Talk:List of Test cricket grounds

Suggestions
Suggestion: In the 'county' section for English and Welsh grounds (and for other countries as well - I'm afraid my knowledge of that is limited) might it not be more preferable, instead of having which county the ground was in, to have what county played there?

Suggestion: How about another column "Capacity"? - Ian &equiv; talk 03:28, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Someone suggested that on WP:FLC - come and vote! Do you have figures?  Some may be hard to find (the Bombay Gymkhana, for example, has no permanent stands).  -- ALoan (Talk) 10:22, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Names of sponsors
The names of some of South African grounds are currently prefixed with the names of the sponsors. I suggest that we call them just by the name of the ground - Kingsmead instead of Sahara Kingsmead.

Currently Kingsmead is redirected to Sahara Kingsmead. It would be better if the redirection is in the other direction.

The Oval thankfully is still not Brit Oval ! Tintin 06:04, 22 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Sooner or later England will have something equivalent to football's Reebok Stadium, though, where there is no non-sponsored name to use. I hate the prospect, but I'm sure it's coming. Loganberry (Talk) 23:01, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
 * You mean like - Headingley Carnegie Stadium as a result of sponsorship from Leeds Metropolitan University. 86.29.42.83 13:30, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Queenstown?
What about Queenstown, New Zealand? I don't know the name of the ground, but NZ and WI just played an ODI there a few days ago. Have tests ever been played there? Even if not, it's still an international ground in a Test nation. rvinall 24 February 2006
 * You'll find there's quite a few of them (Testless ODI venues), Australia alone has 8 --Paul 06:29, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Crowd capacity
How about extending the tables to include the ground capacities? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stonyisalegend (talk • contribs) 13:10, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I second thatGhoongta (talk) 07:27, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Georgetown, Guyana
Where did Bourda disappear to? Instead of replacing it with Providence, shouldn't it be kept as it was and Providence added to the end of the Windies list with the ground's first Test just underway. Parthepan (talk) 09:36, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Merge proposal
I am proposing to merge List of Test cricket grounds by date into this list. The only difference between the two lists is the order and I believe we can easily change the order with the sortable table; thus, the list of Test cricket grounds by date becomes unnecessary.--Crzycheetah 02:53, 4 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Support The sortable table will render the other list redundant. Dabomb87 (talk) 04:03, 4 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Support Agree  Aaroncrick (Tassie Boy talk) 04:05, 4 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Support per Dabomb's rationale. Nev1 (talk) 20:44, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Support absolutely. --Dweller (talk) 12:36, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Support great idea, if its not too much trouble could you add the capacities as well? Ghoongta (talk) 10:22, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The merge has taken place but it has lost significant detail so I have reverted it for the time being. I'll work on it carefully so as to preserve as much of the information as possible.  The Rambling Man (talk) 12:58, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Test cricket ground in Chennai, India
There is only one test cricket ground in Chennai, India(the chepauk ground/ mac stadium) and the Nehru Stadium is not a cricket ground at all, its a football ground. Ro —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.75.131.138 (talk) 16:17, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * and the end name of the MAC stadium are Anna Pavilion End and Wallajah Road End.
 * There was a Nehru Stadium in Madras which staged nine Tests in the 1950s and 1960s. I'm not 100% sure it's the one that is linked to but I imagine it is. --Jpeeling (talk) 22:10, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Order of listing is *NOT* as described
"The grounds are listed by country, with the countries listed in the order in which they first hosted a Test match and the grounds in each country listed in the order in which they were first used as a venue for Test cricket."

If the grounds were listed "by country", all of the grounds for one country would appear consecutively. If the countries were listed "in the order in which they first hosted a Test match", all the grounds of the first country to have hosted a test match would appear first, followed by all the grounds of the country next to have hosted a test match, etc., and the grounds within each country listed "in the order in which they were first used as a venue for Test cricket".

Thus, the order described is *NOT* the order used in the list.

It appears that the list shows the grounds in the order in which they were first used for a test cricket match, *regardless of country*, in which case the description could be amended to read:
 * "The grounds are listed in the order in which they were first used as a venue for Test cricket."

since it is the first two clauses in the current description that (i) are not correct and (ii) introduce the contradiction between the description and the listing (as well as adding complexity without value).

