Talk:List of Virtual Console games for Wii (North America)/Archive 5

The Wii Shop Server Screenshot Topic
I archived the last one, but it was titled something about January 29th updates so no one was probably still reading it anyway.

Excitebike is still outstanding from last week, and Bio-Hazard Battle has been added. -Arcanelore 02:44, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Let the revert wars continue, here's Chew Man Fu -Arcanelore 06:05, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Sigh, I know at least one person is going to add that for next weeks release because of this. It's bad enough people keep changing it now. TJ Spyke 06:06, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Zelda: Ocarina of Time and Elevator Action. Both easy finds, one being on the article already and all, and the other already having a spot on the European Servers. 121.208.68.212 14:24, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Sword of Vermillion -Arcanelore 22:16, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Um, Sword of Vermillion was already confirmed for next Monday. TJ Spyke 22:21, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I was aware of that. But given Sega's track record with their release dates, a little extra confirmation never hurts. -Arcanelore 22:59, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Tecmo Bowl and Super Ghouls and Ghosts. -Arcanelore 19:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Double Dungeons -Arcanelore 22:11, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Sonic Spinball -Arcanelore 19:02, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Splatterhouse -Arcanelore 21:34, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

And today brings us Zelda II, Romance of the Three Kingdoms IV, and Beyond Oasis. -Arcanelore 22:37, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles -Arcanelore 22:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Galaga -Arcanelore 21:23, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm keeping a personal list of all the game codes, do you happen to know where Dungeon Explorer is? It's the only one I can't seem to find. -MrDrake 10:58, 17 March 2007 (GMT)
 * Right here. -Arcanelore 23:08, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I was checking the European game codes, for some weird reason picture 0-3 for that code are Bonk's Adventure (Which already has it's own code), and 4-7 are Dungeon Explorer. -MrDrake 18:23, 19 March 2007 (GMT)

An interesting development today; the screens for Galaga, ROTK4, TMNT, and Zelda II have been removed. (At the moment that shot was our only source for Zelda II. Should we take it off the list or leave it (a la SMRPG and the other ESRB listings that have since been removed?) -Arcanelore 17:53, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I would keep it in like we do games that appear on the ESRB only to be removed later. TJ Spyke 23:47, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Romance of the Three Kingdoms IV has returned. -Arcanelore 20:39, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

The latest Nintendo Power lists Zelda II as one of the games that should have already been released this month. I'd say that's a good source to keep Zelda II on the upcoming list, with a TBA release.Lamename3000 08:15, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Um, Zelda II has already been listed for awhile now. TJ Spyke 21:37, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I think Lamename3000's point wasn't that it needed to be added, but that NP should replace the missing Wii Shop screen as the reference link. That said, the recent ESRB listing sort of makes this discussion moot. -Arcanelore 23:20, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Just so you can keep an eye out for them: These are all games released in Europe/Australia, but not America (URLs are naturally the same except instead of 50 at the end of the code, it's 45): Zelda II, Castlevania, Punch-Out!!, TMNT, Galaga, Legend of the Mystical Ninja and Dragon's Curse. -MrDrake 13:44, 30 March 2007 (GMT)

TMNT is back, and Star Fox 64 has appeared. (As has Dragon's Curse but we were expecting that.) -Arcanelore 00:54, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Vectorman on the European server to look out for now as well. -MrDrake 20:40, 5 April 2007 (GMT)

Arcanelore didn't do it for this week, so here's the new American pictures: Galaga, Alex Kidd in the Enchanted Castle, Bravoman -MrDrake 13:12, 11 April 2007 (GMT)
 * Thank you MrDrake. I check this page every week for updates on possible VC additions, so I was pretty sad when there was no update here last week. -Thores 01:36, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * There really wasn't anything to report, since the screenshots didn't go up until sometime after the games were officially announced via Nintendo's press site. It took them long enough, but it seems NoA's finally caught on to the throngs of server checkers (it was a popular pastime at Nintendo's official forums as well.) -Arcanelore 03:17, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I know, I'm doing it just for fun (And the slight hope that they start putting them up earlier again eventually). -MrDrake 20:45, 12 April 2007 (GMT)

New for Europe: Pac-Man, ActRaiser and Bonk's Revenge. -MrDrake 10:00, 13 April 2007 (GMT)

