Talk:List of The Penguins of Madagascar episodes/Archive 1

This article was a mess
I'm not sure what was happening with this article but it was a bit of a mess. I've "recreated" the article based on conventions used by other TV episode lists. One of these is using the Episode list template for individual episodes. This template allows for linking directly to individual summaries. Episode dates have been based on the listings at TV Guide, which is considered to be a reliable source, buty I was unable to find anything there about "Popcorn Panic", so I've added Fact tags to the entry, as well as the original airdate for "Gone in a Flash", which also isn't listed at TV Guide. --AussieLegend (talk) 13:20, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It was one of the IP's, 24.218.198.135, he/she kept removing the table and merging all the text together as he did at this edit -- Gman 124 talk 13:40, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

There are 26 11min parts in season 1 so how is there 34 eps in season 1. Some Could be part of Season 2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.211.226.136 (talk) 13:41, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

More confusing edits
I really have no idea what the reasoning behind several edits made today is. Without edit summaries it's impossible to know why edits that make no sense are being made. How can the pilot, which was aired before "Popcorn Panic" be episode 2, while "Popcorn Panic", an episode that wasn't aired and which was released after the pilot, becomes number 1? What is the reasoning for swapping other episodes and completely deleting others? I also note that the rather ridiculous a,b numbering that was discussed above was restored for a while. It was then made more confusing by another editor. Episode numbers follow the airing sequence, so the air date is the guide to episode numbers. That said, Popcorn Panic should probably be listed separately because it wasn't aired. I'll have to think that one over but for now, I've restored the episode sequence so that it matches the air dates, rather than the crazy system that has been introduced. At least some editors today have been doing the right thing,, so all is not lost.--AussieLegend (talk) 08:03, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Can't we just add another episode number thingy? P.S. I Rock Wikipedia! (talk) 13:25, 10 April 2009 (UTC)DJ WikiBob
 * There are other fields that we could use but what's the point of doing sp when the a,b numbering makes no sense, as has been explained above? --AussieLegend (talk) 13:32, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

New edit summaries
The following are new edit summaries, written after viewing the episodes, but they can't be added to the article yet because I don't have a citation for them and the episodes haven't officially aired yet. They will be added after the episodes air.

The Hidden
Marlene and Mort visit the new neighbors at the zoo to welcome them but the new neighbors take Mort. Marlene reports to the penguins who set off to rescue Mort but find that Julien and Maurice are also present in the new neighbors' enclosure. One by one, the animals disappear, leaving only Kowalski to rescue them all. Kowalski captures two of the hostiles, who turn out to be friendly chameleons.

Kingdom Come
The penguins think they hear a hyena, which turns out to be Julien, who is being taken to the hospital, leaving Maurice to act as king. Maurice goes crazy after eating Julien's lychee nuts, demanding the loyalty of all of the animals in the zoo. After fighting Maurice's two gorilla bodyguard's, Bada and Bing, in an unsuccessful attempt to wrest control from Maurice, the penguins seek out Julien at the hospital. They find that Julien was sent crazy by bad nuts but a guava juice given to him counteracted the effects of the nuts. With Julien, the penguins try to regain control by spraying Maurice with an aerosolized version of the drink. Julien is knocked out before he can spray Maurice but Mort manages to spray him and save the day. After Maurice recovers, the lemurs play cards with the penguins, while Mort eats some of the bad nuts.

--AussieLegend (talk) 10:41, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Some of the airdates are wrong in the current episode list (I think)

 * 5/9/2009: Popcorn Panic; Gone in a Flash
 * 4/25/2009: All Choked Up; Little Zoo Coupe
 * 4/18/2009: The Hidden; Kingdom Come
 * 4/9/2009: Crown Fools; Tangled in the Web
 * 4/8/2009: Tangled in the Web; Two Feet High and Rising
 * 4/7/2009: Two Feet High and Rising; Penguiner Takes All
 * 4/6/2009: Penguiner Takes All; Assault and Batteries
 * 4/4/2009: Operation: Plush and Cover; Happy King Julien Day
 * 4/3/2009: Paternal Egg-Stinct; Assault and Batteries
 * 4/3/2009: Paternal Egg-Stinct; Gone in a Flash
 * 4/2/2009: Assault and Batteries; Paternal Egg-Stinct
 * 4/1/2009: Paternal Egg-Stinct; Happy King Julien Day
 * 4/1/2009: Happy King Julien Day; Launchtime
 * 3/31/2009: Happy King Julien Day; Operation: Plush and Cover
 * 3/30/2009: Operation: Plush and Cover; Launchtime
 * 3/28/2009: Launchtime; Haunted Habitat

The above is from the TV guide site see this page, which is added as a refernces for the episode airings. I don't think it should be used because it does not give out the correct airing dates. They have listed some of the episdoes multiple times. For example see Launchtime. Also I don't think launchtime and Haunted habitat were aired the same day (maybe it did, don't remember). But sources that don't tell when a episode aired clearly, should not be used. -- Gman 124 talk 00:30, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * TV Guide is a reliable source so, if you don't think it should be used, what should we use? Unless you can come up with something better that clearly contradicts the TV Guide schedule, then we have to believe TV Guide is correct. "I think it's wrong", is not enough reason to abandon TV Guide. In fact, it's original research. --AussieLegend (talk) 09:07, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

The Chimps in Needle Point
The Chimps are in the episode "Needle Point" as the article sugguests they aren't. I will now change it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.58.17 (talk) 19:40, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Episode summary length and quality
I apologize for writing so much here, but I believe this is an important issue. Thank you.

Concern has been implied by the user AussieLegend over the length of some of the episode summaries, more specifically, the summary credited to the user MRTC Penguin on the episode “Go Fish.” The longer and newer summary of the episode in question was changed back to the original by AussieLegend, which I found to be quite lax in detail and specificity, so I used my judgment and changed it back to the MRTC Penguin version. It’s a bit long, I know, but I personally like the flow and clarity of it.

(Compare the two versions here. The original is on the left, while the MRTC Penguin one is on the right.)

Most of the early episodes have shorter summaries, while most of the newer episodes are longer. In fact, the “Miracle on Ice” one is the longest, longer than the “Go Fish” one that had been an issue.

I believe a standard must be put in place for all episode summaries for “The Penguins of Madagascar.” Half being short and vague and the other half being, in effect, Reader’s Digest transcripts of the episode shows inconsistency. Additionally, I believe that the quality of the summaries needs to be improved; they would greatly benefit from being written by a more professional sounding writer or writers (in the style of the longer, but better flowing summaries, such as “Go Fish,” “Miracle on Ice,” and “Popcorn Panic.”) I realize that the episodes article is written by and has contributions by a multitude of individuals, but I’m for more oversight by those with the highest interest and skill, AussieLegend and MRTC Penguin both, I believe, being among them.

The below are my personal feelings towards the summaries as they are currently written. Though I have issues with many, please know this is just my opinion, and I want your thoughts on them, as well as my overall length/quality point.


 * “Gone in a Flash”: Fair; could be better
 * “Launchtime”: Needs further detail
 * “Haunted Habitat”: Needs much work
 * “Operation: Plush and Cover”: Could be more detailed
 * “Happy King Julien Day”: Would benefit from more detail
 * “Paternal Egg-Stinct”: Fine (though I would include Skipper’s initial reluctance to watching the egg)
 * “Assault and Batteries”: Fine
 * “Penguiner Takes All”: I would do more detail
 * “Two Feet High and Rising”: Fine
 * “Tangled in the Web”: Acceptable
 * “Crown Fools”: Not my personal style, but acceptable
 * “The Hidden”: I’d edit it a little
 * “Kingdom Come”: Not my personal style, but acceptable
 * “All Choked Up”: I’d revise it a little
 * “Little Zoo Coupe”: I’d add a little extra detail and change the fact that it was Skipper and not Kowalski who refused to let Julien drive the penguins’ car and that Julien stole Alice’s electric zoo “cart,” not “car” (the latter two items being simple factual errors that I’ll probably just fix myself after I complete writing this)
 * “Popcorn Panic”: Long, but well-written and clear
 * “Go Fish”: Long, but well-written and clear
 * “Miracle on Ice”: Long, but most is well-presented; Kowalski’s quotes when he was confused are funny, but do add to the length (not so much an issue with me personally, however)
 * “Needle Point”: Would benefit from being re-written
 * “Eclipsed”: Would benefit from being re-written
 * “Mort Unbound” and “Roomies”: I’ve got to wait for these episodes to air first. I can’t wait!

