions are not decided based on a head count, but on the strength of the arguments presented and on the formation of consensus. Thus far I haven't seen much support for any of the moves beyond "it should be like the main page", which technically isn't a criterion for moving a page. Indeed, all of the oppose "votes" and most of the neutral ones seem to have some kind of argument behind them, while many (not all) of the support "votes" simply state support. However, it's probably safe to assume that what is meant by this is the move is supported for the same reasons that the main article was moved.


 * I would agree however that there appears to be a consensus against moving Variations of the Sega Mega Drive.


 * Given that the consensus for the move of the Mega Drive/Genesis article was so loose, and that that seems to be a commonly cited reason to move these articles, I would suggest that the discussion for the movement of any of these pages be handled separately and moved back to their respective talk pages. If this is not done but further discussion does take place then it will likely get very confusing very quickly. If further discussion doesn't take place then I would suggest that WP:CONSENSUS applies, and since these articles have been stable (as far as I can tell) for a decent amount of time then they should remain at their current names.


 *  Alphathon  /'æɫfə.θɒn/ ( talk ) 18:17, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd agree about the variations article. However, as there is yet no consensus this page can run longer and perhaps be advertised again before its closed. I would also point out the move change was not loose and had only a couple of opposes who did more than drive-by oppose with an overwhelming support and myself as the only neutral. Therefore suggisting they all be moved to their indivisual talk pages for this based on that should not be done. I do agree though a better reason may have to be had if things stay the way they are. ∞ 陣  内  Jinnai  18:32, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Two points of contention: (1) as mentioned above, the 15-3 majority and (and far stronger policy points) were an overwhelming consensus for the main article move. This cannot be called loose by any stretch of the imagination.  (2) I feel the exact opposite about the move reasonings than you: the people who support the moves have done so on two strong basis: (i) all the plethora of reasons stated in the main article move discussion; and (ii) conforming to the current main article.  Many oppose votes have basically said (nah, we don't need to move it because it's common enough).  This argument is not based on policy (and was thoroughly defeated in the main article discussion).  So, basically we have a majority of editors asking for the moves I highlight, and they do it based on extensive policy grounds and discussions, unlike the oppose votes.LedRush (talk) 18:40, 5 December 2011 (UTC)


 * There is also the reason that if the video game naming convention which supports consistancy throughout articles without a good reason for an exception. Probably should have been brought up earlier. The only one that made an attempt at a reasonable explanation as to why it shouldn't be is the variations article. NM, seems it only applies to games. Should probably be brought up after this is resolved. ∞ 陣  内  Jinnai  19:03, 5 December 2011 (UTC)


 * My apologies. Having not been part of the main move discussion I may have got the wrong end of the stick (given how extensive it is, I probably read the wrong bit or something; it is a tad overwhelming). If it is indeed the case that the Genesis (vs. Mega Drive) arguments apply here then they should be made here (or at least briefly reiterated) and not just assumed - I for one (as already mentioned) was not part of that discussion and it seems unreasonable to be expected to read through an entire talk page archive to find out what someone's point is on a separate issue. (As I said, this need only be a brief summary - if a point is too detailed to be worth re-outlining or whatever then perhaps a link to the appropriate section or similar might be more useful.)


 * I don't actually see anyone making the "not common enough" argument, and most "we don't need to move it" points seem to be neutrals, no opposes. Unless there is a good reason to move an article, it is supposed to be left where it is (assuming it has a stable name), so "no good reason" is valid (especially given that most of the "supports" came after most of the "opposes" were put forward - at that point there was little to refute/argue against).


 * Consistency may well be a good reason to move them (I'm not sure) but I'm not sure how it applies to moves (rather than article creation). Also it may be worth considering that since the variations page (and according to you the Multi-Mega page) are probably not going to be moved the "series" will not be consistently named regardless, and cannot be unless all the articles use their international (non-US/Canada) names, so may negate its use to move the other articles (I am unsure as to the specifics of this, I'm just throwing out an idea).