And in NA news: Punch-out!, Bonk's Revenge, and Virtua Fighter 2. -Arcanelore 04:22, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm, if I didn't already have Punch-Out!! unlocked in Animal Crossing I would be more excited. And the Genesis version of Virtua Fighter 2 doesn't look that good. I've heard good things about Bonk's Revenge though. Come on Nintendo, give me Paper Mario already. TJ Spyke 05:53, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Sweet. That's two games I'll be getting this week (Bonk and Punch-Out!) Is it just me, or is viewing the server becoming reliable again? I mean for the last couple of weeks everything that was found on the server a few days prior ends up avaiable on Monday. I'm not saying to use it as a source, but it's becoming more reliable day by day. Neo Samus 17:48, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

For Europe: Donkey Kong Jr. Math and Lylat Wars. -MrDrake 11:29, 20 April 2007 (GMT)

NA: Gradius III, Wonder Boy, and Battle Lode Runner. --Cheesemeister3k 01:11, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Got some links to go with those? 60.226.175.68 06:55, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Gradius III, Wonder Boy in Monster World, and Battle Lode Runner. -Arcanelore 07:00, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Battle Lode Runner is confirmed for Monday (the first VC game for North America that wasn't originally released here). Not sure which (if either) of the other two will go up. Zelda II was up on the server a few weeks ago. TJ Spyke 07:47, 21 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Anyone want to take any bets on what games come out next week? I wonder if the games listed for April are the titles that will actually appear on Monday? Neo Samus 16:58, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Europe: Mighty Bomb Jack, Final Fight and Battle Lode Runner. -MrDrake 13:36, 27 April 2007 (GMT)


 * Has anything been poseted on the server this week for Monday's release? Neo Samus 21:29, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Nothing yet. -Arcanelore 10:07, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * If Nintendo Power is to be believed (And I've heard they've been wrong in the past), the games for America on monday are Shockman (Confirmed), Zelda II and Vectorman. -MrDrake 13:25, 29 April 2007 (GMT)
 * Well, the thing about Nintendo Power is that they throw out a number of VC reviews each month but make no mention whatsoever of any release dates. (Not even something vague like "coming soon" or "recently released".) At best there's an unstated assumption that the games will be out by the time the issue hits the newsstands or shortly thereafter; it'd be sort of silly to review them otherwise. But if Zelda II or Vectorman don't come out tomorrow I'm not sure you could say NP was wrong. -Arcanelore 21:13, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah, just wondering, can Japanese VC games be found by editing the URLs we're using as well? I haven't really tried myself. -MrDrake 12:48, 30 April 2007 (GMT)
 * And the new American games: Castlevania, Legend of the Mystical Ninja and Shockman. -MrDrake 13:57, 30 April 2007 (GMT)
 * Yes. Borrowing your NA links, here's Goemon and Schbibinman 2 for two examples. -Arcanelore 13:06, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Well it seems like Zelda II and Vectorman Didn't come out this month...does this make Nintendo Power an unreliable source?? Neo Samus 13:55, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think it makes them an unreliable source. In fact, I consider them one of the most reliable sources, considering the magazine is MADE by Nintendo. I think that since the magazine is usually made a month or so before you even get to read it, that Nintendo made changes to the lineup of games at the last minute. Can't blame Nintendo Power here. I expect Zelda II to be released VERY soon. I don't know why they are still holding it back. Lamename3000 16:18, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Zelda II was on the server a few weeks ago, not sure if it is still there. TJ Spyke 20:32, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Star Fox 64
I'm pretty sure starfox 64 is coming out in March, if you look at the other 64 games, its been one 64 game a month. So im sure starfox will be march, or at least Q1-Q2, obviously soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Draggingalake (talk • contribs)
 * 1)It's Star Fox (it annoys me when people spell it as one word) and 2)As of right now it has no release date. Also, how did you get 1 N64 game per month? There was no N64 game in December. TJ Spyke 22:56, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

well starting with janurary, feb, and so on —Preceding unsigned comment added by Draggingalake (talk • contribs)


 * I definitely agree that SF64 is coming this month but we have no reason to believe that yet, so we can't add it. Evan1109 17:06, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * What reason is there to believe it will be out this month? It has been listed on the ESRB site for a few months, along with a ton of other games. TJ Spyke 23:41, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Its ESRB debut was only this past week; even the original N64 version wasn't listed before then. (And it still isn't.) It was added to the Wiki article based on some IGN article, but the reference link got lost somewhere along the way.


