Talk:List of Swedish noble families

This is a fine page but (a) it's almost totally unsorted and (b) these should not be links. Can someone who knows how to make many of the same changes with some for of find and replace program remove the links and then we can ask people to add brackets only to those that exist or that really should? I think it would actually be better if the article had no links at all than have all these red links. Avraham 03:33, 2 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, the list is in order (explained in the lead). And I see no big problem with the red links. Several hundreds of these families are notable enough to get an article eventually, or at least a redirect to some other article. I think it is better to wait with a delinking project until the coverage of Swedish history is at least half-decent. u p p l a n d 04:51, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

List of Living Swedish noble families
Text below comes from List of Living Swedish noble families which I have redirected to this one. That list was incomplete (included only the counts) and seems unnecessary. From the POV of Wikipedia, the historical sigificance of a family is of interest, not whether there are some obscure members living at the moment. It will also date as families die out, and is inlikely to be updated. The creation years of the titles may however be useful for this list. u p p l a n d 04:51, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

- This is a list of living families in the Swedish nobility.

Counts

 * Lewenhaupt, #2 : Created 1568
 * De la Gardie, #3 : Created 1615
 * Oxenstierna af Korsholm och Wasa, #8 : Created 1651
 * Stenbock, #12 : Created 1651
 * Douglas, #19 : Created 1654 -- a branch of a Scottish noble family
 * Schlippenbach, #20 : Created 1654
 * Wachtmeister af Johannishus, #25 : Created 1687
 * Bielke, #29 : Created 1687
 * Gyldenstolpe, #35 : Created 1690
 * Bonde af Björnö, #41 : Created 1695
 * Mellin, #43 : Created 1696
 * Piper, #46 : Created 1698
 * Frölich, #49 : Created 1706
 * Posse, #51 : Created 1706
 * Nieroth, #52 : Created 1706
 * Spens, #54 : Created 1712
 * Mörner af Morlanda, #60 : Created 1716
 * Sparre af Söfdeborg, #66 : Created 1719
 * Creutz, #68 : Created 1719
 * Cronhielm af Hakunge, #69 : Created 1719
 * Barck, #81 : Created 1731
 * Cronstedt, #83 : Created 1731
 * von Rosen, #85 : Created 1751
 * Hamilton, #86 : Created 1751 -- a branch of a Scottish noble family
 * von Seth, #88 : Created 1762
 * Kalling, #91 : Created 1771
 * Horn af Åminne, #92 : Created 1772
 * Wrangel af Sauss, #93 : Created 1751
 * von Schwerin, #94 : Created 1766
 * Falkenberg af Bålby, #97 : Created 1778
 * Wrangel, #99 : Created 1778
 * Stackelberg, #100 : Created 1763
 * Beck-Friis, #104 : Created 1771. Only the head of the family is a count, other members are barons (baron family #278).
 * af Ugglas, #105 : Created 1799. Only the head of the family and his heirs are counts, other members are barons (baron family #311).
 * Strömfelt, #106 : Created 1799. Only the head of the family and his heirs are counts, other members are barons (baron family #105).
 * Klingspor, #107 : Created 1799. Only the head of the family and his heirs are counts, other members are barons (baron family #257).
 * Taube, #112 : Created 1734
 * Ehrensvärd, #113 : Created 1771
 * Thott, #114 : Created 1807. Only the head of the family and his heirs are counts, other members are barons (baron family #301).
 * Lagerbjelke, #115 : Created 1809. Only the head of the family is a count, other members are barons (baron family #254).
 * von Stedingk, #117 : Created 1809. Only the head of the family is a count, other members are barons (baron family #316).
 * Ridderstolpe, #119 : Created 1800. Only the head of the family and his heirs are counts, other members are barons (baron family #228).
 * Liljencrantz, #120 : Created 1812. Only the head of the family is a count, other members are barons (baron family #297).
 * von Engeström, #121 : Created 1814. Only the head of the family is a count, other members are nobles (commander family #1948A).
 * Adlercreutz, #125 : Created 1814. Only the head of the family is a count, other members are barons (baron family #331).
 * Barnekow, #128 : Created 1816. Only the head of the family is a count, other members are barons (baron family #230).
 * Cederström, #135 : Created 1819. Only the head of the family is a count, other members are barons (baron family #211).
 * Björnstjerna, #140 : Created 1826. Only the head of the family is a count, other members are nobles (noble family #2017).
 * von Saltza, #142 : Created 1843. Only the head of the family is a count, other members are barons (baron family #260).

