Talk:List of Virtual Console games (Europe)

Listing
I'd suggest, especially as the list grows longer, that the titles are listed alphabetically rather than by date made available for download. Grunners 14:02, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. So be it. I just sorted the lists. Mausy5043 10:25, 6 January 2007 (UTC)


 * MrDrake reverted the change with this comment: "They're listed in order of release date! Same for all other regions, don't change it again!". I find MrDrake's argument seriously lacking and have invited him over for a discussion. Mausy5043 18:58, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I simply changed it because each other VC title page uses the same format. Once there's a lot more games, I'm all for alphabetical order, but for now, just keep it the same everywhere, since there's not that much anyway. MrDrake 21:01, 9 January 2007 (GMT)
 * An alphabetical order is in the long run the better option. I agree that the other VC pages are ordered by release date, but that should not be a reason not to change this one. For example: If the other pages where full of spelling mistakes, that would not mean we didn't have to spellcheck this one. I'll see whether we can change the other pages aswell. Furthermore, changing the order of the entries is a lot of work. That's why I want to change it now when there are still a few. Maintaining it afterwards will then be much easier. As there will be weekly additions the list will grow quickly. Can we agree that we make the order alphabetically and try to do the same with the other VC pages? Mausy5043 07:52, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * As the list grows, putting them into alphabetical order will become a bigger task. The sooner it is done the easier it will be. It should also be done to the other virtual console pages.Mattyatty 20:09, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll try to implement a sortable table. See the Sandbox of Brandon Dilbeck for an example. I'll use this as the guideline. Mausy5043 17:31, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * That's a kickass change, I approve. Great job. MrDrake 20:44, 25 January 2007 (GMT)


 * ...Except it's now gone again. I added the two new games last night and when I tried to order them in a certain way they would stay in the middle for some reason. I left it like that, but now I come back and it's back to the normal table. MrDrake 09:21, 26 January 2007 (GMT)

I reverted back again to the sortable list. The revert was done by an IP without a comment. @MrDrake: The problem with incorrect sorting of the list is due to the fact that you need to change the date twice. Once in the /span display: none 'date' span block, this is used for sorting dates and the second time for the actually displayed date. Sorry, but that's how it works. If things don't work, please don't revert back to an older version without discussion. Usually things can be fixed. Mausy5043 11:57, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

The sortable list is very nice. However, I feel the list should still be divided for different consoles, as this feels very cluttered. Fearnavigatr 14:25, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I've done the layout the same as on the VC (America) page. They've made a separate column for the platform. I copied that layout for reasons of uniformity. I think having 4 seperate tables (one for each platform) will be confusing. Just my €0.02 Mausy5043 16:10, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * How so? Fearnavigatr 19:41, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * In the mean time the US page has changed the layout back to four separate tables. I've kept the single-table layout for now. This way people can see both options and discuss them. Especially on the US talkpage there is no consensus yet, one way or another. I still think that a single table is more useful in the long run. However, I am prepared to split things up, if consensus settles on that option. For now I don't want to change things as long as the discussion is continuing.
 * Why do I think 4 separate tables are confusing? Because, in about a year's time the first table will have grown so much that for the casual reader it may not be immediately obvious that there are three more tables further down the page. The heading (mentioning the platform) of the next table is then easily overlooked if one scrolls quickly down confusing the reader to think he is still watching the previous table and wondering why the sorting is all wrong. If you mention the platform in the table, I think, all the information the reader needs is right there and there will be no need to scroll up and down to find additional info. Mausy5043 12:01, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Having one table is far worse, especially for people looking for games on one particular system. The North American and Japanese tables are perfect, and make the European page look pathetically bad. TJ Spyke 22:21, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Update: I have requested an RfC. I would like to focus this discussion in one location. Please join the discussion here Mausy5043 11:51, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

If your taking requests, I find by release date most useful right now, but I can see why alhpabetical would be nice. Have this weeks releases been announced, since the page is locked.

