Talk:List of Strawberry Panic! characters

Nagisa
One of the sub groups mentioned it was her aunt and not grandmother who recommended her to attend Miatre. Any thoughts? Digisouth14 19:49, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Hope the edit was alright. Digisouth14 20:15, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * As far as I can tell, no edit took place regarding her grandmother or aunt or perhaps I just don't see it. Anyway, if there is a conflict between the two, you could always listen to the spoken Japanese in the scene trying to hear if they say the word for 'aunt' or 'grandmother'. Where was it subbed 'aunt' instead of 'grandmother'? -- (  十八  |   talk  ) 23:34, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Miyuki
It's confirmed, Rokoju has feelings for Shizuma. How do we incorparate that in? Reference - Ep 17 raw. Digisouth14 21:50, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I thought you did incorperate it in, but then you edited it out...If it doesn't majorly conflcit with anything else in the article and if it's blatently obvious, it's okay to leave the edit in. -- (  十八  |   talk  ) 23:32, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

It's not like the episode was waving a love-sign there, though. To me, Miyuki's expressions throughout the (subbed) episode 17 appeared to be more like sisterly caring over Shizuma's well-being, rather than anything more intimate. Rexas 12:08, 28 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, I'd have to agree with Rexas after watching the subbed episode 17. Saying it's 'confirmed' is going a bit too far. -- (  十八  |   talk  ) 20:30, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I still stand by what I say. It's not only in just the current episode. Throughout the whole series, it's fairly obvious that Miyuki has feelings for Shizuma. Now, the important thing is that she never acted on them or yet. Still, upcoming episodes promise more development for Miyuki so I might be right or off base. Digisouth14 14:19, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, everyone has their own interpretations of the events of the show. However, Wikipedia doesn't really like speculation. As the series develops, maybe we'll find out that you're wrong, or maybe I'm wrong, or maybe it is never answered and is left open-ended. Who knows? Still, I think we should just leave things as is for now. --Remy Suen 14:43, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Sigh* Look Remy, doesn't mean that you don't agree means what I say is speculation. Standing by what I say doesn't mean editing out all the content or something. I even reversed a previous edit I made as I felt more opnions are needed. Besides the evidence in the show, apparently going outside of wikipedia to look at the conclusion others made on blogs, forums, sites etc.. it's exactly the same. So, if other people can also see that Miyuki does feel that way about Shizuma, I can't have been reading too much into it. Hence, I feel it's still a valid point. Now, no one said there has gotta be a huge edit on how Miyuki is gonna the hit sack with Shizuma or such thing. What I do suggest would be just to include an add-on about Miyuki's intentions (not about the sack thing) towards Etoile. Episode 19 raw (if one could understand) and subs (when it comes out) should provide more insight, one way or the other. All these are just suggestions, if after otherwise evidence or still as far as the end of the series, no one wants to agree I'm not going to go out of my way to press it. Do maybe try to give it a bit more thought. Digisouth14 07:37, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


 * If I didn't feel it was speculation, what else would I have felt it qualified as? Yes, I don't agree or think that Miyuki has feelings for Shizuma, but you think so, okay, so we're at a disagreement. So what should I be feeling here? I should feel that you're wrong, right? Isn't me feeling that your perception of what's being shown is incorrect pretty much the same thing as I feeling that what you believe qualifies as speculation? If you don't feel that I should have perceived it as speculation, we'll just say we're at a disagreement.
 * Anyway, I did not think that you would've made any large edits based on what you've said, and I don't think anyone else that has added to this discussion thought you would've taken such an action either. If you did, someone might've changed it back depending on what you did, but there's no guarantee that a revert would've happened. You surfed around and read people's opinions that supported your view, so you don't think you're reading too much into it, okay. And here we also have people that don't agree with such views, okay, so I also don't think that I'm not reading enough into it, alright then. Since you seem to feel quite strongly about this, if you want to put an add-on that says Miyuki has feelings for Shizuma, I'm not going to stop you and will simply let it be. But then again, as you said, these are just your suggestions, if you want to hang tight and wait for the series to unravel more information, that's perfectly fine with me. --Remy Suen 14:16, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

We can alway edit regardless of fact or fiction, speculation or otherwise. HOWEVER.... Please see the next discussion below. --Stahlwolf 05:32, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Very true. I think I might have gotten a bit out of line here with my recent reply on this discussion, my apologies. --Remy Suen 12:21, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't the source for the part of "When Shizuma forcefully kisses Miyuki as a 'joke', she sees this as cruel perhaps because she is being made to taste what she cannot have." be cited, be it manga or anime? The ending of the sentence seems like a speculation.. -- ffan
 * I believe that specific scene is near the end of the anime in the episodes with the flashback about Kaori.--  十  八  22:06, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Getting too deep?
To me the character bios are now going a bit too far. Do we really need to add on episode-by-episode trivia for each character? It's as if the bios are turning into episode summaries Can we simplify them more to who they are, thier role in their schools, and their role in the story, and maybe brief trivia. --Stahlwolf 20:25, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree. There's no point in telling exactly what the person in question has done thus far. Just basics is enough. Rexas 20:44, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree as well. That annonymous member has been putting in way too much trivial information that shouldn't be there. -- (  十八  |   talk  ) 03:57, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