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Medieval
You who have Swedish biographic handelslexicons and so forth at your use, when putting new articles, could start with noble families from which Carl XVI Gustaf descends, see an ancestry listing I write to Sibylla of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. ObRoy 18:51, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Families of the untitled nobility (adliga ätter)
I propose to eliminate this entire section. Bearian (talk) 01:29, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. You might replace it, if you are able, with a short paragraph explaining what this category consists of. AlexTiefling (talk) 10:14, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree, shorten it and link to an external source where a similar list is kept. --IIVeaa (talk) 10:44, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Strongly disagree. Though most names have no corresponding article in the English Wikipedia, this does not mean that they are not notable in Swedish history. In time, people may write articles. Clifford Mill (talk) 12:14, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. This list and that of the untitled unintroduced nobility are, implicitly, lists of lower, more minor families than those in the titled sections; as well as lacking in specific footnoted citations; lacking footnotes that update the citations; although it is claimed now in 2016 by a new editor that articles may be written about these red-linked families "in time", almost no such articles have been added since it was first suggested that the list be deleted in 2008; and finally, there is no precedent for listing every family of a nation's untitled nobility in English Wikipedia. FactStraight (talk) 02:21, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Problems with adding noble family living in Sweden!
I have been trying to add the KINDING family to the article List of Swedish Noble Families in the English edition. I was then adviced that this addition needs the approval of a Swedish authority. Anybody looking up the name Kinding in a Swedish telephone directory (or the net-based "Eniro" telephone information service) will find that there if this name are 4 households in Gothenburg (Göteborg), 2 in Mölndal, 1 in Kungsbacka, 1 in Sigtuna and 1 in Vallentuna, in all 17 people closely related. The official population register kept by the Inland Revenue is not publicly available. I strongly suggest that someone anywhere - maybe preferabli in Britain - googles the telephone index named "Eniro Sweden" and searches for the surname "Kinding" in order to establish the existence in Sweden of people wearing this family name.

As regards the quality of a coat of arms (often mistakenly called "crests") matriculated in The Public Register of All Arms and Bearings in Scotland to confer inheritable noblesse on the wearer thereof, the best witness in not any probably self-appointed expert in Sweden, but the staff of The Court of the Lord Lyon itself. Contact with the Court (which is a judicial court) is most easily established via its home page on the Internet, "Court of the Lord Lyon", where confirmation of matriculations of Kinding arms as well as of the nobilitating character of matriculations will be readily given. The standard heraldic work, by one of the real authorities on heraldry and noblesse, Innes of Learney, sir Thomas, Lord Lyon King of Arms, is SCOTS HERALDRY, which contains in its 2nd edition, page 20 (and in the 3rd edition, page 13) the following statement:

NOTES as numbered for the 2nd ed. [with the numbers for the 3rd ed. within square brackets]. "A coat of arms is the outward indication of nobility (note 2 [6]) and arms are officially described as 'Ensigns of Nobility'.(note 3 [7]) A patent of arms is -- and I say this with full official weight -- a Diploma of Nobility, (note 4 [8]) and as such both the Scottish and English Kings of Arms have treaated these patents, issued by them as Royal Commissioners."

(note 2 [6]) Edmondson, Complete Body of Heraldry, p. 154; Statute 1592, cap. 125; Acts, iii, 554; A.C. Fox-Davies,Right to Bear Arms, p. 34; Privy Council, 2nd ser. iii, 594; Sir J. Balfour, Heraldic Tracts, 'On Nobility', p. 9, No 37; Nisbet, System of Heraldry, iii, ii, 68, 'insigne verum nobilitatis'. (note 3 [7]) Nisbet's Heraldry, iii, ii, 65; Juridical Revue, September 1940, p. 198. (note 4 [8]) Ibid., p. 218, n. 2; J Woodand [Woodward] and Burnett, Heraldry British and Foreign, 1896 ed. pp. 11-15.

As the proof of the Kinding family's living in Sweden and its nobility is evident from open sources, Eniro and the Lyon armorial register, may I respectfully suggest

THAT those sources should be consulted in the first place instead of searching IN SWEDEN for an expert on Scots heraldry. That would be not only a quicker but also a more reliable way to check the fact that the KINDING family is noble through matriculation in Scotland and also well represented in Sweden.

Tändved Tändved (talk) 00:44, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Numbers seems to be wrong
The the numerical order seems to be wrong. Stiernswärd should be 2053 and not 2054, von Arbin should be 2054 and not 2055, Rosén von Rosenstein should be 2055 and not 2056 and so on... /Saftgurka (talk) 11:45, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 3 September 2017
Link to untitled nobility #689 BRUNOW is not correct. The link does not lead to Brunow family page. The Brunow family is also listed as a Finnish Noble Family (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Finnish_noble_families) 72.220.198.148 (talk) 05:29, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Yellow check.svg Partly done: I just delinked the listing. Note that because both Finland and Sweden are Scandinavian countries, they both share a history, and thus it is possible for noble families of both countries to share a name, though not with the same people. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 05:53, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 27 February 2023
change: 1305. Wallensten to 1305. Wallensteen

Wallensten is spelled incorrectly and is supposed to be Wallensteen Aron Wn (talk) 18:03, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: If anything, that long list of red links (all unsourced) should probably be removed. M.Bitton (talk) 19:01, 27 February 2023 (UTC)