Talk:List of Sonic the Hedgehog (video game series) characters/Archive 1

What's up?
Is everyone on Wikipedia besides me on a merger craze? Yes, I know that it makes the site more efficient to combine articles-especially on characters-but do you have to pack every character who doesn't have as much information on them as Sonic, Knuckles, Tails, or Shadow into one article? You even want to shrink down the groups! User:Denjo
 * Ask Nemu and MIB..they kinda started it..I just went crazy and jumped on the bandwagon XDGrandMasterGalvatron 02:46, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree with Denjo. I mean, Bean and Bark on here, and they got rid of Honey? Yet they are trying to merge everyone on here... People also claiming Honey isn't a cat? What more does a guy have to do to prove it? Do they need to see her tail? I hacked it back on her if they really need to see her tail: http://www.sonic-cult.org/imagebinx/stf/stf-honey-true-model.png . Ah well. I'm very disappointed to see many characters I used to reference on here completely obliterated due to this merge craze. Biggestsonicfan 05:10, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Honey could just as well be a cooger or something. Speculation is bad. She was probably removed since she never REALLY appeared in a game or something, and was just a furry Fighting Vipers character anyway. All the info on Honey can be put in the Sonic the Fighters article. But that's not the topic at hand. I support some of these mergers, but I wouldn't really care if they stayed as articles or not. Gurko 20:37, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Isn't Shahra too major to be in here
She played a incredibly major in Sonic and the Secret rings Delsait 20:17, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * A character's role has no bearing on whether they should appear here (recall that we changed the title from "Minor characters" for just this reason). How much information is there about Shahra? Could you expand her section enough to warrant her getting her own article? Currently, she has only a small paragraph of text, which is not quite enough. If more is added, then certainly there is no objection to her getting her own article at some point in the future. -- Supermorff 09:39, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Metal Knuckles
Hey! Where did his pic go? GrandMasterGalvatron 19:46, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Biolizard
Shouldn't Biolizard be moved here? UnDeRsCoRe 01:37, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I vote No I think Biolizard should be it's own article.

No. Should not be moved.

Nope. Thats a no from me. Biolizards plays a big part in Shadows story.

No- The Biolizard is an important character, and has significant relations to Shadow's past. The entire article on the Biolizard is relevant, and deserves it's own Wikipage.


 * I'll also say no, although I don't think Biolizard is an important character. I think that the current article on Biolizard is too long to be adequately merged here, and it should stay as it is. And since nobody seems to think otherwise, I'm going to remove the merge tag. -- Supermorff 14:31, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

PAL DS
A tiny change, I know, but I just edited Blaze the Cat's section to read 'European version' rather than 'PAL version'. There's no such thing as a PAL handheld game - it's a TV standard and doesn't apply to custom screens such as those on the DS hardware, which are identical in all regions.
 * PAL is also unsuitable as a category of PS2 games, because the 60 Hz mode (available in many European games) uses standard Japanese NTSC. (Stefan2 10:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC))
 * I know this is an old section, but the Eropean PS2 console is listed as being PAL, while you are corrent about the DS.  Doktor  Wilhelm   18:16, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Major characters
Hmmm.... there are alot of MAJOR characters that are here. WHY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
 * Some characters have been moved here because they only had small entries. If there is some information missing, feel free to add it to the relevent section. When there is enough information on a character, they can be put in a separate article. SeventyThree(Talk) 22:04, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

Page move
I propose a move from List of minor characters in Sonic the Hedgehog to Minor characters in Sonic the Hedgehog, since this article is not really a list. Any objections? SeventyThree(Talk) 16:19, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Nope. Go ahead. -- Supermorff 13:55, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

I might even suggest, considering the increasing length of this article, that it be split off into smaller articles, such as Minor characters in Sonic the Hedgehog series and Minor characters in Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie). The split may not be as easy as that, I realise, but it's worth discussing. -- Supermorff 21:05, 23 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I'll go ahead and move the page from List of minor characters in Sonic the Hedgehog to Minor characters in Sonic the Hedgehog now. How about moving the SatAM/Archie section into a separate article, but leaving the rest where they are? That seems the easiest split to make. I think the other sections are a bit small for their own article at the moment. SeventyThree(Talk) 15:40, 29 September 2005 (UTC)


 * That seems like a good next step, yes. -- Supermorff 20:35, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

I have seperated off the section to Minor characters in Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie) as discussed here. -- Supermorff 19:25, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Tails Doll section
It's my honest opinion that this bit needs some serious rewording. Just because someone thought the character was creepy looking and thought it would be funny to write stories about it being a murderer, it DOES NOT make it true. Maybe the site could be given a passing reference, but the section focuses more on the "curse" than on the character. Surely Wikipedia should focus on fact before fiction? As for the bit about Rouge being "known as the sexiest Sonic character"...by who? It's a cartoon bat! And is someone seriously suggesting that Tails Doll is scarier than Dr Robotnik, Metal Sonic, Perfect Chaos, Shadow, Biolizard, Finalhazard, etc, etc, etc? I cannot stress enough how silly the whole paragraph reads. Would someone like to give a shot at rewording the thing? I would do it myself, only I'm not sure if I know enough about the character, since so little is given. --L T Dangerous 14:19, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I've altered it myself. Looking at the page's history, it seems that whoever stumbled upon that Tails Doll site seems to love adding this nonsensical and unimportant information.  A note to that particular user: Wikipedia is meant to be an encyclopaedia.  I very much doubt many of those address the reader and NONE contain trivial information passed off as fact.  I don't want to discourage you from making contributions, but please keep them sensible.  =)  --L T Dangerous 01:40, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

For crying out loud L T! of course hes not a killer! it was just ment for fun. and of course wikipedia is for fact, but people come to wiki because unlike most encyclopedias, it has stuff like that to jazz it up. you just destroyed a link to one of the the best fan created charecter traits. the guy on that site didnt write all of the either. they were sent in by fans, which shows how popular it is just is meant for fun, and it is.--J.A.B. 00:39, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Editd the Tails Doll article to make it more neutral, I felt the phrases used when speaking of his appearance in "Sonic Gems Colection" were a bit biased. Also added a comment on his cult status and the possiblity of his being in the game as a "joke" character --Jenny Tablina 08:56, 26th January 2006 (UTC)

Moved the section in question to a subsection to reduce its relative importance, and reworded it slightly to make its 'assertions' fully qualified. Replaced the multiple reference to the size of his fanbase ("with only a small fanbase" and "a small cult following") with "a small following among Sonic fans". Also noted that "Sega doesn't encourage this characterisation". I suggest that the POV-section tag can now be removed. --DavidHOzAu 02:56, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Edited the wording at the end of main article, changed a bit in the SONIC FANDOM thing. It looks much better now. TikalChaoSpirit 03:14, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

To DavidHOzAu and whoever it was that went and edited this article AGAIN with gibberish that doesnt belong on Wikipedia. Tails Doll isnt even a creepy character to SEGA and stupid claims such as "He is everything" and the sound comment do not fit with this article. It's hardly a joke that is known amoung the Sonic commumity (the forums I go to do not mention this joke) its a well known fan conception that he's creepy but after that theres not much else that fans consider about him universally Jennytablina 14:25, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I put in a small thing about the curse, but only a sentence, and stated that it is not true. I also but in the creators of him, TT (TRavelers Tials) Like so: Tails Doll was not created by SEGA nor Sonic Team but Travelers Tails. It also has a small thing going on the web called "The curse". However, this is NOT true. Oasis Aisha 9:27 PM November 27, 2006 (UTC)

Unless you can cite that, I'm going to have to revert it. Sonic Team was still involved in the game (look at the credits), also Tails Doll appears on the official JPN Sonic R site.GrandMasterGalvatron 17:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Spelling of character name?
I haven't played Sonic Advance 3 yet, so I couldn't be sure, but how is the name of the character spelled: Gemerl, Gemel or G-Mel? There are all three on this page and it clearly refers to the same character. Could someone please save me from spending £30 to find out the name of one character and standardize the name throughout the page? =D --147.197.251.136 10:10, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

The character's name is never mentioned in-game, so I suppose that makes all three correct. billybobfred 21:05, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

I just found this out a couple days ago, but the correct name for the robot is indeed G-mel. I believe the Japanese manual states this. It makes sense, because the Japanese name for Emerl is E-mel.


