Talk:List of The Office (American TV series) episodes

Listing Hour Long Episodes as One or Two Episodes?
I'm not sure what to do here. It looks like different people have edited the episodes as some hour-long episodes are only counting as one episode and some are counted as two. For example, Weight Loss and Lecture Circuit are considered two episodes on their respective pages, but Stress Relief is considered one episode. This later confuses the Cafe Disco episode as to be considered the 27th episode of season 5, but Casual Friday, the episode before that, is considered the 24th. This needs to be corrected by either considering hour-long episodes as one episode, or two.

I, personally, believe that hour-long episodes are two episodes and should be counted as such. On the list of The Office episodes they are considered as two episodes. Also, on the DVD/Blu-Ray information of Season 5, the DVD says it contains 28 episodes, and the Blu-Ray says it contains 26 episodes, which is probably because the Blu-Ray merges the hour-long episodes into one episode, but it is inconsistent with the list provided. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mackerni888 (talk • contribs) 00:51, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

I have gone into most of the episodes and fixed the episodes' numbers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mackerni888 (talk • contribs) 04:04, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

The IMDB page, Netflix, and Amazon video list one hour episodes as a single episode. To be consistent with the major sources of episode numbers not found on physical media I can't see or on blog posts, I think the episode numbers should be changed. Recommending episodes to people based on plot elements I searched for requires me to look here and get the episode name, then find out what the rest of the world numbers it. Naheenanajah (talk) 19:37, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Deleted Scenes
Since webisodes are listed as well as episodes, why not make a list of deleted scenes? Especially since the main article indicates that they are canon. Also throughout various The Office articles there are numerous mentions of things which happen that are said to be in deleted scenes, but there are no mentions on which ones these are. It seems very inconsistent and any researcher would probably like to know. MagnoliaSouth (talk) 17:07, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Removing Episode Summaries?
As far as I can tell, on sept. 3rd all of the brief episode summaries were removed from this page. I think that these helped the reader locate the article they were looking for and that the episode titles by themselves do not sufficiently distinguish themselves. I suggest the previous format is reinstated. Falztobias —Preceding undated comment was added at 06:01, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Absolutely Agreed. Right now, this is a useless article.  It was an attempt by a dedicated user to promote the list to featured status, but I think it's seriously harmed the article.  When I get a chance (maybe the weekend), I intend to restore those summaries.  Cheers-Cbradshaw (talk) 14:59, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I disagree completely. The main episode list is a great place for name/writer/director/date etc info, but the season pages are where the detailed summaries should be included, as is now.  It's much too cumbersome with the summaries, and I think the page is much more helpful as is.  Mastrchf  (t/c) 23:06, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I suggest keep the summaries, but replace them with the network's press release synopsis of the episode. We really don't need the entire episode plot spoiled in a brief summary for an episode page. Not everyone looking at that page has seen the whole show.
 * A very good idea. Mastrchf  (t/c) 00:49, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Episode 29?
How come there is no Episode 29 in the list? Is this just a misnumbering error, or is there a reason? Cmcnicoll (talk) 07:55, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, I see that all of the webisodes are listed as episode 29. Does anyone else think this is weird? It seems like only things that aired on television should be numbered as episodes. Cmcnicoll (talk) 07:58, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope, it's pretty standard. They were all filmed/produced/released together, or rather in short succession, and thus all have the same episode number.  Mastrchf91  (t/c) 12:03, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, my comment was more on the fact that the webisodes weren't televised. I understand that they were all filmed together, but since they are called webisodes, it seems strange to include them in the episode count. Cmcnicoll (talk) 05:38, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Screwed up formatting
Something is screwing up the formatting and pushing the season 4 episode descriptions down to the bottom of the page, even though clicking on the edit link for season 4 shows that the code is all there in the correct place. Can anyone fix this? I've gone through the whole section and compared it with the season 3 section, which works fine, and the structure appears to be identical, so I can't figure out why season 4 is getting screwed up. Grrr...-- Hux (talk) 21:15, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. Like you, I went through the whole section (I'm not the most experienced editor by any means) and everything looked ok. 64.183.172.174 (talk) 21:21, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Are you putting it before the final |}? That's usually a problem.  Mastrchf91  (t/c) 21:22, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks like the |} was missing from the end of the table completely. An anonymous editor fixed it. Thanks! -- Hux (talk) 04:28, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, well, that's good. A lot of times it gets deleted when a user either copies and pastes incorrectly, or does a bad revert.  Mastrchf91  (t/c) 15:06, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Season 5
Removed the following unsourced material. When I went to the "source", it discussed how this was a fake entry on WP. But...I will put it here should it prove to be true:


 * Sounds good to me. Mastrchf (t/c) 19:34, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Tables
Kevin's Loan section needs a table for the four episodes, and The Accountants section needs a color change. Just leaving this as a note to either myself or anyone else who wants to fix the problems. Mastrchf (t/c) 12:12, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Error
The writers and directors are mixed up, i.e. the "writer" and "director" headers for each season's episode table should be swapped. Can someone fix this? I don't know how to do it, because of those weird {::} type table things. - Spyke1077 (talk) 20:18, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I check some random episodes' writer/director with the article of episodes' themselves and there were no problem. We can consider it fixed. Behnam (talk) 00:00, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Episode number, in season and overall
I'm going to add episode-number-in-season and put the episode-number-overall in parenthesis; like many other TV series episodes list. Behnam (talk) 00:00, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I decided to use the style used in list of Lost episodes: first column is series number, and the second one is episode number in the season. Also we need to fix the hints about the table in the paragraphs before tables; i.e. change all to look like the one in season 1 page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Behnam (talk • contribs) 00:58, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Completed. —BEHNAM〈☯ —Preceding undated comment was added at 02:33, 23 January 2009 (UTC).

Webisodes
The webisode season do NOT need their own level 2 headings in between the regular seasons. I suggest that they are all grouped under a single leavel 2 heading below the regular seasons. Sideways snake (talk) 13:25, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Could you please give a reason why you believe as such? Mastrchf  (t/c) 21:45, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Because when you scroll through the article, most people are simply concerned with the 'proper' episodes, and could not care for the fact the in between seasons there are a chunk of 'webisodes'. The vast majority of the page's traffic never has and never will see a webisode, hence it would more appropriate for them to be grouped later in the article. Sideways snake (talk) 06:30, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * We cannot make such an assumption. How could one know that the "vast majority of the page's traffic never has and never will see a webisode"?  Either way, other FLs use this same format, and I'd say that the current consensus (by way of the FL candidacy) is that the current format should stay.  Mastrchf  (t/c) 14:50, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks Mastrchf - I know that if there isn't a clear course of action then nothing should change at all, it just seems illogical for the webisodes to be interspersed when they are not of dire relevance to the season - merely expanded universe "novelty" shots in a sense. For instance the fact that they don't have production codes further shows their unimportance when compared to the other episodes. The only comparison I can think of is the List of Lost episodes, which indeed has a set of "mobisodes" towards the end of the article rather than interspersed. Cheers, Sideways snake (talk) 13:49, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I have factored in these changes. I think it works quite well! If anyone has an issue please discuss it here rather than brashly reverting. Thanks Sideways snake (talk) 10:35, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it needs changing as now we don't know where they occurred chronologically, which was the main advantage as having them in between the seasons. IAmTheCoinMan (talk) 02:35, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd tend to agree with this statement. Although each series of webisodes is pretty much independent of the rest of the episodes/webisodes, it's helpful to know where the webisodes sit chronologically with respect to all episodes, not just all other webisodes.  Mastrchf  (t/c) 13:00, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Why is the webisode "The Podcast" not listed here? I'd add it, but this seems like such a big oversight that maybe there's some reason I don't know about. I notice that it is no longer available on NBC.com...dancheatham (talk) 07:26, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