Thank you for your time. Respectfully,

-An Anonymous Fan of “The Penguins of Madagascar”

76.192.6.77 (talk) 07:11, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Mort Unbound
Is it possible that the episode Mort Unbound is a reference to the Dragon Ball Z movie Bojack Unbound? I guess we'll have to see the episode first to make any further judgments. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.195.57.192 (talk) 01:21, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Proposal of individual articles for episodes
I have a possible solution for the length of summaries issue which would take in account the need (in my opinion) for the writing of summaries to be good and detailed. For lack of a better title, I will call my proposal the Seinfeld Resolution.

The proposal is simply this: Rather than have episode summaries that are too short (which some argue shows lack of detail and below par writing quality) or too long (which some argue are not meeting the guideline of a “short summary”), I suggest there be instead individual articles on Wikipedia for each episode of the series. While this might seem a bit extreme, such has been the case for other TV shows, such as the sitcom “Seinfeld.”

Please take a look at these samples to understand more about what I am suggesting:


 * Click here for an example of the list of episodes article for “Seinfeld.” By clicking on the title of any episode, you go to that episode’s article.
 * Click here for an example of an article for one of the show’s episodes

I personally do not know how practical something like this would be for 11-minute animated cartoon episodes, but I figured that I’d suggest it anyway. 75.60.108.49 (talk) 06:07, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * None of the episodes meet the requirements of Notability, making it impossible to justify individual episode articles. I refer you to Manual of Style (writing about fiction) and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, the latter which states "Coverage of a work of fiction and elements of such works should not solely be a plot summary, but instead should include the real world context of the work (such as its development, legacy, critical reception, and any sourced literary analysis) alongside a reasonably concise description of the work's plot, characters and setting." The Parking Garage was written at a time when there was a general belief that eny episode deserved its own article. If it was nominated at Articles for deletion today, it would very likely be deleted because it fails most of the requirements for an episode article.
 * As I've indicated above, many featured articles don't even include summaries and feature article status is what every article should be aiming to achieve. --AussieLegend (talk) 07:22, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Strangely enough, however, the Seinfeld episode list article IS a "featured list." Somebody must be doing something right there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.58.181.20 (talk) 05:10, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The episode list is featured, the individual episode articles aren't. --AussieLegend (talk) 06:01, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

(On the original post): So moved. 75.58.176.228 (talk) 07:34, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

anonimo
Dr. Blowhole's Revenge, this episode is only on nickturbo latinoamerica!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.160.51.38 (talk) 16:49, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Question on Dr. Blowhole episode numbering
The episode number on the upcoming “Dr. Blowhole’s Revenge” episode is listed simply as “special.” I have noticed that a few people have tried affixing an actual episode number (or numbers) to it in the past few days. My question is: What seems to be the consensus on episode numbering? Will (or should) this episode ever be numbered, and if so, how do we determine its appropriate number? Other lists of TV episodes, such as List of SpongeBob SquarePants episodes seem to number their specials (see “To SquarePants or Not to SquarePants” in the Season 6 chart and “Spongebob’s Truth or Square” in Season 7 chart for example).

Just wondering what should be done here and how we should treat “Dr. Blowhole’s Revenge.” Thanks, Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 06:44, 8 February 2010 (UTC)


 * If it's aired as a single episode it should get a single episode number, and that number will be determined according to the episode's position in the schedule. It's already noted in the episode summary that it's a 30 minute special so there's no confusion. This is no different to other programs where the season finale is aired as a single, double length episode. --AussieLegend (talk) 07:36, 8 February 2010 (UTC)


 * That’s exactly what I thought in the back of my mind. Thanks. Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 09:23, 8 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually, it is episode 48/49. As it is a full 1/2 hour, it is 2 episodes. It will air on the 15th on NIK, it will also be included in OPERATION DVD, along with Episode 50: Truth Ache, and Episode 51: Command Crisis. Episode 52: Huffin and Puffin has no air date yet.--Ares1701 (talk) 01:32, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


 * As I've indicated on my talk page, an episode that is twice the length of a normal episode does not automatically become two episodes. Also as I indicated on my talk page and in the edit summary when I reverted your change, we need reliable sources confirming that it is two episodes. Right now we have one that says it's a single episode so that's how it should be treated for now. --AussieLegend (talk) 06:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Season one end date
The following was posted on my talk page today:


 * There are three unaired season 1 episodes are still remaining (even though season 2 debuted.) So please do not put "February 15, 2010" on the overview template box. "Huffin and Puffin", "Truth Ache" and "Command Cristis" are season 1 episodes that are unaired on TV.


 * Here's the proof: http://www.toonzone.net/schedule/displaySeries.php?seriesID=288&networkID=20 for prod. order for seasons 1-2. Thank you.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brandon J. Marcellus (talk • contribs) 02:40, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Toonzone.net is a fan site and, as such, is not a reliable source and can not be used as a reference. Reliable sources like TV Guide and MSN TV show no such episodes in the listings. The episode "Huffin Puffin" isn't even mentioned in the Toonzone table. The TV Guide listing actually identifies "The Red Squirrel" and "It's About Time" as the first episode of season two. In order for season two to start, season one has to end so arguing that the season one end date is not February 15, 2010 is pointless until such time as that is supported by reliable sources. --AussieLegend (talk) 07:38, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Separate season articles
I've just reverted a change that pointed to a separate article for season 1. At this point, separate season articles are really not warranted or appropriate. Presently, this article contains just under 63KB of readable prose which is well under the "probably should be divided" recommendation of WP:SIZERULE. However, the article contains far too many episode summaries that are far too large. By convention, episode summaries should only be 3-4 lines at most. There is a hint in that the table parameter is "ShortSummary" and not "DetailedSummary". If the episode summaries were pruned to a reasonable size, as I've previously pointed out they should be, the article would be a much more manageable 31.1KB, well inside WP:SIZERULE's "length alone does not justify division" rule. The article that was created at The Penguins of Madagascar (season 1) only served to duplicate the information here. No additional information was included, making it redundant. Having two articles with the same information in each is pointless and can lead to problems, especially when different people edit one of the articles and not the other. When this happens, as it always does, the episodes get out of sync and correcting the problem is a nightmare. It therefore should not exist, which is why I've redirected it. Before considering splitting this article the episode summaries need to be severely pruned and the readable prose should be approaching 100KB. --AussieLegend (talk) 07:32, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

TV Guide got it wrong
According to TV listings published on TV Guide’s website, two new episodes of “The Penguins of Madagascar” were supposed to debut on February 20 as the season premiere of the show’s second season. Unfortunately, their listings that the episodes (“The Red Squirrel” and “It’s About Time,” respectively) would air proved not accurate, as when I tuned-in to Nickelodeon to see these new premieres at their scheduled time of 10 a.m. Eastern Time, what was shown in their place was a re-airing of the “Dr. Blowhole’s Revenge” special. I have no Internet citation to back this up, but anyone who watched Nickelodeon at 10 a.m. Eastern on February 20 could authenticate this as having happened.

In light of the new episodes failing to air, I have removed their listing from the Season 2 list of episodes table. And since there were no new episodes to start a season, I have changed the start date of the second season from “February 20, 2010” to “TBA,” as it is now unknown when the premiere will actually occur.

