Talk:List of The X Factor finalists (British series 6)/Archive 1

Semi-protect
Think this article needs to be locked so only registered users can edit it... there's been a LOT of vandalism AndyB (talk) 13:57, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Judges' comments
Do we need to include comments the judges gave on the contestants each week? I don't think so. Any thoughts? AnemoneProjectors (talk) 12:40, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Editing of contributions
Why, oh why, is there no option for editing this page and contributing new information to the content of this page??Barmispain (talk) 10:29, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The page is currently semi-protected due to vandalism, so non-logged-in users and new user accounts cannot edit it. You can edit the page once your account is four days old. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 18:18, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

"Jedward"?
I think the nickname should be mentioned, at least in passing: I don't even watch the programme, and I've noticed it being used frequently in the press. 86.136.252.24 (talk) 21:02, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅ AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:12, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Fix claims
Should we have an article about all the press talking about how the show is fixed, and about the negatividy surrounding Lucie Jones leaving the show? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.26.230.45 (talk) 16:55, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * If reliable sources can be provided, it should be included, not on this page, but on Controversy and criticism of The X Factor (UK) and the appropriate section of The X Factor (UK series 6). AnemoneProjectors (talk) 18:06, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Citation needed
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Noted this under Jamie Archer's information: -"During the judges' comments after his performance on the fourth live show, Walsh called him "a Lenny Kravitz impersonater".[citation needed]

Isn't it easier to just insert exactly that information from the beginning of the sentence as the source for the citation instead of complaining about lack of citation? The citation itself is correct.

The exact words from judge Louis Walsh after the performance (X Factor Live show 4) were: -"Jamie It was a great performance, but Like I said on the VT there's nothing original about you. I mean, there are a hundred guys singing what you do in pubs tonight. You are like a Lenny Kravitz impersonator." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkman74 (talk • contribs) 10:01, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Stacey Solomon website
http://www.stacey-solomon-music.com

How can I include Stacey's website as an external link in this article?


 * You can't, because it's not hers. It's a fansite. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:34, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism !
There have been ~10 vandalism edits (and then reverts) in the past few hours. This page needed to be protected. Sorry, I'm a newbie and don't know how, but this is really ridiculous. Logical Fuzz (talk) 20:33, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅. Protection only expired a few hours ago. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 20:41, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Just so you know, protection can only be done by an administrator. Luckily for you, I am one. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 20:43, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, unbelievable! Thanks for re-protecting. And thanks for the info about protecting being for admins only.  This is how us newbies learn!Logical Fuzz (talk) 20:48, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Jedward
A user is repeatedly reverting the article without discussion. It needs to be discussed! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.45.197.89 (talk) 22:55, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

John and Edward - independent notability?
Jedward (plus John and Edward, John & Edward, John and edward, John & edward) are currently alternating between independent articles and redirects to this page. Discussion is the correct way to resolve this. Note that AfD is not an ideal way forward (although proposed in some edit summaries) if the choice is between independent article and redirect (although that is sometimes done). I42 (talk) 22:57, 15 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Redirect to here. J&E are part of the show that is the X Factor. Their notability is not yet independent and we cannot assume it will become so. If they gain independent notability then of course there will be an independent article. I42 (talk) 22:57, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep, clearly notable, see political comments, influncing of celebrities, fans storming Simon Cowell's office, all the discussion in the media. Please read the article. Passes General notability guideline by miles. --86.45.197.89 (talk) 23:01, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The article is visible in the history of Jedward which is repeatedly being redirected by those who can't read. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.45.197.89 (talk) 23:06, 15 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Restore Jedward content to here, Jedward should not have their own article yet and Jedward would be an inappropriate name anyway as it was given by the press and they still refer to themselves as John and Edward.(Lil-unique1 (talk) 23:17, 15 November 2009 (UTC))


