Talk:List of Seinfeld characters/Archive 1

Teri Hatcher, pre-Lois and Clark
It should be noted that when the farmer's daughter calls Newman "Norman" (notice the similarity) it's merely to show that, though she claims to love him, she hardly knows his name. It doesn't in any way mean that his first name might be "Norman". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.130.90.125 (talk) 07:42, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

''"Newman"). It should be noted that when the farmer's daughter calls Newman "Norman" (notice the similarity) it's merely to show that, though she claims to love him, she hardly knows his name.  It doesn't in any way mean that his first name might be "Norman".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.130.90.125 (talk) 07:40, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

"Teri Hatcher, as Sidra ("The Implant", "The Pilot", "The Finale"). It should be noted that Hatcher also played Lois Lane on the TV series The Adventures of Lois and Clark and her casting was probably an in-joke."

The Implant originally aired in Feb 1993 (and was no doubt filmed in 1992), while Lois and Clark didn't premiere until September 1993. I find it hard to believe that this is really an in-joke, more likely a coincidence. I'm editing this unless someone has more/better info. PxT 18:36, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Jo(h)n Voig(h)t
I've been fixing mass quantities of misspellings of the name Jon Voigt; it was uniformly Voight all over the wiki, and that's wrong ... but on this page I can't be sure that the second occurence of Voight is wrong, because it's a different (perhaps ficticious) person referred to == and Voight might actually be a more common (and therefore likely) spelling. ;Bear 05:47, 2004 Sep 8 (UTC)
 * I'd say the second spelling is 'John Voigt' .. when Jerry makes fun that the name is spelled wrong, he only picks on the Jon, John difference, so we can assume the dentist John Voigt's surname is spelled the same as the actor's. -- Generica 01:45, Sep 9, 2004 (UTC)
 * I do realise this conversation is almost a year old, but I am sure it's Jon Voight. Check the IMDb link here. "Google Fight" yields 134,000 results for Jon Voigt and 674,000 results for Jon Voight. Wow, this is just like what happened on the TV show. -Hyad 07:34, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

Secondary Characters
I recommend splitting up secondary characters in a new article and sort the characters according to relation (comparable to List of characters from The Simpsons). Anyone agree or disagree?--Will2k 19:30, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

Make-up sex

 * conjugal visit sex - the second best sex to have, fugitive sex being first and make-up sex being third.

It's a while since I saw that episode, but wasn't break-up sex mentioned in this context as well? RMoloney 01:08, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Trivia
People, this article is not "Seinfeld characters and culture", it is "Seinfeld trivia". I was expecting a discussion of Seinfeld's place in culture, or its use of culture. Instead I find (amonst other things) a list of people who are mentioned once in the series. Can we trim this back? It's already out of hand. At the very least lets give it it's right name. DJ Clayworth 14:15, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree that it has gotten out of hand. If you look at the page history, a lot of the recent work that has been done is by IP addresses (possibly people unfamiliar with the overall goals of the wikipedia). Personally I think it should be moved to "Seinfeld characters," with the Seinfeld sayings section dropped. This section (at least; perhaps more of the page) violates the Wikipedia is not guidelines (a list of quotes). Whitejay251 17:58, 3 October 2005 (UTC)


 * What I suggest is: 1) rename the page "Minor chracters in Seinfeld". 2) Remove the people who are only referenced and don't actually appear 3) Remove the characters for which there is already an article (that's a surprising number, including a rooster who appears in only one episode) 4) Remove the sayings, though I'm a little reluctant to just kill them all. Is there somewhere else they could go? 5) Move the pseudonyms to the articles about the characters. How does that sound? DJ Clayworth 18:12, 3 October 2005 (UTC)


 * absolutely agree
 * if we make this page about minor characters, that would make sense - however, much as you are reluctant to kill all the quotes, I'm reluctant to kill this list, perhaps spin it to its own page?
 * disagree, although we could shorten some of the summaries of who they are on this page.
 * Perhaps they can be transwikied to wikiquotes. Not sure on this at all though. I'll look into it.
 * agreed.
 * Let's get to it then! Whitejay251 18:35, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Under "Actual people played by others" it says "Monica Seles as 'herself'". Obviously both of these can't be true. There are similar entries in the same section. DJ Clayworth 14:39, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I decided to investigate whether or not that was JFKJr. playing himself: here it implies he did, but here it says he did not. (I didn't spend much time on this). IMDB doesn't list a credit for the role. Whitejay251 19:13, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Splitting off
Okay, I see that movement is finally occuring on clean-up of this page. I'm going about splitting off new pages of the some of the stuff it's been agreed doesn't belong on a minor characters page. It's stuff that's of use to a Seinfeld fan but may not be encyclopedic. Let's see how long it is until they're AfD'd. Anyway, new pages created: All that remains is to incorporate pseudonyms into main character articles if I'm not mistaken. Whitejay251 19:13, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
 * List of Seinfeld references to actual people
 * List of Seinfeld terms

