Talk:List of Volkswagen Group petrol engines

Organization
This article is poorly organized.

Older engines
Engines that are no longer assembled in any Volkswagen model are listed in the list of discontinued Volkswagen Group petrol engines and list of discontinued Volkswagen Group diesel engines. Here you will find the engines from the years 1974 up to 2005 you are missing. The data tables of the older engines, flat four and the middle pressure engines of the VW K 70 are unknown und if someone knows them, please edit them to the list of discontinued Volkswagen Group petrol engines and list of discontinued Volkswagen Group diesel engines. By the way the flat four engines are no longer assembled in any VW model in any country. In Brasil is now an EA 111 engines assembled in the microbus.http://www.vw.com.br/home/main.asp]]


 * The K70 didn't use the middle pressure engine. Middle pressure engines were a family of engines once developed by Mercedes in the late Fifties for a proposed military vehicle and after the failure of that project dumped onto the Auto Union (a company owned by Daimler-Benz at that time) where it was used in a modified DKW F102 body to form the first Audi car for the relaunch of that marque. The middle pressure engines were used in that first Audi, in the first generation of the Audi 100 and in a heavily modified form (converted to SOHC instead of pushrod valve gear) in the second generation Audi 100 as well as in the VW LT light commercial van and the original Porsche 924.

The VW K70 used an engine developed by NSU by converting their air-cooled four cylinder to water cooling. As NSU was owned by Audi at that time (forming the Audi NSU Auto Union AG) and Auto Union in turn was acquired by VW the proposed NSU K70 (press material was already printed showing that name) became the VW K70. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.24.32.36 (talk) 11:01, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

What about the flat 4 engines?
What about the air cooled flat 4 engines that were in the Beetle, Vanagon, Microbus and other models? Look and edit them to list of discontinued Volkswagen engines By the way: There is no Vokswagen flat 4 engine build around the world. The last flat 4 is reverted by the EA111 engine in the bus in brasil

Reorganisation
I've done a major reorganisation for clarity. Since two months, I'm a regular editor of this page, and addition after addition, organisation was lacking. I don't know every model number so I couldn't continue in this way. So I ordered engines by
 * 1) Energy (Petrol/Diesel)
 * 2) Number of cylinders
 * 3) Power and displacement of the model

It could be nice to keep no more than three tiers, but I don't have the best ideas in the world.

For the future, when this list will be overloaded, it could be interesting to split it up into List of VW [Diesel/Petrol] engines and/or list of VW [current/discontinued] engines --Marc Lacoste 22:11, 18 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks for all the work, Marc! I propose splitting the engines into their own articles if we can find unique/correct names for them.  See for example List of Nissan engines.  --SFoskett 14:30, 17 January 2006 (UTC)


 * If we can't split the article, we need to keep in mind this list is a mess and needs to be pared down to displacements. It'll be easier to maintain, and it'll be easier to read. Pc13 15:03, 17 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm glad you found it useful. I'm not sure about dispatching this list into multiple sub-articles, see beside --Marc Lacoste 20:17, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

This article is a horrific unreadable mess. Tables people! Oosh (talk) 13:07, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Split

 * model articles can't be relevant: even if you and me do our best to put information on each type of engine, it's often a collection of facts rather than a complete article. It isn't prose, with the history of the model, the name of his engineers, their conditions of work... material to write a complete article, but 1. construction 2. output 3. applications. They can't be complete articles, the ones which could be featured.
 * the list is useful in itself: The list made possible comparison between models directly. The mass of information and illustrations are pleasant. It's only 35.4 kB now.
 * first split: I will be glad if we split it up into two sections: diesel and petrol. Clarity ensues, but information density is good.
 * maintainability: I completely agree with Pc13, we need to keep out the deadlinks through redirections and we need to keep a list of Volkswagen Group engines with limited info.
 * correct names: I don't think we can find correct names fast, so i propose to continue to use the commercial names --Marc Lacoste 20:53, 17 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I've done a preview of want I was thinking with List of Volkswagen AG petrol engines and List of Volkswagen AG diesel engines glued by List of Volkswagen AG engines. I added the AG because these are Volkswagen group engines, including Audi engines for example. --Marc Lacoste 21:59, 17 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Because of Lack in interest (including me) and difficult maintainability, I redirected those thre new pages to this one. We could reconsider a split for another time. --Marc Lacoste 20:46, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Names
I've though about grouping the engines together by engine codes, but found it impossible. As you all can see here, the AUB and AUD are a 1.4L straight-4 petrol, the AUC is a 1.0L straight-4 petrol, but the AUF is a 2.5L straight-5 Diesel. Similarly, the AEA and AEE are a 1.6L straight-4 petrol, the AEB is a 1.8L straight-4 petrol, but the AEC is a 4.2L V8 and the AEF a 1.9L straight-4 Diesel. --Pc13 13:33, 18 January 2006 (UTC)