 * As discussion started here did not stop the edit warring I have taken this to AfD after all. I42 (talk) 15:00, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Another article was at John and Edward Grimes, which I had previously missed. I42 (talk) 18:37, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Joe McElderry
An independent article for Joe McElderry is currently at AfD. I42 (talk) 20:11, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Performances outside of X Factor
Would it be necessary to note down contestants' performances outside of the X Factor (e.g. if they switched on Christmas lights at a certain place, if they performed live at a certain place, if they had been in a band before going on the show, etc.)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.172.247.36 (talk) 14:50, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * It depends on how trivial it is. Switching on Christmas lights is trivial, but maybe being in a band is not. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 14:58, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Edits needed
This page does not allow me to edit it and fix so many mistakes. There is a line called - At the end of the peformance the audience started chanting the name Jedward, possibly showing that they're now on the twins' side. Please remove the end of the sentence bit after after the coma because it is opinion. There are some links to Calvin Harris' incident to be added too to prove it happened. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.45.197.89 (talk) 18:24, 15 November 2009 (UTC) Please add in: Jamie Archer's birthday is 26 July (the year is already given).(halloweenbabe) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Halloweenbabe (talk • contribs) 14:53, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Joe McElderry sources
Can someone update the sources of the last two paragraphs of his section? You can find them here http://xfactor.itv.com/2009/episodes/news/item_100252.htm and here http://xfactor.itv.com/2009/episodes/news/item_100272.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robertoide92 (talk • contribs) 18:07, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Lloyd Daniels fan site link
Could someone add Lloyd Daniels fan site link to external links section? http://lloyddaniels.info
 * No. It doesn't look professional and therefore fails WP:EL and if it is official the creator wouldn't appreciate us brining attention to such an attrocity.  raseaC talk to me 23:47, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

ELs
In light of the above post I would argue that the Danyl Johnson external link should be removed because there is no way to verify that it is written by a recognised autority, there appears to be little material on there not covered by the article and users not running Flash may not be able to view it. Any objection to removal?  raseaC talk to me 23:53, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Kandy Rain
Kandy Rain NEVER met at a strip club, they met at a girl band audition. This is a factual error on this locked article and needs to be corrected. Someone in charge please correct it. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xkandyx (talk • contribs) 00:16, 20 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Do you have a reliable source that confirms they didn't meet at a strip club? It's been well publicised that they did. They even talked about it on the show, didn't they? AnemoneProjectors (talk) 14:38, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Kandy Rain NEVER said on X Factor they met at a strip club as they NEVER met that way, and lots of well publicised stuff in the newspapers is utter garbage as is this story. Yes I do have a reliable source, I am their friend and one of the members of the group asked me to change this lie as it's disgusting when incompetent people write rubbish on others and get facts wrong.

Here are links to explain how they really met, direct from Kandy Rain:

http://entertainment.stv.tv/tv/129257-kandy-rain-deny-meeting-in-a-strip-club/

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/xfactor/news/a181160/kandy-rain-we-didnt-meet-at-strip-club.html

AND HERE IS A VIDEO INTERVIEW OF KANDY RAIN CLEARLY STATING THEY NEVER MET AT A STRIP CLUB:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/xfactor/news/a181155/interview-kandy-rain-john--edward.html

PLEASE AMMEND YOUR ARTICLE ON KANDY RAIN AND REMOVE THE LIES. THANKS.

Again you have written incorrect information regarding Kandy Rain's statements.

The sentence "despite having said they intended to move away from their pasts" IS INCORRECT as Kandy Rain had already moved away from their past job before performing on X Factor but they have NEVER claimed to move away from their look and style which they have stated as risky; please see following links:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2009/10/12/x-factor-kandy-rain-s-performances-were-to-get-more-sexy-115875-21742400/

http://www.unrealitytv.co.uk/x-factor/x-factor-interview-kandy-rain/

Kandy Rain's styling and performance has NOTHING to do with their past jobs which they moved on from, Kandy Rain do not strip on stage in stripper gowns, they sing and perform on stage in provocative stage outfits as do many other artists; implying they are strippers on stage due to their choice of look and style on the basis of Cheryl and Dannii's comments is defamation; Cheryl and Dannii are entitled to their (hypocritical) opinions but writing on the official wikipedia X Factor page "despite having said they intended to move away from their pasts" is implying their choice of look and style means they are still working their past jobs when they are not.

PLEASE RE-WORD THE DEFAMATORY ARTICLE ON KANDY RAIN.


 * There is nothing defamatory about them in the article. I removed the strip club line yesterday. Have another look and you will see that it is not there. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 15:02, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Please re-word the sentence "despite having said they intended to move away from their pasts" or Kandy Rain have said they will take you to court over it. The sentence implies the band's style and look means they are still working their past jobs when they are not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.192.241.130 (talk) 18:07, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Please don't make legal threats. RaseaC (talk) 13:33, 26 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Indeed. 90.192.241.130, if you are acting on behalf of Kandy Rain in a legal capacity, please forward your concerns to the Wikimedia Foundation and let us know when you have done so, so we can block your account from editing per WP:LEGAL until the issues are resolved. If you aren't, please stop ranting and making threats... or we'll block your account from editing per WP:DISRUPT. EyeSerene talk 13:40, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

