Talk:List of VFL/AFL pre-season and night series premiers

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What's a night premier? RickK 00:24, Nov 7, 2004 (UTC)


 * A winner of the night premiership, a pre-season competition in the AFL. I've reworded the intro so that it's hopefully a little clearer now. Shane King 00:55, Nov 7, 2004 (UTC)

1 competition or many?
Recently this article (and the numerous copies of it under other titles) has been editted drastically, with most of the changes about the grouping, classifying or titles of the various competitions over the years. My reasons for my latest reverting of BrianBeahr's edits is as follows. Hope all of these edits make sense and that we can make this article better together, not just squabble over the minor details. The-Pope (talk) 23:28, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) This is a list of premiers. It does not need to go into exact detail of name changes, qualifications, etc.  That should all be in the "main" associated article Australian Football League pre-season competition.   The lead paragraph should follow the opening sentence and Stand alone list lead and selection criteria guidelines, stating that This is a complete list of Xs, and it should have a link to the "main" article, which I did add, but it was removed.
 * 2) The phrase National Cup is not used by the AFL, the media or supporters in any manner in relation to these competitions, so it shouldn't be used here. Pre-season Cup, Pre-season competition, pre-season series are all OK, but never "National".
 * 3) The consolation series also seems like a good description of it, but the reference I've added doesn't call it that, just "night Premiership" and "The night series has been described as a 'loser's championship'", so consolation should only be used as a descriptor, not as the title.
 * 4) The use of VFL Night Series and the split between VFL and AFL gives undue weight to the name change and not enough weight to the change from a mid-year series to the pre-season series. The name change was purely cosmetic, the change in the timing was more significant.  On the otherhand, the official AFL annual record books make no distinction/separation between the 'consolation' night series, the 70s/80s night series and the 90s/00s pre-season comp.  All are grouped together.

Double Premierships
Mr 60.240.118.WHYDONTYOUREGISTER seems intent on making the Double Premiership section complicated and hard to read. After persisting with a two table design for a while, he's now moved to a double line design. So, maybe I'm unique in not thinking that it's difficult to read, so can other users please decide whether this is a clear and concise table:

or is this preferable?

is clearer, especially when you consider that the full details are provide in the tables earlier in the article, or in the links provided in the table for the "season proper" Grand Final.The-Pope (talk) 12:58, 15 March 2010 (UTC)