 * As I am unsure of the full reasons for the move from Mega Drive to Genesis (see above) I cannot be sure if this matters, but it seems that WP:Commonname is being argued (either implicitly or explicitly). While this may well apply to the Mega Drive/Genesis, this doesn't imply that it applies to the others, and assuming that the consistency argument doesn't hold, the "commonality" status of each name would need to be demonstrated.


 * Regardless, this is about consensus, which as far as I can see has not been reached (consensus implies agreement, not majority, although they can be heavily linked), and I don't think there has been enough proper discussion to do so (discussion ≠ statement of positions).


 *  Alphathon  /'æɫfə.θɒn/ ( talk ) 19:41, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I understand that not everyone here was a party to the main article move, but the strong consensus to move was based, at least in part, on the following summary, which was edited as part of a collaboration of all editors that were discussing the potential moves:

"Sega GenesisSega Genesis WP:CRITERIA QnARecognizability – Is the candidate title a recognizable name or description of the topic? *Yes, "Sega Genesis" is a recognizable name of this console in much of the English speaking world', however it is not universally recognized as it still causes confusion for those who know it as "Mega Drive".
 * Naturalness – What title(s) are readers most likely to look for in order to find the article? Which title(s) will editors most naturally use to link from other articles? Such titles usually convey what the subject is actually called in English. There is no consensus on whether "Sega Genesis" or "Mega Drive" is the title readers are most likely to look for in order to find this article, but it is one of the two. Editors are also likely to link to this title, and it conveys what it is often called in English, though perhaps not usually.
 * Precision – How precise is the title under discussion? Consensus titles usually use names and terms that are precise (see below), but only as precise as necessary to identify the topic of the article unambiguously. This title is clearly precise, but no more precise than necessary to identify this topic..
 * Conciseness – Is the title concise or is it overly long? This title is as concise as possible given disambiguation considerations with Genesis.
 * Consistency – Does the proposed title follow the same pattern as those of similar articles? Yes. This title does follow the same pattern as those of similar articles (other articles about Sega consoles also follow the pattern Sega Name).

Sega Genesis pro

Is the name first introduced in an English-speaking country. Is the name used for the majority of consoles sold (though sales figures are unreliable, and precise amounts cannot be considered 100% accurate).
 * It is the most commonly used name in English sources to refer to this topic, so it meets WP:COMMONNAME better than any other candidate.
 * It is the first title used in Wikipedia for this topic back in November 2001 [10], and remained there for four years until September 2005. (then it was merged with the new Sega Mega Drive article, creating a compound name[11] for the article until August 2006). When a company has marketed a product under two different names and no other reason can be found to choose one or the other for the title of the article about that topic, instead of combining both names in the title, apply the WP:RETAIN principle and use the product name which was first used as an article title in Wikipedia.
 * When a company has marketed a product under two different names and no other reason can be found to choose one or the other for the title of the article about that topic, instead of combining both names in the title, choose the product name for the title which is first in alphabetical order (Genesis comes before Mega Drive).
 * The argument is that it is the most country-neutral title, as it is the name used by the most reliable sources, regardless of country of origin."

These arguments seem as valid for at least the three titles which appear to have consensus for a move (this is a discussion, regardless of your opinion as to the quality of the reasoning), and I would argue that the there is enough relevant there to justify a move for the others as well. Seeing as several of the articles exist only at the current locations as a result of the renaming of the main article, it makes sense to make the move again. That the actual policies of naming support the move this time (and I don't believe they did the earlier moves, which a consensus of editors feel was not properly policy-based), these really should be no-brainers.LedRush (talk) 20:25, 5 December 2011 (UTC)