Poppie or Poppy?
The character is listed as Poppie on this page, but as Poppy on the actor's page. Most online references seem to use Poppy, but one, seinfeldscripts, calls him Poppie... the scripts there have been say they are transcribed - it doesn't say if they were transcribed from the shows, or from copies of the original scripts. If the latter, then I guess Poppie would be definitive, but otherwise?!?!?1 Jafafa Hots 00:48, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

They show the sign of his restaurant in the show. I'm pretty sure it's "Poppie's." 68.223.97.32 15:15, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Poppie/Reni Santoni also needs to be added to the "Celebrities or significant TV actors not playing themselves." He is course known as Harry Callahan's new partner in the original "Dirty Harry," Chico Gonzalez. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.223.109.234 (talk) 15:29, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * This may be a little late, but it's Poppie, according to the DVD cases. Kevinbrogers (talk) 15:40, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Rebecca DeMornay
How about adding the african-american woman named Rebecca DeMornay? She was the person from a homeless shelter that complained about the topless muffins... the only thing is, I don't know the episode name, and I don't know if she appeared in more than one episode (She may have been in the finale, for instance?) Jafafa Hots 23:19, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

She appeared in the episodes The Muffin Tops and The Bookstore. The episode you were talking about was The Muffin Tops. In the episode The Bookstore George trys to donate a book to a homeless shelter, but she won't take it when she found out that the book had been in the bathroom. Therabbot (talk) 09:30, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Calvin Klein
I think he's in the wrong section. Didn't he play himself? 68.223.97.32 15:16, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


 * No, the character of Calvin Klein was played by Nick Hormann.  He does look similar (see this picture of Calvin Klein himself Anson2995 16:28, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Notable one-time characters
Notable one-time characters. Smuckers the dog? The Pig-Man? The Saddam Hussein look-alike? Give me a break. Do you really think that this is going to become part of the enduring historical record relating to Seinfeld?

We need to get rid of a lot of this. This is not a dumping ground for a one-line description of every character who has even been on Seinfeld. I think the title is partially to blame, since "notable" is up to interpretation and places no definite limits on inclusion, but this absolutely needs to be cleaned up and culled.

Perhaps we could start with only including the characters who reappeared in "The Finale"? That shows at least that the writers felt that those characters were memorable enough to be reintroduced. Kane5187 11:36, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

How could anyone forget Todd Gack. That amazes me.

Smuckers must be on the website as I refer to him on one of my websites!

I agree totally with Todd Gack. That name is the complete antithesis to Alec Berg (Burg).

Corky Ramirez
212.23.60.56 16:02, 9 August 2006 (UTC)MRL-An aside. Kramer's friend Corky Ramirez is a real person. He's the stage manager for the David Letterman show. As said before, they're real, and beautiful.

Russel Dalrimple
There are two things about this character which need to be learned. First off, how is his name spelled? I have seen it as Dalrymple and Dalrimple, but I wouldn't be suprised if it wasn't even one of those two. Secondly, how many episodes does he actually occur in. I know he is in the following episodes: The Pitch, The Ticket, The Wallet, The Watch, The Virgin, The Shoes, The Pilot, Part 1, and The Pilot, Part 2. (I say 7 episodes because I am pretty sure that The Pilot Part 1 and 2 count as 1 episode together). If anyone can expland on any of this, please do. Acidskater (talk) 23:09, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Imaginary Characters
I propose to create a different section for them, if not straightforward deletion. Imaginary characters differ from unseen characters; not separating those two is not only incorrect, but takes away the mystery from Bob Sacamano and co. 80.138.230.232 (talk) 06:38, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Kramer's other friends "Lomez" and "Jay Riemanschneider" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.212.123.14 (talk) 23:38, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I have merged the pages of minor recurring characters in Seinfeld into this article. It's silly to have one paragraph about a character who's on this page. (See merged pages below.)

