Talk:List of University of North Texas alumni

A note on additions to this page
People do not qualify for this list just by virtue of having gone to the University of North Texas. Note that it is for notable or encyclopedic individuals; see Wikipedia guidelines on who would qualify as "notable."

If you're adding YOUR OWN name to this list, that's probably a sign that it doesn't qualify and shouldn't be there. Remember that Wikipedia is not a vanity press. — Hedgey42 20:29, 12 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Explain how a "web comic" artist is granted eligibility but a "web poet" published in print as well, is not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.210.57.122 (talk • contribs)


 * Both artists have had print compilations of their comics published by a third party. Their sites appear to meet Wikipedia's website-specific notability guidelines. Fully developed Wikipedia entries exist for Milholland, his comic Something Positive, and Kurtz's comic; the latter two are among the examples cited in Wikipedia's webcomic entry, and are cited as being among the most popular using a quantifiable method (Alexa listings — scroll down on the article). For the record, I'm not a webcomic fan, was not previously familiar with these guys' work, and didn't add them to the list.


 * I'll reiterate the statement above that Wikipedia is not a vanity press. One of Wikipedia's guiding principles is that editors — even anonymous ones — avoid editing articles for purposes of self-promotion or self-interest. We recently had a high-profile example of this, involving edits made to Congress members' articles from/by their offices; as a result, that IP was blocked.


 * It's not personal — look in this page's edit history and you'll notice that other folks have added their names to the list (and had them deleted). Unfortunately, under Wikipedia's guidelines, you simply do not qualify as "encyclopedic." I don't, either — guess we'll both have to try a little harder. ;) — Hedgey42 06:33, 2 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I have third-party punlishing credits. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.112.136.100 (talk • contribs)


 * They're not mentioned on your site, and a lot of people have had single works published in anthologies, journals or magazines. And even if you are notable under Wikipedia's guidelines, you are committing a gross violation of said guidelines in editing articles for purposes of self-promotion or self-interest — one that can result in your being blocked. AGAIN, Wikipedia is not a vanity press. —Hedgey42 18:37, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

I think you're just showing favoritism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.112.136.100 (talk • contribs)


 * Please at least try to make non-ad hominem arguments for this person's inclusion -- and please try to read and apply the guidelines in making the argument. Any further failure to do so will be construed as bad faith vandalism.  --Nlu (talk) 07:36, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

That was not intended as a ad-hominem argument. It seems the Wikipedia criteria are quite subjective... Several entries on this list beg for "proof" that they are encyclopedic. Jean Andrews- what has she written and illustrated? Rogers Cadenhead? So what if either of them has a couple of books published? I know several folks with computer/tech books published who aren't on this list. Looks like both of them wrote his/her own entry both on this page as well as a personal one in Cadenhead's case. He's done nothing of "encyclopedic" import. Local radio personalities are hardly encyclopedic, so Dunham, Miller, Martin should be outsed- hardly important on any basis but locally- no encyclopedia is going to list them. G. Harvey- why is this person listed? I'd wager most people haven't heard of him/her. I still say the web-comic people are hardly encyclopedic. Who the heck is Michael Lark? Wende Zomnir, a creative director? COME ON! I can see a CEO/President, but my job is on the same level as a CD. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.44.193.41 (talk • contribs)
 * OK, so I've reviewed the list and removed/updated a few names — though several of the ones you mention stay on there. Many of the names that are/were here are drawn from the university's official list of famous alumni — if you have a problem with a certain person's inclusion on THAT list, take it up with UNT.
 * Note that I'm not the only person editing this page (though it may appear that way, due to my having to repeatedly revert vandalism). Note also that finding supposed "loopholes" will not make you any more likely to get on the list. —Hedgey42 02:05, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Wow, now you've decided to make it personal! Excellent work, Hedgey42. I never intimated it was "only you" editing the list, that sounds like a case of insecurity to me. Have you ever considered therapy? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.44.193.41 (talk • contribs)

OK Hedg & co.- now I'm an official user of this website, just as your lawyer pal told me I should be via phone. Tell me, how does one post comics on the web and make it here but not poetry on the web? Still don't get that, and it's not really a "loophole". Advise, please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brickabrackafirecracka (talk • contribs)

Encyclopedic? Notable? Noted? Famous?
I think the point of this list is that the people on it should be noted, not merely notable. I am a former UNT student and a high school teacher. I believe that high school teacher is a notable profession, but I am not a noted high school teacher (it's just my first year, give me time!). This list should include people whose names are recognized by a large population or at least a large segment of people familiar with their (reasonably mainstream) claim to fame. Applejuicefool 17:06, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Here due to the RfC - Seems to me that there are a number of folks on the list who are 'borderline' in terms of notability. And a number of these who have one-liner not-even-close-to-stub articles associated with them. My bias is I'm somewhat of an inclusionist, to the extent of saying benefit of the doubt should fall on the side of including, especially when we are including into a list where the bar has been set reasonably low already. Normally I would say, wait until someone else puts him on the list, but the argument that others have self-published here & thus the precedent has been set is quite valid. Bottom line is, we are 'definitely' currently wasting more time, serverspace & bandwidth arguing about it than his one line on a list is going to 'possibly' waste.Bridesmill 17:54, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Title
"List of UNT people"? Why can't it be "Notable UNT Alumni" or something of that nature? Thechuck 14:55, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Why not indeed? Be bold! Make it so! --ubiquity 20:41, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. "List of UNT people" sounds insulting to their intelligence. Basketball110 02:14, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Order of names
In what order are the names? I've tried to figure it out, but couldn't. Alphanothingical or just Nothingical? Basketball110 02:16, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

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How about Billy Harper? 2603:8080:A402:B2C9:5514:A3EF:7BC5:715D (talk) 04:03, 1 April 2023 (UTC)