Talk:List of Upper Canada College alumni

I don't get why my pt on Brendan Fraser not completing his final yr got changed. There was an article on his move in the Toronto Star a while ago. If that's the case, Conrad Black's note on his expulsion should be removed as well. --Madchester 03:36, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree, I don't get the double standard. The person who created the page ism't doing a good job with  :the consistency of the article.

--24.100.186.118 01:06, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Eric Barton is not a medical doctor, although he is quite a prominent businessman, he holds no medical degree. He has an undergrad and did some graduate work in theology. Eric Barton's bio 99.133.161.239 (talk) 00:02, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Irrelevant and misleading inclusion of "..... graduate"
I removed ".... graduate" portions from some alumni's lines. I think it is irrelvant. How important is the fact that a person went on to Harvard? Just graduating from Harvard, Oxford does not guarantee success, and inclusing those lines makes the article look silly and immature. It makes the article look as though it was written by some immature and unthoughtful students. I have visited the wikipedia alumni pages of Eton, Westminster, Choate, Deerfield and so on, and I couldn't find such silly expressions anywhere. (When of course, they produced hundreds of Oxbridge, Harvard, Yale graduates) I don't understand why students at Upper Canada College would want to make themselves look 'cheap'. Of course, if an alumnus became a faculty member at say, Harvard, that should be mentioned, but otherwise, no. Just look at other wikipedia pages of prestigious private schools and think for yourself. Furthermore, many of those alumni who had "... graduate" tags on, in fact received university education from Canadian institutions as well. (very often, undergraduate education from Canadian universities like Toronto, McGill, Queen's) So saying that someone is "an Oxford graduate" when he/she did her undergraduate work at Toronto for instance, is wrong. Is it even the case that Canadian young students themselves view Canadian higher education as much inferior to those of the UK or the States? I hope not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.151.162.141 (talk) 19:28, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Admission to those schools is a greater achievement than receiving entry into other post-secondary institutions. This list also includes the graduates accomplishments; it'd be hard to argue, I imagine, that getting into Harvard, Oxford, Yale, or Cambridge is not a noteworth accomplishment. What's done at other lists isn't terribly relevant to this one.
 * PS- please sign your posts. -- Ħ   MIESIANIACAL  19:47, 4 March 2010 (UTC)


 * But graduating from the University of Toronto, for instance, I would argue is a great achievement as well, since a huge number of influential Canadians graduated from that university. I guess you really want to make the school look cheap. Is this a Canadian school or an American, British one? "What's done at other lists isn't terribly relevant to this one." Well it is much relevant. I thought Upper Canada College is seen as the Canadian version of Eton College. But viewing this article and your comment, maybe not.
 * Plus, if you're going to keep those silly "... graduate" tags (that are in fact, used for advertising secondary schools mostly), do it properly. Do not state lies. If a person did go to Toronto, McGill or Queen's, say it.
 * How old are you by the way?
 * If you aren't in a secondary school, aren't you too old to judge or praise/honour people based on which university they went to?
 * Furthermore, the alumni often didn't in fact receive their undergraduate education from Oxford, but from other institutions, often Trinity College at Toronto. If the person didn't go on to Oxford for undergraduate education right after graduating from Upper Canada College, how is it even the school's achievement? When the person went to Oxford for postgraduate work, it is the education he/she got at the University of Toronto that enabled him/her to go there. (What did UCC do other than enabling him/her to go to U of T?) (talk) 19:28, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you have a point to make? Or are you just here to be condescending and obnoxious? I might be inclined to agree with the removal of mention of the universities. But I'm certainly not going to be convinced by either your bullying disregard for the necessity of consensus, or your entirely truculent attitude. -- Ħ   MIESIANIACAL  05:15, 5 March 2010 (UTC)


 * My point is, (unless you're extremely thick, you must have understood it by now) that the ".... graduate" tages must be removed if this wikipedia page is to be taken seriously.
 * I hope UCC is not that desperate.
 * ".... graduate" is indeed used by some schools for advertising. Even when they do so though, the university mentioned is where the alumnus went to after graduating from their school. (talk) 19:28, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