 * Of course this is hardly a reason to expect it this month, as there's still unreleased games that have been listed at the ESRB for months. -Arcanelore 00:14, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm almost 100% certain it's been listed for awhile. TJ Spyke 00:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Or not. TJ Spyke 21:36, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

No one is saying to change it to march because there is no proof of march. I was just saying I think its going to arrive in March because I think Nintendo will at least give us one N64 game a month, if so, that's only 12 games this year out of so many N64 games. I hope its more than one, but I wouldn't see why they wouldn't do one a month. If not Star Fox this month, then I'm sure it will be another N64 game. Lets hope. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Draggingalake (talk • contribs)
 * The N64 actually had a pretty small library, especially compared to the NES/SNES/Genesis. TJ Spyke 02:06, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I just want to know when it comes out! It has been my favorite game since I owned a N64! mrmean393 09:53, 24 March 2007 (MTC)
 * We don't know. TJ Spyke 19:57, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * WOO!! Star Fox 64 is out!!!  Finally!!!!  Also TMNT!!!  Neo Samus 15:11, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Only 2 days off of March, Lets Hope Nintendo Keeps this up with about 30 days between a new N64 game. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Draggingalake (talk • contribs) 15:39, 2 April 2007 (UTC).

The game is called "Starfox." It is one word. "Star Fox" was an Atari game. Nintendo's game with Fox McCloud is "Starfox," one word. Why is it that hard to understand? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.138.140 (talk • contribs)
 * WRONG. Take a look at any time Nintendo uses it in print, it's "Star Fox". It has never been "Starfox", please do some research before replying. Do a search of the USPTO site, the trademark is for "Star Fox", a search of Nintendo's website shows it as "Star Fox", and the intstruction manuals all use "Star Fox". Willing to admit that you are wrong? TJ Spyke 22:59, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Tecmo Bowl to appear this month?
Usually, when a game appears on the servers (which Tecmo Bowl did) the game comes out in the shop about 1-4 weeks. It has happened with Link To The Past, Super Mario World, Contra III, Kirby's Adventure, Elevator Action and other games. So should a March 2007 release date be put as Tecmo Bowl's? WikiLoco 03:59, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * For what feels the like millionth time this has been asked: NO. Unless Nintendo or some other official source (i.e. the developer/publisher) announced it, it's not official and just a guess. TJ Spyke 04:07, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The problem is the exception - Excitebike. It appeared on the server in mid-Feb and still hasn't gotten released. Because of that, we can't take the gamble --Bishop2 13:29, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * He's right. Unless it comes from some official source; be it Nintendo, Hudson, or Sega, we cant post any release date. Machinehead09 21:11, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * HAHAHA! Nintendo did that just to mess with our minds and to try to disrupt the accuracy of the server checking! Anyway, I agree that, although it's very fun to try to find the games popping up on the servers, we shouldn't take that as proof of upcoming release, only as eventually. Or something like that. Clever Nintendo.. :) Lamename3000 10:20, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * ...and with that, Tecmo Bowl is available in the VC store. --PeanutCheeseBar 13:57, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It's still not reliable though. The only thing it tells us is that it will be available soon. But it seems like it's within a 4 week period. Neo Samus 14:55, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Has it been 4 weeks yet for Exitebike? Because that game has been on the server FOREVER now. Maybe next week is the 4-week mark, I'm not sure. --Bishop2 15:21, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Excitebike appeared on the servers February 12, and has missed all four of the following Mondays so far. -Arcanelore 16:19, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, make it 1-5 weeks then. But the conclusion can officially be drawn. Anytime a game shows up on the servers, it shows up on the shop in a few weeks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by WikiLoco (talk • contribs) 20:18, 12 March 2007 (UTC).