Lastly, I’d just like to state that I believe that the credit of this inaccuracy belongs to TV Guide and TV Guide alone, as theirs is (at least at the exact time I write this) the only site claiming the airing of “The Red Squirrel” and “It’s About Time” on February 20 – the “Penguins of Madagascar” listings at MSN-TV do not even list these episodes at all. It is because these episodes are not listed there that I have removed them from the table for the time being. Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 05:53, 21 February 2010 (UTC)


 * For the record, it now appears as if TV Guide has corrected their error. At the time I write this, their website lists the upcoming episodes “The Red Squirrel” and “It’s About Time” as scheduled to premiere on Saturday, March 13. Additionally, they list these episodes as the start of the show’s second season. Hopefully, this will all prove true this time around. Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 04:57, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Column widths
I'm not sure what is meant by the edit summary for this edit. I only added the fixes yesterday, specifically because of the concerns expressed in the edit summary. The edit summary seems contradictory to the edit. Season 2, which still includes the fixes, doesn't suffer from the listed problems. --AussieLegend (talk) 06:19, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


 * The summary means, literally, exactly what I had indicated: The fields of some of the items are displaying with far greater extra space than is necessary, while the episode title field is not granted enough room to display the title of longer-titled episodes on one line.


 * Let me put it a different way and provide some measurement examples using an actual unit of physical measurement. Before I corrected the column widths, they had the following measurements (which I measured on my actual computer screen with a ruler):
 * Episode #: 1 7/8 of an inch
 * Season #: 1 7/8 of an inch
 * Title: 1 1/8 of an inch
 * Original U.S. airdate: 3 ¼ inches


 * This caused a great deal of extra space being displayed for the Episode #, Season #, and Original U.S. airdate fields, but not enough for several of the episode titles, causing them to display on two lines or more. For example, the “Gone in a Flash” episode displayed like this:


 * “Gone in a Flash”


 * Or the “Otter Things Have Happened” episode, which displayed this way:


 * “Otter Things Have Happened”


 * What is correct, however, is that there is no problem whatsoever with the display of the Season 2 table. Why this problem only affected the Season 1 table I haven’t a clue.


 * Anyway, I hope my explanation is helpful and answers any questions. Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 07:12, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


 * What you're seeing in season 1 is exactly the opposite of what you should be seeing. I've just checked on several PCs, using both IE (7&8) and Firefox, on my network as well as some computers outside here that I have remote access to, and I can't reproduce the effect that you're getting. I typically see what is in this image. The top of the image is what I was seeing before you removed the width tags and the bottom is what I'm seeing now. There is no reason that you should be seeing the same column widths in both seasons 1 and 2. The "width" field limits the width of the "Episode #", "Season #" and "Original U.S. airdate" columns, leaving what's left for the "Title" column. Because you've removed the "width" field you should be seeing what's in the bottom of my image with the "Episode #", "Season #" and "Original U.S. airdate" columns much wider than they need to be. As I've said, I've looked at several PCs (12 in all) and they're all the same. There's no way I can reduce the "Title" field to only 1 /18", unless I reduce the resolution to a ridiculously narrow width that nobody ever used. It seems the problems you have may be unique to your computer. --AussieLegend (talk) 08:37, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


 * This is all certainly strange, I’ll give you that. This image shows how I am seeing this revision of the article. Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 09:16, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Very strange. How does List of Arthur episodes look? --AussieLegend (talk) 09:32, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It’s the same type of situation, mainly. Here’s a look. Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 09:41, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Very peculiar. I don't really have an answer. --AussieLegend (talk) 09:42, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Season 2 now affected
Previously, this strange occurrence that had affected the way some of the fields of the Season 1 episode list table displayed, as described in detail above, did not affect the Season 2 table. Now, however, possibly due to the addition of longer summaries on the table for the “It’s About Time” and “The Red Squirrel” episodes, the same issue has popped-up on the Season 2 table. In light of this, I have removed the column width figures from the Season 2 table, which seems correct the issue. This is the same thing I had to do previously to fix the issue on Season 1. Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 06:17, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Season 2 unaired episodes
Just curious - if S02E03 and S02E04 haven't aired yet, how come they are available on various website to watch and download? Should some note be made about this? According to TV guide there is still no airings coming, so if they have not aired before the listed S02E05 (which at the moment HAS an air date), will the numbers be changed? 74.75.44.0 (talk) 12:50, 11 April 2010 (UTC)


 * The episodes you are referring to, “Kaboom and Kabust” and “The Helmet,” are included on the Season 2 episode list because their titles are listed on the website of a reliable source (specifically, MSN TV). Unfortunately, as has been the case on a few occasions with this source in the past as well as with TV Guide, the airdates they list are either incorrect entirely or have been changed by Nickelodeon and not updated. Because of their incorrect information, I think it’s quite sad when a “reliable” source itself has to be taken with a grain of salt.


 * The oddity in this situation is that “Kaboom and Kabust” and “The Helmet” (as well as an unlisted episode, “Huffin and Puffin”) have, despite having never aired on Nickelodeon yet, somehow leaked to the Internet. I know this for a fact, as I have myself watched the episodes in question, but out of respect to the show’s copyright holders I will not provide a URL to such. As for if it should be noted that these episodes have, in essence, “premiered” through Internet channels, I would have to say no, as we do not know (and in all likelihood will never know) exactly how such a leak (if there is in fact one) came to be. In other words, all we can do is speculate about how these episodes reached the Internet, and Wikipedia is not the place for speculation. As for episode numbering, if there officially airs an episode on Nickelodeon before “Kaboom and Kabust”/“The Helmet,” the numbering will be changed to reflect this. Episodes are/will be numbered in the order in which they air, regardless of how they may be listed at present.


 * It should also be noted that a few times there have been summaries posted for these unaired episodes on the Season 2 episode list. Whenever this occurs, I remove the summaries and state in the edit summary that such episodes have not yet officially aired. I believe that summaries for these episodes should only be added after they are aired officially on Nickelodeon, as the situation might constitute original research if done beforehand, as only a limited number of people with knowledge about these episodes would be able to verity the accuracy of the summaries. --Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 04:18, 12 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I think we should give some thought to adding an "unaired episodes" section. Clearly "Kaboom and Kabust", "The Helmet" and "Huffin and Puffin" exist so they should be listed but I don't think they should be in with the episodes that have aired, or are scheduled to air. We don't need to include "OriginalAirDate" and can lead the section with a clear explanation that these episodes haven't aired. --AussieLegend (talk) 04:11, 17 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I could support an “unaired” section. It would probably be beneficial, and eliminating the "OriginalAirDate" field would prevent users who probably do not watch the show with any regularity from adding in incorrect airdates. I also like the suggestion that the section lead with a sentence clearly stating that the episodes listed in it have not yet been scheduled to air (or, as I have seen numerous times, did not air as scheduled).


 * I do have one concern about this proposal, however, and it concerns episode summaries. As I have described above, I have removed expanded summaries on the “Kaboom and Kabust” and “The Helmet” episodes before simply because these episodes hadn’t yet aired on TV, though they have somehow made their way to YouTube. The accounts of the summaries were generally accurate (albeit of mediocre writing quality), but it is my opinion that full summaries should not be included until an episode airs on TV or through some other legitimate channel. If we were to allow one to essentially cite the YouTube video (directly or indirectly) of these episodes prior to their actual Nickelodeon airing, wouldn’t this be condoning the clear copyright infringement that is going on by these episodes being present on YouTube? Plus, only the few with knowledge that these episodes exist on YouTube would be able to verify the information contained in the summaries, not the larger community that would be able to following an actual episode airing.