 * Why does it need to be standaredized if you know it refers to the same charecter? --J.A.B. 00:39, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Cosmo
Does anyone else think it worthwhile commenting on how Cosmo bears a resemblance to Ralts/Kirlia/Gardevoir from Pokémon? First time I saw the character I couldn't help but notice it myself. We probably can't prove Cosmo was based on the Pokémon, but in my opinion, the similarity is striking, especially the green hair and pink flowers. I'll not add it because I feel a more general consensus needs to be made on the matter first. Thoughts? --L T Dangerous 15:13, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

I shouldn't bother, really, though had those Pokemon more resembled plants I might have said different. The chances of one being based on the other are slim at best. If you do mention it, just make a passing comment and don't make a big point of it. -- Supermorff 14:31, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Tikal the Echidna
Would anybody mind if I made a Tikal the Echidna article? We could just erase this one and I would make a main one. I could have a history section, personality section, character design section, external link section, etc. If you want, I could create a sample in the sandbox (it might take a couple of days, though). Just let me know any objections! --anon

Nah, why don't you actually make an article for the echnidas it's better to call the aricle one of them, because you can relate Knuckles, Tikal, and other tikal related to this article.
 * Echidna's
 * The Echidna's
 * Echidnas
 * The Echidnas
 * The article can have, Race/History (has you said)like how the Angel Island began, about the Echidnas

Personality (has you said) will be about what the Echidnas do, like guard the Master Emeralds
 * Characters (will include, Tikal, Knuckles, Tikal's father)
 * Trivia may be included
 * External Links
 * think of some:P

happy editing:D &gt;x&lt;ino 14:01, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

There used to be a Tikal the Echidna article (in fact, several, as I recall) and it got merged here. There just wasn't enough information. Maybe now there is, I don't know, but I don't think you especially gain anything by moving it out. Also, I disagree with the suggestion to make an article about the echidnas in the series. Knuckles himself has a long enough article as it is, and adding information about Tikal or Pachamac to that article is pointless. Plus there's various echidna characters from the Archie series to consider, and I'm personally of the opinion that the different continuities should be kept as seperate as possible to prevent confusion. If you *do* decide to seperate anything about, just make it the Tikal the Echidna section and be done with it. -- Supermorff 14:49, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, there isn't enough information about Pachacamac and like Supermorff said, there's already a Knuckles section. There's also a Julie-Su section and a Dark Legion and Lien-Da seciton. So there wouldn't be much to put in an echidna article. But I do have a lot of information that I could put in the Tikal article! Do you want me to put an example in the sandbox? Also, you don't have to erase the Tikal section here. Just make it shorter and put a redirect to the main article. --anon

By all means, go for it. I suggest you try to avoid lists (e.g. Family members) and instead stick to mostly prose, but that's just personal preference. -- Supermorff 13:00, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Okay! Thank you! And I'll try to make it have lots of information! But could you help me with the picture move? --anon

you mean moving it to the side...do this
 * Image:Example.jpg]] after the type of file, which is "jpg" put this at the side "|", just follow this code=  | thumb|128pxl| nameo f the image]]
 * [[Image:Example.jpg|thumb|128pxl|name of the image]]

&gt;x&lt;ino 00:21, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, actually, when I write the main article, I would need help moving the picture from here to the main article. And since I don't have a username, I wouldn't be able to do anything with the pictures. --anon

Yes it's alright, we will do that! &gt;x&lt;ino 03:09, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Pachacamac
Does anybody mind if I put in a Pachacamac section? He is a minor character! --anon


 * What is Pachacamac? put some info in here first, and also a pic:P.

I don't know how that fool looks like &gt;x&lt;ino 09:06, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, (spoiler for Sonic Adventure, by the way) Pachacamac (or Chief Pachacamac) is Tikal's father. He inherited his chief rank from his wife and he is very warmonging and greedy. Along with a group of echidna warriors, he tried to take the Chaos Emeralds to have more power, but Chaos killed him.

In the Archie comic book, he lived near the Mysterious Cat City (or Country) and had a disagreement with the Cat people. They started a battle, but when he started to lose, he tried to take the Chaos Emeralds. Again, Chaos kills them!

After his death in Sonic Adventure, he has never returned to the game and probably won't. I don't know much about Sonic X, but it's pretty much the same thing as the game. I think his voice was Big's voice, but I'm not sure. If I looked around on the internet, I would find out, though. And as for a picture, I'm anonymous so I can't upload one.

If you don't believe me in most of these things, look at my article! It tells a little about him. --anon

Pachamac acts exactly like he did in Sonic Adventure in Sonic X, he only appeared alittle anyway, the wasn't much room for change. ~ Ultimate Perfect Chaos 01:32, 2 February 2006 (UTC) ~ Pachahacamac should be merged with i don,t know Tikal?

Yeah, Pachacamac and Tikal should be in the same article, separate from the Other Characters.

Babylon Rogues
The three character sections for the Babylon Rogues (Jet the Hawk, Wave the Swallow and Storm the Albatross) are more or less duplicated in the Babylon Rogues article. I suggest we merge the info into that article and keep this one more or less clear. -- Supermorff 15:08, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree atless until they make another major apperenceSonicrules2 02:17, 31 March 2007 (UTC)Sonicrules2

Well, I have to say it... the Babylçons only made one major appearence until now. Even Big had more appearences in the Sonic games, than them. I agree with Sonicrules2, we should put them here, but only temporarily, until they make another major appearence. Johnny Arrombador 01 11:30, 20 April 2007

Shortfuse
Any STC fans about? Can someone clear something up for me? The article states that Shortfuse did not join the Freedom Fighters. I haven't got my comics with me, but I'm pretty sure this is inaccurate. If I remember rightly, while Sonic was stuck in the Special Zone in the lead up to issue 100, Shortfuse joined the group and was portrayed as a sort of "loose cannon" due to his temper. If I've got it right, he actually left when he became sick of the others getting annoyed with his short temper. Can anyone confirm this? If I don't get a reply in a couple of days, it's alright, I'll have access to my comics by that point. --L T Dangerous 12:09, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, that is true. It joined them for a short time and eventurly lost control when their methods for reaching a goal differed so much. I think his final argument was with Amy (might have been Johnny though). Dark-Chaos (talk) 00:55, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Omochao
To me this section seems to be a little opinion based from the second paragraph down the penultimate one. Maybe this section should be cleaned up a bit, because to me it just doesn't look encyclopedic nor professional. YesManJr 16:27, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

I fixed it up, and I got rid of the sentence, "SEGA is more than aware of Omochao's unpopuarity..." because it may not be true. What does having an omochao gun have to do with his unpopularity? --anon

Well, you never know, if it was a simple little thing like something only on gamefaqs or a forum (just on one page, not any other), than Sega would probably not even care, even if they looked and many, many users didnt like Omochao they wouldn't care. But if it was a universel hate, than it might not go unnoticed, but still probably would. On the plus side, it's fun shooting omochao heads and killing Black Arms aliens with them instantly. ~ Ultimate Perfect Chaos 01:33, 2 February 2006 (UTC) ~

The Shadow Gun is way better. With one shot, the aliens die. There's also another gun that kills with on shot, but I'm not sure what the name is. It just has a huge explosion. --anon

Your right, the Shadow Gun can really beat the crap out of anything, but the Omochao Gun seems abit more fun from the point that you kill enemys (or fataly wound them) by shooting omochao heads at them... if only there was more ammo for these useful, and overly cool weapons, then they'd be more popular.