There is no need to be rude and discriminately make threats of blocking accounts due to your factual errors. I Was not "ranting and raving", it was at Kandy Rain's request to ammend the incorrect facts written about them. When public websites write about anyone in a factual manner they must be sure to get facts right. Thank you for amending the article and hopefully all locked articles on wikipedia in future will be written containing truthful facts rather than hearsay, and any errors are ammended by you with kindness rather than rudeness. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.201.131.87 (talk) 23:21, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * When a legal threat is made we do not make blocking threats, we make blocking promises the difference being threats are usually hollow (such as the threat to take legal action against WP) whereas our promises to block those making legal threats are always acted upon.  raseaC talk to me 23:25, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Lucie Jones
An independent article for Lucie Jones is currently at AfD. Per AnemoneProjectors above, suggesting whether contestants are notable if they have appeared in events that have been featured in the press, this article does a similar thing, which is why it should be kept. Hassaan19 (talk) 09:15, 29 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Support Lucie Jones independent article - the reason is, she is independently notable now, and was hugely on the show, and is now very popular well known both due to the X-Factor's huge viewing figures, and her work in her local area playing in pubs and clubs. Whitebrightlight (talk) 10:26, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The place to comment was the AfD, which has now closed. I42 (talk) 20:58, 8 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Should the redirect be reverted? - I agree with Whitebrightlight (talk) above, she is independently notable now. The AfD result is redirect, because the most votes were redirects. However, my only question is can we revert this redirect, and improve it, because lots of other users have complimented the article, saying it is 'well written' and could be 'one of the biggest articles on Wikipedia'. Hassaan19 (talk) 19:49, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Independent pages for Jamie Archer & Rikki Loney
I have created articles on Rikki Loney and Jamie Archer, both which have been redirected. Jamie is currently developing his career outside of The X Factor, performing gigs around the UK and appearing at televised music events, such as T4 Stars Of 2009. Not sure about Rikki, he left the show in week 2, which is pretty early. Not sure what he is doing now, but according to a reference in the article, it says he is having a 'possible record deal meeting' this month (see this news article). However I am not fully sure whether that is notable enough. Rikki finished in 11th place, Jamie in 7th place. Jamie will go on the X Factor Tour next year, though Rikki won't. Jamie has performed with a band called Jalexis 11 before the show. I have realised that taking the article to AfD even though I created it was a silly idea. Please tell me what your opinion is; It would be either Keep or Send to Deletion, and give a reason. Hassaan19 (talk) 19:29, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Asking people to !vote "keep" or "send to AFD" is NOT how it works. Neither of them are notable outside of the show and they should remain as redirects. Update THIS article with the new information! It is why this list exists!!!! AnemoneProjectors (talk) 15:24, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Recreation of Lloyd Daniels article
I previously created an article on Lloyd called Lloyd Daniels (singer). Apparently, like Joe McElderry and Jamie Archer, I took the article to AfD myself. According to  Articles for deletion/Lloyd Daniels (singer), the result was redirect to List of The X Factor finalists (UK series 6), deleting and then recreating as redirect. He finished in 5th place, which is OK for a 16-year-old. He is performing gigs in Wales with Danyl Johnson. Please give your opinion on whether I should recreate the article after the series (It is currently protected now) or not. It's either a yes vote or a no vote, and give a reason. Hassaan19 (talk) 20:03, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I would suggest Hassaan that you drop this for now. You've already been in hot water for ignoring the results of AFDs so regardless of the merits (or otherwise) of creating the article perhaps you are not the best person to do it? In respect of the requested yes/no, I say No as there is still no notability independent of the X-Factor. Nancy  talk  20:41, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * No independent notability and so no justification for a stand-alone article. Your behaviour is certainly beginning to be disruptive now.  raseaC talk to me 22:05, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Still no independent notability. Hassaan19, I will ask you again to STOP making these requests and update THIS article instead of trying to create separate ones. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 15:26, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Protect this now
This needs to be protected ASAP as since the winner was announced everone seems to be adding their own insults next to his name and otherwise vandalising. Wikiuserman (talk) 21:41, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Joe McElderry
Articles for deletion/Joe McElderry determined that the independent article on Joe McElderry should be restored to a redirect to this page. Now that he is known to be in the top 3 (and thus meets criterion #9 of WP:MUSICBIO) is there any feeling he is now sufficiently notable for an independent article? (Brought to discuss here, per DRV; Talk:Joe McElderry will have a link to here). I42 (talk) 21:21, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


