Talk:List of Usenet newsreaders

What is this list for?
What is this list for? What is the difference to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Usenet_clients ? --Hhielscher 09:29, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I hadn't seen the category
 * This groups them by platform which, IMHO, is quite useful
 * This page can list popular clients that don't have articles yet.
 * --Vik Reykja 16:05, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Listing by platform does not make sense to me, Thunderbird is available for Mac, Windows and Unix, Pan runs on Windows and Unix, etc.
 * IMHO the best solution would be to make this a comparisson page, like the ones listed in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Computing_comparison --Hhielscher 08:36, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay, go for it. --Vik Reykja 08:42, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree. Adding details like the price, platform and features (yEnc decoding, binary posting, ect...) would be useful.--Logomachist 02:36, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Listing by platform does not make sense to me...thanks a lot, this happened to be exactly what I came for: a list of Usenet clients for a certain platform.Kar98 00:15, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

MicroPlanet Gravity/SuperGravity
Would be nice to include MicroPlanet Gravity/SuperGravity, if possible also an article on them.

I believe this used to be a moderately popular newsreader; however, a quick google implies that the company no longer develops the product and that it was released as open source, which is now being maintained at SourceForge. -- pne 06:26, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

XPN
Clicking on XPN redirects to WXPN which appears to be a college radio station and not a Usenet client. If I knew more on this subject, I'd correct it myself, but I've learned to not futz with anything I shouldn't.

Nominated for Deletion
This article seems to only be an advertisement for various news clients, and doesn't really serve much of a purpose. As such, I've nominated it for deletion. P3net 17:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

why I removed tag
I do not see how an article can be an advertisement for dozens of competitive products. This list probably meets the WP:LIST criteria--defined group of items, useful classification, more than indiscriminate links. P3bet, please look again and if you still want to delete send to AfD. DGG 00:00, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * How is it any different than Category:Usenet clients? P3net 14:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Because it lists clients that do not have Wikipedia articles about them yet. 207.177.231.9 07:40, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't this be "merged" with Comparison_of_news_clients ? I don't see much added value of this page compared to the comparison page. Also, what's the vendetta against URD? It has been added by multiple persons, yet each time it is removed with the 'notability' reason. How does that compare to above statement that the added value of this page, compared to Category:Usenet clients, is that this page lists clients without Wikipedia articles? Aren't those clients by definition 'lacking notability'? Styck (talk) 18:14, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * URD's developers appear to be the only people interested in adding URD to Wikipedia. Googling for discussion of URD aside from a few freshmeat announcements and Wikipedia topics finds essentially nothing.  Wikipedia isn't supposedly a place to advertise your newest program, but some people insist on arguing the point.  Bye. Tedickey (talk) 19:26, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Split list
The article itself mentions different "types of clients", basically those to use usenet for messages, and those that abuse usenet for filesharing. I think it would be useful to split the list of clients into those two categories, so people looking for a real news client don't end up getting a file downloader with no message functionality. 201.213.37.39 04:17, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Types of Clients
The list in the given section is interesting (but unsourced), and does not relate to the breakdown by sections of the overall topic. With some sources (and removal or qualification of a few of the promotional statements), it might fit in the original newsreader topic. Tedickey (talk) 11:35, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * what do you want to have sourced? it is a list! marke with the cite-template and i will search! -- mabdul 0=* 10:44, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The organization of the three paragraphs (3,4,5) dealing with variations of binary clients appears to be someone's original research. Note that it mentions several clients which have no topics (and is probably written by someone developing an NZB client ;-).  It's also using jargon.  In all of the paragraphs, there are POV-related things such as "virtually unusable", etc. Tedickey (talk) 21:52, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

mutt as a newsreader
See for example Tedickey (talk) 08:55, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

crippleware (GrabIt) as "freeware"
The website says "free download", and the associated topic makes it clear that the "free download" is about all that's free, since it's limited functionality. Perhaps someone will point out that crippleware is equivalent to freeware. TEDickey (talk) 10:55, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * That's funny, because the only feature I can see discussed there that is 'crippled' is that the search functionality it adds only works on the service the creator offers. Otherwise.. it's a freeware newsreader. Nevard (talk) 10:59, 14 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Most of the discussion in GrabIt and its website are devoted to the search feature. The topic indicates that it's a specialized program (only used for downloading binaries).  Without the search feature, it sounds useless. TEDickey (talk) 22:29, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * It's an extension over the features offered by other newsreaders that specialize in downloading binaries. It may be one of the main reasons to use it over other binary downloaders, but that doesn't mean it's not perfectly usable without being signed up for this service. Nevard (talk) 01:53, 15 June 2011 (UTC)