 * That stated, I think that any summary that may be included on an episode in the proposed “unaired” section should be held to a strict limit of one to two sentences. Also, it is important to still make sure that any episode listed on this section still have a title listed by a reliable source, lest this section fall into abuse and misuse. Even if these reliable sources can’t always get airdates straight, we at least know that TV Guide and MSN TV aren’t going to wantonly fabricate a title. Any episode that may be listed in the unaired section without citation (or with an incorrect or fraudulent one) should be removed immediately. --Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 02:28, 18 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I share your concerns about the edit summaries. Citing YouTube would be WP:LINKVIO, so we can't do that. Verifiability says that content must be verifiable, not that it must be easily verifiable so, while those who don't know that the episodes are on YouTube (although who doesn't first look to YouTube these days?) are at a disadvantage, lack of a direct link is not outside verifiability requirements. We could, and probably should, point out that these episodes have been leaked to internet sites such as YouTube in the sction's lead. As far as I can see, that provides the ability to verify, without actually breaking WP:LINKVIO. --AussieLegend (talk) 06:22, 18 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Feel free to create such a section; we’ll just have to ensure it doesn’t fall into abuse.


 * I’ve also uncovered another unaired episode, “Field Tripped,” which can be seen in full on Nickelodeon’s website. Because it is on the website of the network and thus not a copyright-infringing link, I have linked the title to it. If an “unaired” section is created, this should probably be in it as well, although without the “leak” denotation. --Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 06:50, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Unaired episodes
Check out Wikia Episode Guide for a listing off all Season 1 episodes, plus all Season 2 episodes, plus rumored episodes. Every episode in season 1 & 2 includes links to view the episode on-line (where available).--User:Unknown 18 April 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.253.11.239 (talk) 21:54, 18 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia cannot accept content from another wiki as a reliable source. Additionally, unverified “rumored episodes” have no business on Wikipedia whatsoever. Verifiability is one of the key pillars of Wikipedia. --Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 03:59, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Another DVD?
A user today added another DVD to the DVD section, The Penguins of Madagascar: Operation: Penguin Takeover. I had heard of this DVD before, and from what I knew of it, it appeared to be the UK equivalent of the American The Penguins of Madagascar: Operation: DVD Premiere.

What threw me off about seeing this new addition on the article was that it was listed as being a Region 4 release and released on January 4, 2010 (which was before the American one). Skeptical of this, I Googled to see if I could verify any of the claims, and alas, found nearly nothing to support a Region 4 release.

Additionally, if you just search for “Operation: Penguin Takeover” by itself, Google’s top results are mainly for pirated downloads of the DVD or for stores selling it. Since I could not find any reliable source to cite this DVD to (Region 2, Region 4, or otherwise), I have removed it from the article. --Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 03:58, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


 * This actually appears to be a genuine DVD. I even found a competition to win a copy. It's obviously not Region 4, although there apparently was a video on the Australian Yahoo site, but it has been removed. I also found a reference on another site.|5968&filmid=9973&s=3&n=3 --AussieLegend (talk) 09:02, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


 * If you check out Amazon UK you can see that this is the UK release of The Penguins of Madagascar: Operation: DVD Premiere --99.253.11.239 (talk) 17:53, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Lost treasure of the Golden Squirrel
This episode was suppose to air on Nick today but didn't. It did however air on the Canadian network YTV and was a full 1/2 hour. --99.253.11.239 (talk) 17:55, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

New episodes this Saturday
http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/penguins-madagascar/tv-listings/296887 --99.253.11.239 (talk) 22:55, 9 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you. The new episodes have been added to the Season 2 section. --Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 04:10, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not convinced these episodes are actually correct. MSN shows two different new episodes, both on one on 19 July and one on 21 July. We, previously discussed TV Guide being inaccurate. --AussieLegend (talk) 06:50, 10 June 2010 (UTC)


 * June, not July. But anyway, MSN lists "Untitled" as an episode for Saturday, June 19. From my experience in going to that MSN page before, they often place "Untitled" when they just don't know the episode title yet. But the June 19 date is consistent with TV Guide, as well as there being a "NEW" episode identified by zap2it.com for the same day. With three sources claiming new premieres on June 19, I tend to believe there will be, even though only one has listed episode titles so far. --Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 07:05, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

New DVD's
and --99.253.11.239 (talk) 23:14, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * 1. Penguins of Madagascar: Happy King Julien Day (see here)
 * 2. Penguins of Madagascar: New to the zoo (see here)


 * Also see here and here —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.253.11.239 (talk) 10:17, 10 June 2010 (UTC)


 * WIkis are ot reliable sources. --AussieLegend (talk) 16:27, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Would Amazon and Walmart count as reliable sources?
 * -Grand Commander13 (talk) 23:19, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. --AussieLegend (talk) 00:42, 11 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Someone has already gone and made an article for these two DVDs, The Penguins of Madagascar: Happy King Julien Day! and The Penguins of Madagascar: New to the Zoo. Unfortunately, I had to redirect the Julien one to the main Penguins of Madagascar article because the article was made up almost entirely of content found on non-free websites, thus being a copyright violation. The other one is even worse, and has already been nominated for speedy deletion by another editor for not containing meaningful content, etc. Just figured I'd post this as a heads up. --Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 01:19, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

New Episodes -- Links on Nick
Lost Treasure of the Golden Squirrel: here and here

Mr. Tux: here

Operation Cooties: here

Concrete Jungle Survival: here

If you want to link these on the Article page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.253.11.239 (talk) 00:53, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

POM Marathon on Mon July 19th
See here 7/19/2010: The Lost Treasure of the Golden Squirrel 7/19/2010: Hello Dollface; Operation Cooties 7/19/2010: Mr. Tux; Concrete Jungle Survival --99.253.11.239 (talk) 23:25, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Unaired Episodes
1. Huffin & Puffin is actually a season 1 episode. It is unaired on NIck, but has aired on YTV TWICE!. This should be Unaired episode #1. 2. Command Crisis & Truth Ache are also season 1 and should be unaired episodes #2 & #3. 3. The Lost Treasure, is unaired on Nick, but aired on YTV on April 25, 2010 as scheduled as part of a PENGUIN DAY marathon. --99.253.11.239 (talk) 09:51, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you have citations from reliable sources for claims 1 & 2? --AussieLegend (talk) 09:55, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


 * For number 1 -- If you actually look at the HUFFIN & PUFFIN episode on Nick, you will see that the end credits include PENGUIN STAYS IN THE PICTURE. The original pairing should have been PEWUIN and HUFFIN. But for some reason it wasn't. --99.253.11.239 (talk) 23:48, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * For number 2 -- There are suppose to be 52 episodes in season 1 (or 26 half-hr slots). If you take the 47 listed, count Blowhole as 2 (since it was the full 1/2 hr), and add HUFFIN & PUFFIN, you come up with 50 (or 25 half0hour slots). That means that the other two are COMMAND CRISIS and TRUTH ACHE.--99.253.11.239 (talk) 23:48, 3 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but both of these constitute original research --AussieLegend (talk) 01:51, 4 May 2010 (UTC)


 * A reliable source has been found. Both THE PENGUIN STAYS IN THE PICTURE and HUFFIN AND PUFFIN are registered together as a season 1 episode. Right now HUFFIN AND PUFFIN is somewhat of a lost episode in the United States. When it airs, the season one end date will have to be changed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.173.198.97 (talk) 20:51, 16 July 2010 (UTC)


 * That link does not work. In any case, we order episodes by the season in which they air. If Huffin and Puffin is aired during season 2, it will be listed as a season 2 episode, not as an isolated season 1 episode. --AussieLegend (talk) 00:25, 17 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree with the above. It does not matter what season "Huffin and Puffin" was originally intended to be aired in, all that matters for the purpose of Wikipedia's episode list is what season the episode actually airs during (if it ever does air). Season 1 is over and has been since February; no new episodes can be added to a season which is now simply a part of history. --Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 03:04, 17 July 2010 (UTC)


 * there is an easy way to fix it but I Wouldn't do it since it is only one episode and just put it in season 2. if it was two or 3 episodes I would say go a head. All you would have to do is make a section called Episodes Delayed from Season 1 to Season 2 and just use the season 1 formate but I would not do this.Saylaveer (talk) 21:28, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