 * No objection to independent article if anyone wants to create or restore it. Notability is now established, and articles for the top three finalists of X Factor is established practice. I42 (talk) 21:26, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment ^ I DID restore but sadly someone undid my restoration, EVEN THOUGH Joe is now in the TOP THREE and WAS when I recreated. WHY was this done to me? Whitebrightlight (talk) 10:26, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Because consensus was reached at Articles for deletion/Joe McElderry that the article should be deleted redirected. It cannot just be restored unilaterally as you did. I42 (talk) 12:02, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I did create the article in the first place, back in October, but that was redirected quickly because it was earlier in the series. It was one of the articles I spent most time on. He is in the top three, so are we allowed to revert the redirect sometime, or the results of the AfD stays forever. Hassaan19 (talk) 17:14, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm inclined to agree in favour of restoring the article, since I don't see his carreer going down any time soon, though the last version of the article needs quite a bit of cleanup work. I'm also wondering, should it be Joe McElderry or Joseph McElderry? - —  Io Katai   ᵀᵃˡᵏ  21:52, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Since articles for top 3 is established practice, I have also created pages for Olly Murs and Stacey Solomon on an equal footing. I appreciate also help there to add up to information. WP:MUSICBIO) states: #9. "Has won or placed in a major music competition" X Factor is a major competition and these two have also placed in its final. werldwayd (talk) 03:50, 7 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I created the article for Joe back in October, while he was only in week 3 of the competition. He is being backed by all four judges to win, there is a big chance he would, the article should be kept as it is, just needs improvements.Hassaan19 (talk) 12:48, 7 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, I've just recently redirected Olly Murs and Stacey Solomon after they were created, because in my opinion they're still not independently notable and none of them are guaranteed a record deal unless they win. But I guess if people think WP:MUSIC criterion #9 applies to the final three then I can live with that. As long as it's just the final three, but I'm sure that's not going to be a problem with all the recent AFDs. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 15:28, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - Olly IS independently notable, and IS in the top three of the X-Factor, which by far has the highest viewing figures of any show on those days, (Saturday and Sunday,) in the UK. Whitebrightlight (talk) 10:26, 8 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Restore Independent Articles Almost all American Idol contestants who appeared on the live show have articles regardless of post show success. For other TV contests giving the top three contestants articles seems to be routine. I think Joe is more notable than half of this lot- (Category:Page_Three_girls). Holkingers (talk) 16:50, 7 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Question - has anyone notified the editors who participated in the recent AFD of this discussion? If not, do you think perhaps you should? Nancy  talk  17:51, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Not yet and yes - now done. I42 (talk) 19:10, 7 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I !voted in the AfD when his notability wasn't yet sufficiently established; if it is by now, I don't mind recreating an independent article. Huon (talk) 21:25, 7 December 2009 (UTC)


 * support restoration of independent article. Think he is notable enough for an independent article.   PolarYukon (talk) 21:24, 7 December 2009 (UTC)