 * The way I see it, it makes the most sense to move the four articles (and not move Variations) based on the fact that the only reason they have the Mega name is because of the main article being changed around. They were always kept in concurrence with the main article. When Sega Genesis went to Sega Mega Drive, Sega CD went to Mega-CD, and Sega CDX went to Sega Multi-Mega, and the game lists as well. There weren't even RM discussions, they were just plain moved. The same "barely common name" circle jerk stuff that applies to the main article applies to the four other articles here as well, Sega CDX, Sega "Multi-Mega", "Sega CD", "Sega Mega-CD" It's also not even close on Google Books.-- Sexy Kick  00:21, 6 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Regarding LedRush's post, I don't see that most of that is relevant - most of it seems to apply to both current and proposed names for the add-ons. The only bits that seem to be relevant are WP:COMMONNAME (which doesn't necessarily transfer - common name status for the add-ons is independent of that of the main console, although SexyKick seems to have shown it to the be case), the "first name" bit (which again would need to be shown for those articles, not just the main one) and possibly the "naturalness" bit. I don't think anyone is suggesting that one set of titles is better than another on recognisability, precision or conciseness grounds (to do so would be like having a preference for a type of car based on the fact it has wheels; it is an argument that applies to both sides and can thus be ignored from either side), and consistency is a separate issue (for the console's article, it referred to whether or not "Sega 𝑥" was used, rather than just "𝑥"; there is no pattern established for whether the same regional name is used as far as I can tell). In a nut shell, only the "common name", "first name" and "naturalness" bits seem to apply to the add-ons, and are not necessarily true just because they were for the console.


 * @SexyKick: that seems good enough for me, although google results aren't the be-all end-all. However, you might want to negate the "Datel CDX" in your CDX search by adding  to the search terms (such that they look like this:  ). If you don't, you run the risk of poisoning your results with additional results for an unrelated item. I have done this and it doesn't seem to affect the number of result a great deal, but you should probably bear it in mind in future. For more info on what the Datel CDX is (if you're unaware), see the Multi-Mega/CDX page.


 * Still, it's not me that needs to be convinced; we're looking for a consensus here and I was already tentatively on your side (for the add-on articles anyway; the lists are a separate matter).


 *  Alphathon  /'æɫfə.θɒn/ ( talk ) 15:01, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was actually for everyone to read. Not you specifically. : )-- Sexy Kick  04:17, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose – and object to the assertion of some consensus above; sorry I'm so late to notice, just saw it in the backlog. If Born2Cycle wanted consistency in naming, he wouldn't have put up such a fight to move the main article to where he did, rather than back to where it had been consistent.  He continues to stir up trouble by his over-reliable on counts and COMMONNAME when it pleases and consistency when it pleases.  I think a bit more stability is in order when things are this contentious.  Just leave it.  Consistency is not required here, and these move attempts are disruptive.  Dicklyon (talk) 06:34, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - it seems disruptive to oppose a move without mention of policies or guidelines, but with an attack on another editor.LedRush (talk) 16:07, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - for what it's worth, I take no position on this proposal. I only made it because I was asked to do it, and it seemed reasonably possible that there would be consensus support for it.  --Born2cycle (talk) 18:18, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It seems doubly disruptive to stir up such a mess about something you don't even have a position on. Dicklyon (talk) 19:23, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Responding on your talk page. --Born2cycle (talk) 01:52, 17 December 2011 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.


 * }

947 Sega Genesis Games
Golden age gaming site has 947 listed Sega genesis games. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnthonyTheGamer (talk • contribs) 16:38, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It would of helped if you provided the website url to compare to. Govvy (talk) 13:23, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

List Missing Star Control 2
I Don't have the Star Control 2 cart with me at the moment for the pertinent information, but it exits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.100.11.168 (talk) 03:56, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Where does it exit from? 24.179.56.122 (talk) 21:39, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Unreleased games?
Do we list unreleased games in here, or not?-- Sexy Kick  13:32, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * If it's unreleased, I wouldn't because then it wasn't a game for the system. I've done cancelled titles before in List of Sega 32X games as its own separate, well-cited list, but that's a bit of a rare circumstance because those titles were killed due to the failure of the add-on.  Here, it's not really the same given we're talking about games that were unreleased for any variety of reasons, which is normal in the industry.   Red Phoenix  let's talk... 14:09, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