 * You are of course assuming that Excitebike will actually show up next week. There's still no official release date. The longer it sits there, the more we have reason to doubt. --Bishop2 21:25, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Splatterhouse was also added to the servers last week. Bishop is right, just appearing on the VC doesn't mean anything other than it will eventually be added to the VC. TJ Spyke 00:40, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * This coming Monday March 19, 2007 will mark the fourth Monday that Excitebike has been on the server but not available to purchase. I have a gut feeling it will finally see release this coming Monday.  Neo Samus 18:42, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * We have to wait until it is official. It's fun to hunt down what's on the server, and I hope that it DOES come out on Monday, but we have to wait until it is official. Lamename3000 00:30, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I know. I was just stating my opinion. By the way how do you look through the server to find the images?  Neo Samus 22:15, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Here: http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/1879/wii_hack_to_view_wii_shop TJ Spyke 22:20, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry I meant how do you find the images. I know how to view the Wii shop channel from firefox.  but how do people like arcanelore locate the images? By hacking? That was what I ment to say. I should have been more specific with my question.  Neo Samus 15:08, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * See those last 3 numbers in the URL of the links? Those are the pictures. 001 is the title screen, 002 is the first pic and 003 is the third pic. Once you find the game, the pics are easy. Maybe he can explain in more detail if you need it. BTW, Excitebike is FINALLY up (along with Splatterhouse and Beyond Oasis). TJ Spyke 16:16, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Here are a couple of previous discussions on this: 1 2. -Arcanelore 19:14, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I noticed the numbers at the end of the URL and I figured they were the pic numbers. Finally Excitebike came out. So the longest a game has been on the server without release is 4 weeks. Still not good enough for a reliable reference but it gives us a better idea on how long a game can on the server. On another note, I'm shocked that TMNT didn't come out this week. Neo Samus 16:29, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Missing information
This article would be much more useful for browsing purposes if it had player numbers and controller requirements too, since they vary from game to game and have a major effect on the desire to purchase a game. This is the most complete or accurate VC list I've seen, so it'd be nice if it was a little more functional. Bradofarrell 12:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Player numbers is covered in the individual games articles, and the controller compatibility is in the main Virtual Console article. TJ Spyke 12:26, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Why were my changes deleted?
I know they are ESRB rated and they were taken off in minutes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dartheyegouger (talk • contribs) 02:46, 18 March 2007 (UTC).
 * If you had read the various warnings on the page, you would know that you have to provide a source. Also, games like Beetle Adventure Racing just say "Nintendo", not "Wii" for their platform (all other VC games say "Wii"). TJ Spyke 02:49, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Neutopia was confirmed by IGN. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dartheyegouger (talk • contribs) 02:50, 18 March 2007 (UTC).
 * The games need to be confirmed by either the companys publisher or the ESRB (or found on the VC servers). Neutopia has not been announced by Hudson Soft and isn't on the ESRB site (maybe someone familiar with doing so can check the VC servers). TJ Spyke 02:53, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by VC servers? The actual Wii Shop?  Also, why would the games be "confirmed" on IGN if they weren't really coming out? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dartheyegouger (talk • contribs) 02:55, 18 March 2007 (UTC).
 * See Talk:List of Virtual Console games (North America). About IGN, the first reason that comes to mind is that the people at NeoGAF made up a fake press release announcing that Konami would release "Metal Gear Triology" for the Xbox 360 (they misspelled it on purpose). Not only did IGN print the press release, but they even made a game entry in their database for "Metal Gear Triology", only to remove it after a few hours when they found out it was a hoax. BTW, sign your posts. TJ Spyke 03:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

ESRB's "Nintendo" Category, Once and For All.
I notice someone's added Beetle Adventure Racing and Aerofighters Assault back to the article, presumably based on the fact they're listed at the ESRB for the "Nintendo" platform. Now, it seems many believe that this "Nintendo" category is a list of games re-rated for the Virtual Console, given the non-specific "Nintendo" heading and the fact that it contains a mix of NES, SNES, and N64 titles.

I, however, believe it is merely a collection of first-release ratings that have been erroneously lumped together instead of going into the correct "Super Nintendo" and "Nintendo 64" categories, and as such all such games should be removed from the article unless some more definitive source arises. And even if I can't convince anyone that this category is a mere error, I believe I can at least throw enough doubt on it to justify the removals.

Before I bore everybody with a detailed breakdown of how the likes of Super Mario Bros and Dr. Mario could possibly have ESRB ratings without the VC, I'd just like to point out Beetle Adventure Racing and Mario Party for "Nintendo" being rated... in 1999. Surely VC titles weren't being rated before the Gamecube was even off the drawing board? (And other games on that page are correctly listed as being "Nintendo 64" games.)

