Talk:List of The Belgariad and The Malloreon characters

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Thanks for creating this page, I think it was a good idea. i added links both to and from the main page on The Belgariad. In future if a page is split off the main page, please be sure it links both ways when created. DES 18:20, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Minor characters
I've merged the contents of Minor Characters (Belgariad) into this article. User:Kingspoon66 was the original author of this. Realkyhick 15:20, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Can I ask why this even exists as those five characters don't even appear in the Belgariad, they don't appear until the Mallereon.Wild ste 20:57, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Minor Change
Eriond is not the third Child of Light, there have been hundreds through the ages, though most just for a few minutes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.109.98.211 (talk) 08:49, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Belgarath
Belgarath the Sorcerer on this page currently links to the book that serves as his biography, which seems counter to standard practice to me. Shouldn't it be the other way around ("this page is about the book; for the character, see ")? I'm not saying there needs to be a page for Belgarath (although, for a character who is co-eval to Gandalf in The Lord of the Rings within the Belgariad/Malloreon mythos and has his own book, it could be appropriate). In any case, I suggest beefing up the one-liner he has to set him apart as a principal character cf. Polgara, and then fixing the links. What do you all think? - Banazir (talk) 17:51, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

I removed the reference to psychokinesis from Belgarath's reference, as the Will and the Word is sorcery, capable of a great deal more than just movement. - binarywraith (talk) 00:07, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Protagonists
I don't think Sadi or Velvet are mentioned in the Mrin Codex. I think Cyradis identifies them as The Man who is no Man and the Huntress. I believe Poledra's identity is from the same source. I'd change this, but I'm not complete sure. I'm about to read the Mallorean again, so I'll check it then. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.93.204.1 (talk) 13:23, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Sadi is one of Queen Salmissra's eunichs,He is The man Who is no man. Poledras is The Women Who watches. Lelldorin is the Archer.zakath is the Empty one. cnedra is Queen of the world. Vlvet is the huntress. sent to kill harakan at toraks temple at ashaba..durnik is the man with two lives. Barak Dreadful bear. Mandorallen is the Knight Pritector.Iforget Exactly whick bookBut cyradis does name them by these.Ancient and beloved is belgerath.Silk is the guidebeldin was addwe to offset the number of grolims Zandramas had with her22:10, 23 October 2010 (UTC)SineBot (talk)taiba was a constant worry for belgarath because she was a marag but they were wiped out.she was found in the caves of rak cthol at ctuchiks tower. SineBot (talk) 22:10, 23 October 2010 (UTC)rjprawat

there have been many childs of light.these are the ones i know of belgerath--the only one i know for sure is when he meets zedar in the mountains of morinland. the voice tells him this. brand.he is the child of light at the battle of vo mimbre. poledra. before brand can duel with torak poledra goes to riva to set the orb in a shield that belgerath picks up for brand. note: being a chi9ld of light can a second, a minute or until the task is completed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rjprawat (talk • contribs) 22:47, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

There is no basis that Durnik was called BelDurnik. This name is never mentioned in the book and Durnik is never renamed by Aldur. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.84.72.180 (talk) 11:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Naming basis
I've noticed the use of "Beldaran II" and "Geran II", I assume this is because Beldaran is named after Polgara's sister and Geran was Belgarions father. However, should the numerals be used? I've never seen them used in the book. Beldaran maybe because she was Iron-Grips wife, but Garion's father Geran was never a reigning monarch. If we use the other basis, like in the USA where numerals are often used in family names, I've never seen any mention of that form of useage in any of the Belgariad/Mallorean books or even the Sparhawk books. So is this proper? I will admit to not having read the Rivan Codex, so if its mentioned there, apologies. Douglasnicol (talk) 19:33, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

While it appears most of this notation has been removed, it is not entirely incorrect. Members of a royal line are often considered to be 'king' in their time even if they never actually reign. The best fictive example is Tolkien's geneaology of the royal families of the Dunedain in the appendices of The Lord of the Rings, which can be considered a direct parallel to the Rivan line in the Belgariad. The chieftains of the Rangers of the North are 'numbered' as if they were kings despite never assuming the throne until Aragorn II took the throne of Gondor at the end of The Return of the King. It is, however, incorrect to refer to Prince Geran as Geran II while Belgarion is king or to refer to Princess Beldaran as Beldaran II at all; the original was not a queen regnant and neither is the princess. If one were to write a genealogical chart of the Rivan line, however, it would be correct to refer to Garion's father as Geran I and his son as Geran II. With the assumption that Geran II was the last Rivan king whose name is known to us. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrismrich (talk • contribs) 05:31, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Wouldn't Garion's father be Geran II? Geran I would have been the Prince of Riva that escaped the massacre of his family.--Stephen C Wells (talk) 17:50, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

'Other Characters'
I placed Mordja in the list of antagonists but did not otherwise meddle with this section, but I do suggest it be removed entirely. Cyradis can be considered either a 'Protagonist' or a 'Supporting/Minor Character' depending on one's views (I lean toward the former) and Senji is clearly a 'Supporting/Minor Character.' There really isn't a need for this section at all. Chrismrich (talk) 05:40, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Maybe Cherek Bearshoulder in the second book of Mallorea's prology should be listed as a character?

"...and he lead Cherek Bearshoulder and his three sons to the uttermost east, where Torak built Cthol Mishrak, "City of the eternal night". "

page 7, at the end of the first page of the prology. 109.58.68.252 (talk) 21:46, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Article name after move
The original name, "List of The Belgariad and The Malloreon characters" was moved to "List of Garion characters" with the edit summary "The list title should reflect the series title rather than the titles of the constituent novels." I've never hear of The Belgariad and The Malloreon series be referred to as "Garion" novels. If so, it would be more correctly "List of Garion novel characters" or "List of characters in the Garion novels."

If there was just one series of books, the article would be properly named "List of The Belgariad characters" or "List of characters in The Belgariad" or some variation. Having two series of books just means include them both in the article title. &mdash; MrDolomite • Talk 19:07, 8 April 2010 (UTC)


 * For a similar combination of series name and list name, see the contents of of which this article is an eventual subcategory of. &mdash; MrDolomite • Talk 19:19, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * List of The Keys to the Kingdom characters for The Keys to the Kingdom
 * List of The Seventh Tower characters for The Seventh Tower

Merge with Zandramas, Belgarion, Deities in The Belgariad and The Malloreon and Races in The Belgariad and The Malloreon
Neither of the characters in this epic are sufficiently individually notable to justify their own articles. The deities and races lists have no secondary sourcing and very little primary sourcing, meaning that much of the content can be shortened and a merge would result in a reasonably sized list. As such, the following articles should be merged here: Zandramas, Belgarion, Deities in The Belgariad and The Malloreon and Races in The Belgariad and The Malloreon. Neelix (talk) 17:28, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, but don't you think the article will get kindof bulky? Sadads (talk) 18:01, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I think that Belgarion needs his own article, so I disagree with the merger.--Stephen C Wells (talk) 20:53, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Stephen, please do not remove the merge templates while the discussion is ongoing. If these four articles were merged here without any reduction in content, this list would still be a reasonable size. If size gets to be a problem, content will simply have to be cut; literally none of it is currently referenced in secondary sources. As for Belgarion, he only needs his own article if he is sufficiently independently notable apart from the series as demonstrated by secondary sources, and such sources do not appear to exist. Neelix (talk) 01:07, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose merge of Belgarion. While notability is not transferred, the book series themselves are notable, and deriative works or terms that merit an article which would not fit into the larger main article, are also presumed to.  The rest can be merged.   Dreadstar  ☥  01:58, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

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