"Genre" tag
I think games could be listed by genre also. 200.198.216.114 (talk) 19:21, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Only if you can reliably source all 900+ of them. It would have to be indisputable from a source considered reliable from this project.   Red Phoenix  let's talk... 19:50, 28 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't think this would be a good idea. Alot of them can be subjective, and with that, comes unneeded edit battles and such. How would you classify a game such as Medal City? Gambling? Card? Simulation? etc. ~ Dissident93 00:57, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
 * And Mystic Defender. Marketed as an RPG...-- Sexy Kick  10:53, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Bible Adventures
Why is this game included in the list when it's an unlicensed game? All games from Wisdom Tree are unlicensed. There is no Sega logo or "seal of quality" on it's cartridge or packaging. This game and other unlicensed games that may be on the list need to be removed.JeremeK (talk) 00:11, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * What makes the difference? This is the list of games made for the Sega Genesis, and if it can be cited reliably, I don't see why it shouldn't be included.  The same goes for Ishido: The Way of Stones, Star Control, Turrican, etc., all titles Accolade developed before being licensed, not to mention the Taiwanese games listed, of which quite a few of them actually have articles.   Red Phoenix  build the future...remember the past... 00:31, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Unlicensed games are not officially for Sega, and because Sega did not put their seal of quality on it, the games cannot be promised to meet Sega standards. Any cartridge which Sega did not approve was made by third-party companies to override the system's security which will mess up your console. This is what happened to Nintendo and the reason many people had to "blow" on the game and console's contacts.JeremeK (talk) 22:18, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

If the unlicensed games are going to be included on the list, they need to be labeled as such. JeremeK (talk) 22:20, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

There's nothing on the list that tells the viewer that an unlicensed game is unlicensed. I think it needs to be labeled that way.JeremeK (talk) 15:40, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't be against that as long as it's sourced. Maybe something as simple as an asterisk next to the title, since there's only about 15-20 or so on here out of 900.  The trick is identifying all of them: Action 52, for instance, is a part of the Allgame list but I happen to know it's unlicensed, and there's nothing in the sources used to indicate that.  Any title released in Taiwan exclusively is unlicensed, along with Oh Mummy, the Wisdom Tree titles, Pier Solar and the Great Architects, and five games from Accolade before licensing: Ishido: The Way of Stones, Mike Ditka Power Football, Star Control, Hardball!, and Turrican.  I'm of the opinion that "the games cannot be promised to meet Sega standards" isn't an issue because this isn't an official Sega list, and also because quite a few of the unlicensed titles have notability - obviously the Accolade ones have some tied into Sega v. Accolade, and the Sega Genesis article has a section with coverage on recent Genesis new releases which are unlicensed: Beggar Prince, Star Odyssey, Legend of Wukong, and Pier Solar and the Great Architects, of note of which Beggar Prince and Legend of Wukong were originally Taiwanese pirate games.  It's sort of interesting, I think, how the Genesis' unlicensed titles seem to have more of a presence in reliable source coverage than most other consoles I've seen.   Red Phoenix  let's talk... 18:53, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

It seems like the majority of video game lists for other consoles lists unlicensed games seperately. See the NES list for example. 83.251.226.172 (talk) 21:24, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Battle Mania
Battle Mania is actually two games as mentioned in its wikipedia page. Only the sequel is mentioned on this list (I don't know how to edit a table) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alaharon123 (talk • contribs) 02:08, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

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Japanese games list
Can we all agree that List of Japanese Sega Mega Drive games is a duplicate list of this list and just redirect here? I redirected it but was undone. And it's been tried before but been undone in the past. TarkusAB talk 13:49, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ Nevermind, taken care of. TarkusAB talk 15:27, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Console Output - NTSC vs PAL in Brazil
An edit was recently made to the Region Code Guide of this article. The original "PAL release exclusively in Brazil" has been changed and currently reads:
 * NTSC-U release exclusively in Brazil(some systems may output PAL-M,but all games are NTSC-U)

I was going to fix the spacing errors when I realized the extensiveness the change suggests. Brazilian games and their output is beyond my knowledge, so I would like someone to weigh in on this topic. There is a section in the NTSC article which mentions both Brazilian NTSC and PAL-M, and the PAL-M article suggests that PAL-M is more or less interchangable with NTSC (in one direction, it is not suggested that NTSC is just as easily played on PAL-M, but I haven't thoroughly read the article).