 * No objection to independent articles. At this point (the final 3 contestants), I think a strong case for notability can be made. Certainly for Joe, who seems to have received the most media attention, probably for the other two as well. Robofish (talk) 22:37, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - ^ yes this is a very good point above, not only is Joe in the top three, he's had a huge amount of media attention, due to his utterly amazing voice. Whitebrightlight (talk) 10:26, 8 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Support restoration of independent article Joe, Stacey and Olly are notable enough to have separate pages. Jonathan McLeod (talk) 22:54, 7 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Support 100% restoring article (I am using X Factor terminology)... So X Factor fever has caught on with Wikipedia and we have these "Joe will win, and deserves a page, Joe will not win and he should be a redirect" heated discussions, with Hassaan19, one of the most fervent supporters of Joe being blocked for his behaviour in defense of Joe. Probably he can wear this with some honor and gratification ("I went through all this for you, Joe, and it was worth my while" reasoning. (I wrote this so that you can keep a smiling face Hassaan)... However since we are so close to the final, probably it is wiser to drop this issue until the results are actually announced on Sunday 13 December 2009. If Joe McElderry wins, (which I personally think will win and I sincerely hope so, as he was the most consistent, the most passionate in his renderrings and gave 1000% percent every time, and was "note-perfect" Simon Cowell admitted), the page will be automatically there, won't it. So let's start the countdown to Wikipedia page re-establishment day LOL. werldwayd (talk) 03:40, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I was blocked because of the fact I reverted the redirect of the article. The result of the AfD (Which I created myself, a silly thing to do) ended up with a redirect. I am not sure whether it is legal to restore the article now that the result is a redirect, the question is will the result have to stay like that forever. Someone should revert the redirect right now and shorten the sections, particulary the 'The X Factor' section, which includes everything the judges said on his performances. By the way, thank you for everyone who is supporting the decision to restore the article. Hassaan19 (talk) 19:58, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Yes I feel Joe is very notable now, and in the top three which meets the Wikipedia rules about this. X-Factor has a MASSIVE audience in the U.K. and even outside of the U.K. people are watching it. Whitebrightlight (talk) 10:26, 8 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Support 100%. Restore independent article for Joe McElderry please because he's now in the TOP THREE - yes he's a finalist which meets Wikipedia policy. On another note, please can a senior admin PLEASE HELP ME OUT because some other, more experienced members here, are making me FEEL threatened and unwelcome, and I don't know how to go about raising this as a complaint. Can an impartial admin, who isn't a friend and doesn't have a working relationship with the member "142" in particular, please go to my discussion page and help me. I've been falsely accused of being a sock puppet, and 142 in particular is making me feel threatened and harasses, and I've asked him/her to leave me alone, but he/she has returned with a comment I find personally offensive due to the insinuation made. I'm happy for an admin who isn't 'related' to the member called "142" or the other members who've made negative comments about me, such as threatening to block me due to me defending myself. I apologise if anyone has interpreted my defence against outrageous allegations against me as a 'personal attack,' because it certainly wasn't intended as a personal attack, I've been civil to all members since I've been here. I only wanted to defend myself against untrue allegations of being a sock-puppet, but unfortunately more experienced members than me have turned this around by saying my self-defence was a 'personal attack,' seemingly trying to get be blocked. I'm NOT making a personal attack here, so please don't anyone say I am. I feel like other members are ganging up on me, and using the 'system' and rules in a clever way to try and get me blocked, because due to my inexperience, I can't 'pull up' rules etc. to threaten people with, and I always have been a good member here, I was feeling really angry when I was FALSELY ACCUSED of being a sock-puppet. Anyone who checks my IP-address can easily prove I'm not a sock-puppet. So again, can an impartial admin, who's not in any way a friend or has a working relationship with the people who've made these negative comments about me, can you please help me out here because I REALLY NEED SOME SUPPORT HERE BECAUSE I'M FEELING UNWELCOME AND THREATENED. Thanks. Whitebrightlight (talk) 10:26, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - Chill out. You already expressed your opinion, no need to reiterate it more than once. Let the voting procedure and discussion continue. I know waiting is burdensome, but it generally takes up to two weeks before such a motion is finally passed, unless everyone's in agreement. Considering the article was voted redirect not too long ago, it's best to give this discussion about a week so that the members who voted against will have time to place their opinion on the current proposal. —  Io Katai  ᵀᵃˡᵏ  19:45, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - Cool down Whitebrightlight. In addressing the issue, you can always answer with a couple of clear concise sentences, instead of making a big scene on each comment. At this stage, it is also wiser to make edits to the existing Joe McElderry section on the general page. If and when the results are declared and he is the winner, problem solved and he automatically will be given a page. It's just a matter of days now. By the way, hope he is the winner werldwayd (talk) 22:11, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Update After a CheckUser investigation, the claims made by user "142" that I'm a sock-puppet of user "Hassaan19" have been proven to be untrue, which underlines the fact that he's decided to wage a campaign of harassment against me, so other users take note when assessing comments made by user "142" in the future. Whitebrightlight (talk) 01:30, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * That is not an accurate representation of the results of the checkuser which at best could be described inconclusive. For anyone interested the results are here - Sockpuppet investigations/Hassaan19 Nancy  talk  08:55, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Whitebrightlight is clearly Hassaan19 trying to post under an assumed name in order to garner sympathy? support? for his rather bizarre campaign to have all X Factor contestants their own pages. Hassaan seems to resent the independent fame of John and Edward outside of the X Factor and has become obsessed by his need to give any or all contestants pages. Strange person. If the top 3 get their own page, then sure, why not. But Mcelderry, Solomon & Murs are completely unnoteworthy outside of having appeared on the X Factor and unless their fame or importance grows independent of the competition, just how much will ever be added to these individual pages is highly debateable. Kimmois (talk) 22:45, 12 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Note - The article had been recreated sometime within the last hour by MattheWaller. At this point, the discussion has been in favour of recreating the article, so it's time to come to a close and help build the article and protect it from vandalism. —  Io Katai  ᵀᵃˡᵏ  21:58, 13 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Yessss! I was shocked and actually flabbergasted after seeing a Joe McElderry Wikipedia page after so much bickering, Joe McElderry is notable after all. I am releaved to know that, you know.... Winning X Factor is very precious and a great thing. But having your own page on Wikipedia as a notable person, man, I mean, that's priceless werldwayd (talk) 23:25, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Olly Murs Latvian descent
This has no evidence. Can someone back it up? Or i think it should be removed as i think its a lie. (C_falco (talk) 18:11, 25 December 2009 (UTC))

