Talk:List of The Golden Girls episodes/Archive 1

Episode articles
I've noticed some errors with many of these articles. Cheers. The JPS talk to me  15:07, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Episode titles are "in quotation marks"
 * series titles are italicised: The Golden Girls
 * There should be no 'quotes' sections.
 * Ideally, there should not be a trivia section. The Simpsons has some pretty good articles: have a look at "Cape Feare" or "Things Aren't Simple Anymore" for an idea of what episode articles should look like.
 * Each article should have at least one external link. I've seen a couple of episodes on this list with a link: good.
 * Try to combine two-part stories, e.g. The Last One (Friends episode), is the articles are going to be short. There's no point in having two short articles when one will suffice.

Episode notability

 * The result of the discussion was to redirect all of the episode articles to this page's list of episodes.

All of the episodes of this series fail the notability guidelines for television episodes. The way for these articles to be improved is through the inclusion of real-world information from reliable sources to assert notability. That is unlikely to happen, and these only contain overly long plot summaries, trivia, and quotes. Per that, they need to be a small part of this list. If there are no objections, these will be redirected soon. TTN 18:35, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I object. What's wrong with having information out there? The sources can be added later. 04:17, 12 August 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.142.27.82 (talk • contribs) diff


 * The information has been out there, and now they needs to be sourced or redirected. TTN 04:20, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Good thing those are merely guidelines and not laws! --Nricardo 01:21, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Unless something is up with the guideline (a disputed tag or something) or this is an exception (These are the same as all of the others), guidelines are to be followed pretty throughly. Just saying "Oh, those are merely guidelines." doesn't help you at all. TTN 01:30, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Five pillars. Please see the fifth one.  Ignore all rules. --Nricardo 11:12, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * That isn't how that works. That is only used for things like policy violations and very extreme circumstances. TTN 14:31, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid I don't understand. I am interpreting your comment as saying that we can ignore the rules with regards to policy violations, but not with regards to guidelines (which are really just community suggestions)?  That's not right, so obviously I'm misreading your statement.  What is your motivation with all this anyway?  Wouldn't your time be better spent working on articles of interest to you, rather tahn destroying articles of interest to others? --Nricardo 15:45, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * You cannot just ignore guidelines that you don't like. That has nothing to do with the policy or anything like that. Only things like WP:BLP violations ever fall under that rule. Even then, it has to be stretched sometimes. Fiction is mostly in disrepair on this site. To help make it better, I like taking the forgotten trash in the garage to the dump more than tidying up the already clean house. TTN 15:58, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I have listed this under the episode review to avoid any sort of wikilawyering crap with the above user. Sorry for not listing the episodes, but it seems fairly redundant when discussing on the actual list. TTN 12:46, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, I think skipping the explicit listing on the talk page might be a good thing - less busy work and and no possibility of accidental omission. I believe that we need to do larger block at a crack; whole shows, not just specific seasons. --Jack Merridew 13:30, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Agree. These articles clearly fail the standard outlined at WP:EPISODE. No amount of fan-driven wikilawyering can change that. Redirect ALL to LOE. Eusebeus 12:57, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I have not reviewed all of these episodes, but those I have certainly fail and should be redirected. Will comment further in a day or so. --Jack Merridew 13:30, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Yo, can we keep this civil?!?! Accusations of "wikilawyering" are not exactly nice. Besides, the wikilawyering began with the imposition of neo-rules like "episode notability". Somebody decides there aren't enough rules, so let's create some, and in the process why don't we ignore the pillars on which Wikipedia was founded. We'll just misinterpret them and relegate them to the dustbin of irrelevance. Let's destroy information while we're at it. Pop culture doesn't count. People only come to Wikipedia for serious, scholarly information. --Nricardo 17:09, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Nricardo, I'm sympathetic to your viewpoint. What I'd like to see in Wikipedia articles on television episodes is context, which means something more than plot summaries and in-universe trivia.  To that end, you might want to look in sources like this or even this.  Sources like this and this may also be useful, but their reliability is questionable since they appear to be self-published (or nearly so).  Commentary on the specific episodes from DVDs may also have some useful content.