I'm going to go ahead and fix the spacing issue, but this is not done as an approval of edit 617650221 until more detailed information can be supplied to substantiate the claim made. Christopher, Salem, OR (talk) 04:18, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

hi, I'm the one who edited it,I am a newbie to wikipedia editing and in fact I tried to add some missings brazilian games, but some one else deleted it. the mega drive system in brasil uses ntsc-u games, genesis cartridges and tectoy ones ,I still own my childhood mega drive 3 from tectoy(the inside board its based in a genesis 3 model). my system output ntsc I believe the early models output PAL-M.some old brazilian tvs just accepts PAL-M .PAL-M its basically NTSC 60hz with PAL color system,so makes sense that the early systems output PAL-M for bigger compatibility with the television sets. the hardware diferences would just be the rf modulator and the av video encoder. about the games I tried to add, should I ask here if they could be added? they are tectoy games lincensed by sega some examples are: Phantasy Star II ( translated to portuguese ) Phantasy Star III ( translated to portuguese ) Turma da Mônica na Terra dos Monstros Yu Yu Hakusho: Sunset Fighters( firt game translated directly from japanese to portuguese originaly called YuYu Hakusho Makyou Toitsusen) and some more sorry for being stupid in my first posts in the wiki. its hard to find reliable sources about brazilian games, the closest I found its some foruns and blogs in portuguese http://forum.outerspace.terra.com.br/index.php?threads/especial-tec-toy-parte-1-os-jogos-traduzidos-para-o-portugu%C3%AAs.1635/ http://comunidademegadrive.wordpress.com/2011/05/02/e-do-brasil-os-jogos-de-mega-drive-criados-no-pais/


 * Changes made to this list need to be backed by reliable sources. I found it equally challenging when putting this list together, but it's very important not to add unsourced or unreliable sourced material to this list, to avoid original research.  It's also worth noting that the PAL column includes Brazilian releases; the separate column is for region-exclusive releases (i.e. Brazil only, Taiwan only, Korea only).   Red Phoenix  let's talk... 17:13, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

if the game have a translated version it does not count as a brasil only edition ?

if I add to the genesis/mega drive page ( or even this list ) a photo of the bottom of my mega drive saying in portuguese that it output ntsc,does it prove anything ? its hard really hard to find a reliable source of this stuff in the internet.
 * PAL games tend to be translated into multiple language in Europe, so this is not unusual. I'm pretty sure there's another country called Portugal that would also get Portuguese translations.  What you'll need to find is a reliable, third party source, so the photo won't do.  I know it's hard to find, but maybe a Brazilian media entity can help you with that, if any have something about it posted on their websites.  That's about your best shot.   Red Phoenix  let's talk... 22:08, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

back to the topic, in the brazilian portuguese wiki it says: Fisicamente o videogame era idêntico ao "Genesis" americano, sendo compatível com os jogos NTSC para esse sistema. O sinal de saída de vídeo, porém, foi convertida para PAL-M, o padrão brasileiro misto entre PAL e NTSC. which means: Physically the game was identical to the "Genesis" American, is compatible with NTSC games for that system. The output video, however, was converted to PAL-M, the Brazilian mixed standard between PAL and NTSC. but there are no references linked to this part of the text Aoalvo (talk) 01:16, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

<BR>I've read a little more on the NTSC article in trying to find a reference of NTSC-U for Brazil, but it only mentions North America/U.S. for that NTSC format. NTSC-M for Brazil is vaguely touched on in the Broadcast television systems article; NTSC-N is also mentioned for Brazil, but specific dates for NTSC-N use in Brazil are not given ("used briefly" - when?) in regards to the gaming console being discussed. More research from a reliable reference is required; I would love to see something definitive added to the fore mentioned articles, in addition to the Genesis game list. Do not forget, however, that we are talking about when these games/systems were originally released; whatever the format is in current use (Digital television), it does not apply here. Red Phoenix is right, e.g. French being the official language of 29 countries, French translations of games wouldn't count unless the game was released exclusively for a specific country.