100th Episode
According to Jenna Fischer, the Season 5 finale will be the |RSS 100th episode. I am updating the individual episode pages after "A Benihana Christmas" to reflect the fact that hour-long episodes count as two in the episode count. If they are not updated, Wikipedia will have the finale as the 93rd episode. StyrofoamChicken (talk) 18:26, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't really think that a blog by an actor suitably justifies these changes. Maybe it will be the 100th new episode to be aired, but the current consensus is that for Wikipedia's purposes, two part episodes count as one episode.  I'm going to be reverting these changes later in the day, as I feel they go against our current consensus.  Mastrchf  (t/c) 18:38, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Plenty of things are cited on Wikipedia based on what an actor or actress says about the projects they are involved with. Should Wikipedia's consensus override information straight from Jenna Fischer because it was posted on her Myspace blog? StyrofoamChicken (talk) 19:04, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think you understand. There's a strong difference in what 100th episode could mean.  Wikipedia lists episodes by titled episodes.  An episode could have 100 parts, would that make it 100 different episodes?  No, it's still one episode.  Fischer most likely meant that it would be the 100th episode aired, which is very different than the 100th episode produced.  Either way, the current consensus on not only Office episodes, but the vast majority of TV episodes, is to have numbering by the produced episodes.  Mastrchf  (t/c) 19:13, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't agree with this change, specially just to make the page consistent with one blog post. The lists have got very confusing with the new episode numbers.  Please note that *each* episode has one title and one air-time.  Counting a long one twice is what the production code does, which is probably what an actor(ess) mostly thinks about, but the title and air-time are what users take into account. Behnam (talk) 12:53, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Agree completely Benham. Mastrchf  (t/c) 12:57, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * If the episode is supersized like the season finale of season 2, than it is only one episode. However, if two episodes have been made into one 44 minute episode by the hand of the producers/writers, than yes they should be two episodes.
 * In Underbelly: A Tale of Two Cities it started with a double episode premiere, and the premiere is 2 of the 13 episodes in the series. However, the episodes were shown back to back with only one title sequence(at start), and one credits(at end). As opposed to having 2; 1 of each for each episode. Get me? I think this is a good example of what's happening here. But don't forget to change the respective article leads for all those affected by the changes as well as other changes. IAmTheCoinMan (talk) 11:30, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've gone ahead and fixed all the changes. An episode aired an hour after another or an episode aired a week after another, as long as they have the same title, are the same episode. Mastrchf  (t/c) 14:18, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it makes sense that the hour long episodes are counted as one episode. Even though they could be broken up into two episodes for syndication, they're still one long episode on the DVD set. However, Lecture Circuit aired in two parts in two different weeks. The episodes are called "Lecture Circuit, Part 1" and "Lecture Circuit, Part 2". They are two separate episodes and counting them as one episode isn't right. Stunn (talk) 18:06, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll agree with this Stunn. Probably would be a good compromise.  Mastrchf  (t/c) 20:47, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Considering NBC is saying the season finale is the 100th episode, and considering cast members are on the publicity circuit touting it as such (for example, just saw Oscar Nunez as a guest on Last Call and they discussed the 100th episode), the episode guide here should probably reflect the official tally. --24.196.151.154 (talk) 05:52, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

You've really... numbering
You've really fked up the numbering. NBC ordered 29 episodes for season 6. 

They were provided with 29 episodes, it's just that some of these were combined. This article states there is only 25 episode in season 6, when there is actually 29. In the last episode of season 6 article, Company Picnic, it states that the episode is 28th of the season in the lead, yet 25th in season in the episode list, and infobox. Some of these even have two production numbers yet you've only counted it as one episode. someone really needs to change this, it is truthfully really fked up here. IAmTheCoinMan (talk) 01:37, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Congratulations on almost using expletives. Please note that 25 different episodes have been aired, some have simply been split up.  Mastrchf  (t/c) 03:08, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, 25 episodes have aired. With Heavy Competition being the 25th, and four remaining in the season making 29, except that the incorrect numbering says otherwise.IAmTheCoinMan (talk)
 * Pardon my error. 25 titled episodes, with 4 being split into two parts, either have been or will be aired.  <span style="font-family:Lucida Calligraphy, sans-serif; color:DarkBlue">Mastrchf  (t/c) 03:19, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * there still should be 29 episodes, and the numbering here is wrong and needs to be fixedIAmTheCoinMan (talk) 05:30, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No, it's not. Producers simply chose to make an episode 60 minutes long, and these two parts were aired on two different weeks.  This happened four times during the season.  The numbering is correct, and no changes should be made.  <span style="font-family:Lucida Calligraphy, sans-serif; color:DarkBlue">Mastrchf  (t/c) 13:53, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * they can't choose to make it that long. they combined two episodes. some of the production codes are even like 516/517 hence two episodes.

