Talk:List of Shugo Chara! characters

Chara/Character
74.71.66.121 does have a point; Del Rey's translation of the manga uses "Character" instead of "Chara" (for instance, volume 2, page 4). If the convention is to use the names as provided by English licensors/translators, these terms should be changed to "Character". —TangentCube, Dialogues 02:27, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Further discussion of this topic should take place at Talk:Shugo Chara!. —TangentCube, Dialogues 02:30, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Needing cleanup
There is a lot of fan speculation and original research going on though the article. Also because random people are adding random details, the descriptions are coming out stilted. Perhaps some of the character descriptions should be rewritten for the most part. Unfortunately, as soon as the article is fixed, the problems will reappear. --Farix (Talk) 03:48, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Character description lengths
I've been debating on just how long the character descriptions should be. We want these descriptions to be a brief overview of the character but not give every plot point related to that character. So I'm proposing a 400 word per character limit. This doesn't sound too short to everyone else? This limit would, however, not apply to out-of-universe information such as character concept, development, and reception. But at that point, the character can be spun out into a separate article. However, I honestly don't see that happening with this series. --Farix (Talk) 14:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Iru/Il, Eru/El
If you see Talk:Shugo Chara!, you can see that we use Character Change, Character Transformation and Guardian Character instead of Chara Change, Chara Become, and Shugo Chara/Guardian Chara respectively because these where the terms used by the English language published by Del Rey Manga. For the same reasons, we should use the Del Rey Manga's spellings of character names, this goes for Il and El as well as Su. We should not be picking and choosing between Del Ray's translation and fansubers/scanlations translations. --Farix (Talk) 12:47, 15 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't understand your use of fansubers and scanlations (is this 'scan translations' = translations made by scans?). I think that you are using the two nouns in a negative way. Iru and Eru are the real names/pronounciations according to the kanji. I do agree on the point of 'Il' and 'El', in the term of using the Del Rey translation. --&lt;The Integer Conundrum&gt; (talk) 10:11, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


 * If you don't know what a fansub or scanlation is, then you clearly haven't been around anime and manga for very long as these are very common terms. You can check up on the article for both subjects to familiarize yourself. And in the process, also familiarize yourself with the anime/manga manual of style. --Farix (Talk) 10:28, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Article structure
I'm beginning to wondering if the structure of the article is really the best way to organize the characters. First off, I'm thinking it would be better to list the Guardian Characters with their owners instead of in a separate section. Also, I think that it would probably be better to organize the characters as protagonists, antagonists, and secondary characters. Though that still leaves the question of how to place Nikaidou, Ikuto, and Utau, though they can probably be listed as antagonists. --Farix (Talk) 01:38, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Or another idea would be to group them as main characters, supporting characters, and tertiary characters. --Farix (Talk) 01:39, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I like the second idea better. Utau is currently a protagonist after all, but the families also seem to work better in my opinion. Recently, more background has been revealed about Tadase and Ikuto's childhood, and Tadase's parents play a large part of it. (And by large, I mean really large.)
 * Once information starts leaking out, their profiles would probably turn into something like the Tsukiyomis'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.234.28.90 (talk) 08:07, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

General outline of the new article organization:


 * Main characters (characters whom the story focuses on)
 * Amu Hinamori, Tadase Hotori, Ikuto Tsukiyomi, and Utau Hoshina.
 * Supporting characters (plays a significant role in the story)
 * Other guardians, Yuu Nikaidou, and Yukari Sanjo
 * Minor characters (don't play a major role in the story)
 * Amu's family, Nobuko Saeki, Saaya Yamabuki, and Suzuki.

Farix (Talk) 12:38, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Mmm... doesn't Tsukasa play a significant role in the story though? 72.253.254.43 (talk) 09:15, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Uh,sorry,shouldn't it refer to the original Japanese form, differing characters by the organizations and status they are in? ? 140.123.174.145 (talk) 13:15, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * What ja.wp does is their own business, and we have no obligation to follow their lead. —tan³ tx 09:39, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * No. This is the English language Wikipedia and the format of the article is based on what the editors on the English language Wikipedia decide is best for the article. Characters switch which organizations as the story progress, so formatting them by organization isn't optimal. But the characters rarely change status as main, supporting, or minor character. How the Japanese language Wikipedia formats their version of the article has no baring here. --Farix (Talk) 11:58, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Although there is no rule, it is just a referance. Status and organization are formal categories for characters introduction. This will lead surfers to find faster and get known easily.140.123.174.145 (talk) 13:15, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Listing characters that way leads to unnecessary repetition. There is no reason to have Amu listed in three different sections, especially when all but the first consist solely of a link back up to the top of the page.  (Also, don't assume that your view is correct and revert the article to your preferred version, especially when you are engaging in dialogue on this talk page.)  —tan³ tx 06:15, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * That and listing them by organization becomes inaccurate. Yuu Nikaidou, Yukari Sanjo, and Utau Hoshina eventually leave Easter. It also doesn't help when you re-add the 'shipping' and other original research. (see below) --Farix (Talk) 12:23, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Hinamori/Himamori
In reference to Nikaidou's description, it says that he drops the joke of calling Amu Himamori instead of Hinamori. However, in episode 30, well past his decision to part with Easter, he can be clearly heard saying Himamori during the volleyball game. So, it appears that he will continue to refer to Amu in this manner, as opposed to reverting to the proper Hinamori. 216.9.13.215 (talk) 22:34, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