Domo

SOME Compatibility?
How come some Compatibility says "Some"? It's referring to the game next to it, not the system's games as a whole. MrDrake 15:14, 1 February 2007 (GMT)
 * I have no idea. I don't have access to a Wii, yet. At the moment I don't really care about the content, just the layout. The change was made by an IP. If you think it is inappropriate, feel free to change it. Mausy5043 16:52, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

"Some" means that the game's had it's borders fixed but still runs 17% slower than it should. JedEgan 17:55, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * For the casual reader that was entirely unclear. Perhaps, we should use footnotes or topnotes to indicate which problems are applicable. For example, (1) = has black borders; (2) = runs slower. Or use icons or whatever to clarify the nature of the problems, in stead of just putting in "Yes" or the more mysterious "Some". Mausy5043 08:07, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I was referring to the controller compatibility, not the PAL conversion issues. It´s a bit odd to list controller compatibility for one game as "Some", when that only counts for the games for one system as a whole (Though right now there´s no system with a game where the remote works, AND a game where it doesn´t). MrDrake 09:35, 5 February 2007 (GMT)
 * Using Super Mario World as an example ... you can use a GC controller, but jump is on B and run is on Y, so it's not easy to hold both at the same time. I think "some" (or rather "partial") is valid in that case.  Tim 16:07, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Games on both lists
There are two games i have found that are on both the available games list, and the expected games list that have the same name, and i assume they are the same game. They are: Baseball and SimCity 81.145.241.130 20:15, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I would have to disagree, though it is similar in some cases. Up until early this year Turbo Grafx games were not available in Australia. Now the games are not released in tandem anymore. It has been either staggered or not released at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.239.18.171 (talk) 19:23, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

PAL-conversation
I think we should include proper PAL-conversion in the list. That is: Does the game run in 50 or 60Hz, and if it's 50Hz, is is properly converted to run at the same speed as the NTSC-releases? Pikachu025 14:54, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

PEGI ratings
The PEGI rating information is unclear to me. For example in the list Super Mario Bros. is listed at 3+. However, when I look on http://www.pegi.info/pegi/index.do it says (right there on the home page; today: 6-jan-2007) under the Fresh Games listing Super Mario Bros (VC) as 7+ (6+ for Portugal). I haven't looked at others yet, but I expect other games to have different listings also. I'd like to know the source for the 3+ rating. And how this compares to the rating on the PEGI site. Mausy5043 10:59, 6 January 2007 (UTC) As per the above, I have reviewed all the games listed on this page using the rating information on www.pegi.info. Where appropriate I have updated the ages. I found that most games were correct. Only a few needed to be up-rated from 3+ to 7+ and just one was up-rated from 3+ to 12+. I propose to use the PEGI-website information in stead of the information on the packaging as the website is updated in case of reclassification and your packaging is not. Mausy5043 17:17, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Future Releases
Looking at the Wii Shop Channel server in Firefox, it looks like you guys are getting Soldier Blade soon. --Cheesemeister3k 05:21, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Found anything for this week yet? MrDrake 15:09, 1 February 2007 (GMT)


 * Actually, did some looking around myself and I found out we should be getting Gradius tomorrow. The American pictures for it are here, if you change two specific digits in the URL to access the European pictures for the games, you'll get this. It's the same for Bonanza Bros., Comix Zone and Gain Ground (Though we already knew we were getting those). MrDrake 19:40, 1 February 2007 (GMT)


 * Ha, see, I was right. MrDrake 11:03, 2 February 2007 (GMT)


 * I didn't find them personally, but according to a person on NeoGAF, we should be getting Zelda II: Adventure of Link, Super Mario World and (already confirmed) Vigilante tomorrow, and possibly R-Type III. MrDrake 19:37, 8 February 2007 (GMT)

New List
Absolutely awful. It should go back to how it was. It was much clearer before; now, it is far too hard to see which game is from which console. 80.43.49.57 23:20, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The console is mentioned right after the game's title in the column "System". When you find the game of your choice just move your eyes slightly to the right to find the console for which the game was released. Not too hard I'd say. ;-) No need to scroll all the way back up the table to find the cell mentioning the console. At this moment that might not be too difficult. But, with on average two games added each week, imagine how easy a sortable table will be in a few months time and how difficult it will be to implement one then. I spent about two hours, copying and pasting to make the table as it is now. So, I'd appreciate some very good arguments before reverting to the old one. Mausy5043 16:28, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the system is listed on the right. But each system isn't divided into categories, they just blend together into one horrible stream of games and yukky colours. 80.43.49.57 22:53, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Your objections are noted. On the VC (America) page they have changed the table again. More in line with your proposal, I think. I want to wait a while and see how that layout is received. See how both versions fare and then make a choice. For now I think the current solution is better, but I understand it may be suffering from the V2000 syndrome. Let's see how things develop. Mausy5043 07:10, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

I use Wikipedia's Virtual Console lists a lot, as I keep a list of my own on a forum, and this new layout... it's an atrosity, IMO.--The last sheikah 22:03, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

It would be smarter to list if alphabetically instead of per system if you want a one table. 00:38, 2 February 2007 (UTC)~

go to youtube to learn more about the wii firefox hack ;)

