Talk:List of Virtual Console games for Wii (North America)/Archives/2013/August

All C64 games are currently unavailable
They can no longer be purchased from the Wii Shop Channel and none of them appear at the list at Nintendo Official Site. It may not have an official announcement or an article in the press, but currently, these games are all unavailable, whether it's a glitch or not, they've been unavailable since August 1st, 2013. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.180.115.101 (talk) 14:18, 5 August 2013 (UTC)


 * No proof has been provided indicating this is a permanent situation. Websites update all the time, and glitches happen. What we're looking for in terms of a reliable source is a news article stating, for example "Nintendo has removed all Commodore 64 titles from its Virtual Console lineup due to (insert reason; licensing issues, lack of demand, etc.)". What you're presenting is original synthesis, which is not permitted. -- McDoob  AU93  15:53, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Official TurboGrafx-16 Virtual Console site link is defunct
The link takes you to a "Domain for sale" page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.180.115.101 (talk) 14:26, 5 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done I've removed the link and revised the sentence to show the remaining cited developers (Sega and SNK) as being examples of publishers who have also mentioned upcoming VC titles. -- McDoob  AU93  19:50, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

The link for the Sega page, gives you info on games on other consoles, Wii VC returns 0 results
The page no longer provides info on released or upcoming Virtual Console games for Wii. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.180.115.101 (talk) 15:24, 7 August 2013 (UTC)


 * This paragraph is meant to show examples of how/where Virtual Console games have been announced. It is not intended as a current repository of VC information. -- McDoob  AU93  15:33, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

It may not provide a current repository of VC information, but if the URL is used for a quote that can no longer be cited, then the sentence is false. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.180.113.47 (talk) 15:30, 16 August 2013 (UTC)


 * URLs die all the time. Cached copies can be located to provide the proof, for example. You appear to be taking things at absolutes, or taking things to the extreme. Please read my response to you below for more information. -- McDoob  AU93  15:54, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

About unavailability of the Commodore 64 games
Shouldn't there be a footnote or something at least about the current unavailability of the Commodore 64 games (August 2013)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.180.115.101 (talk) 15:31, 7 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Immediate status of releases on Virtual Console is not encyclopedic; Wikipedia is not a gaming news site. Again, you will need to produce a reliable source indicating the games have been permanently removed from VC before ANY discussion of their absence (temporary or otherwise) is included in the article. -- McDoob  AU93  15:35, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Then if I upload a picture of the VC Channel showing the absence of such games and sections, will the information be accepted? Or even with such an evidence it would still not qualify. How much time has to pass before a fact can be considered "encyclopedic"? Is this article under an authorized edition scheme? If so, maybe it should be locked although I thought Wikipedia was a free encyclopedia. I'm not being aggressive, I need this questions to be answered so I can be sure if I can or can't edit anything else in Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.180.113.47 (talk) 15:41, 16 August 2013 (UTC)


 * A picture would not help because that would reflect what you see when the photograph was taken and thus would be your interpretation that the games have been delisted, when the solution could just as easily be a temporary glitch or temporary removal. We also have no proof when the photograph was taken (i.e., it could have been taken before the games were even offered, for all we know). What we are looking for is a statement from Nintendo that the games have been removed and will not return, preferably indicating why (lack of demand for the software, licensing for the software has expired, etc.) the games have been removed. This statement can come from Nintendo itself, or it can be reported by a major reliable gaming news website, such as GameSpot, IGN, 1UP, etc. This does not include posts on forums, fan-produced blogs, and the like.


 * To answer your final statements, Wikipedia is indeed a free encyclopedia, but all articles work this way. Edits require some basis in fact from reliable and verifiable sources in order to remain in place. We cannot accept someone's personal interpretation of events (for example, "I've seen it so it must be true"). I do hope this answers your question, but if you still have concerns about what you can and can't edit, please direct them to my talk page instead and I'll be glad to expand on my responses. If your questions have to do with this particular article, please continue to post here. -- McDoob  AU93  15:53, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

A couple of weeks ago, many reliable news sources took a joke about Mario and Luigi being gay lovers, it appeared in some news papers and some didn't rectify their mistake; GameSpot, IGN, 1UP have been known to make biased articles. Maybe this article and many others that aren't yet should be locked and only edited by people who can be sure they are taking the information from the very sources, not news sites, I'm just saying. Maybe it's time Wikipedia has an established review board to avoid all this in the future and no corrections or edits should be seen until this review board approves them, it's whats been happening here after all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.180.113.47 (talk) 17:17, 16 August 2013 (UTC)


 * The Wikipedia Review Board, as you describe it, is already in place ... it's called the tens of thousands of editors, both registered and anonymous, who edit the millions of articles here each and every day. If a source appears accurate, the information remains in place. If there's a problem (such as a potential hoax or parody article), it's removed and discussion takes place to determine if the information is flawed or indeed accurate. That process is called bold, revert, discuss. And on a number of very contentious articles, such as American Idol for example, there is a process called pending changes where changes by anonymous or new users are hidden until checked by an established editor. -- McDoob  AU93  17:24, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

You and only you have been deleting it, I haven't seen any of those tens of thousands refuting my edits, block this IP, it's clear to me that I can't edit this or anything else even if I input true data. Just one last thing, If your in North America, get a Wii and try to access that section, since you are the only one qualified to edit, call Nintendo directly after you see by yourself that what I say is true so you can finally quote a reliable source before you commit the same mistake I've been doing. That's all, I will no longer contribute at Wikipedia, I know I'm not logged but I'm someone that thought was part of those tens of thousands, I'm so disappointed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.180.113.47 (talk) 17:54, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Neo-Geo VC games reference link
D4 Enterprise is the responsible for the Neo-Geo games in the Virtual Console, SNK Playmore USA never announced games at their site, this is what should be linked: http://www.vc-neogeo-us.d4e.co.jp/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.180.118.122 (talk) 13:47, 29 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done Feel free to be bold and make such changes yourself. Thanks for the tip. -- McDoob  AU93  02:55, 31 August 2013 (UTC)