Not really, cause then you have to keep shooting and shooting. But you know what's really fun? It's when you get the Hero/Dark blast and you have unlimited ammo. Then I can shoot my Shadow Gun and destroy many things with just one blast. It's really fun! --anon

I cleaned up the Omochao section. It had a lot of spelling mistakes and repeated information, and also since Omochao is a robot form of a species that is pretty much gender neutral (Chao are neither male nor female), it should be called 'it'. In my personal opinion, ALL robots that are not given a specific gender in canon should be called 'it'. 86.17.160.45 21:50, 14 September 2006 (UTC)Harley

Eggman Nega
I've noticed that Eggman Nega has not been added to the list of minor characters. Is this because there is little information about him? HeliXx 19:04, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

He could just be added to eggmans section, as his picture is there aswell. ~ Ultimate Perfect Chaos 01:33, 2 February 2006 (UTC) ~

Maybe someday soon he'll have enough info for his own article. Maybe now, even. 86.17.124.125 18:53, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Tekno the Canary
I'm one of the many STC fans here (I refuse to call Metallix 'Metal Sonic'), and I recall Amy Rose going on a time-travel spree with a green canary named Tekno; obviously, a computer expert and hacker. I'll have to dig through my archive to find some information - in the mean time, if any other STC fans have any info, add it to the article please! AKismet 00:14, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree, we need a Tekno section, she was a major character in Fleetway - hey, if Rotor gets a section, shouldn't Tekno? - anon

Hell, Rotor gets his own article, but then he is a character in a television show as well, and the Archie comic has had a significantly longer run. Nevertheless, I agree that Tekno should have a section. I'd do it myself if I could remember the first thing about her. -- Supermorff 18:45, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Big the Cat
Would it be worth mentioning that Big made an apperance it Sonic Adventure 2 as a playable Mech Battle character. I'm one of the people who would defend Big to the death about him not being "stupid", or "retarded". Him using a complicated machine such as a copy of Eggmon's mech disproves all of the crap said about him (not to mention he's used the tornado 2 which is already said in the article). Plus, all the other characters have had there SA2 apperances said, why not big? ~ Ultimate Perfect Chaos 02:23, 3 February 2006 (UTC) ~

Mistake on Metal Knuckles and Metal Sonic
It says in their Sonic R info that this is Metal Sonic's first appearance and Metal Knuckls' only apperance when this just isn't true as Metal Sonic debuted in Sonic CD which came before Sonic R, infact the Sega CD was released long before the Sega Saturn was even planned. As for Metal Knuckles, he reappears in Sonic Advance as a boss. -Hol Tiger

Thats not neccesarily correct, the "Metal Knuckles" in Sonic Advance looks alot different than the original, and I thought his name was Mecha Knuckles. ~ Ultimate Perfect Chaos 01:01, 15 March 2006 (UTC) ~

Well if Mecha Knuckles is new, shouldn't we put him in the list then? Evilgidgit 17:35, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Nobody really knows who (or what) that Knuckles is. SEGA hasn't confirmed anything, and it's unlikely that they will. RememberMe? 17:34, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Honey
I am not really sure if Honey should be listed. If so, I think she should just be listed as "Honey" and not "Honey the Cat" since she was never reffered to in the game as a cat (just Honey.) 68.190.167.252 22:09, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Tiara Boobowski
I thought that since she was one of the main characters of the unreleased Sonic X-Treme that maybe she should have her own article. I would move what there is now and add on to it.--Garett 00:27, 4 April 2006 (UTC)I am going to work on that article and when finished delete the one under Minor Characters. --Garett 00:08, 5 April 2006 (UTC) I finished the page check it out here Tiara Boobowski I am still going to add more onto it over time. You guys can decide what to do with it. --Garett 21:51, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * It was prod'd, and I replaced it with a mergeinto template to here. She is technically a minor character, since she was axed when Xtreme was canceled.-- a c1983fan-Talk 17:35, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Let me try to fix it up! --71.105.10.23 16:48, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not that it needs fixing, it's that she's a extremly minor character.-- A c1983fan  ( talk  •  contribs ) 20:06, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Cosmo article
Cosmo is one of the main characters in Sonic X in season three, so she should have an article. Could someone create one? Once it's made, I'll expand the information already there. --71.105.7.87 07:00, 15 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Generally, it's better to go about things the other way round, i.e. add information to the characters' sections on this page. Once this page gets too large, we can move it into another article, and just leave a note on this page pointing to the new article. Kinda like the article United Kingdom got too big, so the History section was split off onto History of the United Kingdom. Until that section becomes large enough, I've created a redirect from Cosmo (Sonic X) so that people can still find the information. SeventyThree(Talk) 21:18, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Cosmo and Hertia should actually be moved into Alien Species in Sonic the Hedgehog cause Cosmo isn't a minor character. Hertia is, though, but she's an alien. --71.104.180.139 19:16, 17 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not convinced about that yet. Alien Species in Sonic the Hedgehog seems to be about the species rather than the characters. In some cases these will overlap quite alot, i.e. where there is a distinct alien species with only a few characters mentioned, but they are slightly different topics. If you can add to Alien Species in Sonic the Hedgehog with information about the relevent species, go ahead! Remember, Be Bold. And I really would encourage you to add to the information about Cosmo. If you need any help, feel free to ask either here, at my talk page, or at the Help desk. SeventyThree(Talk) 05:52, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay, thanks! I'll go add it to the Alien Species in Sonic the Hedgehog then! --71.105.7.27 05:55, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Can it be an article now? It's a big enough section! --71.118.83.254 07:02, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Silver the Hedgehog?
Silver has his own article, plus his part in the Minor Characters list gives a lot less information as his own article does. --Alexie 20:19, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

False copyvio
That isn't a copyvio!-- A c1983fan  ( talk  •  contribs ) 13:34, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Why has this ENTIRE article been considered a copyvio? If somone had just cut and pasted infomation from Sonic HQ I think it could of just been mentioned here so we could change it. It certianly isnt cause for copyvio Jennytablina 15:18, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Queen Aleena
Why is Queen Aleena listed as a minor character? Isn't she a major part of the plot? Come to think of it, the plot sort of revolves around her...without her, there is not plot. Grandmastergalvatron 22:31, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Ray is gone
Why has User:Said 13 deleted all the info for Ray the Flying Squirrel? He was in a game (however obcure) so I consider him a character. --Libertyernie2 21:50, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I have found out he has moved it to the Chaotix page. I think info about Ray from the games should go here, as he was never even associated with the Chaotix in the games. I've moved it back now. I don't want to start an edit war, though, so I'd like Said 13's feedback. --Libertyernie2 16:26, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Major characters in Sonic the Hedgehog
Sorry, Libertyernie2 for deleting it. Anyway, I do agree with Grandmastergalvatron about the fact that Queen Aleena is a main character in Sonic Underground. In fact, I wanna make a new article called "Major characters in Sonic the Hedgehog." If anyone's against it, please let me know.--Said 13 13:02, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm against it. Sorry, but I am. I might be less against it if you planned on using a different name. How does your proposal improve on the way things stand? -- Supermorff 15:07, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * In case not everyone is paying attention, User:88.106.32.50 has altered the proposal above from making an article called "Major characters without articles" to "Major characters in Sonic the Hedgehog". The main problem I see with this is as follows: most of the major characters in Sonic the Hedgehog already have their own articles. Others (specifically Queen Aleena, mentioned above) are not in fact Major characters in Sonic the Hedgehog. Aleena is a Major character only in Sonic Underground. If someone thinks that a character doesn't belong here, then they should expand that section and seperate it off into a new article. -- Supermorff 17:51, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

True, Supermorff, but shall I start with Queen Aleena? Are YOU against it?--Said 13
 * Am I against putting Aleena in her own article? No. By all means, go ahead. -- Supermorff 20:43, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * she already had her own article Grandmastergalvatron 21:30, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Tails Doll
The article mentions a "jewel" on Tails Doll's head, several times. The red thing that this article calls a jewel is just the head of the pin that's in the doll's head. It's not mystical or anything. Anyone want to make edits that reflect this? -Power Slave 22:00, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I have given up, but you are welcome to try; I find it is hard to fix that because the same few people want to push the fan view instead of what actually happened and appeared in Sonic R. To be honest, if Tails Doll had his own article instead of a redirect, it would be deleted in its current state: way too much unverifiable information. --DavidHOzAu 02:24, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

New split
Once again this article is getting too long to manage as is, and after the success of the last split (to move out Archie characters - discussed above), I am now suggesting another one. The longest section is for characters in the games, but it doesn't make sense to move that one out. Probably the best bet would be to break off the section for characters only in Sonic the Comic. Anyone object? Or argee? Agreements are always nicer, but I suppose I should ask for both. -- Supermorff 21:46, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That makes sense to me. --Libertyernie2 22:46, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Very well, I'll make that split now. -- Supermorff 11:28, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Ray
that pic official? --FlareNUKE 10:13, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I removed the Ray part. Not because he's not a minor character. He's referenced much more comprehensively in the Chaotix article. Harley Quinn hyenaholic 22:21, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The Chaotix entry contains different information than this one, and vice versa. I put it back in. --Libertyernie2 17:04, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Minor?
Since when is Mephiles considered a minor character? If he becomes one of the bosses Shadow as to fight and he has something to do with the development of the story, he is no minor character. He should have an aarticle has soon as the game is released, until then he just deserves a mencion in the article about the game.Czin 18:14, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * He may not be a minor character in the recent game called "Sonic the Hedgehog", but he IS a minor character in the "Sonic the Hedgehog" series of games and derivative universes. -- Supermorff 21:16, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * So what he needs to be a part of the main cast is to appear in more than one game and be part of the story almost all the time? Like Cream or Omega?...Czin 00:16, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


