Talk:List of United States cities by crime rate

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i didnt know i could edit Three-digit numbers are sorted separately from four-digit numbers, from five-digit, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.213.186 (talk) 08:01, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Why does the chart list New Orleans twice, with two different sets of data? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.56.57.52 (talk) 21:29, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

The crime rates for Chicago are still using the wrong scale, and are far higher than every other city in this chart —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.59.183 (talk) 09:53, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

I will be about as clear as possible, someone fucked up the charts big time, it is suppoused to be the rate per 100,000 but these values are for per 1,000 it appears

The article includes the text "However, in some cases such as Charlotte, Honolulu and Las Vegas, the reporting agency as more than one city." -- what does this mean?

Deicas (talk) 19:00, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't this have been replaced by now with the 2007 statistics? -September 18, 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.167.249.97 (talk) 22:52, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Usage of 'rates' seems to add ambiguity since no units are listed on the tables. If I understand the data correctly "Crimes recorded for cities with populations greater than 250,000 in 2006" etc. would be more appropriate. --Jahelmke (talk) 04:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

The county of Tim Dennisville US potatoes experices little crime rate, with the expansion of many family's, and indeed can be considered the greatest county for crime in all the Untied States.

By Tim the thrid of Loglasie

I would have to disagree with the article above, McDennive is far superior in crime rate

hi

-- Wow, I didn't know Los Angeles was that low in terms of homocide...I thought it would at least be in the top 10.

Just curious as to how Southfield Michigan can be in both the 100 lowest AND 100 highest violent crime rate lists. Perhaps the laws of physics don't apply there. I live very close to Southfield, and I'm quite certain the violent crime rate is not 0 as reported in the "100 lowest violent crime rate" table. This table should be corrected and updated, and it would also be helpful if the "100 highest crime rate" table was inverted so that the highest crime rate appeared at the top instead of the bottom. (westmt01, Troy, Michigan)


 * Clearly looks like an error. I'll look into generating new tables, like the homicides one - probably for cities over 50,000 population and not 10,000. -Aude ( talk | contribs ) 15:01, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

I think there is a clarification needed, I wasn't able to find out if the rates really are in incidents per 100.000 and per year. (or if it's per month or whatever)

Aron —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.234.158.56 (talk) 22:52, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

"Crime rates for cities with populations greater than 250,000 in 2006" Usage of rates seems to add ambiguity since no units are listed on the tables. If I understand the data correctly "Crimes recorded for cities with populations greater than 250,000 in 2006" etc. would be more appropriate.

There would appear to be an error in the sorting of the table. The column for property crimes is somehow not considering numbers greater than 10,000 and has St Louis in the wrong place when you sort by this column. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.227.170.216 (talk) 23:54, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

What is CBD? (second paragraph of article) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jhumbo (talk • contribs) 22:21, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Stats are out of date and appear to be raw data (aggregate figures) rather than rates. The word rate is being used improperly in the title.LeValley 03:49, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

2005 Data
As of September 26, 2006, the 2005 data is available. If nobody gets to it before me, I will change some criteria (e.g., city size cut off at 300,000 rather than 400 on murder rate) and changing the criteria for most dangerous and least dangerous as the basis of population is misleading (where one crime can alter a small town's standing). All I have to do now is figure how to easily do Wiki tables. Americasroof 20:03, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Moving 2004 data
When I rewrite the tables, I will move this article and discussion to United States cities by crime rate (2004) Americasroof 21:02, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Column header "state"
The header "state" is not correct, since the list also contains "District of Columbia", which is not a state. I advocate changing the header of the first column in the table to "territory", "district" or something more general. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.49.58.146 (talk) 18:37, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Territory has a very specific legal definition that neither states nor the District of Columbia meet. One title is correct for 0%, one for 98%. I think 98% (state) is better. --OuroborosCobra (talk) 19:25, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

MSA data
The by-city rankings have been criticized as being inaccurate due to the arbitrariness of which suburbs, if any, are included in a city's legal boundries. Some people say that statistics by Metropolitan Statistical Area are more meaningful. The 2005 MSA crime stats are available from the FBI and would make an excellent companion article. -- Beland 18:27, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

FBI Cities Crime Ranking
The FBI provides data an crime for cities and MSAs. But it specifically cautions against ranking cities against each other. City limit configurations within large MSAs vary widely between those just encircling the old inner core areas of an MSA - (city A), to those that include most of the low crime affluent suburbs of their MSA (city B). So ranking by city limits is wildly inaccurate and unfair for cities within large MSAs, and says nothing about whether one is safer in the core of city A or city B, or whether one is safer in the suburbs of city A or city B. I suggest we just list the cities and their stats alphabetically, like the FBI does, to merely present the data, rather than try to "rank" by city limits.