You even included some plain lies in the list. Quaadri never went to Oxford, but went to U of T Medical School. WIKIPEDIA IS NOT WHERE YOU DO WHATEVER YOU WANT BASED ON YOUR EMOTIONS AND VOLITIONS NOR IS IT WHERE YOU DEMONSTRATE FALSE AND POINTLESS ACADEMIC BOOSTERISM! (talk) 19:28, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * First, read WP:BRD; once you have been reverted, leave the article alone and discuss the changes you wish to make. If you keep reverting, you'll be blocked for edit warring. If it's a matter of an incorrect statement, provide a source that proves your correction to be valid and the error can be quickly rectified.
 * And, one more time: sign your posts. There's a button at the top of your edit window that does the task for you, properly. -- Ħ   MIESIANIACAL  05:39, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you even read my comments? Do you even ever listen other people?
 * "Provide sources"? Why don't you do it for your "... graduate" lines first? Quaadri for instance, never even went to Oxford. And when a person went to University of Toronto as well (especially for undergraudate studies), that needs to be mentioned.
 * If proper inclusions aren't going to be done (which I wouldn't necessarily do), "... graduate" thing better be eliminated.
 * Why do you want to degrade your alma mater, University of Toronto so much by the way? --142.151.162.141 (talk) 05:48, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The whole article needs sources, in case you didn't notice the banner at the head of the page in your haste to revert and throw tantrums. That doesn't mean you're excluded from being required to provide one. -- Ħ   MIESIANIACAL  14:16, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

References for Jay Hodgson
http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Records-Field-Recording-Practice/dp/1441156070/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1282229913&sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.ca/Rock-Canadian-Perspective-Larry-Starr/dp/0195427610/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1282229997&sr=8-1

http://www.fieldguidetorecordingpractice.com/

http://www.music.uwo.ca/faculty/bios/jHodgson.html

http://communications.uwo.ca/com/western_news/profiles/pop_goes_the_%27jazz_great%27_dream_20070201436127/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.250.17.65 (talk) 15:01, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for those. But, again, why is he notable? -- Ħ   MIESIANIACAL  16:58, 19 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Changed my mind on how to approach this. In order to answer your question to the best of my ability, please define "notable" within the parameters of this alumni page?  What criteria does each person on the list meet?  Thx
 * I imagine we follow WP:SPIP: "The barometer of notability is whether people independent of the topic itself (or of its manufacturer, creator, author, inventor, or vendor) have actually considered the topic notable enough that they have written and published non-trivial works of their own that focus upon it – without incentive, promotion, or other influence by people connected to the topic matter." Admittedly, I'm no music expert; but, I can't find any sources that really meet the above criteria; some university newsletters is about all. -- Ħ   MIESIANIACAL  23:51, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Notability (aka WP:NOTE, of which WP:SPIP is a section) gives guidelines for whether a topic deserves its own Wikipedia article. Professor Hodgson need not meet those guidelines merely to be put on this list. To suggest or insist that he must is a misapplication of them.

That said, I think that a reasonable case could be made that Hodgson is "notable" in Wikipedia's special sense -- that an article on him would be warranted. It takes only a trivial amount of googling to discover that he is a fairly stellar young Canadian academic: at 30, a full professor at a major Canadian university, author of an award-winning Ph.D dissertation and two books. That considered, I don't see any good cause why his mere inclusion in this list is meeting resistance. I think, though, that he rightly belongs among the academics, given that it is as an academic that he has made a mark. -- 205.250.69.234 (talk) 02:52, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Inconsistencies with other articles
I randomly looked up the articles on 4 men listed under visual arts, all notable figures. In every case, the date of birth information shown in this list was inconsistent with that listed in their individual biographical articles, to a difference as great as 18 years. It's possible many other listees are affected. 75.172.173.78 (talk) 21:42, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Who said the dates in this article are dates of birth? Odd that 18 years old is just about the age one graduates from high school. Hmm... -- Ħ   MIESIANIACAL  22:47, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I strongly recommend organising this page by decade and not by field. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agathotychus (talk • contribs) 18:40, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

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this list was a mess. please source and cite notable additions before re-adding.

be best, Augmented Seventh (talk) 05:29, 10 February 2024 (UTC)