New July episode order may be changing
It is possible that the exact airdates for the new episodes coming next week may be (or may have already been) changed. According to the current TV Guide page here, Nickelodeon is going to blast out all five new episodes on July 19 instead of spreading them out over the course of five days. This contradicts with what I've gathered from multiple sources, including TV Guide, over the course of the past two weeks. I have not changed airdate listings on this article to reflect this new development, but I can say this: There will probably be no way to know for sure what the true airdates are until the episodes actually air. So regardless of what order the upcoming episodes are listed in now, they could very well change based on what Nickelodeon runs and when. --Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 04:43, 17 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree that the air dates should be left unchanged until the episodes air or a credible source notes the time changes. We must also keep in mind that Nick might even change what episodes they air. This playlist on Nick.com shows all the new episodes it will air, except instead of HELLO DOLLFACE, there is a clip for FIT TO PRINT. I suggest adding FIT TO PRINT to the Unaired Episode section until Nick's official schedule can be verified. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.173.198.97 (talk) 21:13, 17 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I would normally add "Fit to Print" to the unaired section, but due to all the confusion over episode scheduling lately, I'm going to personally hold off until Monday. Because if I add it to the unaired section now and it actually does air in place of one of the others on Monday, I'd then have to move one of those other episodes into the unaired section since it wouldn't have aired. I have, however, recorded the access information for the "Fit to Print" clip so that I can add it to the episode list soon even if the clip is removed from Nickelodeon – since I have accessed it and confirmed its existence on July 17, I'd be able to cite that as the access date if need be. The good news is that we will know for sure what the true episode order is on Monday; I will see to it that the order is 100 percent correct once Monday's episodes air. Even if they all air on Monday, the exact order may have to be adjusted – the episode that airs at 7:30 comes before the one aired at 7:45, after all. --Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 03:06, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Please note the following July 19 episodes have aired
The following episodes aired on Nickelodeon in this order on Monday, July 19, 2010. These episodes and their respective order can be attested to by anyone who watched the network on this date from 7 to 8:30 p.m. Eastern.


 * The Lost Treasure of the Golden Squirrel
 * Fit to Print
 * Operation: Cooties
 * Mr. Tux
 * Concrete Jungle Survival

In witness whereof I hereunto set my hand. --Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 03:57, 20 July 2010 (UTC)


 * If it was anybody else, I'd insist on a citation. :) --AussieLegend (talk) 04:04, 20 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, though I have added a citation to "Fit to Print" apparently while you were replying to this message. As for the "Hello, Dollface" episode, I will "cross my fingers" as well, but I have a feeling that it will have to be moved again to Unaired when it fails to air tomorrow. I will watch Nickelodeon at that scheduled time to find out for sure if it airs or not, however. We will know within 24 hours. --Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 04:33, 20 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, crossing our fingers did not work and "Hello, Dollface" did not air on Nickelodeon today, July 20. As I've said in similar situations of the past, the fact that "Hello, Dollface" did not air can be attested to by anyone who watched the network at the time the episode was scheduled for (8 p.m. Eastern). For the record, an episode of Family Matters aired at this time. As I write this, TV Guide's website is the only one still listing an incorrect airdate for "Hello, Dollface."


 * In light of this, I will in the next minute move "Hello, Dollface" back to the unaired section. We could leave it under Season 2 with "TBA" in the airdate field, but I figure since we have an unaired section, why not use it? --Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 02:43, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Concern with episodes on newly added DVD
I think it may be premature to add which episodes are going to come out on the newly added I Was a Penguin Zombie DVD when they're not all listed by reliable sources. Wal-Mart has listed the DVD, as has Amazon.com, so we know that it exists, but we do not yet know all the episodes it will contain. Wal-Mart lists the plots of some episodes (only three of the eight, however), while the only mention of what episodes will appear on the DVD on Amazon is a review written by a customer. This review cannot be considered a reliable source – anyone can write reviews regardless of product knowledge. Until a reliable source can identify what episodes the DVD will contain, I suggest not listing the speculative episodes. --Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 07:28, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You're absolutely correct. I didn't check the citations when I cleaned up the table but I have now. A customer review is not a reliable source so I've commented the episodes out until they can be confirmed. --AussieLegend (talk) 07:45, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * what about cover art for the DVD? See (http://madagascar.wikia.com/wiki/Penguins_of_Madagascar:_I_Was_a_Penguin_Zombie_%28DVD%29) --99.253.11.239 (talk) 22:46, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * In general, content from wikis is not regarded as reliable. This image has a watermark across it so it has been altered from the original. There is plenty of DVD cover art available on various sites that looks genuine but is not so this image can't be regarded as reliable. --AussieLegend (talk) 00:30, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Operation Cooties
When this episode aired, the end credits also listed "Driven To the Brink" which is apparently the first half of this episode. --99.253.11.239 (talk) 10:22, 20 July 2010 (UTC)


 * "Driven to the Brink" has been leaked to the internet, so this episode does exist, however I'm not sure if that is a valid source to add it to the Unaired Episode section. It's also worth noting that the description for the episode on the watermarked cover art for the new DVD mentioned below was accurate. --70.173.198.97 (talk) 00:22, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

New Episodes in September
http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/penguins-madagascar/episodes/296887
 * 4th: Stop Bugging Me/Field Tripped
 * 11th: Kaboom and Kabust/The Helmet

I suggest leaving the episodes in the unaired section until they do air, to avoid a repeat of what happened with "Hello, Dollface" due to Nick's erratic scheduling. 70.173.198.97 (talk) 22:58, 23 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you. And yes, I'd have to agree about leaving these four episodes under "Unaired" for the moment, though if Nickelodeon begins to run ads promoting these premieres, I might then be inclined to move them into Season 2 before they air. --Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 06:33, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


 * "Badger Pride" is now also listed to air on September 4th here and here 70.173.198.97 (talk) 01:18, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Nickelodeon has started airing an ad for the three new episodes on the 4th calling them "Celebraty Packed Premiers" because they each contain a Nickelodeon guest star. "Badger Pride" has Victoria Justice and Jennette McCurdy, "Field Tripped" has Nathan Kress, and "Stop Bugging Me" has Jerry Trainor. It's up to you to decide if that's enough to move the episodes over to Season 2 now or keep waiting until they air. 70.173.198.97 (talk) 09:31, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * While I will still continue to take Nickelodeon scheduling with a healthy dose of sodium chloride, I'm willing to move these episodes into the Season 2 list based on this commercial. And I will be doing so within the coming minutes. --Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 03:45, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Kaboom & Kabust / The Helmet will air on Sept 11th.
http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/penguins-madagascar/tv-listings/296887 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.253.11.239 (talk) 15:38, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Driven to the Brink - Who is Freddy
You have a note "Special guest star: Seth MacFarlane as Freddy the Driver". 1. Who is Freddy? 2. Seth is not listed in the credits for this episode. --99.253.11.239 (talk) 10:15, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Aprils Fools / Wishful Thinking
I know that, on it's own, another Wiki isn't a reliable source. However, I thought I'd just point out the entries for the above two episodes on http://madagascar.wikia.com. Both say "This episode aired in New Zealand on Nick NZ on Aug 19/10" and have plot descriptions. Would it be worth updating our page over here?

137.229.57.173 (talk) 21:51, 13 September 2010 (UTC)


 * "Wishful Thinking" is scheduled to air on October 2nd. It should be given a description and moved to the Season 2 section. 70.173.198.97 (talk) 05:36, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

shorten the plot please
Fopr a fiftenn min episode. the summaries are overly detailed. should be changed to 2 or 3 lines per episode. Gman 124 ( talk ) 20:33, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Gator Watch
What song doe the radio stop on when the penguins commandeer that guy's car? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.253.11.239 (talk) 18:21, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

New Episodes Oct 2/9
According to Zap2it, NIK will air Wishful Thinking (with a repeat of Fit to Print) on the 2nd, and will air "Hello, Dollface" (with an unknown episode) on the 9th.