If we must have a ranking, an MSA ranking might be more accurate, since MSA boundaries are defined by population statistics of a metro area, and not by arbitrary political boundaries. So comparing MSAs is closer to comparing apples and apples.

Gary Kreie 03:51, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Agree. Crime numbers are meaningful for cities, rates are not statistically meaningful necessarily. Crime varies by location within city boundaries. There may be more crimes committed within a small state than within a metro area for example. It would be more appropriate to list crime rates by metro area and numbers of crimes within cities. Ranking crime rates by cities is inappropriate according to the experts. The table should be changed to reflect numbers of crimes for cities.Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 15:33, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Murder vs Homicide statistics
User:Taco325i edited the article and replaced Murder with Homicide. This has made those crime statistics invalid. -- Cameron Dewe 03:01, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

2006 Stats Now Available
2006 Stats are now available http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/index.html

There's a great big disclaimer at the opening of the site cautioning against comparing cities. Americasroof 01:59, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Rate vs. Rank
Shouldn't the cities be ranked by murder rate per 100,000, rather than total murders? Johnbiggs 11:34, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Edit: It is, but they just forgot the decimals. I'll fix it. Johnbiggs 12:02, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Americasroof 13:46, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Wouldn't this page be more useful if it was organized by the rate of individual crimes rather than the total number?... I made this edit yesterday but someone reverted it back. At least the chart I added should be added as a second chart below. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.50.255.146 (talk • contribs) 16 November 2007


 * Using the rates rather than raw numbers is actually an improvement and I would be o.k. with nuking out the raw numbers. The cavets of course is that murder is the only crime that is absolutely reported.  The other categories can be fudged (that's why I sorted on murder than violent crime).  I reverted your edit yesterday as that was a drastic change and coming from an anonymous I.P. is always a red flag.  I've always been attempting to protect the underlying numbers.  Both the rates and the raw numbers could not exist on this page as both have pushed the size of the page to 95K which is too big.  -- Americasroof (talk) 18:41, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

ranking rates is an inappropriate us of FBI statistics according to the FBI's website. Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 00:59, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Other Data
Some of this data conflicts with City-data's list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.240.93.168 (talk) 18:19, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I went to the FBI cited page, and did not see the source for this data - but I absolutely know that the data for Oakland is very incorrect. Oakland has been struggling with its too high homicide rate, and produced report, giving data which is 4 times higher than what is included in this artice, so it calls into question the accuracy of your data. http://www.urbanstrategies.org/programs/infotech/oak_homicides.html 67.169.96.5 (talk) 02:19, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

2007 Crime Numbers for Cities Available
The latest crime numbers have been available, here, for quite some time now:

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/index.html

Anyone want to take a crack at updating the list? --Criticalthinker (talk) 02:56, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I took a crack at updating the list. The specific table is Table 8 http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_08.html  However after compiling it and getting ready to post it, I discovered major integrity issues with the fed data starting with Kansas City, Missouri missing from the data (and no explanation for such an omission).  Further there were huge population swings including New Orleans going from 400,000+ in 2006 100,000 in 2007.  And that's just what I caught eyeballing it.  I sent an email to UCR.  Americasroof (talk) 03:27, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The FBI responded to my email very quickly. The data is strictly based on cities meeting deadlines and apparently Kansas City, Missouri missed the deadline.  The data on the website is still preliminary with the final coming out in February 2009.  It is using the smaller New Orleans population now.  I have it on my other computer and will try to post it tonight. Compiling it is a pain in the #@#$ especially if they are still changing it.Americasroof (talk) 14:01, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but why are the decimals taken out of the murder rates, for instance, and what happen to the actual murder count? And what happen to the nice color dividers?  It would seem that all that needed to be done was to change the numbers instead of changing the entire format, no?  BTW, don't worry about them changing the numbers.  People will change them as they change them, it was just imperative that we updated the numbers. --Criticalthinker (talk) 04:25, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I tried to keep it in the same structure as the original FBI spreadsheet and keep it strictly ratios rather than showing the numbers. The colors were not customary to Wikipedia. Americasroof (talk) 04:05, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, but there were decimals in the murder rate, and the actual murder counts were listed. There is enough difference between say 45.1 and 45.9, so I'm not sure why you felt the need to dumb the list down to whole numbers.--Criticalthinker (talk) 03:36, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I will try to rerun it in the next week or so reflecting the decimals. This is one of those pages that opens a can of worms since it is often and subtitliy vandalized. 14:08, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Minneapolis Forcible Rate
If I didn't know any better I think it was a fluke, but it appears to be a correctly calculated rate. Does Minneapolis just happen to report rape better than most other areas? I mean, the rate is three times that of Detroit. --Criticalthinker (talk) 11:43, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Inconsistencies
If the title of this article is fully unqualified, it gives a presentation that appears to be comprehensive. The list seems to be a random selection of cities, as opposed to a ranking of some subgroup of U.S. cities, and as such gives an incomplete (or, in some instances, completely false interpretation of data. We need to qualify this list and then ensure that it contains a comprehensive list of those qualifications.  //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 00:53, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Inititial presentation of data
Why is the initial presentation of crime data ranked by the murder rate? If we're trying to avoid "ranking" the cities and simply provide users with the data, then the cities should be ordered in a neutral manner, such as alphabetical by name. Best, epicAdam(talk) 01:56, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Kansas City
Why is Kansas City listed if there is no data for it? 131.215.171.162 (talk) 23:16, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * So that people know that there's no data for it and don't go looking. Best, epicAdam(talk) 23:26, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

