Talk:List of United States Military Academy first captains

Proposed for deletion
Hi, I note that you have proposed this article for deletion. Is there an opportunity for editors to contribute to the decision making process? If so, where might one find the relevant discussion or whatever? If not, why not. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:11, 1 May 2022 (UTC)


 * it's not an issue anymore. As far as I can tell, there never was a discussion. It was tagged "Not a notable subject, lacks independent sources". It currently has plenty of sources, and West Point Academy etal is notable.  — Maile  (talk) 04:14, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , pleased to hear it. If so, why is the tag still there. Can it be removed? Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:08, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Removed. — Maile (talk) 19:11, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Note to Hawkeye7
Hope you don't mind that I've been filling in the Comment column on each cadet. It occurred to me that the non-military reader might not understand the prestige of being First Captain. Aside from the individual awards/medals any of them had, this list certainly highlights that West Point has played part in training future leaders in both military and civilian lives. — Maile (talk) 18:37, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * That's fine. When you've finished we could co-nominate it at FLC. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  19:09, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a plan. Can you find anything on O’Farrall Knight, besides what is there?  I come up empty. — Maile  (talk) 19:31, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Sure. You can read all about him here Hawkeye7   (discuss)  05:12, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I've given it my best shot. A few are left undone, but maybe you can do those. Whew! -  this is one heck of a list! — Maile  (talk) 20:22, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I think you've done a great job. I'll go over it as soon as I can, probably on the weekend. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:36, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * now that the AFD on Pratt has closed ... once the DYK review is complete ... I've spent the last week honing the table formatting for FLC.  I thought of adding images, but most of the cadets don't have images on Commons, so just the lead image would also work (I think).  FLC recommends taking a potential nomination through Peer review first.  What do you think? — Maile  (talk) 23:15, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I think it should be fine sending it straight to FLC. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  00:12, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I would love for us to take this to FLC as a team, but it's not advisable with the current status. I acknowledge that you are not in agreement with the discussion regarding suggested eventual DYK hooks. But unless that issue is resolved, I prefer not to take this through the FLC, where reviewers have a way of questioning ongoing issues, even if those issues seem unrelated to FLC.  There are no DYK miracles in the works that will bring it around to your first choice.  Some DYK regular nominators go through a whole lot more, as that is just the way DYK has evolved. And while I sympathize with you, the stalemate accomplishes nothing in either direction. Please think about this. — Maile  (talk) 20:16, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * I want us to take this to FLC as a team too, and never had any intention of doing so until you felt it was ready. Hawkeye7   (discuss)  20:41, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Then we are a team on this. Perhaps agree with one of the suggested hooks on the nomination - I don't care which one - a hook the DYK dudes and dudettes will go with, should then move us forward. — Maile  (talk) 20:49, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Rank capitalization style
Can either of you state the official military style, or the Wikipedia guidelines, on the capitalization of US military ranks? I've been listing them according to the source. Billmckern is beginning to change everything to all lower case, which I don't believe is correct, based on the US Army's own website. 1 the University of Chicago does not lowercase the ranks. 2 I don't readily find the subject at WP:MILHIST. Generals.dk capitalizes everything. Also see United States Army officer rank insignia. If we intend to take this up to FLC - and I think we should - this issue will come up. — Maile (talk) 23:46, 7 June 2022 (UTC)


 * I think this will help:


 * MIlitary terms: "Military ranks follow the same capitalization guidelines as given under § Titles of people, below. For example, Brigadier General John Smith, but John Smith was a brigadier general."


 * Billmckern (talk) 23:54, 7 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Now we can all coordinate around that guideline.  — Maile  (talk) 00:59, 8 June 2022 (UTC)


 * No trouble. I started making edits on the first captains article while I was working on something else just because I noticed some missing birth and death dates and bio notes, and couldn't leave them alone.


 * Billmckern (talk) 02:00, 8 June 2022 (UTC)