 * This link is great. But even if we know all the codes, this information is less important than the commercial designation. We should add it, but I still use a 1.9 TDI passat, not a AHH passat :)--Marc Lacoste 17:31, 18 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Grouping by commercial designation may not be appropriate. For example, there are two 1.6L engines, one with 1595cc, and one 1598cc. The first is related to the larger 1.8L and 2.0L, and the second to the smaller 1.0L and 1.4L. Pc13 00:15, 19 January 2006 (UTC)


 * the commercial designation used (mostly me) for now includes the output i.e. 130hp 1.9 TDI for more precision, that's the way VW marketes his models (Golf TDI 130). In my mind it's more useful for the reader to search for the common designation, then who indicates the model number, and learn there is different 1.6L with different ascendance. For example, it was hard to find the 1.9 TDI 90 in the list you pointed. --Marc Lacoste 22:48, 19 January 2006 (UTC)


 * But the designations TDI 90 or TDI 130 are not used by Audi, Skoda or SEAT. In addition, there isn't much diference between the different 1.8T engines that they need different headings. It would be better to have a paragraph detailing how VW has different power outputs. Likewise for the 1.9 TDI. And the 1.6 8-valve and 1.6 16-valve are different designs, so that should be covered. In my view it is imperative to discover the correct names of the engine families. Pc13 21:56, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Specifically for VW enthusiasts, it is very important to include the engine code (e.g. ABA, AAA,). Information can be readily found by searching or asking at http://vwvortex.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.82.170.213 (talk) 05:24, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

2.7T
This engine is listed under the 190-some HP engine, but the 2.7T used in the Audi A6 indeed has 250 hp, and uses a twin-turbo system. "2.7T" shouldn't be listed under the 190hp version.

The 2.7T is not longer assembled in any VW or Audi Type. Take a look in list of discontinued Volkswagen engines. Here are all versions listed from the base 230hp up to the RS 4 380hp! The base of this engine and the 2.5TDI (V6) is the 2.8 (2771ccm) block.

1.2TSI
Has anyone the engine Data from the new 1.2TSI? It seems that this engine is a Aluminium, 2VAlve turbocharged engine with direct injetion.

Ignition system
The information on the ignition system of the 1.2 TSI engine is inaccurate: unlike 1.4 TSI, this engine doesn't have individual spark coils. Rather, it has ignition switch+coil(s) module connected to spark plugs via high-voltage wires. 95.128.244.10 (talk) 17:01, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Engines developed by subsidiaries prior to submission
If this is a list of "automobile engines that Volkswagen or its subsidiaries uses today", then shouldn't it include the engines used in Lamborghinis and Bentleys? Or is this list only for engines developed by VAG that are still being installed into vehicles made by Volkswagen or its subsidiaries?

The Lamborghini V12 engine used in the Murcielago and the Bentley (formerly Rolls-Royce) V-8 used in the Arnage and the upcoming Azure should be represented if this is a list of "automobile engines that Volkswagen or its subsidiaries uses today". Respectfully, SamBlob 21:08, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It´s a mixture of all engines that are installed in actually Volkswagen, Audi, Skoda, Seat vehicles.

So i´ve edit the Lamborghini and the Bentley-Cosworth V8 into the List. Greatings from Tualin...


 * It looks like the V10 used in the Gallardo is missing too. Is it OK to just copy the specs from the linked article?  Or should it be merged with the Audi V10 based on the Lambo V10? Conquerist 14:38, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

2.8L V6 ATQ still current?
Hello. As a proud owner of a 2000 Passat (US) with the 2.8L 30 valve V6, I am surprised to see that engine: "194 hp 2.8 V6 Engine code AHA/ATQ" listed as current. Even if the engine platform is still used today on 2007/2008 MY VWs, it has surely undergone an uprev in engine code. I can't verify that so I'm just mentioning that on the talk page. Best regards. Russella 23:55, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

It´s current in China an assembled in the Passat3000, the same thing as the Skoda Superb werde this engine is also assembled —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.64.224.244 (talk) 16:55, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

3.2 V6 FSI
Hello, I would like to say that there is a engine missing, the new 3.2 V6 FSI with Audi Valvelift (A5 and B8 A4). Its not the same engine as the old one, it has 3.197 cm3 cylinder space (bore x stroke: 85,5 x 92,8 mm) and the old engine have 3.123 cm3 (bore x stroke: 84,5 x 92,8 mm). Does anyone know its the same engine? I think its a new crankshaft or new pistons what makes the difference. Greetz --Toffguy (talk) 19:17, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

It´s tehe same engine with the bigger diameter and the bore distance from 90mm. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.64.228.100 (talk) 13:34, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Different, now discontinued engines
I will now move the following, now discontinued engines to the list of discontinued petrol engines: Christian Giersing (talk) 17:27, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 1.4 FSI 63-77kW
 * 1.8 20V 93kW
 * 2.0 20V 96kW