2008 Stats Now Available
Go check them out, and someone can begin changing the list:

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/08aprelim/index.html

--Criticalthinker (talk) 03:18, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Those stats are very preliminary. They don't even include half the cities on this list. I recommend that we wait until the fall when the full report is issued. Best, epicAdam(talk) 03:43, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, now the full report is out:

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/index.html

--Criticalthinker (talk) 09:49, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The table is at http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/data/documents/08tbl08.xls It's a pain to parse (and per discussion we translate it to rates -- which the FBI cautions against).  I've done it the last three years.  I keep hoping somebody else will do it.  If nobody comes forward in the next couple of weeks, I will do it again using the methodology of the past three years. Americasroof (talk) 15:00, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I know what you mean, and it's probably why no one else is doing it. --173.104.22.74 (talk) 10:01, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * So, just to be clear, are you dead-set against updating this? --Criticalthinker (talk) 05:07, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I eliminated all formatting using http://excel2wiki.net/index.php which dramatically reduces the size of the article. The text needs tweaking but the 2008 data is at last up! Americasroof (talk) 22:38, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, what exactly is wrong with the text? If I know the problem, I may try to fix it, because it is rather distracting. --Criticalthinker (talk) 02:14, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

It's now 2009
Why does this article still cite 2007 data? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.8.31.47 (talk) 02:46, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

2009 data now available
The 2009 table is now available (following its usual schedule of being available each September) and the specific excel table is here. If somebody else wants to redo the page have at it, otherwise I will try to post the updated table in the next week.Americasroof (talk) 17:25, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Crime rate is per 1,000 not 100,000
I notice that someone a long time ago noticed the bad math here. I've checked a few of the numbers and it appears they're consistently off by two decimal places. Just to be clear how I spotted and knew this to be in error: I was checking a 2010 news story from the CBC about the crime rate there, particularly Winnipeg. It was 4.1 per 100,000 in 2009. It stretched credulity to think that no American city could even be close to that. Detroit was 0.4! I checked story from the Star Tribune in Minneapolis from 2009 and, in 2008, there were 52 violent crimes per 100,000. So there's no way it could've dropped to 11.09 in a year.

So, I'm going to edit the page and if anybody objects, well, go ahead and explain yourself.

Here's the math, by the way:

To get at the per 1,000 rate: # of crimes / (population / 1,000) To get at the per 100,000 rate: # of crimes / (population / 100,000)

Ttu103 (talk) 20:49, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Why didn't you ever get around to this? I completely agree with you.  Why someone changed the measurement is beyond me.

Chicago
Apparently Chicago is the crime capitol of the USA. The real crime is this chart is so inaccurate it either needs t be deleted or totally redone, as it is it is of no value whatsoever —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.4.174.242 (talk) 04:55, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * This was vandalism which I reverted. There was also a subtle vandalism here.  Chicago's violent crime rate was intentionally left blank because its information was incomplete.  That edit opened up a series of problems which in turn was vandalized again.Americasroof (talk) 17:32, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Incomplete info for Chicago with citations and notes would be preferable to "N/A" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.180.17.51 (talk) 20:32, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

2010
The 2010 Uniform Crime Report is out (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/preliminary-annual-ucr-jan-dec-2010/data-tables/table-4/table-4/view). Is there not some that tries to keep this stuff up to date, anymore? --Criticalthinker (talk) 11:21, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * That data is preliminary. The official data is released each September (as is mentioned in the article).Americasroof (talk) 12:37, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The article says that the 2009 info was available in September 2009, so where is the info from September 2010, a full year ago? Was that a typo? --Criticalthinker (talk) 12:33, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * That was a typo (which I just fixed). I didn't update it last September when I updated the data.  Incidentally the data for 2010 is still preliminary http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/crimestats Americasroof (talk) 14:00, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * They are now out: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl08.xls/view