Wikiversity overlap
I'm a custodian on Wikiversity and we recently had a request for deletion on this page. The author seems a little confused as to which site they're editing on, as it seems more like a Wikipedia article than a Wikiversity learning resource, but despite the lack of references there's clearly been some work on this page and I was curious about any possibility of integration into the existing article. --Trinity507 (talk) 03:34, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

An independent Wikipedia page for Danyl Johnson

 * Reinstate article I propose to restore an independent page for Danyl Johnson as very notable. He is absolutely (100%) different from all the rest. He is practically the first ever contestant that declared he was bisexual with Live show 1. Usually contestants wait much longer until the competition is over so that the popular votes are not effected. This is why one of the judges (Danni Minogue) had these adverse remarks about his sexuality! This is probably why he also got least votes and had to quit. But still Danyl Johnson comes out throughout as this transparent, honest and frank guy who did the right thing publicly and even said "I'm not ashamed" live on the show. This made the show skyrocket in ratings and put a precedence on other contestants to apply the same transparency from the very beginning. As to Olly Murs and Stacey Solomon, they are far less deserving than Danyl in the finals! Danyl has been extensively covered in all majour British media. He has international following. Just yesterday he announced he had a brush with cancer when he was just 10-11. He is absolutely amazing and fascinating musician. He has been in music since 2005 independent of X Factor. He was member in three different bands (Upfrunt, streetLevel and Empty Spaces). Unlike others, he has CDs released including Enchanced CD. He has composed many songs. Actually he has many songs with all three formations. His own single entitled "Beautiful Life" is featured (see and . Regardless of him being voted out in Final 4, I believe he should have his own independent Wikipedia page werldwayd (talk) 04:01, 8 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose I see none of the above meeting notability policy (though, I have to say, I do see what looks like original research and fancruft). I42 (talk) 07:28, 8 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Approve - because Danyl is ONLY JUST outside the TOP THREE, he's extremely notable and just because he's only just missed out a top three place, doesn't mean he's undeserving of an article now. It must be stressed that the "top three" rule isn't something that's set in stone, many X-Factor and similar competitions have people who've participated, but not made the top three, who nonetheless are very notable it's worth noting the MASSIVE viewing figures the X-Factor gets in the UK, and on YouTube which of course is shown around the world. Also, very good points made by the poster "Werldwayd" above about Danyl. Whitebrightlight (talk) 10:26, 8 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose - he's not 100% different from the others, he's 100% the same. He's no more notable than Rikki Loney. An article about him would not meet the notability policies. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 15:23, 8 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose - I think it might be best to give it some time in order so that independent notability from and following the X-Factor can be achieved. —  Io Katai  ᵀᵃˡᵏ  19:30, 8 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Approve - I created an article called Danyl Johnson that has been redirected. I think someone should revert the redirect and improve the article so it is appropriate for Wikipedia. Hassaan19 (talk) 16:26, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose - Haasaan19, you must stop creating these spurious articles for rejects from X Factor who have absolutely no notability outside of the show. Danyl Johnson has done nothing as yet to merit his own article - I feel that a great deal of this constant carping about separate pages for X FActor finalists stems from your dislike of John & Edward who have their own page and have gone on to experience much wider fame. Wikipedia is NOT here for you to grind your axes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kimmois (talk • contribs) 15:42, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Hang on, this has nothing to do with John & Edward. It has nothng to do with dislike, I like them, but if they can get an article even though they haven't done anything major after the series, Danyl should have the same thing. I think Danyl's page should not be put back at the moment because there is no sign of a recording contract (probably this month if Simon Cowell sees this www.petitionspot.com/petitions/DanylJohnson/ petition to get him a record deal) but at the moment all he is doing is performing gigs around the country. He is notable, he gave the 'best first audition' the judges had ever seen, and most of the finalists last year at this time last year had pages. Only JLS, Alexandra Burke, Eoghan Quigg and Ruth Lorenzo had pages this time last year, not sure about Diana Vickers, who came fourth, same position as Danyl. He has self-released an album and single, and his official website tells you about that. And I agree with what Werldwayd, he, along with Stacey Solomon and Olly Murs deserve their own pages. Hassaan19 (talk) 14:29, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 14:42, 1 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose fails notability requirements.  raseaC talk to me 15:51, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Restricting edits by anonymous contributors
The last 24 hours have have been mayhem on this Wikipedia page because of "X Factor mania" and vandalising and disruptive edits have created a huge chaos. I suggest an immediate ban of edits for the next 48 hours on all anonymous editors to this page. Only editors signed would be allowed to proceed. werldwayd (talk) 18:17, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

