Talk:List of The Bill characters (E–L)

Heaton's rank
Was Heaton a superintendent or a chief superintendent? The article says both. Richard75 (talk) 23:37, 21 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Heaton was a Superintendent and I have updated this record as such. BNC85 (talk) 13:49, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Nonsense updates
I have changed a few of the entries, namely for PCSO Colin Fairfax and CPS Lawyer Jonathan Fox; which were full of nonsense and inaccuracies. These have been updated from memory and may need certain tweaking / updates. BNC85 (talk) 13:49, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

PC Kent
Since the chapter about PC Kent is rather long, I'm not quite pleased whith it. It's not was is written, but what is lacking. Whithout doubts PC Kent was (interpreted as) a "very bad cop indeed", or actually worse (including the murder of Kerry and that he avoided to save the female police-journalist from the fire.) But the article focuses almost only on his negative sides. In many episodes he actually behaves like "a good cop". F.i. when handeling boys and adult men with minor criminal behaviors or problems he could comprahend. He's personality is a bit more comlex than the article otherwise suggestes. (Especially since the article about PC Kent is very long) 83.249.42.164 (talk) 05:50, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Copyediting
I've been going through this and some of the other character list articles and there's a lot of bad writing that has needed clearing up. A few things that stick out:


 * 1) Use of slang, both from the show ("Smithy" rather than the more formal "Smith") and from London vernacular ("copper" rather than officer, "guv'nor" rather than "senior officer", "mate" rather than "colleague", "a Yorkshire lass" etc.). Wikipedia is written in a formal style. This doesn't require over-pompous academic language, which would be inappropriate in an article on a police drama series, but we could tidy this up quite a bit and make it more of an encyclopedic style.
 * 2) Sometimes the language lacks clear reference. There are a number of sentences where instead of using names, we just use gendered pronouns to refer to people. This reached a point of comedy in the section on Luke Ashton's affair—referring to a gay affair and the consequences of it for the straight partner with over-reliance on "he" and "she" rather than using the actual names—"Ashton", "Gilmore" and "Young"—made the whole thing unclear.
 * An example from this article, now fixed: "Before Jo can arrest her, she kidnaps her and attempts to kill her, but is arrested by CO19 before she can succeed." – her, her, her. Who?
 * 1) The use of temporal descriptors is often messy in these articles. The show is now over, we probably shouldn't be using present tense, especially as we are rapidly approaching 30 years since "Woodentop" aired.
 * 2) When describing romantic relationships, the tone of the descriptions is often suggestive rather than clarifying: for instance, of PC Mike Jarvis — "But there may have been a spark of something for Polly Page". Well, was there, or wasn't there? "There may have been" is the sort of thing you write if you are making a character description for a TV guide or DVD boxset to try and get people to watch the programme, but not the sort of thing you write for an encyclopedia. It'd be great if we could instead reference specific things that characters have said or done in particular episodes. I'm sure with the access that some of us now have to services like HighBeam, contemporaneous newspaper/magazine (Radio Times etc.) reports may contain this kind of material. Just a suggestion.

There's a few other issues:


 * 1) "he was also put on Section 15 for attitude" — we should say what this is.
 * 2) "Yvonne was also connected to Shirley Moss, in lots of bad ways but lots of good as well." – I can't quite put my finger on what annoys me about this sentence, but it does.  Firstly, who is Shirley Moss? Why should I care about this? And how are the two "connected". Delivering a baby, okay, that's good. What are the "bad ways" they are connected?
 * 3) "PC Gabriel Kent's evil activities" (it was "actions", but I changed it to "activities") – we should specify what those are.
 * 4) "whether it was men or women!" – do we really need to put an exclamation mark after describing someone as bisexual? It's not that shocking... (fixed)

There's lots more that needs doing, but that's a good start. —Tom Morris (talk) 15:02, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

PC Derek Higgins
You left out PC Derek Higgins from season 1.

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