Oppose. The conclusion I draw from examining the relevant Wikipedia articles is that PAL-M is/was the standard format for Brazil, and as such, I recommend that the edit in good faith, 617650221, be reverted (for now), but if something more definitive is sourced, then it should be changed to reflect the relevant formats of the game system; the edit in question is too verbose for use in the chart. I suggest, however, that if a game during the Genesis system era is found to have been released in a format in Brazil that differs from the norm, that it should be mentioned in the column where the games are listed, e.g. BR (NTSC-U), or BR (PAL-M), but without changing the Region code guide at the top of the page.

Reminder - please don't forget to sign your posts on talk pages. To do so, add four consecutive Tilde marks (without spaces) to the end of your post. Thank you.<BR>Christopher, Salem, OR (talk) 14:03, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

the point is, should we mark the region tv system or the game type? brazil never used ntsc as tv standard, only PAL-M but the mega drives from here work only with ntsc-u game cartridges. the line insert really got too verbose,but as I am a total newbie to wikipedia i've tried to make something people will think about before deleting.(I discovered the talk page later on) the actual diferences between a us genesis board and a brazilian mega drive board are only in video encoder and rf modulator that some of the early brazilian system have. later systems was ntsc only because overtime the biggest part of the tvs had automatic format detection for easy check try downloading brazilian game roms and check it info in an emulator it will be ntsc-u (I know an emulator test does not work as a source) Brazil even received 32x and sega cd systems that was exacly like the us releases Aoalvo (talk) 21:52, 21 July 2014 (UTC)


 * You raise an interesting question, Aoalvo. This article is not about the television systems, but just the game platform (television systems have their own articles). To make sure I have understood you correctly, you say that the Mega Drive systems were NTSC-US during the time of the games' initial release in Brazil, and it's only the television sets that were PAL-M.
 * This brings into question whether Brazil should be separated into the Other release column, because the NA release column is currently described as including other NTSC regions, which by that definition would include Brazil even though it's South America. I personally would read the NA release column as being just for the Genesis, and the other columns are for the Mega Drive, whether they accept the same cartridges or not (just a marketing and copyright naming issue). The Other release column is pretty thin. I can't imagine a game system being sold for just a couple of games; Brazil must have a larger library of official releases.
 * Unfortunately, I can't make the changes you are suggesting without a reputable source because this discussion is well beyond my scope (which is why I opened the discussion). In addition, Red Phoenix  put a lot of work into the article's current format, and I'm not prepared unleash a shakeup of the article without some sort of collaborative effort. While I'd recommend Mark Bussler who runs the Classic Game Room as a reputable video game journalist, I don't think they will have much knowledge of the Brazilian Mega Drive. I could be wrong, though, and thus will send CGM a message. Thank you, Aoalvo, for taking part in this discussion. If you have any further information to share, please continue to do so.<BR>
 * Christopher, Salem, OR (talk) 08:17, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I can't make the changes you are suggesting without a reputable source because this discussion is well beyond my scope (which is why I opened the discussion). In addition, Red Phoenix  put a lot of work into the article's current format, and I'm not prepared unleash a shakeup of the article without some sort of collaborative effort. While I'd recommend Mark Bussler who runs the Classic Game Room as a reputable video game journalist, I don't think they will have much knowledge of the Brazilian Mega Drive. I could be wrong, though, and thus will send CGM a message. Thank you, Aoalvo, for taking part in this discussion. If you have any further information to share, please continue to do so.<BR>
 * Christopher, Salem, OR (talk) 08:17, 22 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Message has been sent to Classic Game Room, asking for their assistance in this discussion as a well-established video game journalist.<BR>
 * Christopher, Salem, OR (talk) 08:33, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

anyone still interested ? the only way to get real conclusions would be: take some brazil mega drive games a genesis a BR mega drive a EU mega drive and do the testing all brazil made hardware runs in 60hz, I don't know how they react with EU or JP region locked games but they do run all the genesis games fine none brazil exclusive game have region encoding.there are some made in brazil copies of comic zone and other games that are region locked and the game looks exacly like the US release. would be great if CGR make a page about it(based in testing) :PAoalvo (talk) 05:05, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