Either the list should be re-ordered to conform to the description, or the descriptions should be re-written to conform to the ordering used. I suggest the latter - keep the list the same and amend the description as I have indicated.

(I have never looked up a Wikipedia entry on anything cricket-related before and was more than a little surprised that the entry for a sport so renowned for its statistics should contain such an obvious inconsistency, which presumably has stood or some time). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.178.13.218 (talk) 13:15, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course, this being Wikipedia, you're welcome to make the changes yourself! The Rambling Man (talk) 13:41, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Come on cricket enthusiasts - train spotters put you to shame with their aptitude and affinity for detail and accuracy! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.173.175.55 (talk) 20:11, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- Red rose64 (talk) 20:15, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Test venues in the West Indies
Instead of simply putting West Indies in the Country column, we can better put the name of the country there with the appropriate flag and put West Indies in brackets. Anish Viswa  02:09, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I see that two grounds (Kensington Oval, Bridgetown, Barbados and Queen's Park Oval, Port of Spain, Trinidad) have been amended to show country flags. This creates an inconsistency: the other ten West Indies grounds continue to show the West Indies cricket team badge. -- Red rose64 (talk) 20:09, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Country column linking
Is it making much sense linking to the National team article from the entries in the country column ? I feel it will be better to link to the cricket board article. Anish Viswa  08:09, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * In that, I agree. -- Red rose64 (talk) 20:09, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Call the column something different then. If you list the country, then link to the country, otherwise you have nonsense like Wales linking to England cricket team, or the various links to West Indies being labelled with the name of the constituent countries. Spike &#39;em (talk) 09:02, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
 * To be clear, I think the current situation (where a link is made to the national team) is wrong, if you are going to call the column country it should both display and link to something that mean the same thing. The worst ones are the West Indian nations labelled as, for example, Jamaic, but linking to WI national team. To me this is just plain wrong as it goes against MOS:LINKCLARITY / MOS:EGG Spike &#39;em (talk) 09:36, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

EL section
I'm a bit confused as to what's going on in the external links section/collapsed. It appears to be copy-paste duplication. Can we remove it? -- WikHead (talk) 22:44, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. If I'm wrong, just revert.. Rich Farmbrough, 02:25, 1 June 2012 (UTC).


 * It;'s one-day cricket grounds. IF an article does not already exist, and it makes sense it should be cut and pasted there, with GFDL link back to the appropriate revid of this page. Rich Farmbrough, 02:28, 1 June 2012 (UTC).


 * Thanks Rich. That error has been reporting for days, and it's nice to finally see it addressed. Regards, -- WikHead (talk) 02:31, 1 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Restored by an IP. Rich Farmbrough, 18:04, 1 June 2012 (UTC).


 * Split to List of One Day International cricket grounds. Rich Farmbrough, 18:16, 1 June 2012 (UTC).

Grey-out the venues no longer used for test matches
How about colouring the rows with a grey background to indicate the old venues which are no longer used for test matches. Say, if the last test match was more than 10 years ago? This would indicate graphically how the spread of old/new venues has varied and would highlight the oldest venues which are still current.

Mr splosh (talk) 10:33, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

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"Last used"
A cricket ground that was last used for a test for a match that finished on 11th September cannot be said to have last been used on 7th September. Thus the column header "Last used" is not accurate. I appreciate that it is not realistic to back check which matches have lasted 5 days, and which 4, so rather than leave a header that would require such, I have twice changed the header to "Last match started", which renders the information true. User:Ankurc.17 has twice undone this with no explanation, although I had on both occasions given a reason in the edit notes.