This happens every year when the winner is announced, or when a shocking result comes up. Steve Brookstein didn't cause chaos. Shayne Ward didn't cause much chaos either, only two edits were made to the article on the day of the announcement that he won. Leona Lewis' article had 64 edits (I've counted) from 22:25, 16 December 2006 to 23:59, and continued, and no protection was needed because there wasn't much vandalism. Leon Jackson's article had 28 edits until the end of the day of the announcement, and once again no vandalism. Alexandra Burke caused the same type of chaos as Leona's article, but no vandalism. It was Joe McElderry's article that caused lots of vandalism, or "X Factor mania" as you would call it. Every year you need to check the finalists' articles and the group article for vandalism because it happens most of the time.Hassaan19 (talk) 14:49, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Finalists' articles
Above there has been lots of debates on which finalists should have independent articles. In order to settle this I think all the finalists should be reviewed and thought whether they should have an article. Please list the finalists who you think should have an article and explain why. Hassaan19 (talk) 20:51, 5 January 2010


 * Joe McElderry because he has had a hit single. Nobody else. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 21:40, 5 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Joe McElderry obviously as well as Olly Murs and Stacey Solomon given that they were the two other finalists which meets notability for placement, and articles will inevitably be made about them at some point as they are bound to be signed, with more preference given to Olly as the runner up. He's got enough content in his section to make an article anyway. --Roamed (talk) 12:17, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Joe McElderry is the only finalist for which there is currently anything of note outside of the X Factor. We don't presume what might happen in the future. Hassaan19 - please let this drop! I42 (talk) 12:51, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hang on, all I am doing is checking which finalists merit their own article so I can only create them if it is OK to do so. I am protecting myself from getting blocked and checking before creating an article to prevent that.Hassaan19 (talk) 20:52, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * No, you have repeatedly told by admins that your attempts to create articles for these talent show contestants are disruptive and you escaped an indefinite block for this and sock-puppetry by agreeing to steer clear. And yet, here you are continuing in your crusade. You have been given straightforward answers many times. Given your closeness to an indefinite block I really stromgly recommend that even if any of the contestants does attain independent notability, you would be unwise to create any new article on them yourself. If they are notable, someone else will do it. In the meantime, as has been pointed out many times, your contributions would be welcome to the bios on this page. I42 (talk) 11:36, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

X Factor Tour
According to an advertisement on a site, http://www.ollymurs.org, Joe, Olly, Stacey, Danyl, John and Edward and Lucie would be appearing on the upcoming X Factor Tour. Can someone confirm this? And also is anyone else going to be on the tour? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.172.243.160 (talk) 11:50, 20 December 2009 (UTC)


 * All of the final 8 (all the acts that got further than Rachel Adedeji) will be on the X Factor tour. Hassaan19 (talk) 10:24, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Olly Murs record deal
According to this news article (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/02/07/last-laugh-olly-115875-22024244/) Olly is set to sign with Epic Records. This may be certain that he will get a record deal, so will it be worth that his page should be put back, because at December last year (2008), JLS even had an article before they got their record deal, so Olly's page should be put back. Hassaan19 (talk) 10:26, 7 February 2010 (UTC)


 * The article is mere gossip, and even if a deal is signed that does not in itself satisfy WP:MUSIC, which requires eg two or more released albums or chart success. Once again, I commend you to work on the existing bio here. I42 (talk) 10:35, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

It's not gossip any more, confirmed by the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/music/newsid_10050000/newsid_10058400/10058417.stm He satisfied notability criteria for placing highly in a major talent show, as far as I'm aware, and along with this news I think an article would be ok but I'll leave that up to others to decide. --Roamed (talk) 16:55, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

For me, I'd agree with you. He placed highly in a major talent show and has officially signed a recording contract with Simon Cowell, and Epic Records. At this exact time last year (looking at February 2009) JLS, the 2008 runners-up, had an article even before it was announced they had got a record deal. That was because the artice had been discussed, and this one hasn't. I created an article called Olly Murs (singer) a couple of hours ago and it was well-written and had references. The Olly Murs article doesn't have much information yet, so I suggest someone should take the Olly Murs (singer) article to AfD because the article was simply redirected to List of The X Factor finalists (UK series 6), then if the result would be keep, then it could be merged to Olly Murs. Someone should take the article to AfD. Hassaan19 (talk) 16:31, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hasaan19 - do you not get it? You were blocked for repeatedly creating these articles against consensus, and warned that if you resumed then your block would be permanent - and yet you're back doing it again. I42 (talk) 17:07, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Would it be ok for someone other than Hasaan19 to create the article, then? --Roamed (talk) 19:06, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The consensus is currently against it. Is there something new that asserts notability that you feel should be discussed here to see if consensus has changed? I42 (talk) 19:47, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