Now that we've shown the "Nintendo" category predates the VC by several years, we now turn to the issue of whether the ratings given could be from the games' original releases. The 30-odd "Nintendo" titles basically fall into the following categories:

Misplaced N64 Titles: As the N64 came out after the inception of the ESRB, obviously all N64 titles should have ESRB ratings.

Misplaced SNES Releases (DKC, Hagane, Tin Star, Uniracers, Frogger, etc.): Any game released very late in 1994 or later should have gotten an ESRB rating, and none of the SNES titles in the "Nintendo" category seem to be pre-ESRB releases. Well, except for:

Misplaced SNES Player's Choice Re-releases (Super Mario World, Super Mario Kart): Late in the SNES's life cycle Nintendo reissued several games under the Player's Choice label. These would have required ESRB ratings. (The Wiki article helpfully shows us a SMW box with an ESRB rating.) Also note Super Mario All-Stars and Tetris & Dr. Mario on that list.

Apparent NES titles: Surely these couldn't have been rated before the VC? Well, not so fast. Wario's Woods was released very late in 1994 (December IIRC, but I'd have to check), and in fact became the only NES title to get an ESRB rating during the system's lifespan. And the rest? I submit that they're not referring to the NES versions at all; as I mentioned above, All-Stars and Tetris & Dr. Mario would have been rated.

But, you say, the ESRB doesn't individually rate games on compilations! It's true that they don't do that today, but there is at least one other instance of this happening early in the ESRB's career: check the Super Nintendo section for three separate Ninja Gaiden (Trilogy) listings.

Admittedly there are a few holes in this theory, but nothing major:

Super Punch-Out! - This isn't listed in the Wiki article as being a Player's Choice title, and its original release was too early to have been rated. However, a quick eBay check brings up a mix of carts both with and without an ESRB rating... did this get some sort of post-ESRB reissue?

Where are Tetris and Super Mario Bros. 2 (USA)? Good question. But missing titles are hardly surprising; the original N64 versions of Mario Kart 64 and Star Fox 64 aren't listed. Neither is Motoroader, a recent VC release.

Why is SMB2J not listed as "The Lost Levels"? Well, you've finally got me there.

As a final aside, three games from this "Nintendo" category have in fact seen VC releases: Wario's Woods, Super Mario World, and Donkey Kong Country. However, soon after the ESRB spawned duplicate "Wii" listings for SMW and WW, and tacked "Wii" onto an already existing dupe entry for the GBA version of DKC. These examples don't seem to vindicate the "Nintendo" category being for VC releases.

And now I'll finally shut up. -Arcanelore 03:19, 18 March 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, I lied. Dr. Mario for "Nintendo", released on 8/25/1996, rated in 2004. -Arcanelore 04:01, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * That Dr. Mario one is odd. The only Mario related games released in August 1996 was Tetris Attack for the Super NES/Game Boy. TJ Spyke 04:24, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It'd be around the right time (give or take a year) for the Player's Choice re-release of Tetris & Dr. Mario, but I can't find an exact release date for that. -Arcanelore 04:32, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Nope, the Player's Choice version of Tetris & Dr. Mario came out in November 1998 (the PC versions of Super Mario Kart and Super Mario All-Stars were released the previous month). TJ Spyke 06:59, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Huh. Well, I have no idea what they were on about then. -Arcanelore 16:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * A couple of updates. First, the original Super Mario Bros. is another example of a "Nintendo" game getting a VC release. And like DKC, the ESRB just tacked "Wii" onto an existing duplicate GBA entry shortly thereafter. Second, I found Tetris and SMB2US... they're in the Super Nintendo section. -Arcanelore 16:06, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Dr. Mario
I noticed dr mario being removed from NA VC to be released list. Is there a source for that or is it an error? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.75.251.212 (talk) 16:31, 19 March 2007 (UTC).
 * See the above section. TJ Spyke 16:33, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