 * In general, yes, Cream is a good example of a member of the "main cast", appearing in multiple games and a recent TV series. Although, like Omega, who admittedly is not a member of the "main cast", characters do seem to get their own articles if there is enough information to warrant it. As yet, Mephiles doesn't really qualify under either option. If and when more information is revealed (and depending on his popularity, I would think), then he may well get his own article whether or not he is a minor character or not. -- Supermorff 00:25, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, I guess that is reasonable. Although I think he shouldn't be included with "minor" characters and remain only mentioned in the game's article for now.Czin 05:09, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


 * You're welcome to make that change, if you want to. Considering that everything about him on this page is supposition, I'm not going to argue if you do. However, sooner or later he will either be moved back here or into a new article. It's pretty much inevitable. -- Supermorff 10:52, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

UPDATE: Somebody has already created the "Mephiles" article (and it has less info than is already here, and a picture). Now we need to decide whether to merge that info here, or merge this info there. Preferences? -- Supermorff 13:10, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * As stated, the "Mephiles" article shouldn't be created yet if ever. For now Mephiles should be mentioned only in his game's article (game debut) and as agreed, here as a minor character. Post release info might or might not change that.Czin 23:27, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I hope no one minds, but I decided to blank the Mephiles article and re direct it to this article. It barley contained any info. UnDeRsCoRe 23:31, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

minor for the moment. someone remove him from Neutral/Anti-Heroes.

There's loads of new info from stragey guides and decompiles that show that Mephiles is a major character. In fact, the very last stage has all the characters finding the chaos emeralds to revive Sonic as Mephiles has killed him. Mephiles has also been shown to be the dark half of Shadow, and a apart of the true final boss. He will merge with the Iblis and then with Solaris. Be prepared to add this data into an article in the VERY NEAR future. GrandMasterGalvatron 17:07, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I know about this as well but you should have still marked your post with a spoiler alery. That is a big spoiler. And I am currently also trying to get some of the info on the main page for Sonic 06, but since "Sonic Cult" is considered to be a fansite, as this is where the source of the Last Story Spoilers from a forum on Gamespy, it will not be added until it is verified by a secondary, more reliable source. Knuckles sonic8 22:58, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Removed AoSTH character and debate of an existing one
Ages ago I have put (pre-registered) an article on the character Professor Von Schlemmer who is an important minor character (has appeared in 5 episodes, his first was Too Tall Tails (production order) or Boogey-Mania (aired order)) removed due to reasonable reasons (probably had no proof) however I do see a few characters who have only appeared once such as the Prince of Rhombus who is very obscure which only a fan knows about him.

Lucas and Lucinda are important since it does talk about Robotnik's past but the Prince and his pal are most likely not remembered by a casual user. If the Prince is there then you might has well added Captain Rescue or the singer from Sonic's Song. Where does the line go between minor or one shot characters? Yawachary 21:32, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Ray or No Ray
I was wondering if Ray the Flying Squirrel should be here or on the Chaotix page, and I would like people's feedback on this. --Libertyernie2 00:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Since Ray is only a member of Chaotix in a single continuity outside the games, I think most information regarding him should be here. The Chaotix page can have a short paragraph with a link to this article, focusing on his Chaotix appearances (as has been done with characters like Knuckles and Rouge). -- Supermorff 12:51, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Is Mephiles a Shadow Android?
he look like him, and most shadow androids are shadows enemies.

NO!!!! Mephiles is a creature of the mind, and the will of Solaris. He looks like Shadow as a result of being catapaulted back in time and winding up in the capsule with him. --Luigifan 12:00, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not (at the moment) doubting your infomation on Mephiles, but did you get that info from Sonic Cult? BlackEDGE MkII 22:24, 2 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Luigifan is correct. Mephiles is the reason why Shadow was willing to cause such destruction in SA2/B and apparently was making Shadow misinterpret Maria's wish.

Yes, it's from SonicCult, but they've proven themselves EXTREMELY reliable. Plus, alot of things they've spoken of have later been spoken by SEGA/Sonic Team. Mephiles is, simply put, a Pure Evil creature that wishes to destroy the past, preasant, and future aka EVERYTHING. -Chao9999 23:05, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Mephiles is supposed to show up in an upcoming sonic game, but this may be incorrect.

Sign your comments! Anyway, the games more than a week old, you didn't need to make this post anymore :P He's in the next game, and SonicCulT was correct...again.-Chao9999 03:14, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Sonic X
I've split off another section to its own articles. The Sonic X section made most sense to me, not because it was the longest this time, but because it was the most complete. There's a good, mostly comprehensive list there of Sonic X-exclusive characters, and I think it'll stand up well on its own. -- Supermorff 21:08, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Sonic Underground
Once again, a section had been split off. This time, Sonic Underground to List of characters in Sonic Underground. There were few Underground characters on this page anyway, but several others elsewhere and I felt it was worth keeping them together. -- Supermorff 09:38, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Elise and Vanilla merge
I suggest that the Princess Elise and Vanilla the Rabbit be merged into this article. They are minor characters, with Elise only appearing in one game, and while Vanilla has appeared in three, she had a very small role, only being in a few cutscenes and never having an important part in the plot. Any objectsions? Gurko 08:17, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Not from me, but be very careful about how much you are required to trim those articles in order to merge them. If you have to cut out too much it's probably not worth it, no matter how minor their roles in the series. -- Supermorff 13:11, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm also suggesting Gerald Robotnik and Maria Robotnik. While they are important to Shadow's story, they really don't need articles. Nemu 18:16, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Agreed. I will wait a day or so for any objections, and otherwise they'll all be merged. Gurko 09:37, 24 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd also like to put up Emerl (and G-mel), and the Babylon Rogues for discussion. Both only have one major appearance, and really aren't too important past those games. Nemu 20:58, 24 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd disagree with the last one because that's gonna really inflate the article...especially since they've all been featured on Sonic Channel and have more data than the rest of the characters here. They've got their own infoboxes for crying out loudGrandMasterGalvatron 21:05, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, you'll probably consider Fang the Sniper too? Hell, at this rate, I'll be able to re-join the two character templates again XDGrandMasterGalvatron 21:07, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * They look like they can be cut down pretty easily (the infoboxes are rather silly and unneeded). Sonic Channel is the Japanese official site, right? What does being featured on it mean, and how does it raise importance? Nemu 21:11, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * You know what, I'll add Fang myself, as well as GUN. Because if the Black Arms don't merit their own article, then GUN sure as hell doesn't either.  Being featured on Sonic Channel treats a character to having new official art (that gets used here) and well as hard citations for official data.  It also shows that the character is recognized by Sonic Team and may have future appearances.  You know what, you might as well add Tikal and Gamma here as well, in fact, don't bother because I did. GrandMasterGalvatron 21:16, 24 March 2007 (UTC)


 * A lot is being said about how "minor" characters are. I'd like to remind everyone that this article is no longer called "Minor characters in Sonic the Hedgehog". Being minor is neither necessary nor sufficient for inclusion in this article. That said, I don't have any particular problem with merging any of the pages mentioned above (with the exception of Fang the Sniper which I think is too long to be adequately merged). I disagree with removing relevant information from Wikipedia just for the sake of merging a character into a longer list. Be careful not to go overboard on this merging thing. -- Supermorff 21:23, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, the problem is that there's no set definition on which characters fall into an "other" category. The entire issue is massive POV.  Obviously, it was thought that each of the above characters warranted their own article, as well as the super forms.  Might I remind some of you that they were mostly all split from this article for length reasons.  If you think a massive page with all characters other than Sonic is the proper solution then go for it.GrandMasterGalvatron 21:28, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Didn't really expect the thing to grow to this size XD. Anyway, I think we need to put up a proper criteria for inclusion in this article before further discussion. Gurko 21:31, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Added discussion for Vector, Espio, and Charmy to be merged with the Chaotix article.GrandMasterGalvatron 21:35, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Makes sense, they're hardly ever seen without eachother anyway. Their story sections say describe the same events with different wording. Gurko 21:38, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Forgot to mention I added Mighty too, but he can go into the Chaotix article. I'm also seriously considering adding Cream here as well..maybe Big too.GrandMasterGalvatron 21:41, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Cream and Big added....maybe Amy and Chaos?GrandMasterGalvatron 21:45, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Chaos perhaps, Amy is a bit of a stretch. She's appeared regularly as a playable character for more than ten years. Gurko 21:49, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Amy seems to be staple character of the series. We should probably sort out this massive queue before adding many more. Nemu 21:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Why wait? Why not kill as many birds with one stone as possible?  If you've got a ton of articles to merge then don't be a punk and do it.  To that end I'm thinking of nominating Silver and Blaze as well as they both just came out and a really in about the same boat as Mephiles.GrandMasterGalvatron 21:55, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, just make sure the end result isn't too huge. Gurko 21:58, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Personally, I was just trying to do this slowly on the offchance that people brought up any actual reasons to keep them. But whatever, at least this will be over with. For now, I'm going to merge the first four. These new ones should remain for a few days. Nemu 22:02, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The only one I really mind is Cream, since she appears in practically every game, and is mostly playable. Gurko 18:08, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I kinda disagree with the merge of these characters into the minor characters, except maybe Mighty Markcambrone 02:30, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