--204.40.1.129 (talk) 17:22, 28 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Zap2it is now showing it will air with "April Fools". --99.253.11.239 (talk) 10:19, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Hello Dollface
Did NICK actually air it tonight? --99.253.11.239 (talk) 00:59, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes. NICK already aired it, So is Huffin and Puffin. NintendoFan11 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:06, 9 October 2010 (UTC).

Episode summaries too long
I would just like to say that the description for episodes are crazy. They are too long. Episode descriptions are supposed to give people a quick overview, not a whole summary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Legen1 (talk • contribs) 17:32, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You're quite correct. I've raised this matter previously but nobody seems to care. --AussieLegend (talk) 22:52, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Time to split?
At over 102,000 bytes, this episode list has become reasonably long. And so I pose this question: Is it time to split it into smaller, season-by-season articles?

At one point several months back, someone did create the article The Penguins of Madagascar (season 1), but it, as a simple copy/paste job of exactly what appeared on the Season 1 section of the main episode list article, was inappropriate at the time and was redirected. Now, however, since there are presently two seasons of the show, separate season articles are no longer redundant; we can easily create The Penguins of Madagascar (season 2) for the current season if we were to go with this idea.

Separate season articles, in addition to a main episode list, has been done for other shows, the most comparable probably being Nickelodeon's SpongeBob SquarePants (see main episode list, Season 1, Season 2, etc.) The main episode list simply has episode titles and a few other details, while the season articles have episode plot summaries with a reasonable amount of detail in them. While many summaries need a greater professional tone and/or a talented writer to pen them, this format seems to allow for greater tolerance with respect to summary length. This would thus preserve the craftsmanship of the better-written summaries that are here and yet not make this particular article too detailed.

These are just some thoughts. We certainly don't have to move to a season-by-season format here, but I figured I'd at least submit the idea to be pondered. --Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 05:23, 8 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Splitting the article doesn't resolve the long outstanding problem of the excessively long episode summaries. MOS:TV says that summaries should be 100-200 words, but that's based on typical hour-long episodes. These episodes are only a quarter of that, so 100 words should be more than adequate for 11 minute long episodes (episodes 1x01-1x12 average 97.75 words), but episodes 1x13-1x48 average 216.4 words per episode, which is far too long. Articles are normally split when there are several seasons, and maintenance is becoming difficult, or when there is sufficient extra, season specific content (production, casting, ratings etc) that justifies creation of separate articles. The latter isn't the case here; it all comes down to article size, which would be a lot smaller if we got the episode summaries in order. Splitting does have disadvantages for readers. It means they have to look through multiple articles for episode information, rather than just one article, so we should resist splitting until such time as it's absolutely necessary. WP:SIZERULE recommends that consideration be given to splitting articles once an article reaches 40-60kB of readable prose. Even using a very loose interpretation of the definition of readable prose, the amount of readable prose in a trimmed down version of this article is just under 40kB, which is just below WP:SIZERULE's "Length alone does not justify division/May need to be divided" boundary. When I redirected The Penguins of Madagascar (season 1), it was because it really wasn't large enough to split out. That's still the case. Regardless, we still need to get the summaries trimmed to a reasonable size. They're supposed to be short, hence the field name of "ShortSummary". They're not supposed to be a blow-by-blow account of everything that happens in the episode as most are now. --AussieLegend (talk) 07:37, 8 August 2010 (UTC)


 * All Season 2 summaries except "The Red Squirrel" and "It's About Time" are currently of my general composition. Compared to many summaries of Season 1, I think I've done a lot better in respect to length. Still, even I would have trouble keeping summaries to a 100-word limit. I understand and respect the goal of trying to keep things succinct, but it's often tough to balance brevity with quality. True as it may be that summaries such as the one on "Gone in a Flash" are far shorter, the quality of the words which form it is mighty substandard in my humble view.


 * I still personally lean towards the split proposal; in fact, I was involved in a brief discussion on my talk page back in May in which such a suggested split was also endorsed by another user. Still, if splitting this article is not appropriate for the time being, then it obviously should not be done.


 * I will continue to try to keep any new summaries I submit as short as I can, but (as Marlene might say) I'm not a miracle worker. --Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 08:23, 8 August 2010 (UTC)


 * It's been two months now and the article has only gotten longer with new episodes and DVDs being released. Either it's time to split this article into seasons, start shortening the summaries, or both. --70.173.198.97 (talk) 19:13, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * My fear with this article is that if it is split, there will be less incentive to prune the episode summaries to a reasonable size. They really need to be pruned ASAP. If that can be done, there will be no need to split. I can see that I'm going to have to watch them all again and do it myself since requests to keep summaries short have fallen on deaf ears for over a year now. --AussieLegend (talk) 22:04, 9 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd be willing to help out if some specifics were laid out. 100 word count per episode summary seems to be the agreed length, but as for the summary itself, should it be a general overview of the episode, or a shortened recap of the whole thing? --70.173.198.97 (talk) 22:48, 9 October 2010 (UTC)


 * There's no real requirement, it just has to be a summary of the episode, but not a detailed, blow-by-blow account. A general overview of the episode, capturing the most relevant points is probably a good way to start. It doesn't matter if you go under or slightly over 100 words, it will all even out in the end. I think episodes 1-12 are pretty reasonable examples of what we should be aiming for. --AussieLegend (talk) 01:30, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Just out of curiosity, why would |something like this type of season-specific list not be appropriate for The Penguins of Madagascar as well? I've mentioned this particular example before, but I never really got a direct answer regarding it specifically. Aside from needing better writers to craft the prose and needing some minor pruning on a handful of summaries, I think some variation of this type of season-specific list could work here as well. In fact, the above-linked SpongeBob season article is rated as B-class by WikiProject Nickelodeon. But if it is truly inappropriate for such long summaries even on that SpongeBob article, shouldn't it be tagged with Plot like this Penguins list is? What works over there either works for both articles or neither article; Wikipedia shouldn't have double standards. --Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 07:28, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


 * The format used by SpongeBob SquarePants (season 1) is an extremely unusual format, which is probably why it's only B-class. Disney and Nick article reviewers tend to be a bit too generous so B-class is probably a bit higher than it should be. The plot summaries are too long so it should be tagged, but these sorts of programs often get away with more than programs with a more adult viewer demographic. Most articles use a format similar to Smallville (season 1), which is a featured article, and is the level to which all articles should aspire. You'll notice that the episode summaries are a lot shorter than here or at SpongeBob. In act, they're about the length of episodes 1-12 here. --AussieLegend (talk) 08:12, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