The way the Shop Channel works?
I find it funny that Excitebike was on the Virtual Console servers for a month, and now when it is released, it is not labeled as new. Maybe the internal guts of the channel know that it has been there for so long, and so it auto removes the label after a certain number of weeks.. Anyone know the exact amount of time before a game's new label is removed? Lamename3000 20:15, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It was likely just a mistake, this has happened before (a game is released but not in the new section). It will likely be fixed soon. TJ Spyke 23:05, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Darn, and I thought I was being clever... :( ... :) Lamename3000 01:24, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, It's still not labeled as new (way to go, Nintendo) and they are only releasing 1 VC game this week? What the heck!??!?Lamename3000 14:52, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Only one title was released the week of The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past. This isn't a first. Though at least ALttP was a bit more famous of a game...66.67.9.170 17:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It happened again today with Gradius III. -Arcanelore 20:04, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but I looked and looked and couldn't find it anywhere, even when not labeled new.. Weird... maybe they took it down while I was looking...Lamename3000 00:53, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

zombies ate my neighbors
is this game only listed in the upcoming games because it was given the ambiguous "nintendo" rating on the esrb site, or is there another source for it? i would love to see this game come out on VC, so i'm going to have to kick the teeth in of the person who added that to the list if it never comes out. Pandapatrol 14:45, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It's listed at the ESRB, with an unambiguous "Wii" listing. -Arcanelore 17:37, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

well i guess being listed as "wii" is better than being listed as "nintendo" hopefully this game comes out. Crazy4metallica 18:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Super mario RPG source
This doesnt appear to have any source. Is this vandalism or is it actualy confirmed to be coming out? Mattyatty 18:57, 29 March 2007 (UTC) Ive just noticed that this also goes for Super Metroid Mattyatty 18:58, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


 * These were originally from IGN, which in turn sourced them to the ESRB around fall of last year, before the Wii's release. --Bishop2 19:42, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Title Organization
I don't quite feel that the word "The" should be used in putting games like The Legend of Zelda with other "the" games. So, how about "Legend of Zelda, The" for such games? For colons, "Legend of Zelda, The: Ocarina of Time." How about that? All SMiles 13:20, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with this. This would be an intelligent move. --Bishop2 13:55, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I actually did this a while back, and someone changed it back. -Arcanelore 16:21, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I strongly disagree in this case, as if you look in the Wii Shop Channel the games with 'The' at the front are listed alphabetically in the T's. I feel that this should not be changed to be consistent with the actual Wii Shop Channel. Zomic_13 16:41, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * However, this isn't meant to list games in the order they appear on Wii Shop Channel, or you would be able to change this list to sort by recent releases and such. The Wii's website already has all the Virtual Console games listed in that order, and this is meant to be an online encyclopedia of the North American Virtual Console titles. It is not proper in an encylopedia to alphabetize starting with the articles, such as "a", "an", and "the".66.67.9.170 17:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * All Smiles, what are talking about? The only Zelda game that has come out on the same day as other games on the same system is the first Zelda game, and it is the second game listed (so is listed under L). The other two Zelda games are also in the correct spot since we list games in the order they came out. "The Legend of Zelda" is correct, "Legend of Zelda, The" is just odd. TJ Spyke 20:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * On this old version, the default sort is fine. The problem arises when one elects to sort by title, at which point "The Legend of Kage" and "The Legend of Zelda" get thrown into the T's. For the moment I've gone ahead used a similar trick to the one we use for the date column to sort this correctly while still reading "The Legend of Zelda". -Arcanelore 21:43, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Good job. TJ Spyke 21:44, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

What Games
What games were released on April 2, 2007? Smash Attack 14:28, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Nothing yet, because games are released at 12 p.m. ET/9 a.m. PT, which is still 90 minutes away. However, GoNintendo is reporting it will be Star Fox 64, TMNT for NES and Dragon Curse for TG-16.  Nintendo's press site, on the other hand, contains no confirmation.--Bishop2 14:31, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