 * That sounds like a divergent opinion (doesn't agree with the topic, and website). WP:RS needed TEDickey (talk) 11:02, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeaaaaah.. and you source 'crippleware' from where, exactly? Nevard (talk) 02:09, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Reading the linked topic, and website - both of which are pretty clear on the intended use. Of course, the linked topic has no third-party sources (perhaps there are none). TEDickey (talk) 09:57, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You could say it's crippleware. But the main features are: 1. Browse and Search newsgroups!(FREE) 2. Automatically repair and extract downloaded binaries! (FREE) 3. SSL support to protect your download traffic! (FREE) 4. NZB file support! (FREE) 5. Easy to use and familiar looking user interface! (FREE). This means browsing/searching the newsgroups doesn't cost anything. This goes like "you've got a huge list and your browsing the entire list, searching for whatever you want". The ONLY thing GrabIt offers that costs money for a subscription is an "Instant Search Feature", like Google. You type in a keyword and it searches through the servers of Shemes.com for the keyword. But that's an extra feature, that's not a main feature. And so it's not crippleware. Because crippleware is software that is made to do something in particular, but it's limited. You can compare it with a game. You can download the entire game for free from the internet, but only have access the 5% of the game map and can only get at level 5. But it can be unlimited if you paid a subscription. The main feature of the game, is the game itself, so that's crippleware. The main feature of GrabIt is to browse/search newsgroups/import NZB files from internetsites, download them, repair them with par-sets, extract the rar files and have fun with the extracted files. All these main features ARE FREE. The "instant search feature" is an extra VIP feature, which doesn't limit the main use of the program. In short: GrabIt is FREE and no crippleware. Anonymous 22:22, 03 November 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.45.91.60 (talk)

This is a ridiculous discussion. Like Newsbin Shemes runs an file search operation on the side. And like Newsbin that costs extra. But unlike Newsbin this binary grabber is free. The search need not be used. GrabIt has been in use for more than a decade. It is somewhat simpler than some of them, but still quite effective and its simplicity is a virtue to many. A new version is due shortly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.191.250.134 (talk) 02:04, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

List's purpose
I came to this page because of the deletion of 40tude Dialog. I then that entry and a number of others which had been removed over time with the edit summary "list entries are not subject to WP:N" which refers to MOS:LIST where the requirements for listed items is specified as 1) verifiable; 2) no original research; 3) neutral point of view – notability is not mentioned. In fact, an argument in many deletion discussions about borderline-notable subjects is that the item can be added to a list, thus re-inforcing the principle that the notability threshold for list items is lower than that for stand-alone articles. Since my edit, a number of entries have again been removed with edit summaries: "remove items without topic" and "trim - please cite guideline before adding clutter". I'm not quite sure what the 1st remark means, but I assume it indicates the author's opinion that only items with a Wikipedia article can be listed; as I pointed out, I think that's not supported by practice or guidelines. I suggest to restore items which are verifiably Usenet newsreaders. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:08, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It seems the editor Tedickey doesn't want to understand the concept of list entries as opposed to article; they keep removing entries by referring to WP:WTAF and don't discuss the matter here. I'm going to restore reasonably well-known newsreaders. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:57, 12 September 2013 (UTC)


 * "It seems": Don't try to put words into someone else's mouth.   What is easy to see is that you have made a point of making rude, hostile remarks, based on your selective interpretation of one of the various guidelines.  Other guidelines cover similar areas (such as WP:REDLINK and WP:WTAF.  Since this is the first "discussion", your "pointed out" has no context. For the reader, see Articles for deletion/40tude Dialog and note that reinstating a redlink to a deleted topic doesn't mesh well with WP:REDLINK. For most of the above, see WP:CIVIL, WP:AGF, etc. TEDickey (talk) 00:40, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Adding BriskBard to this list
First of all, I'm the developer that created BriskBard. BriskBard is a freeware web browser for Windows that also includes a Usenet newsreader and many other Internet clients : email, ftp, irc, news aggregator... It doesn't have a dedicated wikipedia page yet but it's listed in other wikipedia articles about the rendering engines used by web browsers. Let me know if you need more information or links to articles in newspapers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Salvadordf (talk • contribs) 17:26, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Please, include
MicroPlanet Gravity ("Gravity") Open Source Usenet News Reader for Windows SourceForge Project Name: "mpgravity" http://mpgravity.sourceforge.net/

PHP News Reader A Web-based Usenet News Reader written by PHP, support NNTP/NNRP access to News Server. Authentication can be easily configured with flexibility. It also supports the charset conversion between different Chinese charsets, both Traditional and Simplified. https://sourceforge.net/projects/pnews/ http://pnews.iitb.ac.in/doc/index.php — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.44.164.7 (talk) 13:01, 12 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Someone has decided that every entry on this page must possess a Wikipedia article - as if the existence of such a Wikipedia article would be proof of notability or worthiness. Since no one has written an article about Gravity (which was indeed a quite popular newsreader in its day), therefore it has no place here in the Hallowed Lists of Wikipedia. rudra (talk) 21:54, 14 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Can I know who had decided that every entry here must be a reference to an existing Wikipedia article and/or where this decision has been documented? The logic still escapes me, as it does say nor more than “What is not will not be”.--– ꟼsyc ho ㄈhi¢ken 😭  (talk) 12:16, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

See Template:Uw-badlistentry TEDickey (talk) 14:33, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

List of non-notable application software
A recurring problem with this list is its use to promote non-notable applications. See  Adding non-notable list entries  aka 'Template:Uw-badlistentry' as a start. TEDickey (talk) 18:41, 26 August 2023 (UTC)