I didn't, and still don't, see where consensus has been reached. Hassaan19 (talk) 17:11, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Lloyd Daniels
He was spotted in the audience of "Over The Rainbow" next to Danielle's friends and family, I'm just wondering if there's a source that can confirm this? Jonni_Boi (Talk) 16:57, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


 * He was in it last night aswell! Jonni_Boi (Talk) 15:02, 9 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Are you suggesting that we include this in the article? Anemone  Projectors  17:42, 9 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Some people may be interested in knowing his connection to other famous people! Jonni_Boi (Talk) 17:32, 17 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Saying he was in the audience of a particular TV show is not going to be of interest to many people. This isn't a fansite but an encyclopaedia. Anemone  Projectors  18:29, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Stacey Solomon
Stacey for her own artical? As she has been confirmed as a celebrity to enter I'm a Celebrity?.. --92.17.57.114 (talk) 22:45, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I would say wait and see how far she gets first. I'm not sure two reality shows is really worthy - though then she would be notable for more than one thing. But in my opinion, not yet. Anemone  Projectors  23:11, 23 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Just to add my two cents, I think that Stacey should have an article now, but i'm just as happy to wait to see how she does on I'm A Celebrity. And also, i'm pretty sure there's already a half-decent redirected article for Stacey somewhere out there, so if it's agreed to open an article, there is already one there somewhere! :) (Kyleofark (talk) 21:41, 13 November 2010 (UTC))
 * I think at least wait until she's entered the jungle... cos she could pull out last minute so she wouldn't be notable for IACGMOOH. But once she's in there, she'll be notable for a second thing, so I won't really mind as long as it's a decent article. There are a few versions in the page history of Stacey Solomon, some that are quite good. Anemone  Projectors  23:28, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I think as soon as it is clear she is in (just a few hours time now) then there is sufficient notability to recreate the article. But I will not be watching so I won't do it :-) --Triwbe (talk) 18:28, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I did revert its creation a while ago because I was waiting for the series to start but it was clear she was already there and they'd started filming so I reverted myself and cleaned up the page. Stacey Solomon now has her own article. Anemone  Projectors  21:33, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Stacey/Olly pages, no Joe page?

 * Comment - I put the Joe page back when he got into the TOP THREE, but someone reverted me unfortunately. Hopefully this discussion will finally see justice done. I feel very sad about the behaviour of these Wikipedia deletionists, and those who form cliques and attack new members. Whitebrightlight (talk) 10:26, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

I've noticed Stacey and Olly now have their own separate articles. Why is this and why does Joe not have one? Personally I think none of the them deserve their own page until the show is over but if Stacey and Olly have one each, I find it a bit odd that Joe hasn't got one. I realise that Joe had a page and was deleted and I think that was right because it was much earlier in the series, but if something was decided that the three finalists should have their own pages, I think Joe deserves one as well. --MissusCitrus (talk) 13:20, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry for my worthless post, I didn't notice the above discussion lol --MissusCitrus (talk) 13:22, 7 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, I was the one who created the Joe McElderry article. Apparently, I took the article to AfD even though I created it. I honestly think it was a 'ridiculous idea'. The reason I took it to AfD (It was my first AfD nomination) because it had repeatedly been redirected, and I thought it would be a proper way to handle the article. It should be reverted and be made to be appropriate for Wikipedia. Hassaan19 (talk) 19:39, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Is it worth creating an Olly page now? I've been editing stuff into his section here but there seems to be some info coming out about what he's doing beyond the show, like being signed by Simon possibly, Robbie helping him out, etc. so the section is maybe getting a little large... and he was the runner up and I think that works for notability? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roamed (talk • contribs) 21:30, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

I think Olly should have his own page as he was the runner up and all the other runner ups have their own pages. I'm not sure about Stacey having one though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.172.243.160 (talk) 11:54, 20 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I really agree with 86.172.243.160, Olly ought to have a page for himself. G4, Andy, Ray, Rhydian and JLS all have their own pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.102.32.53 (talk) 19:44, 7 May 2010 (UTC)


 * G4, Andy, Ray, Rhydian and JLS have all had hit albums and/or singles. Olly Murs has had none. Anemone  Projectors  22:50, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

I think we should mention that in week 6, Stacey was the only girl remaining in the competition. Don't you think so? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.192.147.7 (talk) 09:43, 15 March 2011 (UTC)


 * No. – Anemone Projectors – 17:04, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

One Direction were the last group remaining in 2010's competition after Belle Amie got voted off. That's nothing special. It's not even important, it doesn't need to be put onto Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.192.147.7 (talk) 17:43, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

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