The Brazilian game should be stated as what they really are, PAL-M games, nowadays PAL-M is not used anymore, but in the past Atari 2600, Master System, Mega Drive and others were PAL-M and if used on NTSC monitor or no output video or it shows without color. For Europpean standard we say PAL because it not necessary to say the full name of PAL-N or PAL-I in UK. At same time NTSC-J is only referred because it was released on another region, so doesnt matter the system or the game works differently, so PAL-M should not be marked as PAL or NTSC(U)/(J)191.191.34.50 (talk) 01:10, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

missing brazilian game
the game Turma da Mônica na Terra dos Monstros is missing and I wanna add it year 1994 developer:webstone / Sega / Tectoy published by Tectoy Reference http://www.sega-brasil.com.br/Tectoy/index.php?title=Turma_da_M%C3%B4nica_na_Terra_dos_Monstros ( in portuguese )

I would like to add the brazilian name of YuYu Hakusho: Makyo Toitsusen that is Yu Yu Hakusho Sunset Fighters

reference http://www.sega-brasil.com.br/Tectoy/index.php?title=Yu_Yu_Hakusho_Sunset_Fighters

I'sorry to have tried to add some master system games by mistake like Sapo Xulé vs Os Invasores do Brejo and translations of mega drive games (a translated games list would be interresting to have, maybe elsewhere) I would like to apologize for any annoyance I could have created around here,I was just trying to improve a good list Aoalvo (talk) 01:09, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Neither of those references are going to work because they're not reliable, unfortunately. Sega-Brasil is little more than a wiki added by fans with no reliable fact-checking, just as Wikipedia is.  No one's upset with you, Aoalvo, so no worries there.  The thing is that Wikipedia has to be very reliably sourced, and the definition of a "reliable source" isn't just something mentioned on a fan site on the internet.  Most times, this'll mean it comes from an unbiased media entity that has a reputation for fact-checking, or from a notable individual, i.e. a well-established video game journalist.  There are still a couple of things missing, most notably to me are some Taiwanese pirate games, but as it stands this list contains everything that could be found from reliable sources unless new ones come to light.  I hate to say that, but I spent days scrounging the internet looking for them a few months ago.   Red Phoenix  let's talk... 14:15, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Oh my god. This is was very very hard to find but here is a reference from the official Tec Toy page from Web Archives. https://web.archive.org/web/20030811120425/http://asp.tectoy.com.br:80/videogames/mega/jogos/yuyu.asp The are a few other fragments citing the release at the Christmas of 1999. 191.191.34.50 (talk) 03:32, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Table Sort by Region Not Working
When I try to click on the arrow to sort the table by region (IE: North America), it does not work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.97.1.166 (talk) 03:12, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Fixed. ~ <b style="color: #660000;">Dissident93</b> (<b style="color: #D18719;">talk</b>) 04:57, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

missing "Darius" game
"darius 1" was ported to genesis in 2019, and added in Genesis Mini, maybe can be added on the list — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:7F0:E181:7B94:35E9:787D:340E:A53D (talk) 01:31, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Darius is exclusive to the Genesis Mini, it was never released as an actual cartridge. I don't think it should be here. Namcokid  47  (Contribs) 01:48, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

"Wonder Library" is not a game
its a program, a addon, there's a lot more programs, this single one no need to be here — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:7F0:E181:7B94:6D62:7676:FA41:A33C (talk) 13:50, 21 June 2020 (UTC)