Two states, one city...
I've noticed that cities that are split between two states are just labeled under one. For example, St. Louis is half in Missouri and half in Illinois. Kansas City is also split with Kansas and Missouri. However, these cities only show as being in Missouri which skews the actual data. This is a problem because in St. Louis if you cross the state border the laws greatly change. East St. Louis is in Illinois where the crime is much higher compared to West St. Louis, but the data places East St. Louis in Missouri. The laws are so different in these two states that the data reflects a state's crime rate incorrectly. When St. Louis pops up on Missouri and the crime is high due to East St. Louis it does not reflect correctly on Illinois and instead reflects incorrectly on Missouri. If the laws in Missouri vs Illinois are so different then the data will not represent anything useful and will instead create more confusion. All this, IMHO of course... 64.207.245.230 (talk) 17:42, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
 * East St. Louis, Illinois and Kansas City, Kansas are different legal entities from their bigger sister cities.Americasroof (talk) 18:19, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Indianapolis, IN is missing
Obviously Indianapolis, IN is a U.S. city with > 250,000 pop.

It's data needs to be added (back?).

Kerander (talk) 20:52, 24 April 2012 (UTC)


 * There are no statistics because Indianapolis failed to report. -epicAdam(talk) 12:57, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

San Juan, Puerto Rico
Yes, yes I know it's a territory and not a state but Puerto Ricans are native born US citizens and San Juan is an American city with 395,000 people. What are it's crime statistics? It should be pretty high on the list if not the highest violent crime rate in the nation.69.115.242.114 (talk) 00:23, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Puerto Rico crime data is not tracked by the FBI and is therefore not included here. epicAdam(talk) 01:41, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * PR was actually included in the data in 2011 but I did not include it.Americasroof (talk) 20:27, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Does anyone have an up to date source for crime data in San Juan or other municipalities of Puerto Rico? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.89.83.192 (talk) 21:03, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

2011 data
The 2011 data which arrived significantly later than usual is presented in a manner by the FBI to make it difficult to make comparisons so it took considerable parsing. The new data is sorted by MSA's and so I had to parse out the cities as the FBI would prefer an analysis by metropolitan area (which is still difficult to parse). By restricting the presentation to MSA's the data does not include a lot of smaller towns that were included before. The data also no longer includes arson.Americasroof (talk) 20:27, 7 January 2013 (UTC)~

2011 data Henderson NV
The 2011 data seems to have Henderson as it's own city apart from Las Vegas. Yet it is not on the table http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table8statecuts/table_8_offenses_known_to_law_enforcement_nevada_by_city_2011.xls Pacomartin (talk) 20:14, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Chicago
Chicago's murder rate data reported here doesn't match what's on the 2011 report. It's not even close. Am I missing something? Rklawton (talk) 12:16, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Ann Arbor vs New Orleans
The article shows Ann Arbor has having the highest murder rate per 100,00 in america. The FBI MSA rate (on the cited link) is 2.3 (not the over 50 rate currently in the article). It also lists the population incorrectly. The listed population--346,974-- is actually the population of New Orleans, which is currently not listed on the chart. That said, the rest of the numbers aren't quite perfect for New Orleans either (also it used the City pop, not the full MSA).

It seems that at the very least someone confused Ann Arbor and New Orleans when they made the chart, but I wonder if there are bigger issues with the rest of the numbers?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:A:3D80:2B9:709C:8059:8369:EFC5 (talk) 23:53, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

2012 available now
2012 is available. I will take a stab at parsing it in the next week or so unless somebody else wants to do it. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012 Americasroof (talk) 17:04, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Columbus Ohio not on the list?
I came to this page looking for statistics on Columbus Ohio specifically, but I was confused when I didn't see it on the list. Any idea why not? 24.160.162.146 (talk) 03:05, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Criticism of ranking crime data
This section of the article goes into a decent amount of detail as to how crime statistics are not an accurate portrayal of criminal behavior in a particular city. If that is the case, great, but it also begs the question as to what exactly is a better way to evaluate the impact of crimes in cities? Saying that figures are inaccurate is not a very convincing passage when no superior alternative is presented. This is particularly upsetting since many other articles use these same statistics for the success or failure of law enforcement initiatives, as evidenced Here. We must be consistent. We can't tote these numbers as a sign of progress on some articles and then turn around and say they are less than pertinent on others.--Supaflyrobby (talk) 14:21, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

They also fail to say why they are inaccurate. City Y has 100 homicides a year. City X has 500. Their argument seems to be along the lines, that City X has a poorer population, higher unemployment etc. That's an argument as to the causes of crime. It still does not erase the fact that these crimes are being committed. The facts remain, that City x's homicide rate is 5 times greater than Y's. The results are per capita/per 100k etc which means you can compare.