A code of 516/517 denotes one episode split into two parts. It's still one episode, it still has the same title, it still was written by the same person/persons, it still has (generally) the same plot, generally only noting that minor changes may be made such as a different setting for the same plot (specifically, the "Lecture Circuit" episodes). I understand your point, but for our purposes, it's false. We note that the episode is split into two parts, but it is still one episode. <span style="font-family:Lucida Calligraphy, sans-serif; color:DarkBlue">Mastrchf (t/c) 23:28, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * you don't understand simple logic. IAmTheCoinMan (talk) 04:31, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Probably not....but I do understand what one episode is. <span style="font-family:Lucida Calligraphy, sans-serif; color:DarkBlue">Mastrchf (t/c) 12:16, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

then i guess you should understand things like Iron Man: Armored Adventures' first two episodes, which aired back to back in a double episode premiere, with one set of credits, yet is two episodes. Hmmm same goes with Underbelly: A tale of two cities, latter of which with different production codes. But you don't understand that, so obviously you don't understand what one episode is.
 * Please note that on each The Office DVD set, the hour long episodes are counted as one episode. All of your points come from different series, which is good and fine for each that its own particular example comes from, but this is The Office, not Underbelly or Iron Man.  I've yet to see a convincing point as to why these episodes that were aired at the same time should be split into two.  I'll credit Lecture Circuit as two, only for the fact that the episodes were aired on different weeks.  But each of the other episodes that you say are two, are in reality only one.  <span style="font-family:Lucida Calligraphy, sans-serif; color:DarkBlue">Mastrchf  (t/c) 20:51, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

it's still listed as one, and the numbering on the articles themselves are still screwed up. your really not very good at this. IAmTheCoinMan (talk) 22:18, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah...it(being the single article "Lecture Circuit") is still listed as one. I never said I'd change it.  You want to change it, feel free.  I have no regards.  And the numbering on the articles is only screwed up due to someone who shares your (incorrect) viewpoint and decided to go on a massive changing spree.  As to your last statement, I agree wholeheartedly.  Thanks for the wonderful reminder.  "You're", not "your", by the way.  And if you would be so kind as to use colons to tab your replies, your statements would be much easier to see.  <span style="font-family:Lucida Calligraphy, sans-serif; color:DarkBlue">Mastrchf  (t/c) 23:11, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

see thats the problem, your view is incorrect, not this smart dude who changed them to the correct numbering. IAmTheCoinMan (talk) 09:52, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I hope you're putting as much humor into that as I think you are. <span style="font-family:Lucida Calligraphy, sans-serif; color:DarkBlue">Mastrchf  (t/c) 14:33, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