About the merge
Emerl, the Babylon Rogues, Fang, G.U.N., Tikal, and Mighty I can agree to. However, Big and Cream are very major characters who have been playable in multiple games, play important roles in the storylines, make numerous cameos, and Big even got his own Cell Phone game. They should definitely be in their own articles. RememberMe? 02:38, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I disagree. They should all have their own articles. They're all too major. --Coconutfred73 02:48, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I still say we need some kind of criteria that explains what is needed for a character to deserve an article. And it better not be based off popularity - that's hard to measure and will just end up with a giant "I like it" argument. Gurko 07:45, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I think we agree Cream is notable, but besides his one big role (which really is only a big minigame), Big really hasn't done much. Nemu 10:14, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * No. Cream is NOT notable.  Nothing other than sheer fanboysim will change that.  The ONLY notable characters on a general knowledge scale are Sonic (the hero and the star), Tails (the sidekick), Knuckles (the driving force behind the "lock on" technology of Sonic and Knuckles), Eggman (the villain), Metal Sonic (the evil twin of old), Shadow (the badass cash cow of the moment), and Super Sonic(the deus ex machina of damn near every game).  These are the only characters you will hear anything about in the public eye.  Everyone else is just filler.  Everyone.  That includes Amy, who hasn't had a starring role since...Sonic CD (and even that's a stretch because she was filler in that), and definitelty Cream who is in addtion to being a blatant Super Tails ripoff, is entirely useless to the series in every way, shape, and form.  In fact, the popular opinion of most if not all game critics is that the cast be dropped down to the aforementioned characters (minus Shadow).  If you want to pull the "general knowledge card", those are the only characters deserving of their own article as they're the main characters and have each had their own game (except Metal, but then again, he was the antagonist of Heroes).


 * In essence, that means every article except for the said characters is mostly fancrufty and should be merge to this article.GrandMasterGalvatron 15:41, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I think the point you're at is where we need to discuss as Gurko was saying. For now, I'm just going to go ahead and merge all except Cream. For her and anyone else, we should start a discussion elsewhere to get a wider array of opinions. Nemu 17:14, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

GMG, that's an opinion. For example, go to GameFAQs, run a poll, and then we talk. You are basing all those "minor or not minor" business in just about what you think. Also, Wikipedia has the goal to provide information. What a goal it provides, cutting information to make it fit in an article with 50 other characters only related because of franchise. You may as well put Sonic in the list, he has less of a character that any of the included in the merge list, sans crappy recolor Mighty.

No merge, that's it. It's hard enough to go through other franchises, that have got their articles killed, and made them look unimportant. Geez, what's next, put Yoshi in generic Mari characters? User:Eriorguez


 * Less of a character? This isn't about "character" (in that sense of the word), this is about notability. Sonic himself is pretty damn known in the gaming community (and outside of it too), so he deserves an article. While you can try to stop some of the merges (I don't mind), the Babylon Rogues and Tikal for example have had large appearances in only one game each so far. Gurko 22:11, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Then, why not put Metal Sonic in Minor villians? Let's see: CD, Chaotix, Heroes and Rivals, with appareaces as multiplayer character and skin. Not major at all. Plus, all it does: Takes Amy away, is beaten, absorbs rings and becomes swollen, then beaten, gets a cool design, then becomes a dragon, and is beaten, then it's a mindless drone racing agaist you... Meh, not worth of an article. Eriorguez 22:25, 26 March 2007 (UTC)


 * If you say so. We can do him after finishing the discussion on the current ones. Gurko 08:22, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Why do you two (GMG and Eriorguez) have to make this into an all or nothing thing? So far, we're merging the one game characters, and a cameo guy. While some like Silver and Blaze could use some discussion, the characters that have been around, and have asserted themselves as main characters of the series are fine. Cream hasn't had as much time as the older characters, but she's still had enough supporting roles to have an article (quality of said article is another thing).


 * Once again, this does not have to be all or nothing. This is more to you, GMG. No offense, but your whole "insult people because they annoy you, form an obsession over it, and push it to the extreme just because" personality trait is obsessive and annoying. We can merge some characters, while leaving others. Nemu 10:11, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes it does. I'm seeing your ideals as largely biased and hypocritical.  You wanna talk about notability, but you obviously don't mean real world notability; to which very few characters would have their own articles.  In fact, merging based on anything other than real world notability is nothing short of fanboyism.  I don't see it cited anywhere what characters are the main ones in the series and which are side characters.  The whole thing is a case of personal observation.  If anything, Sonic Channel's example should be followed, in which every character featured on Sonic Channel gets their own article.  However, that's obviously not gonna take place as some characters who do have their own articles are merged into others.  The ideals I've seen from you assert that Cream is more notable than Super Sonic.  That's bull not only in my personal opinion, but on a real world scale based on game appearances alone.  As it stands, Super Sonic's got at least three times as many appearances as Cream and also originates from way back when.  On a real world notability scale, based on the comments by talking with non fans about the series, and reading the reviews and articles of game critics, Cream doesn't merit anything other than a place in this article and neither does Amy, Rouge, Silver, Blaze or half of the characters that have articles.  Again, only Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, and Eggman are the only characters really deserving of solo articles.  They've all established notability in the gaming community, and in the real world in general.  Everyone who knows about games knows about Sonic and Eggman, and anyone who played Sonic back in the day knows about Tails and Knuckles.  A lot of people today have at least heard of Shadow as well, and the fact that he placed second in Sonic Team's popularity poll adds to his notability.  Not to mention that he got his own game which has made him a love or hate case in the eyes of the public.  Super Sonic, while I think has a good amount of real world notability is actually debatable as well as Metal Sonic.  Metal's popular among fans and EGM, and every discussion about Sonic's glory days is bound to mention Super Sonic at some point.


 * This place obviously hasn't been playing the "general knowledge" card it intends to, and since you all of a sudden wanna go for it, I'm gonna force you to hold to it. You seriously need to get your goals in check.  If you want to "inform the public", then do it properly and don't half ass it.  I want to make it known that I'm actually against this mass merge, but I'm holding you to it because I'm a dude about policy.  I think that the article amounts were actually fine as is, and just needed their share of cleanup.  But nooo.  We wanna play the "real world notability" card all of a sudden.  Then play it.  And don't be a punk about it either.GrandMasterGalvatron 17:50, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Real world notability is one of the characteristics a character article needs, but not the only one. If we were to base it only off of that, only Sonic would get an article. They need notability in the games, and notability in the real world.


 * At this point, I haven't even factored in real world notability that much. I'm narrowing it down to who's important in the series. None of these characters are important past one game (and a few cameos). I have no idea where you get the idea that the characters must be notable to a random guy on the street (which maybe one in three hundred would even know Sonic.) I'm not a major mergist who thinks all fiction should be removed from the site. I just believe only main characters of longer running series need articles.


