Talk:List of Volkswagen Group diesel engines

1.9 TDI
What about the 75hp version from Audi A4? AFF, mounted 1996-1998(or 2000 probably). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.78.175.25 (talk) 20:38, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


 * We work in kilowats in European engine articles, not 'horsepower'. Anyway, try looking in the list of discontinued Volkswagen Group diesel engines article - because that was discontinued long time ago!  78.32.143.113 (talk) 23:04, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Removed reference to roller-chain driven oil pump. Oil pump on 1.9 TDI is connected to intermediate shaft and driven by the same belt that drives the cam and injection pump.

1.9 SDI/TDI
Two different TDI 1.9 engines say 6xkW, one is 60+hp and one is 90+hp. This can't be right. Some of the numbers are wrong. I don't know which ones.

My bad, its 64bhp for the SDI version (thats 48kW) - Mark J Fisher 19:07, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

V10 TDI
How can the V10 be both Common Rail and Unit Injector? Trust me, I have one in pieces in my office. It is Unit Injector. It has a number of common parts with the other VW 2 valve per cylinder Unit Injector TDI engines (3 cyl and 4cyl). Rcec (talk) 09:50, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * It´s the unit injector, but audi is working on a 5,2-V10 TDI with up to 300kW(400hp) for the Q7 and A8. This engine will have 4valves per cylinder and a common-rail System with 2000bars injection pressure.  It´s based on the V12-TDI for the Q7.

V12 TDI
The Audi Q7 with the V12 TDI was only a concept. It is not a regular production engine. Should it be removed? Rlobkovsky (talk) 17:34, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Not any more - now in production in the Q7. 78.32.143.113 (talk) 23:06, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

45hp 1.05 (petrol engine)
This section is imported from talk:list of discontinued Volkswagen Group petrol engines, which was posted before the articles were split.

I think the carb version had slightly less torque, higher up, and achieved it's peak power at higher rpm (5600 vs 5200) than the later SPi model, but I haven't time/resource to check properly for now so i'm leaving it. It's only a tiny thing after all.

Also while I'm being pedantic, would the EA111 diesels really have had a 'carburettor, then L-jetronic/monomotronic injection' fuel system? Diesels don't entirely work that way as far as I was aware. For super pedant bonus, the compressor in the G40 should be a '40mm G-lader supercharger' (the G-lader bit possibly being a trademark/trade name, so not needing an english translation).

You are right in both cases. I´ve forgotten to change the thinks. But´I don´t really know, what an Verteilerpumpe is named in english. The carburretor version of the 1.05 is different to the monomo´s. In the latest version is named 33kW/ 5600 69Nm/3200 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.64.228.100 (talk) 09:28, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Ahh... yes, sounds likely. As for Verteilerpumpe... puzzling. Injector-pump, as in some prototype version of the Pumpe-Duse? I'm not well up enough on diesel engines to give any serious suggestions, but i'm pretty sure even the oldest hot-bulb types used injectors (even if they were primitive) as a means of getting the fuel in.
 * Incidentally as another note, we seem to be missing the "1.4" (1398cc? 1408?) diesel that my old Polo manual lists as being available. Unfortunately that's now DEEP in a cupboard somewhere and I've lost the ability to rattle the figures off the top of my head - but the capacity was somewhere between 1350 and 1450cc, power output 48PS at 4000 (4500?) rpm, and ??? maximum torque (it wasn't actually very impressive vs the 1.3 petrol!) somewhere around 2000-2500rpm. Sounds like a fairly unpleasant-to-drive engine even compared to the 1043cc petrol, but did give pretty impressive economy, something like 70mpg on the combined cycle... for a car made in 1991 and shaped like a broken brick.
 * Finally I'm pretty sure the 1.05, 1.1 and 1.3 petrols ended up in some Golf variants in the early 80s as well as the Polos, until it was realised they were just too underpowered? It was an age of ludicrously weak powerplants in surprisingly large cars after all (though we're edging back that way with 40-ish kW motors in Polos that have taken on the size and weight of previous generations of Golf!)
 * PS - any mileage in including the prototype Oko Polo 848cc 2-cylinder turbodiesel (superdiesel??) motor? 40PS at 4000rpm is about all the spec I remember, that and a supposed <3L/100km consumption. In 1983. 193.63.174.10 (talk) 11:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * 'VerteilerPumpe' (often abbreviated to VP) is simply a rotary diesel injector pump, sometimes called a 'distributor pump', becuase it resembles the configuration of an ignition distributor. These VP diesels were used before VAG introdued the 'Pumpe Düse' (PD) engines with Unit Injector technology.  VP injection was a completely different system, and could not be described as a 'prototype' for the PD system.  HTH.  78.32.143.113 (talk) 10:31, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

2.0 TDI 118bhp
This new engine in the 09MY Audi A4 needs to be added to the list. Source - http://www.whatcar.co.uk/news-article.aspx?NA=230398 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.1.179.188 (talk) 22:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * As usual, WhatCar should not be regarded as a reliable source, as neither of those two engines are offered!!! http://www.audi.co.uk/audi/uk/en2/new_cars/a4/saloon/engines.html and http://www.audi.co.uk/audi/uk/en2/new_cars/a4/new_a4_avant/engines.html  78.32.143.113 (talk) 07:26, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

1.9 R4 TDI 29-81kW
I believe the 1Z and possibly the AHU engines were available in some markets with a mechanical injection pump. M-TDI. These motors used to be in the "discontinued" article, I am uncertain if they should be moved back. 67.20.170.4 (talk) 15:59, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Also, should the title of this section include the code "EA180" suffixed in brackets? (See https://mymotorlist.com/engines/volkswagen/ea180/)