Is there any sensible reason for pretending in an encyclopaedia that a ground last used on 11 September has not been used since 7 September, or that those grounds that have hosted only one test are presented as having been the scene of test matches that only last one day? Kevin McE (talk) 21:23, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
 * No good reason for the status quo. Most of our cricket lists which include dates of Test matches highlight the first day of the Test.  The way this is normally handled is a note to say "Date given is the first day of the Test match" and that could apply here.  Certainly no need for all this kerfuffle and edit warring.  The Rambling Man (talk) 21:31, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The Rambling Man Thank you for the support. All i have been doing deligently is updating the matches info as and when its been conducted. However, people are more interested in edit war then actually contributing. If they are so much concerned about casual viewers then sporting websites (cricinfo, cricbuzz) should refrain from using or providing such info. The said user only comes up once in a year type out from there hibernation and suddenly start acting as if they own everything. --Ankurc.17 (talk) 06:33, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm intrigued that you read that as support for your opinion: he said there was "No good reason" for the text that you edit-warred and reverted to. Kevin McE (talk) 18:28, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I think "Last match started" or at a stretch "Last match" are more accurate. I prefer "First match" to "First used" too. Spike &#39;em (talk) 09:09, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * So "First match started" and "Last match started" would be your proposal for the column headers? Kevin McE (talk) 18:28, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * So it should be "First match" and "Last Match". If its ok with everyone will make the necessary changes. Can someone also mention if the date is sufficient for last updated or do we mention Last Match No. as well. --Ankurc.17 (talk) 10:39, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * No, I don't see any consensus for that. Kevin McE (talk) 18:28, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * And i don't see anyone opposing that... --Ankurc.17 (talk) 02:09, 21 September 2018 (UTC)


 * I'd read it as the date the Test started, per other cricket lists. This can be covered via a footnote, tooltip, or both.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 14:30, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Grounds by country
The current listing of the grounds by country is very informative, but I'm wondering about two things:

1. When Northern Ireland eventually hosts a test match will it be listed as a separate country? Because it clearly can't be listed under Ireland (and given Wales is listed separately from England I'm guessing this would be the precedent).....

2. Given that in cricket, the West Indies and Ireland (and for Ireland this holds true for the rugby codes too) are often listed and treated as single nations (rather than their constituent countries), would it not be useful in some way to have this in the table or as some kind of notation (along with the corresponding statistics?). For example, if used like the other sporting lists, this is how the grounds by country would look with West Indies and Ireland treated the usual way:

List of number of grounds by country, up to 27 November 2019 (Test 2370)

* Figures for eight matches played in Dhaka, Bangladesh while it was part of Pakistan are included in statistics for Bangladesh.

† Figures for three matches played in Cardiff, Wales are included in statistics for England. 72.27.110.200 (talk) 04:06, 29 November 2019 (UTC)


 * So maybe something like this as shown below?


 * List of number of grounds by country, up to 27 November 2019 (Test 2370)


 * {| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:left"