But the point is, we don't want one table. And learn to sign, FFS.--The last sheikah 19:38, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't have the impression that "we don't want one table". There clearly is no consensus yet. Also not on the US page. So, nothing will be changed for now. Mausy5043 17:19, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The current layout is horrible. It's way too cluttered and looks terrible. Take a look at the North American and Japanese pages for how the tables SHOULD look. TJ Spyke 22:19, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I think it is beautiful. It's nicely organised and looks great. The European page shows you how the table should look... ;-) As I said before I'd appreciate some good arguments to make the change. Sofar, no arguments at all have been presented. It all seems to revolve around personal taste. Mausy5043 12:10, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it does all seem to revolve around personal taste, but you don't have any real arguments for your own side. Think about it- when people are thinking of a game they're going to download, I for one remember its system more than its name. If someone's looking at this list, it's likely to choose which game to download. They're more likely to choose to look at games from a certain system (Because of the prices) than to look at all the games beginning with a certain letter. One table may seem easier and less cluttered, but really, it's just all the games thrown into an order that doesn't really have any relevance. --The last sheikah 16:59, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Update: I have requested an RfC. I would like to focus this discussion in one location. Please join the discussion here Mausy5043 11:51, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Mario Kart and soldier blade
Not sure how to do it myself but mario kart and soldier blade have been added.

Note on Mario Kart 64
Maybe we should make a note on the page for Mario Kart 64, that you can't save ghost data. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.195.237.65 (talk) 17:14, 26 January 2007 (UTC).
 * It is mentioned on the game's page. No need to mention it here aswell. Mausy5043 17:28, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Game Sizes?
Maybe we can think about adding the size the game takes up in the Wii's Channel data. I already know (Since I own them): Soldier Blade: 31, Super Star Soldier, Alien Crush and Dungeon Explorer: 30, Gunstar Heroes, Bomberman '93 and SimCity: 34, Super Castlevania IV: 48, Sonic the Hedgehog, Bonk's Adventure: 29, Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine: 33. -MrDrake, 14:10 (GMT)
 * I must say that I tend to lean towards a No. Perhaps it would be better to mention this on the game's page instead. On the other hand it does seem to be WP:TRIVIA and WP:OR, and thus not fit. I wonder what others think. Mausy5043 09:21, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe a seperate page could work. If all regions have the same sizes, then we could just make one big page for all countries listing sizes only. MrDrake, 20:02, 30 January 2007 (GMT)
 * I have no objections to a separate page (ga je gang). Maybe others will, if the info is WP:TRIVIA and WP:OR. Make sure you can supply sources for your information. Mausy5043 11:51, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's the only problem, I can't seem to find a single site which lists sizes. Would simply saying it can be found in the Wii's Channel data count as a source? MrDrake 17:43, 31 January 2007 (GMT)
 * That would be original research. Mausy5043 18:35, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * There is already a separate page for sizes here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sizes_of_Virtual_Console_titles and its being considered for deletion. Mattyatty 19:28, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I made it. I think it's up for deletion though. MrDrake 12:23, 8 February 2007 (GMT)
 * I really think that game size should be on Wikipedia. Ran4 13:03, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * We've had that discussion already. Community consensus was that it should not be on Wikipedia. Look here for the discussion log. Mausy5043 18:10, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

February 9
What happened to the feb9 addings? They have been removed... It was Vigilante (TG), Zelda II (NES) and Super Mario World (SNES). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.213.119.127 (talk) 11:57, 12 February 2007 (UTC).
 * They were still there when I just looked. Mausy5043 12:21, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Super Mario World (SNES) is still missing from the page, but the other two Feb. 9 games are on there. I was gonna add SMW back on the page but I'm not very fimilar with how to do the layout (I'm still very new to all of this) Neo Samus 16:04, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I made the changes, but I don't know how to link titles to their own page (i.e. linking the name "Super Mario World" to it's own article page). Also I don't know if it has PAL conversion issues or not (I'm not from Europe sorry). Please someone help when you have the chance.Neo Samus 16:16, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Unavailable games that are on the server
Some guys over at the NeoGAF forums (Spefically the topic here ) have been looking around the Wii Shop's server to find games of which the ROM data is on the server, while the game cannot be bought yet. I've added these in a seperate table under Future Release, please say if that's ok with you. MrDrake 19:29, 14 February 2007 (GMT)

I've tried looking myself and I cannot find those games? I have gotten the American pictures easily but when I change the country's digits to Europe (50) I get nothing? yamiiguy 15:23, 15 February 2007 (GMT)