 * Of course Super Sonic is more notable than Cream, he's Sonic (except for one or two comic versions). Super Sonic is a power up, not a character. That's why it only needs to be in Sonic's section. You cannot compare a transformation to an actual character. As long as the character is a long standing, major character that has appeared in various games, and actually done something, they should be fine. Nemu 18:20, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I would say that you could, but only in the case of Super Sonic as he's currently the only transformation to be featured on Sonic Channel. Anywho, I'm still not seeing what Cream has contributed to the games aside from a cheap excuse to make final boss fights.  Cream's only notability in the series is that of being a random plot element and an extra character.  The most weight she had came from Sonic Advance 2 as it was her debut game, and a large portion of the story was about her.  Since then, she's been nothing but filler for either character count or story elements.  Her only other notability would be to Sonic X, where she had a few decent moments of spotlight (the biggest being the killing of Emerl), and even that could be stated in a paragraph.


 * I'm sorry, but I just don't see how a full fledged article on Cream could be composed of anything other that 50% fancruft, 30% plot synopsis, 10% of actual relevant information, and 10% of just plain bullcrap. If you want long standing major characters that have actually contributed, then you're left with Team Sonic, Eggman, Metal Sonic, Shadow, and maybe Amy, and Rouge.  The res are either one time characters and a few recurring characters like Silver and Chaotix who have done slag all, if anything.  I still think Mephiles is deserving of much more than he's being given right now just because he singlehandedly killed the main character, which the villain has failed to do since the series's creation.  At the very least, he needs to be the first character in the article and should have the largest section here.  Yeah, Metal Sonic and Black Doom are evil bastards,a dn Eggman's had his fare share of badassery, but Mpehiles freakin killed Sonic!  He succeeded where everyone else has failed.  If that doesn't establish series notability then I don't know what does!GrandMasterGalvatron 18:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Cream can be discussed. She may not need an article; I'm just giving reasons why your argument is sort of wonky. As I've said (to you?) before, unless he actually killed off Sonic for good, it doesn't make him any more notable. Various game characters have been killed by villains, but brought back to life (either through time travel or magic). It means nothing just to kill him for a second, any other thoughts are just "fanboyism." Nemu 18:45, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It may not have been permanent, but still, he succeeded where everyone else failed. Eggman and Metal haven't come anywhere near that close since the beginning of the series.  In fact, no character has in the 15 years that Sonic has existed.  Surely that must mean something that Sonic  canonically died for the first time in 15 years!  It's like Nancy Zerg (the woman who defeated Ken Jennings).  She  got notability just for beating him...despite the fact that she lost the next day.GrandMasterGalvatron 21:20, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Guys, don't you think Fang/Nack should be in minor villains? In all the continuties I've seen and heard about, he is far from being a good guy. User:Denjo

Emerl, Fang, Tikal, and Mighty are all minor, completely pointless except to those who have creepy love for almost non-existant roles. G.U.N. is very important, being prominant in SA2 and ShaTH, minor in STH06, and possibly in Sonic Rush, they seem pretty major. -71.213.212.127 17:30, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup.
OK, if the merge is going to be done, please, follow those points:

-Keep most of the information, no things like Shahra, whose part looks like a disgrace to this site. -Pictures for all characters. If a character has various designs nd pictures, use the most recent as the profile pic, and the rest as links in their section. -If physical or other data of the character is known, point it out.

I guess it's all. I guess it's not hard to follow, so, do so, it'll look better. Thanks Eriorguez 22:36, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Why is Big the Cat here?
He is to major to be in this article. I think we should put him back in his own article. --Coconutfred73 01:52, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you Coconutfred73, I actually think every character with a Sonic Channel profile should have their own profile. I also think they should have their Sonic Channel artwork on thier profiles, I mean it was like that a while ago. Markcambrone 02:27, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Big has only showed up as a playable character in two games, and has played no major roles in Sonic X or the comics. If there is any Sonic character with their own article who needs to be stuffed in here, it's him. User:Denjo

Wrong. He appeared in 6 games. Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Heroes, Sonic Rivals, and Sonic and the Secret Rings/ and sonic shuffle . --Coconutfred73 22:31, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

eight. He had a cell phone game and in sonic chorinles. RememberMe? 17:03, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I think that Big should be in the list of major characters, because unlike Bean the Dynamite and Bark the Polar Bear, who appeared only once in a Sonic Game, Big made several appearences, being Sonic and the Secret Rings his latest appearence. Plus, he appears sometimes in the Sonic comics. Besides, Sega put him in this game, because probably they're going to use him again in a game. I think that he should have his own article. --Johnny Arrombador 01 17:30, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

What's more, he made a fair few appearances in Sonic X. To me, 7 games and a part in the TV series suggest SEGA perceive him as a major character, so why shouldn't we? --Danish Ranger 08:42, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

This isn't about popularity (Hitler has an article, rememeber?) this is about verifiable data - of which Big has plenty. He's classed as a Hero. If he has his own article we can also move that Froggy part into his as well. 86.17.124.125 19:00, 3 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It's out of universe information that matters. Big has nothing past in-game information. TTN 19:02, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually he shows up in Sonic the Comic (UK) and the online version, PLUS Sonic X. And why shouldn't he get his own article just because he's only got lots of in-game info? He's been playable three times in major games. He has cameos in numerous Sonic games. Froggy can be merged into his article. I think the fact is that some people don't like him, so they think he shouldn't have an article. If Blaze, major in one game, supporting in another, no cameos, has an article for herself, why not Big? Harley Quinn hyenaholic 00:15, 12 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Blaze has been in half the number of games Big has merge Big with Froggy he'd have a big articleBaconBoy914 (talk) 14:17, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I think that after Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood comes out we should make the Big the Cat article. Three major game roles in the story plus all those cameos should be plenty to make an article.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 15:25, 1 February 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

Tikal Merge and Elise's section
Someone suggesting merging the Tikal article into this one, but I disagree. Tikal's article is long enough and has been hard-worked on for a long time. Moreover, she is in Sonic Channel, and she has a key role in Sonic Adventure/DX. She also has the key role in one of seasons of Sonic X. As for Elise, isn't she one of the main characters (or at least partly a key character) in Sonic Next-Gen? She's even in the booklet for the Sonic Next-gen as one of the important (or was it main?) characters. So I think Elise should go back to having her own article, since she's has a key role in the Next-gen game. It just needs to be more expanded. --72.87.195.127 04:53, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, but the problem is that they have major roles in only those games, and doesn't have much to do with the rest of the series. Gurko 10:52, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Maybe, but I agree with not merging Tikal and Elise should just be more expanded Markcambrone 14:06, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


 * So can we get rid of the suggestion to merge Tikal's article, and can someone make Elise's article again? Or are there any more objections? --71.105.14.38 19:51, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


 * You need better arguments than WP:ILIKEIT, "they're important" (because nothing asserts that they are) and "they have info", which goes against WP:NOT. Nemu 00:08, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, for one thing, Tikal's article has plenty of references,and it's too long to be shortened to a single section here. So what reason is there to merge Tikal's article with this one?  And as for Elise, how about we won't create an article for her until her section gets too long to be contained in this single section? --71.105.14.38 09:23, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Most of Tikal's references were fans sites. Only a few (possibly none) were actually attributable sources. Any character that has only appeared in one game with an actual role doesn't need an article. They'll need to do something besides cameo to require a page. Nemu 10:10, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Big. 2 games, main roles in both. Eriorguez 15:04, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Main role as in a prominant part of the story, not just a minigame style role with no real story, and a small part of a single team. Nemu 16:54, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

We've got GUN and the Rogues left... The problem here is that they're groups, and contains members. Adding them onto this in a successful manner might be hard. Gurko 11:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, shouldn't Tikal's section at least mention her in the Sonic X series and the comic books? --72.67.150.180 23:21, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * By the way, I don't mean to harp about this, but I, and many other users, worked hard on Tikal's article. For instance, I spent a whole month revising Tikal's article, looking through the Internet for references, searching for the right pictures to upload, and now, it seems as if all my, and other users', hard work has gone to waste on one single, tiny section.  So why couldn't we make Tikal's article, but put her in here anyway?  For instance, it could be a short section about her, and then above it would be 'Main Article: Tikal the Echidna'. It would look like this. --72.67.150.180 20:56, 1 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I think Tikal should be unmerged. She is a former Featured article canditate, has references and sources, has a tonne of info and is a major character. This article was to around the standards of Princess Peach and if she is being kept as a major character, so should Tikal. Also, here we have a consensus against the merge, so I will go about unmerging her if no one can come with a valid reason for her merge. Henchman 2000 08:13, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The information is a bunch of OR and speculation. The sources are mostly from fan sites, which aren't reliable sources. There is no "consensus" to unmerge. Please stop abusing that already. A bunch of anons saying "I want my favorite character back" is not building anything. Their opinions do not count towards anything in this case. If they did, this site would have articles on everything because enough anons could always use WP:ILIKEIT. TTN 16:53, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Calm down, please. --Libertyernie2 18:56, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't see how anybody is riled. You should save that for "yelling" and stuff. TTN 18:58, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I think these characters should be part of this page because they are specific to one game. Libertyernie2 22:34, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Pictures
Who took out all the pictures? Put them back, every character needs a picture. Also, for the love of Primus, expand Shara's section or delete it. The way it looks it pathetic >_>GrandMasterGalvatron 21:25, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Sure thing. --Coconutfred73 05:13, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Done. --Coconutfred73 05:40, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

major and minor characters
There are two things bugging me about the minor character lists:

1 It seems strange that Chaos still has his own page while a character like Big is listed in the minor characters. Chaos has only made 2 cameos since his only important role while Big has had two important roles and 2 cameos. As a lesser character with seemingly no important future role, Chaos should be merged into the minor characters. The best way to judge major characters from minor ones is thier importance to the series overall and someone being introduced to the Sonic series for the first time don't need to know about Chaos to understand the games Sonic the Hedgehog 06, Shadow the Hedgehog, or Sonic Rivals. (anticipating this arguement: yes one should know about Chaos going into Sonic Heroes but that is what the Minor Characters is for - to include lesser characters who would otherwise not be listed)

2 This list and the villians version is going to get insanely long and ugly (actually it can be argued both of them already are) perhaps it can be split alphabetically (something like: "Minor Characters A-M" and "Minor Characters N-Z" or "Minor Characters A-I," "MCs J-R," and "MCs S-Z" or some other way if the characters' names tend to be mostly made up of letters from one side over the other). The added benefit would be that it allows for the characters to have their sections better organized too.

Lists are just ugly and long ones are overwhelming Cigraphix 03:29, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Can we get a better pic of Gerald?
The current one looks too much like his SA2 look, plus it's from Sonic X. -Chao9999 on his mom's computer 71.213.212.127 17:23, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, the best would be a Shadow picture or screenshot, but I haven't seen one anywhere. 217.198.150.144 10:34, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

So? --Coconutfred73 19:36, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

So what, I mean it, we need a new one, this one shows him in his old look, while he was clearly very fat in his most recent depiction. Someone's gotta have a screenshot somewhere. -Chao9999 08:13, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

This is his current look. He has no new look. This picture is fine. --Coconutfred73 19:33, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


 * He IS pretty fat in that picture. It was just in SA2 he was skinnier and had a skiinier moustache. Gurko 07:08, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Vanilla Removed
Everything on Vanilla was already in Cream's article under Family and Friends. She's not a major character but she certainly doesn't need to be in two places at once. So I removed her and transferred that image of her to the Cream article. Harley Quinn hyenaholic 10:25, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Babylon Guardin
Shouldn't the Babylon Guardian be placed in the article "Minor villains in Sonic the Hedgehog (games)"?


 * I was thinking the same thing. I'll move it right now.

Good job —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.42.165 (talk) 23:05, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Marine?
When shall we say enough data is present to add Marine to the page?GrandMasterGalvatron 06:18, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I almost added "Marine the Raccoon" but there is a dispute on the Sonic Rush Adventure talk page about her name so I reverted it. Apparently some think her name translates to Marin or Marlin or something. I don't think there is a problem adding her now and changing her name later if it turns out to be incorrect, but I don't want to ignite an edit war with anyone who disagrees. Cigraphix 07:00, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Where have all the pictures gone?
Hello again! May I ask who is DELETING ALL THE PICTURES!!! And Why? Also does anyone mind me putting a picture of Lumina Flowlight? Wolly da wanderer 06:24, 5 August 2007 (UTC)Wolly da wanderer 5/8/07
 * I think the pictures are being deleted because they don't have any info on where they come from. Libertyernie2 16:36, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually its because they lack Fair Use rationale. I tried putting it into some of the pictues, but they got deleted anyway so I must have done it wrong. If anyone can re-add the pics with Fair Use rationale please do so. One last thing, I've noticed many pics in the more important articles (like Sonic the Hedgehog's) are also missing Fair Use rationale. So unless we want these articles to have most if not all of their pictures deleted, we better put this stuff in. Cigraphix 16:59, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Marine Picture not Official
Just a heads up, the picture currently being used for Marine the Raccoon is NOT official artwork, it is a picture created by the artist Purity.--Highsight 18:21, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I thought it looked a little shoddy... --Luigifan 21:25, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

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G-Merl or G-mel?
Which is right?  Doktor  Wilhelm   04:36, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I really don't know. The katakana for his name, "ジーメル", is "Jiimeru". Meanwhile, "エメル" is "Emeru" (Emerl). By comparative logic, his name SHOULD be Gmerl, but the filename for his image on the Japanese site is gmel.gif" . -- RattleMan 04:54, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

The character's name is G-mel. Moronic titles such as "Gemerl", "Gemel", and "Gmerl" are fan made names and are WRONG. The character's name is officially G-mel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bendilin (talk • contribs) 05:01, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Some how I think you might be wrong? G-mel doesn't make sence when it's the original is name Emerl!  Doktor  Wilhelm   05:06, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm, Bendilin is being A bit offencive, and I consider changing the name to one that doesn't make sence with out first proving it, is vandalism, how do I flag this subject to avoid a "edit war" or such?  Doktor  Wilhelm   05:11, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The official Japanese websites (Sonic Advance 3 game page + Sonic Channel), the Japanese instruction manual, and the image from the website all say G-mel. YOU coming in changing his name to poorly thought up fan names is the only vandalism here. Stop it immediately, kid. —Bendilin 06:37, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


 * PLEASE STOP BEING OFFENCIVE! Actually isn't his name "ジーメル" ("Jiimeru") as stated above, so shouldn't it be written like that anyways? so I don't see how YOU get G-mel from that, "Encyclopedic content must be verifiable.", and you can't can you, Kid? It was GMerl long before I seen that YOU changes it, you are the only person who seems to think the name should be Gmel and not Gmerl! So I take it that there isn't an official english name?  Doktor  Wilhelm   15:04, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, after some searcing around I choose to believe that Bendilin is wrong, but I would like to know other peoples views on this subject? At the moment (though I really don' like to speak for other people), it seems like it's two Votes for Gmerl and one 'vote' for G-Mel, it's silly arguing over a one off chracters name...  Doktor  Wilhelm    —Preceding comment was added at 17:47, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Bendilin is correct about the file name of the SA3 picture: on the page http://sonic.sega.jp/advance3/, the picture is named gmel.gif – but this could be a typo. I don't know how to read Japanese to verify any others. Cigraphix 17:59, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


 * By your logic, Sonic's name is not Sonic. It's "Sonikku." Everyone who calls him Sonic is wrong. Sorry kiddo, his name is G-mel, and I've been updating the article since Emerl had his own, seperate page (before all minor Sonic characters were merged into one article). —Bendilin 16:25, 24 October 2007 (EST)
 * But Sonic does have a English name, dear child! I don't undersatnd how a name for a .gif is your answer! (and I don't really care about your updates, I've seen what you added to the Mario Kart Wii article!), I think you are getting your self mixed up!  Doktor  Wilhelm   20:36, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

The character's name is "JIMERU".| http://sonic.sega.jp/advance3/ (translated through Google), so if the Character doesn't have an English name, shouldn't it's name be as the Japanese. I am just Curious about Why the name G-Mel is taken as being the real name, just because of one .gif imge on a Japanese website.  Doktor  Wilhelm   18:50, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Sonic Team often uses English in their file names (like naming a pic of Sonic "Sonic.jpg" instead of "Sonikku.jpg"), this does increase the likelyhood that Gmel is the robot's English name (but its similarity to those others could still suggest it is a typo or something).   -On a side note: Bendilin is on the verge of breaking WP:CIV with his attitude, if he hasn't already. Cigraphix 22:05, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I think that G-mel is okay, as a name, after all he was made by Eggman, so he's lucky not to be called Eggy-Egg-Egg-o-DOOM or something...  Doktor  Wilhelm   18:07, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

