Talk:List of Sega arcade system boards

Incomplete
We need to finish this list. There's still some boards missing. Red Phoenix (Talk) 20:12, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah...I see that Sega's Aurora board isn't on the list, and that one is relatively the same age as Lindberg. Also...would Sammy's Atomiswave count?  I mean, Sega did merge with Sammy, the board was released after the merger, and it is based on Dreamcast hardware (which itself was based on NAOMI hardware). Therealspiffyone (talk) 18:09, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Additionally, each board should have a list of games that used it. Kouban (talk) 03:05, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Europa-R CPU
Well, we all know there is no Pentium Dual-Core with 3.4 GHz, so does anyone have reliable information what CPU it really is? I guess it would be either a Pentium D (although that would be a dumb choice) or a Core 2 Duo. -- Darklock (talk) 11:38, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest it was Pentium D 945, which was going very cheap around its EOL (under $100, which was considerably cheaper than Core Duo); besides, Pentiums D were popularily referred to as "dual-core Pentium" long before Intel intoduced that nameplate, and that's probably the source of confusion. I've changed the specifications. --83.167.100.36 (talk) 19:00, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Categories
I was just reading the Namco system board page and noticed it had some categories so I've added something similar here. I hope I did it right?WorkingBeaver (talk) 10:55, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Sega Model 2 section
It says: "This, combined with the fact that some games were available for both 2A-CRX and 2B-CRX, led to the reverse engineering of the Model 2 and Model 2A-CRX DSPs." Is there a source for this claim? WorkingBeaver (talk) 12:38, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Triforce?
Apologies if I missed conseus, but why is Triforce redirected here? It's processor is based on the GameCube, a Nintendo system, with some based on Sega, but why here? Only some of the games for it are even from Sega. Magiciandude (talk) 07:25, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed, it should be placed in the Nintendo GameCube article. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 00:03, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Model 3 = last Sega custom board?
Can the Model 3 is also last Sega board to use custom design rather than a PC/console derivative?Junk Police (talk) 13:13, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Ring Edge / Ring Wide
Here are the specs of Sega's new boards. If you can read Japanese, please translate the information and add it to the article. -- Stormwatch (talk) 12:20, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Sega System 8?
Doing my research on what the name of the arcade board Wonder Boy in Monster Land ran on, I keep seeing "Sega System 8" on sites like KLOV and Classics Arcade Database. I'm guessing this board has a relation to the System 2 board (which I see Wonder Boy in Monster Land and similar games also listed under such as here, here, and even here) or if this is a matter of different nomenclature for the same board. Obviously, the specs are nearly identical to that of the System 1 and 2 boards. Can anyone clarify on this? –MuZemike 20:29, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

NEC V60 is not a RISC
Wikipedia`s own page on the V60 identifies it as a CISC. Looking at the V60 user`s manual I think it is pretty clear that it is not RISC. 74.65.127.127 (talk) 22:34, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Suicide Battery?
The system 18 entry mentions a suicide battery and refers readers to system 16. Neither entry explains what the suicide battery is. 209.40.220.251 (talk) 02:43, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Jaybee77 (talk) 22:51, 30 November 2011 (UTC) Lindbergh last game Jaybee77 (talk) 22:51, 30 November 2011 (UTC) Text in article: The last game to run on Lindbergh was MJ4 Evolution.[31] The last game on Lindbergh was Answer X Answer Live on Lindbergh Red in 2010 [Reference: http://am-show.sega.jp/aou11/lineup/ananl/index.html Reference]
 * To clarify, "suicide battery" generally refers to an arrangement by which encryption keys or other vital data are stored in SRAM powered by a battery. When the battery dies, the PCB is rendered permanently inoperable, in the sense that there is no way to reprogram the RAM from within the PCB itself &mdash; hence the term "suicide."
 * Actually clarifying the technical details in the article remains TODO. SoledadKabocha (talk) 05:09, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

System 24 CD-ROMs?
I think the alleged CD-ROM capability of System 24 may be a myth. At least, none of the System 24 games known to the MAME project use CD storage. Does anyone know of evidence that there were System 24 PCBs officially released with CD-ROMs? SoledadKabocha (talk) 05:09, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
 * This appears to have been resolved by [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Sega_arcade_system_boards&diff=551907871&oldid=547690057 this edit], which removed the mention of CDs. --SoledadKabocha (talk) 17:47, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Chihiro Upgradeable RAM
The RAM has been proven to be 128MB, twice that of the Xbox but in no way upgradeable. All the upgrade options simply refer to the GD-ROM DIMM Board which can go up to 1GB on the Chihiro. --86.169.168.185 (talk) 18:26, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

November 2016???????
"Sega Nu Releasing in November 2016. Nu is based on a mid-range PC running Windows 10." Hey guys, It's JAN 19th today!!! Did I traveled back to sometime??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.81.192.9 (talk) 08:04, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Sega Nu Games
Hello fellow Wikipedians, The information regarding there only being an single Sega NU game released outside of Japan is incorrect. I have personally played an Sega NU game, Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games (if you need the image: https://imgur.com/a/M08IxQg). Can someone who knows how many games that have been released oustide of Japan update the article with changes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.244.132.136 (talk) 21:42, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