Those games were not found via pictures, but through the actual games themselves being on the server. All their pictures ARE up, though. R-Type III, New Adventure Island, Kirby's Adventure and Excitebike. Look around the topic on NeoGAF for some more information. Also, who removed the information on the article? MrDrake 20:01, 15 February 2007 (GMT)

I don't know who removed it but wouldn't it be classed as Original Research? yamiiguy 21:47, 15 February 2007 (GMT)

The server is not a source, Super Mario World was up for 2 weeks before it was released, I'm willing to bet they are right but they aren't a source yamiiguy 22:54, 1 March 2007 (GMT)

Super Mario World was up 2 weeks before it was released in America, the European pictures did not come until the day before the actual release. MrDrake 15:00, 5 March 2007 (GMT)

No info on Super Mario RPG: Can someone remove it?
Can some remove SMRPG from the future releases section?

I'm not denying it's release for Europe but there is no source or confirmation. I think this conclusion was drawn from the "PAL VC could see NTSC games" article. I can't edit it because I am using my Wii console because I cannot access my computer at the moment and I cannot edit something with too much text. WikiLoco 04:35, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Never mind now, MrDrake removed it. WikiLoco 02:53, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Could someone link me to the source for those SEGA games?
We all know they're coming out, but I can't seem to find the source for them. I can't seem to find them on the USK website, but I haven't looked around there all too much. I'll assume that there is a source for now, but I'm just checking someone didn't add them because they're going to be on there, not because they found them somewhere. 121.208.68.212 21:09, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Sega issued a press release recently stating "Sega of America and Sega Europe will soon be adding these games to Virtual Console...", and it was sent to various gaming sites. I don't think the whole release has been posted anywhere though. But yeah, they're definitely confirmed. MrDrake 19:37, 27 February 2007 (GMT)

Sega Europe now issued the same press release, which was posted on NeoGAF's forums, which I've listed under references. MrDrake 18:18, 19 March 2007 (GMT)

Super Mario Bros PAL conversion
Why isn't this title listed as having pal conversion issues? The time in the game is going twice as fast as it should. Zero Dogg 22:32, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Because you didn't add it? ;-) ʍαμ$ʏ5043 17:30, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * VC-Reviews (www.vc-reviews.com) suggested it could perhaps be the Super Mario Bros. + Duck Hunt version of SMB, which does in fact run twice as fast. I can confirm this. MrDrake 19:32, 10 March 2007 (GMT)
 * So it is suppose to be that way then, even for non-PAL? Zero Dogg
 * Most likely. MrDrake 11:32, 14 March 2007 (GMT)
 * I've got Super Mario Bros. and I've got The Lost Levels, and when I compare them both, The Lost Levels is definitely superior, as Super Mario Bros.'s graphics look squashed and the music runs too quickly, compared to The Lost Levels. --Someone Else&#39;s Problem 14:25, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

OFLC
Do you think we should cite the OFLC? I see Mr. Drake has added OFLC rated games to the Future Releases saying that they get the same games as us except TG, but can we sure it will stay like that in the future? Yamiiguy 13:20, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * If it ever changes, then we can just remove them. But every single update so far has been the same for Europe and Australia (Save, as said, TG games), so for now, it seems incredibly likely we're getting those games as well. MrDrake 10:31, 16 March 2007 (GMT)

Source for Mario & Yoshi, Lylat Wars and Yoshi's Story?
Could someone direct me to a source for these three games. I have a feeling its just vandalism, but I'm not sure. 60.226.175.68 07:07, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Alright, I just found Mario & Yoshi on the OFLC database... but what about those two N64 games? Just vandalism? 60.226.175.68 07:18, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Starfox 64 is on the ESRB (for the US) but I don't know about Yoshi's Story 88.108.173.87 14:40, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Yoshi's Story hasn't been confirmed anywhere that I know of. Probably just another person who assumes it's coming out. MrDrake 18:17, 19 March 2007 (GMT)

So, Lylat Wars? It has alredy been rated by the OFLC (back in 1997) so that can't be the source. So its either PEGI, USK, or logic? 60.226.175.68 20:36, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

It's been rated by the PEGI, although it's misspelled as "Lyalat Wars". MrDrake 11:10, 4 April 2007 (GMT)

Dates in International style
International style is to have te date first, then the month, then the year. However, if you don't like this, the page will automatically change it if you set your preferred date style in your preferences. Having the date in the European format is useful for non-registered visitors or people who haven't set their preferences. Tim (Xevious) 09:59, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The date is added to the table as follows:

2006-12-08 8 December, 2006 As you will notice the date is mentioned twice. The first part: 2006-12-08 ... Must be in this particular format to allow sorting by date. The second part: ... 8 December, 2006 Is the displayed date. For non-registered users this is how it will display. For registered users it will display in the format as configured in the users's preferences. ʍαμ$ʏ5043 16:21, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Time of release
"However, now the games are released around 3 PM GMT (4 PM CET)." I was under the impression that this was only for this week, what with tomorrow being Good Friday? I suppose we'll find out next week whether the change is a one-off or permanent, but it'd be best to find out before then. Cipher (Talk to the hand) 17:31, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Could be because of Good Friday, but I'm personally hoping this is a permanent change. 4 PM GMT (Sorry, had it wrong) is a much, much better time to update at than midnight. NoE's site says nothing about the earlier time, so we'll have to wait until the next update to see. MrDrake 19:06, 5 April 2007 (GMT)

Commodore 64 Games?
Where's the confirmation for this? Why is it only a European release? If it is true, then why isn't Commodore 64 mentioned anywhere on the main Virtual Console page? I'd tend to think it's unsubstantiated rumour, but what do I know? 74.38.67.189 23:07, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

In the article for Impossible Mission, there's a link to a source. And some quick searches on Google brings up sites to confirm the rereleases of old Epyx games by System 3, which has apparently even been mentioned in Nintendo Power. I also took a look at the Australian OFLC site, and there is indeed a semi-recently rated Impossible Mission there, listed under "multi platform" (which all VC and Wii games are listed as, while DS games are not, and I doubt this refers to the upcoming Wii, DS and PSP remake, as I can't find any indication that the game is finished and was ready to be rated back in January) Personally, I believe Nintendo Norway, they may have done a blunder and spilled the beans on intended secret information (it's clearly listed under upcoming VC titles, and it clearly states to be the Commodore 64 version). I think it should be listed as upcoming for as long it is not fully debunked. Fearnavigatr 01:13, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * All of that stuff said, your link still does not work. Those two sources are hardly confirmation (Find something like IGN...) and nowhere in the past three Nintendo Power magazines has there been anything about any Commodore 64 games being re-released or anything. I had a look at the OFLC website as well, for portable-only games, and found Asphalt Urban GT, a game for N-Gage, DS and PSP listed under "Multi-Platform" By any means, Wikipedia shouldn't be used for speculation, and this at least needs a non-broken link. 60.226.175.68 03:17, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * M'kay, that was odd... Sorry about accusing you for the broken link, for some reason my Firefox browser couldn't open it, but IE worked just fine... So they will be adding it to the VC, or Nintendo of Norway is wrong... still, I don't believe that that rating on the OFLC is for the VC Version of Impossible Mission, as there is no other rating for it, and the other two sources that you provided can't really be used. 60.226.175.68 03:22, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * On the OFLC rating: well what else would it be? PEGI don't add their ratings for games before release (with some exceptions). ESRB doesn't have it, but we don't have any word of a US release yet do we? It says it's a game and that it's published by System 3. And as I've said, the game was rated back in January, likely too soon for a game that's under development as we speak. As for other sources, well, take your pick. Whatever the case is, the main source we have is 100% official, and the words there speak clearly (if you understand Norweigan of course). Fearnavigatr 08:39, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, and from what it seems, the Nintendo Power report dates back to September last year . I don't know how often Nintendo Power is published, but I somehow doubt that'd mean one of the last three issues. Fearnavigatr 10:44, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Have you read that Kotaku source you just gave (The Update at the bottom)? I reckon this is just a rumour going around small gaming blogs, before the Wii was even released. Maybe Nintendo of Norway just made a blunder and believed this rumour? In any case, there's nothing official to say that the C64 will have games on the VC, and there's a million and one valid excuses that can be made against it (Remakes coming out, out-dated rumours, I'm sure I could come up with more...) 60.226.175.68 02:45, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Right, so I e-mailed Nintendo Norway, and it turns out they did in fact mistake it for the upcoming Wii-version. (Though I'm still curious about that OFLC rating.) Now, the question remains about Elevator Action. It's not likely that they mistaked that for anything else, and consider the fact that it's already been released in the States. Fearnavigatr 12:46, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Great, according to the latest Nintendo Power the Impossible Mission remake will be distributed via the Shop Channel.