 * I would advise you (and anyone else who's interested in keeping individual articles for these episodes) to find sources which discuss these specific episodes, and improve the articles accordingly. If you do that, the objections will fade away. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 20:07, 18 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'll look into those.  --Nricardo 22:58, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I've been looking at these articles and have not found anything meeting the episode guidelines; these could all be covered better in a summary in the LOE; the articles should redirect there. --Jack Merridew 11:00, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Motion to close
see: recent changes

Discussion has gone stale and it is time to move on. I've seen nothing that establishes notability of any of these articles - and I do see more non-notable articles appearing, so I think we're done here. Articles will be redirected absent significant editing in the near future. --Jack Merridew 10:41, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

nb: oldid of LOE prior to delinking. --Jack Merridew 10:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Episode descriptions
I've added (some) descriptions of episodes, and also adjusted the table layout slightly for a better appearance. To contribute missing descriptions, just look for and replace  (entire string from   to  ). SEO75  [  talk  ] 09:52, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

There are way too many exclamation points in here and its very annoying. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.177.208.27 (talk) 23:27, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Finale
This episode's summary was WAY TOO LONG. It was more than a brief synopsis, so I changed it.-DANO- (talk) 03:08, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Episode descriptions are wrong
some of these episode descriptions are wrong. Please just watch the DVD's.

In Sophia's Wedding Part I, Sophia and Max do get married and Quentin Tarantino is in the final scene of the episode, at the couples wedding as an Elvis impersonator. This does not occur in Part II. At the start of Part II, the couple is already married, and return from their honeymoon to move in with the Girls.

Also, Richard Mulligan appears from Empty Nest at the end of Yokel Hero, as he brings the girls their mail as they have been away in St. Olaf. Not in the Sophia' s wedding episode.

My references are the Buena Vista released DVDs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.141.2.113 (talk) 03:58, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


 * You're right, thank you. I recently added this info, and somehow must have got the three eps wrong by one.  SEO75  [  talk  ]  04:20, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Please note that in episode 92, Dorothy and Sophia only talk about going to the Florida Keys. They actually go to Disney World. Micah1814 (talk) 04:22, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I looked over the episode descriptions and have a couple of suggestions that I will leave to the author(s) whether to incorporate. I noticed a number of descriptions which were not exactly as I would summarize, but one in particular. In episode 123, Blanche only imagines herself as the inspiration for her sister's novel. If this were a TV listing which was meant to keep us in suspense, that would be fine, but I am viewing these as factual (within the context of the episodes) plot summaries.

Also, Lucas Hollingsworth is listed as a recurring character. I don't think appearing in a two-part episode at the end of the series qualifies him as a recurring character. Miles should definitely be listed in his place.

Finally, it is obviously a judgment call over whether to include notable cameos and guest stars, but if Mario Lopez and Alice Ghostley made it into the list, I think there are a number of others who need to be considered. Here are some guest stars that maybe should be noted, with episode numbers listed in front:


 * 23 Polly Holiday
 * 27 Burt Reynolds (maybe redundant since he is listed in the plot summary, same with Bob Hope)
 * 37 & 44 Nancy Walker
 * 51 Rita Moreno
 * 59 Mclean Stevenson
 * 82 Nicholas Cage was another one of the Elvis impersonators
 * 130 Don Ameche
 * 132 Martin Mull
 * 133 Ruby Dee
 * 137 Sonny Bono and Lyle Wagoner (sp?)
 * 138 Cesar Romero (sp?)
 * 168 Ken Berry
 * 171 Alex Trebek
 * 108 Harold Gould as Miles; I think it is noteworthy that this is the episode where Miles is introduced

Micah1814 (talk) 05:08, 28 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Micah. Please feel free to incorporate these suggestions into the article. --Nricardo (talk) 11:08, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Episode numbering
I will be revising the episode numbering system based on their original broadcast format. Syndication split these episodes into two parts but DVD releases retain the original broadcast version (see List of ALF episodes for similar format. Oanabay04 (talk) 19:27, 13 May 2013 (UTC)