 * All those titles have been confirmed and are now avaiable. Neo Samus 15:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Why is TMNT 600 points? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Draggingalake (talk • contribs) 15:40, 2 April 2007 (UTC).
 * That's a good question, to which I would like to know the answer to. Maybe Konami made Nintendo raise the price to try to get an extra $1 out of each person who downloads it. Because really, who's going to not get if they WERE, and it's a dollar extra (Besides me)? Also the upcoming movie may play a factor. Lamename3000 16:57, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The movie isn't really "upcoming" any more, since it's been out in theaters for two weeks now. :) I think the answer is likely due to Konami's license rights. They probably wanted extra cash to help fund paying for the TMNT license again. It's unclear whether they paid UbiSoft for the rights to put out their old games (since UbiSoft is now making the games based on the movie) or if they still had the rights to the television cartoons and just had to pay for THAT, but the fact remains that it's still a license. --Bishop2 18:38, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hm. You're right... I wasn't really following the movie, so I assumed it was still upcoming.. Lamename3000 07:08, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * My best guess is that it has to do with the license. I don't think Konami has the TMNT license anymore and to have it on the VC they have to pay Ubisoft royalites per each download. Neo Samus 19:34, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * IIRC, Konami has the license for the anime/cartoon and Ubisoft has the license for the movie. TJ Spyke 21:47, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * One way or the other, Konami has to pay royalties to Mirage... I believe this is the first licensed game to appear on the VC, at least in North America (correct me if I'm wrong). Djister 00:30, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Nintendo has licences to a lot of games.
I listen to a lot of podcasts and there's always a question like "will this game go on virtaul console" or so forth. Usually the Game Editors or whomever say, "It depends on who owns the licences to that game." THIS IS NOT A LIST OF UPCOMING VC GAMES, this is a list of unusal games (I think so) that nintendo has the the rights to. The source is www.nintendo.com/doc/n64_games.pdf

Banjo-Kazooie • Nintendo • June 1998 Banjo Tooie • Nintendo • November 2000 Blast Corps. • Nintendo • March 1997 Command and Conquer • Nintendo • June 1999 Conker's Bad Fur Day • Nintendo • March 2001 Jet Force Gemini • Nintendo • October 1999 Ken Griffey Jr's Slugfest • Nintendo • May 1999 Killer Instinct Gold • Nintendo • November 1996 Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards • Nintendo • June 2000 Perfect Dark • Nintendo • May 2000 PilotWings 64 • Nintendo • September 1996 The New Tetris • Nintendo • July 1999 StarCraft • Nintendo • June 2000 Conker's Bad Fur Day • Nintendo • March 2001 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Draggingalake (talk • contribs)
 * Wrong, that is a list of who had the license at the time they were published. Command & Conquer belongs to EA, Ken Griffey belongs ton Nintendo (but they would have to license his name/likeness again), Kirby belongs to Nintendo, Pilotwings belongs to Nintendo, Tetris belongs to The Tetris Company, Starcraft belongs to Blizzard (technically Vivendi Games since they own Blizzard), and the rest belong to Rare (technically Microsoft). TJ Spyke 22:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * So your saying at that date in time Nintendo had the rights, because if you look at the whole list, and your saying at that time, Nintendo didn't own the rights to a lot of games on that list. I understand Rare made a handful of those games, and everyone knows Starcraft is Blizzard.  I'm just confused I guess because if your saying that they we're owned by Nintendo at that time, then why arn't all the games on the list say Nintendo by them? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Draggingalake (talk • contribs) 23:04, 4 April 2007 (UTC).
 * By license, I mean published. Nintendo published or distributed those games. Even if Nintendo wanted to put a game on the VC, they need the permission of the IP holder (for example, they would have to get permission from The Tetris Company in order to put any Tetris game on). TJ Spyke 23:25, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels
A while ago, this game was listed as a future release for the VC. Now, I don't see it. Any particular reason why? TanookiMario257 00:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It was decided that all games that only have "Nintendo" listed as their platform won't be included since there is no way to tell if they will be on the VC or not. If/when the game gets a "Wii" listing (like all the other VC games have), it will be added again. TJ Spyke 00:49, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Super Mario RPG and Super Metroid are rated E
IGN has those two games, as well as Kirby Super Star and Kirby's Dreamland 3 listed here as E. Also, I can't find Ghouls 'n Ghosts and Metroid anywhere on the ESRB Database. Could someone provide me with a source for it or remove it promptly? 60.226.175.68 05:59, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Seems the ESRB Delete Faerie has been busy again. Ah well, best I can do is a screen of Ghouls 'n Ghosts up as of a month ago. -Arcanelore 06:07, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Fair enough... Was this added before, or after Super Ghouls 'n Ghosts was added? Got a nice little screen of Metroid being on there as well? 60.226.175.68 06:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * After; right about the time SGnG was actually released. I don't have a screen of Metroid. I only started taking screenshots upon new games being listed after I noticed SMRPG was removed (and a ton of other games went with it: all the Kirby titles except Adventure, Super Metroid, Duck Hunt... can't recall if Metroid survived that particular purge or not.) -Arcanelore 06:37, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * M'alright. Uhhh... Could you change the rating on SMRPG and Super Metroid? I should really get an account one of these days... 60.226.175.68 07:01, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Ninja Turtles price
Why is Ninja Turtles priced at 600 points when it's an NES game? 67.188.172.165 22:48, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Only Nintendo knows for sure, anything else is speculation. TJ Spyke 23:09, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Random Prediction
Bonk's Revenge, we already know is coming on Monday. Punch-Out!! or VF2, anyone? BTW, is it time to try another vote on using the current or original publisher in place of the developer? -Cheesemeister3k 06:28, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Future Neo Geo release section?
Are we pretty much just waiting on some possible titles to be announced before this section goes in to the list, or what? Sounds like they're going to run about 900 or 1000 points each according to this IGN interview with SNK. --Billdorr 08:31, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * As of right now, Neo Geo games have only been confirmed for Japan (although I have no doubt they will come here). So yeah, we should wait for now. TJ Spyke 22:16, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Um, what do you mean? Doesn't that IGN interview kind of confirm a planned international release? Thores 09:41, 19 April 2007 (UTC)