Component Cable Support
Various VC games are now getting component cable updates, and various new ones have it since arrival. I was wondering if it would be wise to add which games support component cables and which don't. There's a list here (Everything with an asterisk behind it supports it). MrDrake 13:43, 16 April 2007 (GMT)

Time of announcement?
Each Thursday the VC games for the following Friday are added to Nintendo UK's Virtual Console site. Around what hour is that? Wouldn't it be nice information to add to the article? 217.136.167.86 17:05, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

It seems to have been a one off for one week Yamiiguy 20:42, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

majoras mask.
what do you think? is there a chance?
 * Wikipedia isn't a forum. Also, sign your posts. Cipher (Talk to the hand) 22:09, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Wii Points/Split Table
Wii Points for all regions of Virtual Console have Wii Points listed in the table, and the table is split by original system. There are a few people over on the American VC discussion, who are complaining about that format. If they end up being able to ruin the table and remove the Wii Points and split table on there, then it will be easy for them to make a case, and soon all the other regions will have that happen to them. Is that what you want to happen? Lamename3000 18:07, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The prices are universal, with (in this region) R-Type being the only exception. Why should the prices be listed individually if they're all the same anyway and are already covered in the intro? I could see doing this if each game had a unique price, but that's simply not the case. GarrettTalk 21:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * There's loads of games in Japan that cost different prices. It could happen in other regions at any time, especially when games that are "more difficult to acquire" (To quote Nintendo) are going to show up. MrDrake 11:16, 30 May 2007 (GMT)
 * In my opinion, we can add prices when it's necessary, and not before. But it's not actually encyclopedic information, is it?  I'd say it's not needed full-stop.  And in terms of the one/split table argument, I don't care.  I prefer the split tables but at the same time one table is just as useful.  If it were in one table I'd prefer to have some colour coding for systems though.  Tim (Xevious) 16:07, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Request for edit
Could you add China Warrior and Mega Man to the available titles lists as they are available as of today?

The things that need to be done are: Add Mega Man (NES, 500 points, PEGI 7+, PAL conversion issues yes), add China Warrior (TG, 600 points, PEGI 12+, PAL conversion issues no), edit amount of VC games at the top to 103, remove Mega Man/China Warrior from upcoming games, change the date on Bloody Wolf to 29 June 2007, and add Breath of Fire II to upcoming games (PEGI 7+). -MrDrake, 11:44, 22 June (GMT)
 * Mostly done. If you can give me a reliable source for the Breath of Fire II release and tell me which platform to place the game under, I will add it to the Upcoming games section. Shadow1  (talk) 13:30, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. BoF2 was listed on PEGI but I guess it was removed. It's now out in JP and is on the ESRB for NA so I guess we can assume that it is coming here as well (Though of course we can't put it in since it's removed now). -MrDrake, 14:57, 27 June (GMT)
 * So I'm to understand that you no longer want the game to be added? Shadow1  (talk) 15:44, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I would, but it's no longer on PEGI, and I think when a game is gone, we have to remove it from upcoming games. -MrDrake, 17:13, 27 June (GMT)

Page Protection
It's supposed to have expired already, but it's still there. Can somebody with the power to do so remove it so I can edit the page later today with the update? -MrDrake, 18:19, 28 June (GMT)
 * Hello, there's only 30 minutes left. Somebody remove that protection. -MrDrake, 22:29, 28 June (GMT)

Wii Points Consensus on NA
We appear to have finally managed to hammer out an agreement for article formatting in regards to presentation of the Wii Points information. See the discussion thread here. In the interests of keeping uniformity between the articles and preventing another interminable debate here, would the editors of this article be willing to adopt the new format? Your consent would be appreciated. Thanks. --Cheesemeister3k 20:22, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Without objection... --Cheesemeister3k 09:02, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Wave Race 64
I was going to delete this entry....but it came out in NA. It seems almost certain that it will come out this friday....should it stay? Neo Samus 18:22, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

No, we don't know yet. 80.138.65.39 10:52, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Holy cow, you guys didn't get Wave Race 64. Well maybe next week.  ;)  Neo Samus 23:26, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Super Mario 3 and Sonic 3
I am amazed Europe is getting Mario 3 and Sonic 3 when they're not coming to North America. That's incredible. We love those games too. 67.188.172.165 02:37, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

LOL, Now you know how us Europeans feel 80% of the time! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.211.72.3 (talk) 17:08, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Merge with 'List of Virtual Console games (Australia)
I see no reson to keep the European and Australina lists seperet anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.213.141.98 (talk) 16:34, August 28, 2007 (UTC)
 * PEGI and OFLC ratings are different, and Australia got all Turbografx games from launch to the start of August later than us, so we'd have to make a whole mess of additional columns, which would be too much work for too little. I say leave the two pages seperate for now. -User:MrDrake, 19:10, September 1, 2007 (UTC)

