Talk:List of UK dialling codes covering Wales

What is the point in this page? It is just a rehash of List of United Kingdom dialling codes, is full of errors and doesn't include "border" codes. Owain (talk) 14:07, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


 * To give a list of telephone dialling codes in country called Wales - I'd have thought it was obvious. If you found it contained errors or was incomplete, I don't see why it had to be deleted an re-directed. --Rhyswynne (talk) 14:41, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

My point exactly. This article intends to go into greater detail than the UK version. Also there's no problem with having the two articles just like there is a list of biggest places in the UK and one for biggest places in Wales. Welshleprechaun (talk) 14:44, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The biggest place in Wales is not the biggest place in the UK. So the two lists (do they actually exist? -- I can't find them) serve different purposes, and one is not a subset of the other. But every Welsh dialling code is also a UK dialling code. So what is the point? If you think there is extra detail worth adding, add it to the UK list! --Dr Greg (talk) 17:31, 24 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Every Welsh mountain, village, river etc is also a so-called “UK mountain (etc.)”, so presumably by your logic you would be against any seperate list for Wales if a UK list exists? I think this redirect has more to do with a Unionist agenda than encyclopedic principles and should be reverted. Enaidmawr (talk) 22:34, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No, my logic is that this is a UK-wide system, so this is merely duplicating existing information. If we really need to specify that this exchange is in Wales, it is best served by a footnote in the List of United Kingdom dialling codes article (if at all). This page serves no other purpose than to suggest that this is somehow a separate system (and further some nationalistic aims), which simply isn't necessary. Owain (talk) 18:57, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I think the source of data for this page is out of date? The definitive source of dialling codes is a booklet available from BT called simply "The Phone Book - Code Companion". Following major streamlining by BT for several years, many of these 'exchanges' no longer exist in their own right. For example "01443 — Bargoed, Pontypridd, Ystrad Mynach" should read "01443 — Pontypridd" as the Pontypridd exchange now includes Bargoed, Ystrad Mynych and many other places! The 'official' BT list of exchanges in Wales (and overlaping border exchanges) can be viewed on the page I created at http://cy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhifau_cyfnewidfeydd_teleffon (and please don't add 'Penrhyn Gŵyr' etc. as the Gower is now only part of the Swansea exchange!!!). Who was under the 'misconception' that the code for Cardif was "02920"??? Certainly not me! Why do we need to know this? Are you aware that BT's 'grand plan' is for an all-Wales dialling code of "029" (similar to what already exists in Northern Ireland)? -- Maelor 14:12, 25 April 2008 (UTC)


 * For example "01443 — Bargoed, Pontypridd, Ystrad Mynach" should read "01443 — Pontypridd" as the Pontypridd exchange now includes Bargoed, Ystrad Mynych and many other places!
 * Sorry, that's my fault, I thought the list was of which towns were covered by each number rather than the name of each exchange. I'd agree that a list of the exchanges is better, or possibly with an additional column stating which towns are covered.--Rhyswynne (talk) 14:27, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I have to disagree with you about adding the extra column. This would simply encourage the adding of 'one-sheep' towns and make the list look ridiculous (as is happening on the List of communities in Wales page!). It just makes a mockery of what an encyclopaedia is meant to be! -- Maelor 12:25, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the 02920 misconception, you just have to live in Cardiff to see it every day on shop facades and on business vehicles, and hear people saying it. When the new 21xx xxxx numbers become more widespread, the problem is going to get worse. Welshleprechaun (talk) 14:59, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Now I see what you mean! But the type of people who have these misconceptions are unlikely to read Wikipedia (or any other encyclopaedia for that matter). I think it's best to avoid the issue and just state the correct version? -- Maelor 12:25, 26 April 2008 (UTC)


 * For example "01443 — Bargoed, Pontypridd, Ystrad Mynach" should read "01443 — Pontypridd" as the Pontypridd exchange now includes Bargoed, Ystrad Mynych and many other places!. No it doesn't, they are separate exchanges and have separate exchange names. It's just that BT discourages use of exchange names these days, so they only list one exchange per dialling code in their directories/online. Have a look in the printed Yellow Pages, and you'll see the correct exchange names for each number. 82.153.97.255 (talk) 16:51, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

I live neither in the UK nor in Wales, so it shouldn't be up to me to decide about this page. However, i think that area codes under the +44 country code belong in one list. If Wales had a country code of its own, I would support preserving this page, but Wales is not Gibraltar, Diego Garcia, Macau or Hong Kong. (Gibraltar and Diego Garcia have country codes of their own, but belong to the UK. Macau and Hong Kong have country codes of their own as well, but belong to China.) -- Dynam1te3 (talk) 00:19, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

New merger proposal
New discussion can be found at Talk:List_of_United_Kingdom_dialling_codes. Proposal placed on Proposed_mergers. 90.208.56.217 (talk) 03:44, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I propose that Area code 01633 be merged into List of UK dialling codes covering Wales. The content in the Area code 01633 page can easily be explained in the context of List of UK dialling codes covering Wales and, at 3,074 bytes, its parent article is far too small to have warranted a split on size criteria. Any additional cited information and could be either deleted or merged back into its parent with WP:RS citations. Daicaregos (talk) 07:40, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I disagree. List of UK dialling codes covering Wales should in fact be deleted. It is merely a subset of List of dialling codes in the United Kingdom and itself had been tagged for deletion/merging since July 2010. The 01633 article is part of a series of articles linked from Template:Telephone numbers in the United Kingdom and is not suitable for merging into a list-type article. Owain (talk) 08:51, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Is it likely that similar articles on all the other area codes will ever be created? Should they be? - do they meet the notability criteria?  It would help the case for retaining the 01633 article if some references for the information could be provided - at present the article is almost totally unreferenced.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:51, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * To answer Ghmyrtle's questions: No. No. And No. I would point out that User:Owain is the creator and sole contributor of the page nominated for merger. Daicaregos (talk) 13:37, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * There are others. I don't have a strong view, except to point out that the 01633 article is essentially unreferenced and may well be original research.  If so, there's a strong case for deleting it.  If reliable sources can be found for it, they can presumably be found for other codes as well, and so there might possibly be a case for articles on those codes as well (though I'm not convinced).  Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:39, 1 October 2012 (UTC)