G Mel and Bean
what are G Mel and Bean doing in this article? Shouldn't they be in the article "Minor villans in Sonic the Hedgehog (games)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.42.165 (talk) 23:09, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Bark and Bean were not bad guy characters in the 2 games they were in (Sonic the Fighters & Fighters Megamix), they were just fighters and were too under developed to be called heroes or villians - in fact nearly nothing was revealed about either of their personalities or their motives. Archie Comics needed to give them personalities and decided to make them bad guys.
 * G-mel (or whatever its name is) became a non-villian at the end of Advance 3. Cigraphix (talk) 00:02, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

His name is G-mel.
I'm sorry, but a fan site misspelling the name as "Gemerl" doesn't confirm anything outside of the name being a commonly used fan name out of ignorance of what his real name is, such as the people still calling Marine "Rings" and the people who call Rouge "Rogue." If you want, I can easily list several fan sites which call him G-mel. I can also list several fan sites that call him "Gemel" and "G-merl" too. Until Sega themselves tell us otherwise, the character's name is G-mel, especially considering how frequently all of the Japanese websites have the characters' names in English to begin with. If you don't like it, then tough luck. There's extremely little you can do about it outside of continuing to vandalize his Wikipedia article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bendilin (talk • contribs) 04:04, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Gemerl acually comes from a official Sega site for Sonic the Hedgehog (http://www.sonic-city.com/en/games/486.html), so that ruins any arguments about it being a fan made name!  Doktor  Wilhelm   22:14, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

The characters name is Gemerl
I am sorry, but Gemerl is his official name in the English language version of the game, there is a reference for it (see above), and there is no English language reference for G-mel as it's name, as such until a official English language reference from Sega &/or Sonic Team is found for G-mel, I consider changes to the name as vandalism by fanatical members of wikipedia!  Doktor  Wilhelm   14:27, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Marine image
Should't we get a new image of Marine the Raccoon? Or at least delete the one thats there now, I mean who wants to see a red box all day?Fairfieldfencer (talk) 12:42, 21 December 2007 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer


 * That's a glitch in the Wikimedia software where sometimes an image will disappear. I modified the pixel size to make it reappear; it should be visible now. -- RattleMan 16:49, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid that didn't work.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 19:48, 21 December 2007 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer


 * Gah, it turned invisible again. It's probably not a problem with the image, but the server hosting it. I removed the pixel limiter; it should work now. -- RattleMan 20:40, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

The image has gone again, and I repeat what I said earlier we should replace it or delete it.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 16:16, 22 December 2007 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer


 * It appears for me. -- RattleMan 16:28, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

I guess its just my computer then, sorry for wasting your time.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 17:59, 22 December 2007 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

There's a separate Marine article...
Marine the Racoon has her own article. Anyone think that we should merge the info back into Marine's article here or delete the separate article? ChromeWulf ZX (talk) 18:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It's just a copy of what's already in this article. I've redirected it. -- RattleMan 18:28, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I appreciate it. ChromeWulf ZX (talk) 23:17, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

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Maria
Shouldn't you add that she is a playable character in Shadow the Hedgehog? Mew Mitsuki (talk) 19:11, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it's mentioned in the Shadow the Hedgehog (game) article, but I'd not be sure how to fit in into the article, to avoid shouts of: "Wikipedia is not a Game Guide"...  Doktor  Wilhelm   19:17, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Bogus article
We got ourselves a bogus article that needs deleting here it is Myami The Hedgehog Fairfieldfencer (talk) 22:23, 31 January 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

Marine the Raccoon likeness
Hello,

I like Marine the Raccoon. She is pretty and awesome to have fun with!

JP —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.199.130.229 (talk) 11:02, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Character reception
I think it might be worth thinking about adding a section for Character reception for all characters, as a way to add notability!?  Doktor  Wilhelm   02:41, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Merger Discussion
TTN has re-opened a disussion for the merger of Other villains in Sonic the Hedgehog (games) and Other characters in Sonic the Hedgehog (games)‎ in to the List of characters from Sonic the Hedgehog (games) article (The discussion is at WikiProject Video games).  Doktor  Wilhelm   17:57, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

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Small animals in the Olympics!
The small animals from the early Genesis Sonic games are appearing in Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games. I suppose they are a part of the audience too, but you can clearly see some of them such as Picky or Pecky in the intro cinematic.

I beleve this should be considered in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.106.187.35 (talk) 19:51, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

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Merge location
As you already know TTN has reopened the discussion about merging most of the articles and here is the location.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 11:40, 27 February 2008 (UTC)Fairfieldfencer

The President in SonicX
I saw it said that the president in sonic X signed his name "Micheal R" and tht it could of reffered to Ronald Reagan's Son, Michael Reagan and i clicked on the article and he looked simalar to the president in sonic x!--Sonicobbsessed (talk) 01:08, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Prof. pic
I've found an image of Gerald Robotnik that I think we could use. I'll upload it, I just want an appinion.Prof. picFairfieldfencer (talk) 11:29, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Big creation
I think after Sonic Chronicles comes out we should give Big an article. 3 major game appearances and all those cameos should be plenty to make an article.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 12:25, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

NIDS
Is NIDS (Neuro-Immune Deficiency Syndrome), the illness Maria has, a real illness or something made up? Mew Mitsuki (talk) 19:13, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Something made up. It was probably based on Auto immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS). Fair field fencer (talk) 19:28, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Are you sure? I looked up the whole word, and got a lot of pages about NIDS. But it is not just one disease, it is a.. classification of diseases, like autism and cerebral palsy. And it was also called Neuro-Immune Dysfunction Syndrome. Maybe the NIDS here was a knock-off of this...? Mew Mitsuki (talk) 19:42, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Where did you type this in. Fair field fencer (talk) 19:46, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Google. Mew Mitsuki (talk) 19:59, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I just typed that in on wikipedia and nothing came up, and I'm sure it would have an article about NIDS. Fair field fencer (talk) 10:59, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I never saw it on wiki, so I guess it was made up. Mew Mitsuki (talk) 13:34, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Copy-editing
This article really needs some, wow. Anyone going to help me out on this?Avnas Ishtaroth (talk) 06:48, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Excessive use of images
This article appears to have excessive numbers of fair us images(currently 13), I would recommend someone more familiar with the article removes some. John .n-  IRL  13:23, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Vengaspell
It says something about Maria being vengaspell. is this from the comics? Also, when I searched anything about 'vengaspell' or 'vengaspell the oma' nothing came up except on google I got two pictures from deviant art on the normal search. Nothing on the image search either. Is she real? Just wanting to know...Mew Mitsuki (talk) 01:01, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It has been removed thanks to your research. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kurowoofwoof111 (talk • contribs) 01:34, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Your welcome Mew Mitsuki (talk) 15:42, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Merge
This article should be kept in its current sate as the List of characters from Sonic the Hedgehog (games) would remove from the detail in this article. This article is far more notable than any articles on a single character as it contains 20 characters nearly all of whom establish notability. Providing more direct links from List of characters from Sonic the Hedgehog (games) to this article would greatly improve both. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kurowoofwoof111 (talk • contribs) 15:20, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I suggest you say that at the talk page. Otherwise it'll go unnoticed. Fair field fencer  F F F  15:31, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Marine
Should we add that Marine can shoot energy from her hands? This happened while Super Sonic and Burning Blaze fighting Eggman and Nega in Sonic Rush Adventure. -Sonic&Mario Kid —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.97.140 (talk) 19:49, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It'd help more if we actually knew what it was. Here's a video clip showing Marine and her ability. It's at 00:33. And according to Luigifan it's supposed to be water that's around her hand. Fair field fencer   F F F  20:47, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

That's what I thought for some time to... And I also thought it was energy. But we should still add it. -Sonic&Mario Kid —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.97.140 (talk) 21:46, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Solaris resemblance?
I don't know for sure who Solaris' second form resembles but it reminds me of someone I can't put my finger on, if anyone knows, tell me, someone else, or do it yourself. SoundPound500000 November 22, 2006 10:33 a.m.

Wasn't a boss from one of those megaman games?Wolly da wanderer (talk) 02:43, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Shade could we add her?
Hey guys could we add shade to this list? As there seems to a decent amount of info now thanks to the Sonic RPG website.Wolly da wanderer (talk) 02:43, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

ok,what happened?
so what happened to this article,it only list like 3 characters here? Mysterious  Nazo  13:29, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Most have been moved to List of characters from Sonic the Hedgehog (games)‎ CIGraphix (talk) 14:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Uhh....
I don't know what happened, but in Sonic the Fighters, Bark's name is spelled "Bark the Polerbear." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.22.190.106 (talk) 07:35, 8 August 2008 (UTC)