One issue I see: How does merging Sally Weaver into this article affect the categories on that page, Category:Fictional comedians and Category:Fictional characters from Tennessee? I'm interested in opinions.  ~ InkQuill  03:02, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Larry the Cook does not need his own page! That is ridiculous and totally uninformative. As far as merging Sally Weaver, she would no longer appear in those categories, but who cares, she was a minor character - thats the whole point of the merge right? Smooth0707 (talk) 16:10, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I imagine there could be an argument made for some, but I think most are too trivial.  ~ InkQuill  19:33, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I've merged "Larry the Cook" [04:10, 2 February 2008 (UTC)]; "Mr. Kruger" [04:48, 9 February 2008 (UTC)]; "Lomez" [05:10, 10 February 2008 (UTC)]; "Mr. Wilhelm" [02:50, 14 February 2008 (UTC)]; "Mr. Lippman" [16:58, 16 February 2008 (UTC)]; "Carol (Seinfeld character)" [21:28, 21 February 2008 (UTC)]; "Sally Weaver" [23:29, 22 February 2008 (UTC)]; "Mickey Abbott" [23:42, 26 February 2008 (UTC)]; "Tim Whatley" [04:28, 1 March 2008 (UTC)]; and "Lloyd Braun (Seinfeld)" [21:56, 3 March 2008 (UTC)]; and "Sue Ellen Mischke". Stubby minor character pages now all merged in.  ~ InkQuill  23:50, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, Peterman and Pitt stand out from the others. They can have their owns but I say merge the others. GraMicE Talk 21:58, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I say merge (although I think a case can be made for Peterman). All articles in question are short enough where they can be displayed in full on this page anyways, so we aren't really losing anything, if anything, improving. smooth 0707 (talk) 02:47, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I think it's fine to keep Peterman.  ~ InkQuill  16:58, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Merger proposal 2
I'd really like to eliminate redundancies in the Seinfeld articles. Here are two issues:

First List of Seinfeld cast members is totally unnecessary. Everything on it is in this article or in Seinfeld and this article is far more complete.

Second, there's a bunch of repetition in this article. Many guest stars appear twice, in "Celebrities who played themselves" and "Notable one-time characters", among other places. I'd like to consolidate it--maybe by merging the "Actual people" section entirely into others. What think?  ~ InkQuill  17:37, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Do what you think is best, but i certainly agree with you on one point..List of Seinfeld cast members is a totally worthless article. smooth 0707  (talk) 20:30, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I redirected the cast member list.  ~ InkQuill  04:02, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Mr. Littman
You have Mr. Littman credited as being only one person, but in fact the first appearance of Mr. Littman he was someone other then Richard Fancy, Harris Shore. According to Unofficial Seinfeld Encyclopedia, he appeared in "The Libary."


 * It was right in the paragraph below the grid. I added Shore to the grid (but it's Lippman).  ~ InkQuill  02:53, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Celebrities or significant TV actors not playing themselves
If this is a list of characters in Seinfeld, how come "celebrities or significant TV actors not playing themselves" are listed under "Actual people"? If their characters merit inclusion in the "Notable one-time characters" section, that's the place for them; if not, I fail to see how the fame of a Seinfeld actor would make him a Seinfeld character in his own right. -- Jao (talk) 17:31, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I think I've answered your concern.  ~ InkQuill  22:19, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Not really. To take an example: currently both Dr. Tim Whatley and Bryan Cranston are listed, Whatley as a "Character appearing in 5 or more episodes" and Cranston as a "Celebrity or significant TV actor not playing himself". Whatley clearly belongs on the list, being a Seinfeld character (and of course it should be mentioned, as it already is, that he is played by Cranston), but I don't understand why Cranston warrants his own entry in a list of characters. -- Jao (talk) 13:05, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * He doesn't. This has been on the to-do list. See "Merger Proposal 2" above. Just haven't gotten around to it ... go ahead and redo, if you're up to it.  ~ InkQuill  21:40, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, I really should have looked closer on the talk page before adding to it. I'm glad to hear it's being addressed, and I'll see if I get around to helping out with it. -- Jao (talk) 11:20, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Didn't Brian Dennehy portray one of the Houston Astros employees in an episode? -Hsxeric (talk) 4:04, 04 Feb 2010

Rachel?
Rachel is not on this list (the raincoats) 99.232.203.75 (talk) 14:18, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Rachel was also in The Hamptons. Therabbot (talk) 09:33, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Russel Dalrymple?
My name is Scott Dalrymple, and I find this character pretty interesting. When he is introduced, it is in the same episode that George keeps trying to spell people's last name. He guesses that Russel's is 'Dalrimpel', or something like that, and then george says "is it with a 'y'" and Russel replies simply "no". I know (obviously) that the name is properely spelled 'Dalrymple', but by what the character replies to George, it would seem his name is not spelled this way. Does anyone have any information or comments on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fshoutofdawater (talk • contribs) 00:34, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