Master of Illusion
This game appeared on the OFLC on the 4th of September, along with that last batch of Ninja Jajamaru-kun, Gradius III and Sin and Punishment. I'm not too sure if its a VC game, but I'm guessing it must be the english name for a Japanese game or something. Any ideas which console its for? The developer's Eighting, if that helps any. 121.208.168.126 11:50, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It is confirmed to be the new name of the DS game Nintendo Magic. -MrDrake, 21:54, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Source for SMB2j only being available through September...?
I can't seem to find a source for this. Can someone add one? For now, I'll tag it. Y0u | Y0ur talk page 01:48, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


 * If that's true then that's interesting. I wonder if something like that will happen in the US?  Neo Samus 02:51, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

EU 21/9 and 28/9 releases confirmed
http://kotaku.com/gaming/hanabi-festival/ Someone should update the page... I would, but I don't know how to format the tables or cite it really... Y0u | Y0ur talk page 03:02, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Addition of TurboGrax CD titles
http://uk.wii.ign.com/articles/820/820142p1.html Reference for latest addition 172.203.52.23 21:35, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Sin and Punishment Translation
In the Notes sections, there's a bit about Sin and Punishment not being translated specifically because it was release on VC, but that it was translated during the N64 days, even though it was never released outside of Japan, and that the unreleased translated game was simply put up on the VC with no extra work being put into it. Is there any evidence to back this up? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Josh7289 (talk • contribs) 02:19, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

It seems like the version on the VC is a new partial translation by Nintendo Software Technology, as evidenced by the translation credits in its instruction manual. I doubt that it is the alleged original unreleased version, because I've never seen any proof of the existence of a translated or semi-translated N64 original, although it was allegedly planned for a Western release in 2001.

The actual game is the proof. But hey, if you don't want to play that one, Nintendo said it themselves on the Super Smash Bros. Dojo when they introduced the Saki ... Assist Trophy. 217.136.219.123 (talk) 20:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * All he said on the blog was that the original game (Sin and Punishment) has all English voice acting. He didn't say anything about the game itself (TEXT) being translated into English before it's release on the Virtual Console.
 * That said, can you tell me what the credits for the VC release of the game say? Do they say something like "translation copyright 2007" or something similar?--Josh7289 (talk) 00:50, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it actually does state something along the lines of "This additional staff was responsible for the Virtual Console translation of the menus, ending, tutorials, and production of the manual." and then goes on to list various programmers from NST, and localization staff from NoA and NoE.
 * OK, thanks. I'm going to delete that false information from the main article now.--24.229.109.15 19:21, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

one combined table
I'm just wondering if it would be better to have it as one long table rather than split, and have a format column. The reason is that I would like to be able to sort by date and/or alphabetical order all the games I know its obviously going to be harder to follow the flow but I think its more beneficial Chocobogamer (talk) 02:37, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Decided to go ahead with it as I thought of a way of doing it that will benefit article readers without ruining flow or badly effecting editors :) Chocobogamer (talk) 14:51, 26 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The way you changed the article was awful, and hard to read! Please leave it in line with: List of Virtual Console games, List of Virtual Console games (North America), List of Virtual Console games (Japan) and List of Virtual Console games (Australia).  Doktor  Wilhelm   15:46, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Virtual Console in Total

 * We can't have this section because it contains trivia. For more information see the discussion List of Virtual Console games (North America). Versus22 (talk) 18:27, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm glad its not there, however, what do you mean it contained trivia? Chocobogamer (talk) 10:52, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

One combined PAL VC article
Is there people that wish the Europe and Australia VC pages to merge with each other? I think two seperate articles are unnecessary and one common page is easier to maintain. Check the possible new article in my talkpage...! Ratengo (talk) 01:20, 20 August 2008 (UTC).

Example:


 * I don't like the new format. They're two different regions, as proven by their differences already, such as the Turbografx-16 and Commodore 64 releases and the Axelay/Probotector II switch. The pages are also being maintained effectively now. Also, the format that the dates are being displayed in differs from what is shown on the North American, Japanese and South Korean pages, so that would have to be fixed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.208.168.177 (talk) 20:41, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I can't see why some games and date releases differences shouldn't fit in the same page. The yyyy-mm-dd format is an international standard (ISO 8601) and is going to be implemented in the 'List of Famicom games' page for example. "2008-09-30" takes lesser space than "September 30 2008". I think the other VC regions pages should change the date format too. Ratengo (talk) 06:46, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