The only way the data can be skewed, is if there are reporting differences. e.g City X's inhabitants are more likely to report a rape, than city Y's. City Y's bureaucratic system is worse than X's. Their classification system or booking system is inadequate. No evidence of this has been put forward.

The data is legit. The criticism is political. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.44.149.144 (talk) 20:20, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Title
The data was just updated, but that means the page title is now wrong. DJ Clayworth (talk) 15:21, 19 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Fixed. -SColombo (talk) 23:12, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 February 2017
Please update the table. Here is a 2015 version from the FBI source

Notes: * 2014 Data

** 2013 Data

1 The FBI does not publish arson data unless it receives data from either the agency or the state for all 12 months of the calendar year.

2 The population for the city of Mobile, Alabama, includes 55,819 inhabitants from the jurisdiction of the Mobile County Sheriff's Department. 73.223.97.97 (talk) 07:32, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done &mdash; Train2104 (t • c) 15:39, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Inaccurate and Outdated Article
This article is very inaccurate upon spot checking. For example, it says the data is from 2014 but lists Chicago's homicide rate as 28.7 per 100,000 people. This is extremely inaccurate. According to the FBI UCR table 6 from 2014 (https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-6), Chicago's homicide rate was 15.09 per 100K. Furthermore, this appears to be an attempt at introducing 2016 data into a table about 2014 rates. The official 2016 rate via the FBI UCR table 6 (https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-6/table-6.xls/view) was 28.07 per 100K for Chicago. As every city's data has not been updated, the ranking is therefore inaccurate (for example, Chicago in this table is listed as top 5 homicide rate, but in 2014 it was not top 15, and for 2016 it is 9th highest).

This article needs to be updated - it's misleading, inaccurate, and out of date. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marothisu (talk • contribs) 23:53, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

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Add links to the tables
The city and state names in the table do not link to their respective articles. Also, the article title and the talk page title are inconsistent — the former is titled "List of United States cities by crime rate" while the latter is "List of United States cities by crime rate (2014)", even though the data in the article is actually from 2017. Can someone please add links? I am a new user — this page is semi-protected and I cannot edit it. Sanjay7373 (talk) 22:25, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Update: I just became an autoconfirmed user and added the links to the article myself. Sanjay7373 (talk) 00:27, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

It's 2019
Can someone update the information to 2019 instead of 2014? Also, Why isn't Utah not on there? Does it mean Utah doesn't have any crimes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 25awesomeguy (talk • contribs) 03:45, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Why only cities, not all counties
If WP just lists cities, that is very selective. Why not all counties?--Einar Moses Wohltun (talk) 19:29, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Wrong statistics used for Mobile AL PLEASE HELP!
Can someone help me and edit this page? The wrong statistics were used and Mobile, AL shouldn't be at the top of this list and I'm tired of correcting people.

https://mynbc15.com/news/local/wrong-crime-stats-used-to-rank-mobile-2nd-most-dangerous-in-country

The list Forbes published is based on analysis MoneyGeek performed using 2021 crime statistics reported to the FBI and academic research on the cost of crime. It showed Mobile was more dangerous than cities with higher murder rates like Birmingham, Baltimore, Memphis, Detroit, and Cleveland. Somehow incorrect crime rates were reported to the FBI and then used in the analysis. There were 51 murders in 2021, not 111. There were 168 rape cases, not 584, 205 robberies, not 516 and just under 1,500 assaults, not nearly 5,000. Looneytunez188 (talk) 19:59, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

the chart no longer responds to resorting by any particular column heading.
the chart no longer responds to resorting by any particular column heading. 47.153.162.64 (talk) 20:34, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Garden City, Kansas error
Garden City Kansas is listed as having a population of 391,084 people when in reality it has only 28,151 (as per the 2020 census, anyway). Looking at the other statistics for this city, I think the wrong place is listed. Johnkhc (talk) 22:47, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

I agree, I think it's probably supposed to be Wichita, Kansas; the population lines up and I know Wichita has a higher than average crime rate, so the omission is a bit odd. I don't want to change it without a source but I'm almost certain that's the mistake. TempestSounds (talk) 20:14, 27 October 2023 (UTC)