 * You're right: The SpongeBob list is unusual, and most shows do use a more mainstream way of listing their episodes. I think I'm going to tag it myself. As for this article, I suppose one of the biggest problems is that summaries that were too long were never pruned early on in the process, thus making long summaries the accepted standard around here. I try to not be too extreme myself, but I once wrote and had published in a newspaper's editorial page an 82-word sentence, I kid you not. I don't know if I have the heart to halve the numerous summaries I've contributed myself, but I think I can at least help to trim down many of the others to a Smallville-type length, though it will take some time. Summaries like "Miss Understanding" (373 words) and "Monkey Love" (423 words) might be the best candidates to be trimmed down first. Also, quality is still a concern of mine. Episodes 1-12 might have short summaries, but I'd probably incorporate rewriting them into the whole Operation: Summary campaign for increased professionalism. Many people who edit this article are just fans, not writers. I just happen to be both. --Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 08:53, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Add in Production Code Numbers?
I agree with the earlier discussion that episodes should be listed by airdate and it should stay that way. I also believe that the episodes' production numbers should also be added back on. The U.S. Copyright Office lists episodes as either 1xx for season 1 or 2xx for season 2, with the first episode being "a" and the second "b". The U.S. Copyright Office is a credible source, so the production codes cannot be disputed. The production codes would be a contribution to the article as it gives people the option of knowing what the original production order was and clears up some continuity errors. "Command Crisis" has yet to air on television, and when it does it will be given a season 2 listing. It's actually a season 1 episode as it involves the building of the new petting zoo. "In the Line of Doody" and "Can't Touch This" have already aired, both showing the petting zoo completed. This will create a discontinuity. "Hard Boiled Eggy" also shows a flashback to "Paternal Egg-Stinct" where Kowalski explains each trait Eggy picked up from them. The one showing Rico was actually a scene from "Kaboom and Kabust", an episode with an earlier production code but with a later air date, leaving the impression Eggy picked up Rico's trait from the future. Other articles are listed by airdate with the production code given, such as Phineas and Ferb and iCarly. 131.216.48.254 (talk) 20:54, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I've looked at the citation that was added with this edit and I don't see anything confirming that the numbers added are actually production codes. Nor do I see anything confirming "the first episode being "a" and the second "b"". This appears to be a case of WP:SYNTH. --AussieLegend (talk) 22:44, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I've noticed that all of Nick's currently running shows (with the except of Planet Sheen and TUFF Puppy, since they just premiered) have production codes listed in their wikipedia articles. What source are they getting it from and can we use it for this article too? I know Toonzone has production numbers they claim they get from the network, but I'm not sure if sourcing them is allowed. I'm pretty sure production codes have the first number represent the season, and the last two the episode number, so #202 would be season 2 episode two for example. I looked over the Toonzone list and the US Copyright list order and they're identical except for whether "Gone in a Flash" is 101A or 101B. For the "A" and "B" thing, I think whatever comes first automatically gets "A" and the second one "B". I hope we can get some confirmation on this. --70.173.198.97 (talk) 01:08, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Toonzone is a fansite and doesn't qualify as a reliable source. Many Nick/Disney articles use stuff they've lifted from tv.com, which is also not a reliable source, and often wrong, having been based on fan supplied information. Production numbers and production codes are not the same thing. The latter have an alphanumeric format, not pure numeric like the numbers used in this article. Production codes aren't always used and adding "A" or "B" to a production or episode number is original research. --AussieLegend (talk) 07:53, 8 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Copyright.gov does not designate "A" or "B" on the production codes they are listing as Eps.#. Being that it is original research to speculate on this, I am going to remove the "A" and "B" designations on the article right now. --Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 08:19, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Huffin & Puffin
This is a first season episode. Why is it listed in Season 2? Shouldn't it be listed in Season 1? --99.253.11.239 (talk) 18:46, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


 * It was aired during season 2 so by default it's a season 2 episode. If Nick had shown it before season 1 officially ended, it would be a season 1 episode. Because of Nick's scheduling, "Huffin and Puffin", "Command Crisis", and "Truth Ache" will be listed as season 2 episodes. If an official season 1 DVD box set is ever released that includes these three episodes, then you can argue to have them moved to season 1. --70.173.198.97 (talk) 01:40, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Command Crisis & Truth Ache
These episodes have aired numerous times on YTV in Canada. Have they aired on NIK yet? --99.253.11.239 (talk) 18:50, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


 * No, not yet. Once they have aired in the United States, they'll be moved to season 2 as explained above. --70.173.198.97 (talk) 01:40, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Nick is having another scheduling conflict. Both msn and zap2it  list Command Crisis/Truth Ache as airing on Saturday November 27 while TVGuide still lists Alienated/The Otter Woman. 70.173.198.97 (talk) 05:08, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

The All Nighter Before Christmas
Everything I've read lists this as a CHRISTMAS SPECIAL (Like Merry Madagascar) not an episode of the series. Are you sure it is going to be classified as a 2nd season episode and not a special? --99.253.11.239 (talk) 23:08, 24 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Merry Madagascar was a "special" when it aired on NBC because it was a one-shot with no television series already associated with it. "The All Nighter Before Christmas," however, is only considered a "special" because it will be a double-length episode of The Penguins of Madagascar, as were "Dr. Blowhole's Revenge" and "The Lost Treasure of the Golden Squirrel." Nothing marks it as a non-episode; it is even listed by MSN and TV Guide in the same exact fashion as any other episode. If it weren't an official episode, it would not be listed on these Penguins of Madagascar pages. --Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 06:48, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Episode description question
Aussie, Blue... How long is an "ideal" length for these episode descriptions? I'm tempted to sit down and start shortening some of them for you... 137.229.57.168 (talk) 00:42, 4 December 2010 (UTC)


 * "Ideal" for our purposes would be around 100 words. Hitting that number dead-on probably isn't likely, so I'd try for a range of between 90 and 110. Personally, I have already begun creating ± 100-word summaries for several episodes – I'm trying to do one per day – but I'm only going to add them in batches of five or 10 because I just don't want to have to unnecessarily edit the page every day. --Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 02:31, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Uncited production codes
Many times now, I have had to revert the additions of uncited production codes from the tables, most recently this one. This is despite a hidden text message warning users that uncited production codes, or codes which do not match up with a particular episode's title, will be reverted.

The cited source of the production codes is the U.S. Copyright Office at this URL. Nowhere among their current listings are the episode titles of which I have reverted the most recently added production codes. There are a few untitled listings among the Copyright Office's listings, for which only production codes are listed with no episode title associated with it, but to allege that one of these untitled listings is a particular episode is blatant original research.

The source of other alleged production codes, such as those recently added for "The Officer X Factor" and "Love Hurts," I can only imagine the source and validity of. If the source is Toonzone, that is not considered a reliable source. If the source is the Madagascar Wiki, that definitely cannot be considered a reliable source. If the source is the pure imaginative concoction of those who purport them to be true, heaven help us.

Somehow, I long thought that adding production codes to the tables would be a headache. So far, I seem to have predicted the future quite well. Hey, if I'm that good, maybe I should buy some Powerball tickets. --Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 08:27, 2 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll ask the obvious question then. Why do we need production codes? --AussieLegend (talk) 09:57, 2 February 2011 (UTC)


 * We don't. They were first added in October by an IP; I've only been trying to make sure they match the cited source since then. I have no objection to removing them completely. They're just not worth the hassle. --Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 10:14, 2 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Since they have no encyclopaedic value I've reduced the size of the article by 5.4kB. --AussieLegend (talk) 11:13, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Last minute scheduling change
Nickelodeon's schedule is uncertain for Saturday, February 26. Nick has a clip for "Danger Wears a Cape" on its website but TV Guide is now showing that "Brain Drain/Right Hand Man" will air, and so do MSNTV and Zap2it but in the reversed order. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Axelfar (talk • contribs) 03:57, 25 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I actually noticed this yesterday myself, but thought it best not to take any action on the article until after witnessing whichever episodes actually aired. My Dish Network satellite guide states that "Danger Wears a Cape" and "Operation: Break-Speare" will be the episodes airing Saturday, but there's really no way to know for sure until 10:30 a.m. --Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 05:17, 25 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I probably don't really have to say this since a citation exists, but I can confirm that "Brain Drain" and "Right Hand Man" were the two episodes that Nickelodeon aired this morning, February 26. --Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 04:36, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Splitting the article revisited
Although I think, with some effort, the episode summaries could still be pruned a bit more, I think it might be time to revisit the splitting option, as the article size seems to be climbing regardless. It's not a necessity, but it's worth discussing, even if we don't proceed. --AussieLegend (talk) 06:00, 27 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Many months ago, I started rewriting episode summaries, trying to both shorten things a bit and ensure that quality writing was represented. Other duties and responsibilities have kept me from getting all these rewrites done as soon as I would have wished, but I still intend to shorten/rewrite summaries for the 47 episodes I haven't yet touched on my "Operation: Summary" project.