In all honesty, he does "drop" it. After the Nikaidou arc, he transformed into a more minor character, therefore, he appeared even less and never called Amu by name. :/ That's the manga, anyway. 72.253.254.43 (talk) 09:13, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup
I stumbled across this article after following an IP's vandalism history. Now that I look at it, it really needs to be overhauled, there are redundant things everywhere, and frankly, I know nothing about this anime, so I cannot help. Someone really needs to clean this page up. Myominane (talk) 06:22, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


 * What things do you consider to be redundant? Each of the character summaries is written in a way that tries to avoid having to read the summaries of the other characters, so some things will be repeated out of necessity. --Farix (Talk) 11:48, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


 * At first, names were being repeated everywhere. The article seemed to be a bit in shambles, with noticeable mistakes. The mistakes have been fixed. The repetition of names seems less noticeable now. Thanks for reverting back to a good version. Myominane (talk) 02:04, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Massive revert
I've did a massive revert of the entire list to this version. For starters, it is my personal belief that character lists should not contain descriptions of attacks or powers. It should also not contain descriptions of what characters or transformations look like. That type of detail is nothing more than WP:FANCRUFT Second, many names where changed from those used by Del Rey Manga, who is publishing Shugo Chara! in the English language, to those used by fansubs and scanlations. As was discussed at Talk:Shugo Chara!, we should stick with the Del Rey Manga rominization and translation of names and terms. I also don't think it is appropriate to arbitrarily change the organization and structure of the article without discussion, since it was already discussed above. --Farix (Talk) 11:04, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Space adds
Whoever added things into the page of the list of Shugo Chara! characters has not been seeing certain flaws that they could have corrected. Certain sentences miss a space after they are finished. Therefore I have given space between the sentences.

If there are any more sentences missing space, please correct them immediately.

Lulu's Name
Is it Really correct spelling Lulu Domorselle (ルル・ド・モルセール)?

I think Lulu de Morcerf is correct because Japanese spelling spilit between DO and MORUSERU. Morcerf may come from Le Comte de Monte-Cristo -- Yakuchang ....(talk) 01:50, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't be opposed to changing it. This name isn't likely to get a licensed interpretation any time soon.  —tan³ tx 04:25, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Anyway, there isn't "Domorselle" as French family name. If there is no people to opposite it, I would change de Morcerf in a few days. -- Yakuchang ....(talk) 08:52, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Gah
I'm not exactly sure how to correctly rewrite it, but could someone please fix Yaya and Kukai's sections? They're mostly about them being madly in love with eachother and random shippy moments. "They are good friends" will suffice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.102.60.212 (talk) 23:46, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


 * There has been a lot of original research that has crept into the article since the last time I gave it a once over, the Yaya-Kukai relationship being one of them. Character descriptions should only be descriptive of the character's role in the plot. Any form of analyst cannot be included in the article without a reliable source. --Farix (Talk) 00:22, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Character ages
There has been a rash of IP editors adding in ages of some of the characters, particularly Ikuto's age. However, there are several issues with the character ages. First, the series occurs over the span of at least two years and counting. Second, none of the characters' ages are stated at the beginning of the series. All we really have about how old they are is based entirely on their grade/class. The best you can really come up with is an educated guess, which is a form of original research. And third, with the one character we do have an explicit age for, Ikuto, his age was only given at the beginning of volume 7, which takes place almost two years after the series begins. This is clearly not how old he was at the beginning of the series. --Farix (Talk) 00:31, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


 * somewhere in the recent chapters of the manga, at the bed scene, ikuto says that he is 17, so, couldn't that me added to this? as his actual age. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.89.171.189 (talk) 00:36, 6 January 2009 (UTC)


 * No, see my explanation above as to why. --Farix (Talk) 00:54, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Kazuomi Hoshina and Alto Tsukiyomi
Do either of these characters many any appearance other then Ikuto and Utau talking about them? If not, then they should be removed from the list with relevant information merged into Ikuto's and Utau's descriptions. --Farix (Talk) 21:03, 17 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Kazuomi Hoshina has appeared quite a few times, giving orders and such. Alto Tsukiyomi hasn't had an appearance yet, I believe. --Emiko Tajira (talk) 02:25, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Exclusion
Yeah, just go ahead and write and exclude the rest of our ideas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Action Parker (talk • contribs) 21:15, March 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * What exactly are you referring to? You haven't edited this article a single time. In fact, the only edit you've made to any of the Shugo Chara! articles is to add a spamlink to Wikia. --Farix (Talk) 21:56, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Amu and her Shugo Charas Chara-nari to Amulet Fortune
I just want to point how many times it's been mentioned in Amu's section. It was also mentioned under every section of Amu's Guardian Characters. I think that it is unappropriate to mention the same information over and over again. Blueknightex (talk) 07:02, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Soma vs. Souma
I'd just like to suggest that the spelling of Kukai's last name be changed to Souma, seeing as I have seen Souma used more often on the Internet. In addition, 'Souma' is spelled more like the way the name is pronounced in the anime. (An 'ou' versus an 'oh' sound.) I realize these aren't exactly indisputable reasons for the change, but... --Megification (talk) 01:51, 26 March 2010 (UTC)


 * The official selling is Soma and is used by the English language publisher Del Rey Manga. In accordance with WP:MOS-AM, we use the official English spelling of the names and titles. How scanlations an fans spell the name is irrelevant. —Farix (t &#124; c) 01:54, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

"at the of" needs clarification
"at the of" needs clarification, but I don't know what to suggest. R. Henrik Nilsson (talk) 16:02, 11 October 2023 (UTC)