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Planning a total rewrite
Hi all, just a heads up: I'm planning a total rewrite of this in my sandbox to try and correct the poor referencing and streamline the mass of clutter. I could certainly use some ideas or some discussion about it if anyone is here and interested; this won't be a quick process. Red Phoenix talk  15:43, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Why would anyone remove so valuable technical specifications information in the favour of "uncluttering"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.36.244.67 (talk) 20:00, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * In case anyone asks this question again: It's not "uncluttering" that's the main purpose. It's the total and complete lack of reliable sources on the subject.  Nothing indicates that popular sources for this info, such as System16, are reliable in any stretch of the imagination.  The purpose of the current structure is to focus on what reliable sources say are important about these boards.  If reliable sources don't cover it, it's probably not valuable in Wikipedia's eyes.  At least in this way, the list is now compliant with Wikipedia policies and standards.  WP:V, WP:OR, and WP:RS apply.   Red Phoenix  talk  21:08, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

What a shame. This used to be a great article with interesting and informative detailed specifications of the Sega arcade line. Viewing the evolution of designs was fantastic. Now it is a barren shell. Quite sad. Packlad (talk) 08:42, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Too bad like 90% of the info in the original version was not sourced. Namcokid  47  (Contribs) 15:44, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

WhiteStar
This is listed as a Sega board at Arcade system board, but isn't listed here. Was it just missed, doesn't have any good supporting sources, or should be struck from the other list?&#32;-- Fyrael (talk) 15:07, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * WhiteStar isn’t really an “arcade” system board - it was only used in pinball machines, and also not exclusively by Sega, either. Add to that the lack of reliable sources about the subject, and I’d say it falls outside the scope of this list, and that one.  Red Phoenix  talk  16:08, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Anchors
The recent table-based rewrite appears not to have given any attention to preserving the functionality of the former section anchors; at least there are various redirects that point at those anchors.

Any objections if I place as needed within the table? --SoledadKabocha (talk) 00:37, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * As long as it functions correctly, go for it. Red Phoenix  talk  01:20, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Apologies for not watching this discussion, but real life takes priority right now, especially since the task doesn't seem trivial&mdash;many of the redirects themselves would need to be edited, since there are often several redirects for the same arcade system board that use inconsistent target anchors. --SoledadKabocha (talk) 06:59, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

screen size
i can not find articles were the screensize is given in a X times Y ratio, like 360x200 or what every they use. in which article should this hardware info be to be found if not here?85.149.83.125 (talk) 12:16, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Referencing
Please, everyone, mind your sources. System16 looks like a fantastic source, but nothing establishes its reliability, and that means we can't use it. WP:VG/S is a great guide of sources that are reliable. Red Phoenix talk  16:20, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Listing non-Sega games
I noticed that Dead or Alive (a Tecmo property) is listed in the Model 2 box. Should it be kept or taken out? If it is to be kept, then I would say that it would allow other non-Sega releases, such as SlipStream (System 32) and Mario Kart Arcade GP (Triforce) to be added sparingly. Marisauna (talk) 01:45, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with it either way; Dead or Alive was listed as an example of the cited statement that the Model 2 arcade system board was licensed to other companies. As it comes to listing games, I'm more worried about just having examples than a number, and isn't meant to be all-inclusive (List of Sega arcade video games would be a wonderful place for a detailed list).  Citations also have to be good - I had to purge a lot of unreliable sources when framing this up because there's not a ton of what Wikipedia would call reliable sources on arcade system boards as a whole.  Red Phoenix  talk  04:05, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Sega NAOMI
Someone should add Capcom vs. SNK: Millennium Fight 2000 and Capcom vs. SNK 2: Mark of the Millennium 2001. Stein256 (talk) 17:38, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The idea is not to list every game on each arcade system board, just to provide a few examples. I think the games part of the list is getting out of hand as it is.  Red Phoenix  talk  17:42, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Extremely helpful source
It'll take some translating, but I did a little flipping through the Sega Arcade History book in Japanese. Pages 60-71 have an immense amount of arcade system board information on System 1 through NAOMI, much more so than I've ever seen in a reliable source. Red Phoenix talk  13:02, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Sega arcade system boards
1. Stating that the Sega ALLS is capable of running Unreal Engine 4 games sounds... out of place. It would have been better to state some of the specs of the hardware. The ALLS runs on Windows 10. 2. Some of the notable hardware should deserve their own article. Gorilli09 (talk) 21:56, 27 February 2024 (UTC)


 * A bit late here, but want to address both points:
 * 1: Yes, the bit about ALLS running UE4 does seem out of place, but the main issue here is there’s not much to say about it in sources that are actually reliable. That was really the only factoid I could pull out that was in a reliable source.
 * 2: Originally there was an article for each hardware, and they were merged here for the same reason; there isn’t much in the way of reliable sources for almost any of them.
 * The sad thing is, there’s tons of great info about the boards on fansites, other wiki’s such as Sega Retro, etc., but none of it meets Wikipedia’s standards for reliability. Coverage in news organizations and the gaming press is slim to none, and that’s why this list exists as it does and I’ve been extremely cautious to curate it as I have while allowing as many additions by others as can be sourced reliably to the standards.  Red Phoenix  talk  19:41, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Standards for game inclusion
If anyone’s still reading this page…

I’m becoming concerned about how many games are being added in the examples of games column. The purpose of adding this column was not to list every game on each board (List of Sega arcade games would handle that better) but just to provide a few examples to establish a rough timeline of each board’s lifespan and, with variants that can be reliably sourced, show some examples. Should there be a standard or a limit on how many games each board has listed? Red Phoenix talk  19:45, 20 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Even so, surely Outrun 2 SP should be on there as one of their more iconic titles? 86.22.138.202 (talk) 16:58, 20 June 2024 (UTC)