 * Even with additional pruning, however, there will continue to be new episodes for the foreseeable future, and with each new episode comes 100-something words of summary text, usually written by me, and the added bytes that go along with it. Any shortening I may do to already existing summaries will likely be offset by the text added once the 12 episodes in the "unaired" section debut and have summaries added for them. I've long been a supporter of splitting this list into seasons, and as I've mentioned before, I'm not the only one who has ever supported the idea. Despite any other actions we may take, separate season articles seem the only likely way to truly reduce the kB on the long-term. Feel free to commence the split anytime. --Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 08:12, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. --AussieLegend (talk) 09:54, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Good work. --Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 10:32, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Unaired Removed?
Why were they removed? --99.253.11.239 (talk) 00:36, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
 * An IP, who is now blocked temporarily because of it, has been doing this. --AussieLegend (talk) 10:31, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Pairing episodes makes no sense

 * The following refers to the numbering system used in this version of the article. --AussieLegend (talk) 01:20, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Pairing episodes, ie numbering episodes as 1a,1b,2a,2b,3a,3c etc, makes no sense. It is confusing, misleading and, has has been done in  these edits, wrong. These are not 2 part episodes, as is implied by the xa,xb numbering, they are two, generally unrelated, 12 minute episodes aired directly after each other that, along with ads, make up a standard 30 minute block. That these are not related episodes is confirmed by examination of the airing schedule, which shows that episodes that have been paired together are paired with different episodes on different dates. The numbering currently assigned to the episodes makes little sense, even if you do like pairing, because episodes aired on different dates have been paired and episodes that aired on the same day are paired in a sequence different to the airing sequence: You'll see that in the list above I've bolded the pairs that are actually correct (there are only 3!) but you will note that 3a and 3b aren't paired correctly until after 4a and 4b have aired, and 5a,5b,6a and 6b are never paired correctly.
 * November 28, 2008 - 1a
 * unspecified date (tentatively February 6, 2009) - 1b
 * March 28, 2009 - 2a,2b
 * March 30, 2009 - 3a,2a
 * March 31, 2009 - 3b,3a
 * April 1, 2009 - 3b,2a then 4a,3b
 * April 2, 2009 - 4b,4a
 * April 3, 2009 - 4a,1a then 4a,4b
 * April 4, 2009 - 3a,3b
 * April 6, 2009 - 5a,4b
 * April 7, 2009 - 5b,5a
 * April 8, 2009 - 6a,5b
 * April 9, 2009 - 6b,6a
 * April 18, 2009 - 7a,7b

The convention, and a much less confusing method, is to number episodes numerically, based on the date that they first aired, which is how it was after I cleaned up the article earlier today. I intend reverting the changes that added the confusing a,b numbering, to avoid this confusion, remove the chance to mislead the reader, make the article more accurate and to provide consistency with other episode lists. Unless there is a really, really good reason for reintroducing this confusing system, it shouldn't be reinstated. --AussieLegend (talk) 02:05, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Then explain why the SpongeBob season articles are like that. P.S. I Rock Wikipedia! (talk) 11:58, 8 April 2009 (UTC)DJ WikiBob


 * I actually agree with AussieLegend. The episode numbering should not be 1a, 1b, etc. It should follow the regular numbering like 1, 2, 3, etc. also by looking at spongebob episodes for example SpongeBob SquarePants (season 1), you will see that they number the episodes with a's and b's because those aired on the same day. that's not the case with the Penguins. Mostly, they air one 15 min episode and then show one that's already been aired. And how would you say which episode is a or b, if you follow that. As an example on Monday apr 4, they showed Penguiner Takes All and after that they showed Assault and Batteries, however earlier that they they showed Assault of Batteries with another episode. So I really don't see how you would pair up the episodes. So the episodes should be number the normal way, without the a's and b's. Gman 124 talk 12:55, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The Spongebob articles are just one example. Look at List of iCarly episodes, List of NCIS episodes, List of The Suite Life on Deck episodes, List of The Suite Life of Zack & Cody episodes, List of Daria episodes, List of Hannah Montana episodes (Season 1), List of Hannah Montana episodes (Season 2) and List of Hannah Montana episodes (Season 3), just to pick a few. You'll also note that these articles use the Episode list template, giving them a much more professional appearance. Episode pairing works for spongebob because the pairing is consistent. Here it's incredibly confusing. --AussieLegend (talk) 06:11, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

You could pair them but have different airdates like Chowder or Fairly Odd Parents episodes were orginized.

I completely disagree, as an episode on television is a thirty minute block and I have *yet* to see them air a thirty minute block except with the same two "segments" always in the same episodes in the same order. If you feel that numbering "half-episodes" seperately has value, both numbers should be included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.53.57.11 (talk) 19:16, 18 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Where is it decreed that an episode is 30 minutes long? How do you account for hour long episodes in programs such as Stargate Universe, House, Castle, Bones, Lost etc? I assume by your comments that you haven't seen "Dr. Blowhole's Revenge". That actually was a single 30 minute episode, not paired with any other episode. As for your comment on pairing, you are most certainly incorrect. Episodes are not always paired with the same episodes, as demonstrated by the first post in this discussion. Episode "2a", for example, was paired with episodes 2b, 3a and 3b in both the first and second episode position within a few days of its initial airing and episodes continue to be paired with different episodes to the present time. --AussieLegend (talk) 00:44, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Episode summary length continued
Just a reminder to everyone that the episode summaries are supposed to be, as the field name "ShortSummary" implies, a short summary of the episode. They should not be, as many are now, a detailed summary of the plot. Some of the lengths are quite ridiculously long. Ideally they should be no more than 3-4 lines. Many featured articles don't even include summaries. The first 12 episodes are examples of the longest that the remainder should be. Episode 13 onwards need some serious pruning. --AussieLegend (talk) 07:46, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

When the Chips are Down/Operation Good Deed
Having seen Blue's comment for the change of the summary of the Otte Woman (something like "aired on a foreign network and I've seen it"), I just wanted to know whether an episode being available on YouTube is a reliable source to add in a summary. The above episodes are both online in full, and supposedly have already aired on American Forces Network, according to the fan wiki (I know this isn't a reliable source). If I'm good to add in a summary, should it be a one line summary like for the other unaided episodes, or can it be a more in depth summary like a normal episode?

166.205.143.243 (talk) 13:48, 26 June 2011 (UTC)


 * The problem with citing YouTube as a source is that the user who uploaded "The Otter Woman" there is violating copyright. I'd give it only a few weeks before Viacom catches up and has the video removed. I do not support copyright infringement, but I'm not going to pretend that the episode doesn't exist and let an inaccurate summary stand when I have the ability to correct it. Citing YouTube directly would be a violation of Wikipedia's WP:LINKVIO policy. While I did indeed state that I had seen the episode on YouTube, I did not and would not provide the address of where I saw it. A similar discussion about YouTube as it relates to unaired episode sourcing can be found at Talk:List of The Penguins of Madagascar episodes/Archive 1.


 * My personal opinion would be to proceed only with a sentence-long summary for now and wait for these episodes to air before anything more substantial is added. Having seen them, I could easily add full summaries for four of the unaired episodes tonight, though I resist because the source of my information is not legitimate. It's ultimately a balance between being a fan and my conscience, between Wikipedia's policies and my reporter/writer instincts.


 * I hope I made some sense. Though I know its definition, being succinct is often not one of my strengths. --Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 07:42, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Two non-episodes removed
I'm disappointed because their titles sounded like they'd be fun episodes, but it turns out that "Halloweenies" and "Skipper's Nightmare" are not going to be actual series episodes. Though they are registered with the U.S. Copyright Office, the code assigned to them identifies both as non-episode works, according to information provided by executive producer Bob Schooley via his Twitter account on September 2: "Hint for episode number analysts, if it starts with 8, it's for a 30 second short or other non-episode format. Example - "'Halloweenies.'" (See post.) I'm trusting the executive's gem of information, and have removed the two "episodes" from the unaired list accordingly. --Sgt. R.K. Blue (talk) 09:27, 3 September 2011 (UTC)