!Country !! No. of grounds !! Location of first match !! Date of first match !! No. of Tests
 * 🇦🇺 Australia||11||Melbourne Cricket Ground||15 March 1877||422
 * 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 England$2$||9||The Oval Cricket Ground||6 September 1880||523
 * South Africa||11||Axxess DSL St. Georges (St. George's Park)||12 March 1889||235
 * 🇳🇿 New Zealand||9||AMI Stadium (Lancaster Park)||10 January 1930||213
 * 🇧🇧 Barbados$1$||1||Kensington Oval||11 January 1930||54
 * Trinidad and Tobago$1$||1||Queen's Park Oval||1 February 1930||61
 * 🇬🇾 Guyana$1$||2||Bourda|| 21 February 1930||32
 * 🇯🇲 Jamaica$1$||1||Sabina Park||3 April 1930||52
 * 🇮🇳 India||29||Bombay Gymkhana Ground|| 15 December 1933||274
 * 🇧🇩 Bangladesh||8||Bangabandhu National Stadium||1 January 1955||70*
 * 🇵🇰 Pakistan||16||Bahawal Stadium||15 January 1955||144*
 * 🇦🇬 Antigua and Barbuda$1$||2||Antigua Recreation Ground||27 March 1981||30
 * 🇱🇰 Sri Lanka||8||Paikiasothy Saravanamuttu Stadium||17 February 1982||142
 * Zimbabwe||3||Harare Sports Club||18 October 1992||58
 * 🇻🇨 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines$1$||1||The Playing Fields||20 June 1997||3
 * United Arab Emirates||3||Sharjah Cricket Association Stadium||31 January 2002||35
 * 🇬🇩 Grenada$1$||1||National Cricket Stadium||28 June 2002||3
 * 🇱🇨 Saint Lucia$1$||1||Beausejour Stadium||20 June 2003||7
 * 🇰🇳 Saint Kitts and Nevis$1$||1||Warner Park||22 June 2006||3
 * 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 Wales$2$||1||Sophia Gardens||8 July 2009||3
 * 🇩🇲 Dominica$1$||1||Windsor Park||7 June 2011||5
 * 🇮🇪 Ireland$3$||1||Malahide Cricket Club Ground||11 May 2018||1
 * }
 * 🇦🇬 Antigua and Barbuda⇭⇭⇭||2||Antigua Recreation Ground||27 March 1981||30
 * 🇱🇰 Sri Lanka||8||Paikiasothy Saravanamuttu Stadium||17 February 1982||142
 * Zimbabwe||3||Harare Sports Club||18 October 1992||58
 * 🇻🇨 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines⇭⇭⇭||1||The Playing Fields||20 June 1997||3
 * United Arab Emirates||3||Sharjah Cricket Association Stadium||31 January 2002||35
 * 🇬🇩 Grenada⇭⇭⇭||1||National Cricket Stadium||28 June 2002||3
 * 🇱🇨 Saint Lucia⇭⇭⇭||1||Beausejour Stadium||20 June 2003||7
 * 🇰🇳 Saint Kitts and Nevis⇭⇭⇭||1||Warner Park||22 June 2006||3
 * 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 Wales⇭⇭⇭||1||Sophia Gardens||8 July 2009||3
 * 🇩🇲 Dominica⇭⇭⇭||1||Windsor Park||7 June 2011||5
 * 🇮🇪 Ireland⇭⇭⇭||1||Malahide Cricket Club Ground||11 May 2018||1
 * }
 * 🇱🇨 Saint Lucia⇭⇭⇭||1||Beausejour Stadium||20 June 2003||7
 * 🇰🇳 Saint Kitts and Nevis⇭⇭⇭||1||Warner Park||22 June 2006||3
 * 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 Wales⇭⇭⇭||1||Sophia Gardens||8 July 2009||3
 * 🇩🇲 Dominica⇭⇭⇭||1||Windsor Park||7 June 2011||5
 * 🇮🇪 Ireland⇭⇭⇭||1||Malahide Cricket Club Ground||11 May 2018||1
 * }
 * 🇩🇲 Dominica⇭⇭⇭||1||Windsor Park||7 June 2011||5
 * 🇮🇪 Ireland⇭⇭⇭||1||Malahide Cricket Club Ground||11 May 2018||1
 * }
 * }
 * }


 * * Figures for eight matches played in Dhaka, Bangladesh while it was part of Pakistan are included in statistics for Bangladesh.


 * 1 For Anguilla, Antigua and Barbuda, Barbados, the British Virgin Islands, Dominica, Guyana, Grenada, Jamaica, Montserrat, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Sint Maarten, Trinidad and Tobago, and the United States Virgin Islands the national team that participates in ICC tournaments is the West Indies. 2 For England and Wales, the national team that participates in ICC tournaments is England. 3 For the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland, the national team that participates in ICC tournaments is Ireland.


 * If the figures for these countries and territories were grouped and listed according to their national teams in ICC tournaments/according to ICC membership, the statistics would appear thus:


 * {| class="wikitable sortable" style="text-align:left"

!Country !! No. of grounds !! Location of first match !! Date of first match !! No. of Tests
 * 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 England||10||The Oval Cricket Ground||6 September 1880||526
 * West Indies||12||Kensington Oval||11 January 1930||250
 * Ireland||1||Malahide Cricket Club Ground||11 May 2018||1
 * }
 * Ireland||1||Malahide Cricket Club Ground||11 May 2018||1
 * }
 * }
 * }


 * Could something like this work where the current list is kept and a supplementary smaller list given to provide the total statistics for England and Wales, the West Indies and for Ireland as a cricketing body if Northern Ireland ever starts hosting test matches as well? Then when the individual countries are updated (e.g. Saint Lucia, Northern Ireland and Wales each host an additional test, then those countries/territories in the main list are updated and the supplementary list is also updated?72.27.110.200 (talk) 04:06, 29 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Looks good to me. Will make similar changes in T20Is and ODI lists Ankurc.17 (talk) 04:39, 12 December 2019 (UTC)