So...
So looks like i was right all along. Really shows how stupid you were about the whole thing.IAmTheCoinMan (talk) 04:09, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Haha, sure, ok kiddo. You want to list one episode as two?  Fine by me.  Bureaucracy over common sense is a problem that we face, but alas, we shall never defeat.  <span style="font-family:Lucida Calligraphy, sans-serif; color:DarkBlue">Mastrchf  (t/c) 12:18, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Your right... i guess Reuters must be wrong. But then again, why would Silverman say this: "It's a thrill that we got to 100 episodes, and probably incredibly surprising looking back at the process it took,"
 * But i guess your right, what would the co-chairman of NBC Entertainment and EP of The show now about his own show ay?
 * Ouch.IAmTheCoinMan (talk) 22:51, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Sigh...I feel as if you're one of those children (or adults who act as children) who are more concerned with winning on a point or downing another user than actually helping out the encyclopedia. I've never heard of one episode equaling two episodes, but I guess the marketing strategies of 100 episodes at the season finale appealed so much to the producers that it seemed like a good idea.  40 minute episodes aren't two or even 1.5 episodes, but who knows?  Bureaucracy over common sense, but as you kindly pointed out, I've been stupid about this entire discussion.  <span style="font-family:Lucida Calligraphy, sans-serif; color:DarkBlue">Mastrchf  (t/c) 00:35, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * For other half-hour shows, like Seinfeld or Friends, hour-long episodes were counted as two. 71.169.156.76 (talk) 05:31, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * He's right. I'm merely informing your of your ignorance and high annoyance level, because you claim to add to wikipedia, but your ignorance also hinders it every day. Sigh, you people ruin wikipedia.IAmTheCoinMan (talk) 13:15, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Region 2
uhh, i'm not sure if i'm doing this right, never done it before - but it says on the page that the first four seasons are availble in regions 1 and 2, but i've looked feckin' everywhere and season four is not on region 2 yet. amazon.co.uk and play.com both list it as a pre-order. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.16.126.254 (talk) 09:15, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I live in The Netherlands and bought season 4 about a month ago, which included dutch and french subtitles. I checked the dutch Universal Pictures site and found out it released April 9th: http://www.universalpictures-dvd.nl/theofficeseizoen4.html

KRBM (talk) 15:09, 13 September 2009 (UTC)Bas

Season 6
Like Season 5, an anonymous user has posted unverified information about the season premiere of Season 6. I don't believe that this information is correct, but I'm posting in here in case it turns out to be true. StyrofoamChicken (talk) 04:50, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * You know that could actually be a good episode. It has a good premise.IAmTheCoinMan (talk) 13:17, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Someone also needs to fix the episode numbers. I would but I don't know how. A one hour long episode does not equal 2 episodes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.87.29.158 (talk) 02:00, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Renaming of episode number columns
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Source clean up?
For the sources on ratings, it all seems to go to the same site, but just different pages, could we tidy this up by linking to one page showing all of these separate pages? It would be an


 * No, it wouldn't. Simply linking to the site isn't sufficient reference because the information being sourced is not there. Ratings need to be sourced directly to the page where that information is, otherwise it's technically unsourced and would have to be removed. It all goes to TV by the Numbers because that's the most reliable and most easily accessible site that posts ratings information for TV shows. Sometimes they create special pages that list ratings for an entire season of a show, such as Breaking Bad or Grey's Anatomy, but they have not done so in the case of The Office. SchrutedIt08 (talk) 05:21, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned references in List of The Office (U.S. TV series) episodes
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Ratings info updated
I have updated dated the "series overview" section to include all the 18-49 demo ranks and filled in "season 9" missing information it took forever so please stop changing it back! If your worried I didn't include references I did there all mainly from same websites so yeah there should not be any problems, thanks!

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Merger proposal
I propose to merge The Office: The Accountants into List of The Office (American TV series) episodes. I think that the content in The Accountants article can easily be explained inside this article and that this article is of a reasonable size that the merging of The Accountants will not cause any problems as far as article size is concerned. All information found in The Accountants is already found at List of The Office (American TV series) episodes so it wouldn't be an issue. The only thing The Accountants-article offers is an image and one-sentence summaries but that's it.  Some Dude From North Carolina  (talk) 20:06, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

I think it looks better to have separate articles. Keeps things smoother and looking fresh. CageToRattle 04:36, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yet all of the same information can be found at List of The Office (American TV series) episodes. It would make sense to have two articles if one had more, but The Office: The Accountants simply has one-sentence summaries (which can be added to the episode list), cast (already in the episode list), who wrote/directed it (already in the table), and an award (already in prose).  Some Dude From North Carolina  (talk) 14:15, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Season 4 episodes error
There seems to be an error in which a few episodes take up two episode numbers. This is incorrect, and someone with better knowledge about formatting than me can fix it. Bachale (talk) 20:43, 7 May 2022 (UTC)


 * This is not an error. The Office is a half-hour show, but some episodes were an hour long, and the show's producers, NBC, allocated two episode numbers to these double-length episodes. So "Money" (42 minutes long) is the seventh and eighth episode of the fourth season. —Bruce1eetalk 22:07, 7 May 2022 (UTC)