Lamborghini V12 dispute
I added the dispute section banner for the Lamborghini V12. Basically, there is an error somewhere for the measurements of the 6.5 litre variant. The stated bore & stroke of 89.0 & 90.0 gives an individual cylinder capacity of 559.9cc, which gives 6,719 cc for all 12 cyls. This is obviously different from the stated 6,496 cc. 78.32.143.113 (talk) 18:39, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, another editor provided a bore of 88.0 and a stroke of 89.0, and these now calculate perfectly to 6,496 cc - so I've removed the disputed section banner. 78.32.143.113 (talk) 21:45, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

What about Porsche engines?
They are directly related to Volkswagen Group and use many common components. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.239.71.235 (talk) 21:10, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * This article is for those engines which are physically installed primarily in vehicles from the Volkswagen Group - so if you have a Porsche engine which is similar to, but not identical to any VW Group engine - then it should't be in here. Rgds 78.32.143.113 (talk) 18:40, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Scirocco R and Golf R
Anyone have the engine details for these, I know they're 195kW and 199kW, but are they EA113 or EA888 and what variant code? Oosh (talk) 13:44, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

good
Interesting list, detailed article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.23.54.224 (talk) 19:45, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

How about the mono-charge TSI engine in China?
According to VW document (http://www.volkswagenag.com/vwag/vwcorp/info_center/de/talks_and_presentations/2010/05/Presentation_Dr__Kaiser.-bin.acq/qual-BinaryStorageItem.Single.File/8.%20Dr.%20Kaiser.pdf), Page 15, the mono-charge TSI engine in China is a kind of EA111 engine. But in this Wiki article, it looks like EA113 Engine. Is it another reverted sample of EA111? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.248.16.2 (talk) 02:10, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Engines used in more different cars
Following information should be added: the 4.2 FSI was also used in the A8 D4 and in the Audi RS5. In the A8 it produced 372 PS (273 kW), and in the RS5 it did 450 PS (331 KW). Also, the 6.75 Bentley-Biturbo V8 is used in the Mulsanne, where it develops around 510 PS but I am not exactly sure here. --Daondo (talk) 06:12, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

1.8 TSI 132kW (EA211) - a mistake?
I believe this is a mistake. There isn't 1.8 TSI engine in the EA211 family. The whole section seems like a full copy of the one for 1.4 TSI except for the power and torque numbers. 78.83.66.58 (talk) 21:52, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

5.2 V10 40v FSI (LP 560-4/R8)
"(creating an uneven firing interval of either 58 deg or 90 deg separation)"

This looks like a typo in the reference (http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/218484/lamborghini_gallardo_lp5604.html). I think this should be "54 deg or 90 deg" so as to add up to 144º (720º/5 or twice 72º).

Rps (talk) 17:48, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

I just found some more references which have 54 degrees: http://www.topspeed.com/cars/lamborghini/2012-lamborghini-gallardo-lp-570-4-spyder-performante-ar100303.html http://www.supercars.net/cars/4850.html I will correct the page. Rps (talk) 18:16, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

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The American 2.5 I5 seems to have been discontinued
I've been on VW's U.S. website and have seen none of their models available with the 2.5 straight-five engine. Should we move this to the discontinued list? I understand there would need to be research done as to exactly when this engine was phased out. But it seems to have been totally gone by the 2015 model year.

— R. J. Circus  –  contribs  -  talk  – 19:09, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

I have also looked on the websites for the Middle East and Brazilian VW pages and found that none of the models listed used the B or C series 5-cylinder engine. I will be moving this engine to the discontinued list unless someone can prove it is still in use on 2017-18 models.

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One article?
Does this much information need to be in one article? It's honestly in need of a rewrite start to finish but given the size of it that's a huge task. I think it would be better to split this into multiple pages that can reference each other if they need to. Perhaps split it up by the number of cylinders? It's just too long to be useful. 130.45.43.153 (talk) 17:18, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

I agree. I would divide it up by engine family like other manufacturers. The Nissan VQ is listed separately from the SR for instance. VAG primarily makes four cylinders so I feel like that particular method would still result in an article that's too long but I completely agree that this needs to be more than one entry. Just my opinion. 72.178.123.216 (talk) 20:39, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

V10, 4961cc, 302.7 cu, Lamborghini engine
I have a question 🤔 Which company manufactured the 2003 gallardo engine, Audi or Lamborghini made it by own? Thanks .🙏🏻 Gallardo Coupe (talk) 15:50, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Discontinued engines
A lot of these engines seem to be discontinued. Should they be moved to the article reserved for them? 2001:14BB:C1:65C0:4C92:EDFF:FE8B:5308 (talk) 13:07, 11 January 2024 (UTC)