2.0L, 170 HP
Add to the 170 HP (125KW) Australian Golf GTD http://www.volkswagen.com.au/etc/medialib/vwcms/virtualmaster/en_au/new_cars/golf/pricing___specifications.Par.0032.File.pdf/golf_gtd_flyer.pdf http://www.volkswagen.com.au/etc/medialib/vwcms/virtualmaster/en_au/new_cars/golf/pricing___specifications.Par.0034.File.pdf/golf_gtd_brochure.pdf Sorry I don't have block numbers. Possibly same engine in other cars too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Keelec (talk • contribs) 08:53, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

CLHA 1598CC 105HP Engine in late 2013 Golf
I am the owner of a late 2013 1598cc 105HP Diesel Golf. A diagnostic tool identifies it as a CLHA type engine with DPF. It may also be type EA288. This engine type is listed under but not under VW Group Diesel Engines. Should this engine type be added to the page? I assume the Golf and Octavia received the same engine type. Neither is listed under the diesel engines for VW vehicles. Thanks for any help Zg3409 (talk) 20:41, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Interference engines
Which ones are interference engine and which ones aren't ? --Jerome Potts (talk) 08:29, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

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Error?
The EA 189 section has

< two counter-rotating gear-driven balance shafts turning at half crankshaft speed >

If these are Lanchester balancers to reduce secondary vibration, then they are turning at twice crankshaft speed.

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Major issues with this list
This list is plagued with serious issues that need proper fixing. It lacks a proper structure and consists of improperly stitched together pieces of various kinds of non-information. It remains unclear, which engines are supposed to be included in this list, where they are supposed to be included, and how they are supposed to be described (or not described).

The second sentence in the lead section "The compression-ignition diesel engines listed below are currently used by (…) the (…) Volkswagen Group" is not well-suited for a list like this one, because it is very difficult to keep so many different pieces of information up to date. This becomes noticeable with the V12 diesel engine which has been discontinued long ago, but still remains in the list of "currently used" engines. Wikipedia also has a list of discontinued Volkswagen Group diesel engines, which makes matters even worse.

Some sections in this list try to describe a certain type of engine in great detail (and the same engine re-appears in a different section in this list), which this list should not do. Then at the end of the list there is a wikitable that seems like it is a complete list of all engines, but it is not. What I find most concerning is the concept of including everything regarding Volkswagen diesel engines. Such an attempt is not possible: Volkswagen is a mass-market engine manufacturer whose engines can be bought by anyone, to be installed in any vehicle. It makes no sense to list all of these various vehicles of in all of the possible variants with all possible power outputs with all pieces of information etc. – the list might appear like it does it well, but it fails at including all major engine versions.

Therefore, I suggest completely re-writing this list from scratch. For the new list, I propose the following:


 * Focussing this list on Volkswagen group car and light duty industrial engines → This means removal of all the Scania lorry engines and merging with list of discontinued Volkswagen Group diesel engines.
 * Including a short description that briefly describes the scope of this list.
 * Sorting the engines according to their engine type designation (VW EA123 etc.). I think this is a resonable approach because engines that share the same engine type designation are mostly identical. There is no need for having multiple sections on virtually identical engines which have only negligible differences.
 * The sections with engine type designations should consist of the following:
 * A brief technical description of the engine that includes configuration and design, and that is no longer than approximately 3 to 4 lines on a standard 1920×1080 pixel monitor at 100 % scaling.
 * A short table that describes the engine type's technical characteristics that are identical across all versions of the engine type (id est the engine dimensions)
 * A short table that includes either only the highest and the lowest power output, or the most common power output levels. In times of ECUs and turbochargers it is increadibly easy to increase or decrease power output by 10 kW without any major engine modifications, and including all power output levels seems unreasonable to me if the number of available power outputs is significantly greater than 20.
 * A brief, abstract and generic description of the major applications, if reasonable. For instance, listing all cars that had the 103 kW EA189 installed is not what I consider reasonable. Instead, I'd write something like "the 103 kW version of the EA189 engine was common in most C- and D-segment Volkswagen group cars". This is because the wording sufficiently outlines the major applications without going too much into unnecessary details.

This list should not include the following:
 * Technical details that go beyond what is to be expected from a generic list of Volkswagen diesel engines, for instance, part identification numbers for injection pumps, fuel filters, fuel injectors, turbochargers, and so on and so forth; information that can be gathered from other already existing information in the article (and is thus superfluous) that only a fraction of the readers understand, for instance, specific power, power at max torque, BEMP, whether or not an engine is over/undersquare, etc.
 * Sublists of all cars a certain engine was used in
 * Sublists with model years, production years, engine codes for model years
 * Fuel consumption figures that do not have the quantity mass over work
 * Scania lorry engines
 * Primary sources
 * Original research

Anything else? I'd like to read comments and suggestions. Best regards, --Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 16:26, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree in general with the proposal as far as organization goes, but I would argue for the inclusion of all the outputs in tables. This is a list, there is no need to exclude such information. And please do not remove the metric hp... Also, including all the cars/years/codes which use the engine is precisely what I come to this page for. So for now, no vote. Best,  Mr.choppers &#124;   ✎  22:19, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Capacity of the 4.2 TDI engine
Maybe true capacity of this engine is 4,134 cc so its 4.1 L, no 4.2?? Tsikhotskyi19 (talk) 06:12, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Audi A4 B8 engine 2.0 TDI
The 03L 2.0L diesel engine that produces 100KW/134hp is listed as being in the Audi A6 C6 however it was also offered on the Audi A4 B8. 84.203.117.79 (talk) 01:19, 18 April 2023 (UTC)