My apologies, that would have been me. I allowed my enthusiasm to get the better of me. I shan't let it happen again, I hope, but please feel free to correct me again if it becomes necessary.--Art is life and life is an art. 21:45, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Character sub-pages?
Might it be a good idea to give each char a separate page, to be linked to through their names? If anyone then wants more in-depth info about each char, they could get it, while leaving the 'characters of strawberry panic!'-page fairly clean. --Art is life and life is an art. 20:35, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't personally like the idea of sub-pages. I don't think I've encountered too many character lists where additional information is actually presented as sub-pages. I think the case that was brought up previously is the issue of adding too much trivial and meaningless information. --Remy Suen 20:43, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, I tend to agree with Remy on this one. This article alone is already a sub-article of Strawberry Panic! and it would be quite ridiculous to create a sub-article of a sub-article. That extra info simply has no place in a character article that pertains to the who the characters are and what they're personalities are like. -- (  十八  |   talk  ) 20:56, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I'd have added it to the plot section, but that is apparently being kept quite exclusive ... and the tie-in to separate characters and a more elaborate analysis of them is harder to justify. --Art is life and life is an art. 21:03, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Momomi x Kaname
I'd just like to ask where and how it has 'become apparent' that Momomi was the one who initiated the relationship with Kaname. I don't think I saw that mentioned at all in the sub. Is it in the manga? Art is life and life is an art. 05:47, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I didn't say that it was her who initiated it, but if you remember althroughout the anime, it was always Momomi who was making the advances on Kaname. Go back to every scene between them and you'll see Momomi approaching Kaname and Kaname giving in to Momomi everytime. Using the information from episode 22, you can tell that Kaname didn't wholeheartidly love Momomi as much as Momomi did for her which is also the reason Momomi slapped Kaname at the end of that episode. -- (  十八  |   talk  ) 05:56, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Then I hope you won't mind if I edit the text a bit so as to prevent confusion? Art is life and life is an art. 06:09, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Wrap-up?
Now that the series has ended, do we add on the last bits of information to the character descriptions, such as who ends up with who et cetera, or would that be considered 'going too deep' once again? Art is life and life is an art. 06:04, 27 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Eh, I think that's too much a spoiler for the series because that's the main climax of the series, when two of the girls finally do get together, other than perhaps the winner of the Etoile Election, which I still don't know because I haven't seen the last episode yet. ^^;; -- (  十八  |   talk  ) 08:56, 27 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Well... How spoiled do want to go? Perhaps we should look at other anime wikis to determine how far one should go to give away an ending. Sometimes anticipaion and surprise are key to attracting fans. I, myself, would not include information about the last couple of episode, except for the Etoile election process. (I was so hoping for Chikaru to be a candidate :P )--Stahlwolf 04:47, 28 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I still say that this page should be mostly restricted to describing who the characters are instead of major plot climaxes like who they end up with when the series is over. So far we have seen that there are only three final conclusions for couples in this series, and I believe they shouldn't be listed in the article. -- (  十八  |   talk  ) 00:15, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Japanese Names
Umm... In Japanese and in Strawberry Panic for that matter the family name gets placed first. Example: Nagisa's full name is Aoi Nagisa, not Nagisa Aoi. Anyone mind if I switch them around in the article?
 * On Wikipedia, we are to place Japanese names in their Westernized ordering of given name first, family name second; see WP:MOS-JP.--  十  八  04:45, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't see how that is applicable. These aren't "modern figures" they are fictional characters. It seems like we should state the names as they are stated in Strawberry Panic to avoid confusion.
 * I already told you, Wikipedia uses the westernized ordering of names. If you want to complain, go to WP:MOS-JP, not here.--  十  八  10:17, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Classes
One thing I noticed was that Shizuma and Miyuki are listed as being in different classes, however, in an episode of the anime, they share the same class?
 * That was changed by me in this edit last year, though I can't exactly remember why, but I'm sure I had a good reason at the time. Are you sure that when they are shown being in class, it isn't in one of the flashbacks?--  十  八  06:45, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I rewatched the episode (9) and it wasn't a flashback. Miyuki was daydreaming about the past, and Shizuma catches her attention when the teacher calls for Miyuki. It might be an oversight of the anime, since the classes aren't really mentioned that much in the anime.

I also find it sort of weird how there are 6 years and only 3 classes, does that mean there are 3 classes for each year?
 * Hm, then I am not sure if the anime did an oversight or not because right now I can't understand why I changed it last year. And as for the number of classes, those are the only ones that were revealed, but I assume there to be more than just three or four per school. I think what may have happened was that I originally watched episode 9 and assumed her to be in the same class, but then it was revealed in a later episode that she was in the Flower class instead of Snow. Going by the time of the edit and what episode had just aired, it would have been in episode 19, though even with this speculation I'm not sure since it was 3 days after I saw episode 19 that I inputed the information, and the edit just before I changed it was from an anonymous user who inputed the classes for Shion, Kaname, and Momomi, but I didn't revert them for some reason, so there must be some place I went to find the information the anon posted to be true, and also update Miyuki's class to be the correct one, but I checked the official website and it's not there. The only place I remember actually seeing the classes designated was at the game website but that only lists 12 of the characters, and the only other place to find them would be in the manga or the anime, but since I don't remember the anime going into that detail, I'd check the manga chapters to make sure.--  十  八  23:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Other media roles?
It seems that most of these summaries are written from the anime only perspective yet some people say that the anime deviated away from the manga. Is there anyone who owns the manga or novels who could contribute? It doesn't have to be in great detail, just enough to state the differences in the other media. Sake neko (talk) 02:38, 25 February 2008 (UTC)