 * That IGN interview I posted was with the president of SNK Playmore USA. This exchange stands out as fairly compelling evidence that we'll see them as well (emphasis mine):
 * Shouldn't that at least warrant an empty placeholder box, like the upcoming N64 list has now? --Billdorr 11:24, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * No, for the same reason Japan doesn't. No info is known yet. TJ Spyke 21:52, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * By that logic, shouldn't we remove the N64 release box? Since there's no current information known? :) Lamename3000 06:54, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Haha, you know what I meant. Right now we have no info about the Neo Geo games other than they should be added starting in Fall 2007. TJ Spyke 07:11, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Haha! Yes, I knew what you meant. Lamename3000 20:46, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Here's it simple: though NeoGeo games have been announced, that doesn't make it a fact they are coming. They most likely, obviously, and maybe even almost certain, but that can change in the future if something comes up. Nintendo 64 games have already been released and it seems pretty unlikely they would release three N64 games and that's it. Another way to think of it: on the Wii Shop Channel, under Virtual Console, if you look by console, NeoGeo doesn't have a category yet. Nintendo 64 obviously does (since titles were released for it). It can be something noted outside the boxes, but until there's actual announcements on games, it is pointless to put up a box.Shadow31 16:54, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Here's it simple: though NeoGeo games have been announced, that doesn't make it a fact they are coming. They most likely, obviously, and maybe even almost certain, but that can change in the future if something comes up. Nintendo 64 games have already been released and it seems pretty unlikely they would release three N64 games and that's it. Another way to think of it: on the Wii Shop Channel, under Virtual Console, if you look by console, NeoGeo doesn't have a category yet. Nintendo 64 obviously does (since titles were released for it). It can be something noted outside the boxes, but until there's actual announcements on games, it is pointless to put up a box.Shadow31 16:54, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Castlevania entry.
Castlevania link points to the series, not the individual game. 69.212.51.216 16:28, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It's been fixed. IMO though, the article on the series should be at "Castlevania (series)" and the first game in the series at "Castlevania". TJ Spyke 20:32, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Light gun games
I see Duck Hunt, Hogan's Alley and Wild Gunman on the upcoming list. Can someone fill me in on the Wii remote's ability to emulate light gun (Zapper) games? (I haven't tried Wii Play.) This is probably the first instance of a VC game not strictly adhering to the original control mechanism. Thanks Tehw1k1 05:28, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * We don't know since no details have been announced. The only reason we even know about them are because they have been rated on the ESRB website. TJ Spyke 06:31, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't T&E2 also be listed as 2007?
Its been like this for a while now... I was thinking someone would notice it and fix it... So, could somone fix up Toejam & Earl in Panic on Funkatron as 2007, please? Thanks. 121.208.168.18 10:58, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

What in the world???
Ok, someone put that nasty tubgirl pic. But I clicked hide and it's not there anymore for me. Can or did anyone else see it? Neo Samus 13:43, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I saw it - it was on every "edit" page throughout Wiki for 2 minutes or so there. Seems to thankfully be gone. --Bishop2 13:46, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Apparently an admin account got hacked. See here. -Arcanelore 17:47, 7 May 2007 (UTC)