 * @Ratengo, I like your suggestion. Combining PAL/US/JAP would be a waste of time but the EU and Australian releases are very similar and it makes sense to combine them. The example table you created looks like the perfect solution. I like the dates, they would make it easier to Ctrl-F through the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.80.116 (talk) 23:08, 21 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I must admit that I'm surprised over the low response to my suggestion (only two answers so far). How many thousands of people is actually reading the EU or AU VC pages daily...? Ratengo (talk) 00:05, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

While I wouldn't necessarily want this to happen, I've been wondering why nobody brought this up earlier. I'll leave it up to you guys to decide (because in the end, I couldn't really care less what happens to the articles), but if the tables were to be merged, would it be better to put the dates like "2006-12-08", or "Dec. 8 2006"/"8 Dec. 2006" for split tables? Ace of Jokers (talk) 09:01, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Um, three comments so far. Okay, I suppose that the pages can be merged during the weekend. Ratengo (talk) 13:47, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


 * While I still don't necessarily agree with it, I guess there isn't much of a problem if you see it fit to do so. Just a few things to note when merging the two lists: Firstly, the developer column for the European page has a few errors that have gone unchecked, while the Australian page is as perfect as I can make it when it comes to developer listings. I would prefer it if you used the developer list from the Australian page when merging so as to avoid the hassle of correcting it all again. Secondly, once again a minor issue, but in your possible article you have Spy vs. Spy listed incorrectly in the Future Releases table. This game can neither be released in Australia (and thus should be listed as unreleased) nor has a G rating by the OFLC. Finally, I'm not sure what other editors think about the listing of Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels - I personally prefer what I have done with the Australian page and have its release date listed as 14 September, 2007 and read "unavailable from 1 October, 2007 to 22 August, 2008" while the European page reads the opposite, that it was released on August 22, 2008 and was "previously available from September 14, 2007 to October 1, 2007." All three are minor editting inconsistencies, but it would be smoother to iron these out now. Cloud789 (talk) 09:19, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Cloud789, thanks a lot for your viewpoints!! I'll compare the developer columns to each other and correct the errors. Talking about upcoming games; it is clear from the list that 'the primary source is the Australian OFLC' but also '...listed are titles that have received a rating by the pan-European PEGI or have appeared on the German USK'. These ratings are few and Spy vs. Spy is USK-rated since October 15, 2006. If the game is to be released in PAL region, it must obviously be OFLC-rated too. I wonder if an 'expiry date' should be used by Wikipedia, let's say if a game got rated but not released on Virtual Console within two years from the rating date - will it be taken off the list...? Nintendo of Europe's VC site has the release date of SMB:LL as August 22, 2008 with "...Please note that this Virtual Console version was originally available for a limited time only during a previous Hanabi Festival. However, now it is available permanently for everyone to enjoy!" Ratengo (talk) 12:59, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Just checked the developer columns and found a lot of errors in the European page but it should be known that the Australian page has some errors too. These are corrected in my talk page. I also changed the place for SMB:LL, thinking the first release date should be given the priority. Ratengo (talk) 14:07, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Alright, looks pretty good now! Just wondering, are you going to leave the ratings for Probotector II and Axelay just blank like that? It just looks a little... messy to me. I think it would probably look better just to include both ratings on both listings. Also, I noticed that in the total games for both NES and SNES, you include the number for Australia in brackets. So as not to be biased against one or the other, maybe you should just list the SNES total as "There are currently 31 games (30 in Europe) available to purchase." and have both totals as the highest number, as they're both seperate regions. Cloud789 (talk) 07:06, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You're right! EU and AU should be equivalent to each other (I didn't think of it earlier) so the things are fixed now. I also forgot to add the release time for AU: "New games are released on Fridays in Europe at 12:00AM CET (at 1:00 AM CET during daylight saving time) and in Australia at 9:00AM and in New Zealand at 11:00PM AEST." Does AU have one hour's lateral movement during summer time too? And was Ninja Gaiden also released in AU as Shadow Warriors during the 90's? Ratengo (talk) 11:26, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * DST occurs depending on where you live in Australia, confusingly. In Queensland, there's no DST, though elsewhere along the east coast there is. I'd say just add it in as you have the note for DST in Europe. I own the original cart of Shadow Warriors, so I can confirm that it was released as that originally in Australia, the same as in Europe. Hope the merge goes well! When are you planning on it taking place?121.208.168.177 (talk) 11:50, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you! All fixed now and my article seems ready to be published on Wikipedia, but first I'll have to learn how to merge articles. Probably later tonight or tomorrow. Hope it goes well! ^_^ Ratengo (talk) 15:19, 29 August 2008 (UTC)