The Doctor
The Doctor is listed in the 5 or more episodes section, but he's only in 4. Therabbot (talk) 09:35, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Imaginary Characters and Aliases
I would like to suggest adding "Slappy White", the alias that Jerry claims to have used when registered as a guest at Bally's - Atlantic City. At the time, he is actually trying to buy back the Cadillac for his parents from Jack Klompas in "The Money". Scholardiogenes (talk) 17:04, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Trimming of this page
Why do we have individual entries for Imaginary Characters, Notable one-time characters, and Notable animals? Isn't this stretching far far into WP:NOTEVERYTHING territory? Wikipedia is not the place to list every single piece of trivia related to Seinfeld. If people want, start a separate Wiki for Seinfeld (if one doesn't already exist). We want only highly important, encyclopedic info, not a laundry list of everything. However, I won't remove that part without allowing for discussion first. Qwyrxian (talk) 01:17, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * One last chance: unless someone provides reliable justification, I am going to remove everything mentioned above. Qwyrxian (talk) 00:53, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've now removed the animals, 1 time characters, guest appearances, and imaginary characters per WP:NOT.  Qwyrxian (talk) 23:30, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Larry the Cook's orientation
Larry, the owner/cook of Monk's, is described as "possibly gay." I may be incorrect, but I don't recall this ever being mentioned and a quick google search didn't reveal any other sources except this page. Can anyone give any source for this claim? This edit appeared on June 23, 2011 and has not been changed since.

On a related note, I think descriptions like this should probably cite at least an episode as a source, to help keep opinions out. Db26 (talk) 02:28, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

I do not recall the owner of Monks exhibiting a "gay" appearance in the least (Not that there's anything wrong with that). In fact, he was rather aggressive...ex...don't bring in outside condiments; tell your boyfriend to quit calling here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.27.145.73 (talk) 04:29, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

"The Good Samaritan"
My apologies, but I could have sworn that the "hit and run" driver was the from Drew Carey and Scrubs. Could someone help me with that one, as it does not list her in "The Good Samaritan" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.27.145.73 (talk) 04:32, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

More removal needed
As with my previous removal, I'm giving notice here. The sections on "invisible characters" and "aliases" are going to be removed unless there's some really good justification here. Characters means those people who appear in a story/show/movie/etc. People that are talked about but not seen are not characters. Similarly, an alternate name for a person is not a character, it's just a different name. Again, Wikipedia is not a fansite; if there isn't one already, fans can create their own SeinfeldWiki where they can list every trivial detail that they like. We need to stick with encyclopedic content. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:45, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

minor ce of lede
I did a minor ce of the lede. Any problems with that? Thank you. --Mollskman (talk) 17:48, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Reorganization
We definitely need some better organization for the characters. I split up the Recurring Characters in to those that occur in at least 5 episodes which I think is fair. Obviously, you have background characters in 5 eps included, like Dugan, but major characters in fewer eps not included, like Lloyd Braun or Babu.


 * I propose we have sections like Jerry's girlfriends, etc. To better organize the page. It is just going to get worse until it includes every mention of a character.


 * Maybe we should split up characters and culture. Though related this page is getting big.

--vossman 14:56, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

The link to Michael J. McShane (the judge) should be to Michael McShane the actor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.171.188.178 (talk) 23:33, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Keith Hernandez
Shouldn't Keith Hernandez be in this list? He appeared in "The Boyfriend" (a two parter) and "The Finale" (a two parter in syndication).MayerG (talk) 19:06, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Geoffrey or Jeffrey Harwood or Har-Harwood
I couldn't find this name on list of minor characters. Did I miss it somehow? If not, probably should be added to list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.87.87.183 (talk) 13:20, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Sid Farkus
Patrick Cronin as Sid Farkus appears in "The Sniffing Accountant" and "The Doorman". How exactly are the entries ordered? It seems random to me. Ulmanor (talk) 22:24, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Frank Costanza minor character?
I really think that Frank Costanza deserves his own page... he was one of the all-time best characters not just on Seinfeld but ever.. he brought us Festivus and so many great moments. There's plenty of solid resources about the discussion of his character too. And Jerry Stiller earned an Emmy nomination for playing him. I didn't find anything in the archive discussing it - would anyone mind if I made a character page for him? Wikimandia (talk) 03:58, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Kevin: the Bizarro Jerry
Wasn't Kevin, also known as the Bizarro-Jerry, also Elaine's boyfriend in the episode called "the Soul Mate," in which George leaves a briefcase behind to see if anyone's talking about him?
 * I don't know when you wrote this message but yes, and then they decided to break up but stay friends (like Elaine and Jerry did). Wikimandia (talk) 03:59, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Major redirection
I have just redirected all of the pages on minor characters that don't have any out-of-universe references back to this page. Character pages are not exceptions to the rules on notability--unless those characters are independently notable, they can't have their own page. Qwyrxian (talk)

Veralyn Jones was in three episodes as Renee, Elaine's Coworker. Why is she not in the minor characters list? Could someone please add her to the minor characters list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.53.176.96 (talk) 07:01, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Poppy's mother
"tells traumatizing stories of his mother's life under Communist rule" There never was Communist rule in Italy. PoisonGodmachine (talk) 05:19, 9 January 2021 (UTC)