Talk:List of WWE personnel/Archive 1

"Red links"
I'd previously removed some of the wikilinks to articles that don't exist. While red links may encourage articles to be written, the thing is, just because someone works for WWE in some capacity doesn't mean we want to encourage articles to be written about that person. --Jtalledo (talk) 23:11, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Two Comments about WWE Current Superstar Page I Have
I suggest instead of putting Jim Ross under Inactive, should not he be under the administration with the title: Executive Vice President, Business Strategies with a mention to his firing in kayfabe?

Furthermore, Would it be more logic to list the Commentators, Backstage Announcers, Ring Announcers, & GM under there specific Brand or would it be to messy --BionicWilliam 18:56, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * There aren't too many Commenators and such so leaving them with their own sections is better than splitting them up into brands. --Jtalledo (talk) 19:10, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Then aleast we should put what brand there affilated with. My reasoning is say a noobie to wrestling came on here and wanted to know who the GM's it would look like that both Bischoff & Long were Co GMs? BionicWilliam 19:46, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I marked up some of the commentators and such with their respective brands. Good idea. --Jtalledo (talk) 23:07, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Little note, edited some of the "Inactive" lists. Dupree has a hernia that's got infected, Helms recently returned on Unlimited and Striker's been doing more stuff recently. 212.56.102.74 20:30, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Alphabetizing issues
I see that wrestlers with normal names are alphabetized by last name but people like Super Crazy are as well. For wrestlers like Super Crazy and Super Porky, wouldn't it make more sense to just use the first letter of their name since it's not like we are supposed to believe that Mr. and Mrs. Crazy had a little boy and decided to call him "Super." --Darren Jowalsen 22:14, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
 * True. These kinds of entries should be alphabetized by the first letters of their stage names. --Jtalledo (talk) 22:47, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

I suggest we all the workers in order by the first letter of there stage name as on WWE’s Superstar page but not by articals like for example: Undertaker besides The Undetaker, Rock besides the Rock That would get rid of part-time wrestlers and managers/divas but it would also stop reverting wars that has been going on. BionicWilliam 19:49, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

The current alphabetical order listing is fine; no reason to change it. S W D 3 1 6 talk to m e 23:15, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

About OVW & DSW Roster’s in general
I would suggest we should split their rosters up into development and the exclusive rosters. Seeing as it is hard to believe every one of those stars under those lists are under WWE Superstar or WWE Developmental Superstar Contracts. BionicWilliam 19:49, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

All the people listed here do have developmental contracts, there's no reason to seperate them. S W D 3 1 6 talk to m e 23:15, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Actually, not all the wrestlers in OVW and DSW have developmental contracts. Since this page is a WWE roster page, I feel only those in OVW and DSW with WWE contracts should be listed. James

WWE Superstars sent to OVW & DSW
Shouldn't the Raw and SmackDown Superstars that were sent to OVW and DSW be on those lists and not the "inactive roster" list? I don't see how they are "inactive". --Wwfanz 00:26, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

He is inactive!
I put Danny basham on the inactive list because on his page he said he had not wresteled since september THATS INACTIVE! But someone took him off the list. take a look at his profile for yourself! DINOMAN 18.25 3 January 2006 (GMT)


 * That's not true. Recently, December 18, he competed against Ken Doane at a RAW brand house show. He is active as far as we know. The Wikipedia article about him is out dated. S W D 3 1 6  talk to me 02:11, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

parisi and dupree
Johnny parisi and rene dupree currently wrestle for OVW and DSW (according to their profiles) so take them of the inactive list and put them on OVW and DSW roster. DINOMAN 20:13, 4 January 2006 (UTC) (UCT) 20:12 JANUARY 4TH

Inactive list
I moved Striker and Kash back too their respective rosters. Striker is still appearing on TV (HEAT) and while even though Kash is injured, he hasn't yet missed ring time. I remember we had this same issue with Edge and Batista about a month ago. Anon. User, 8 January, 2006.

Title
Is there a reason "roster" isn't capitalized on the title of the page? Same thing with the previous roster. Trosk 20:43, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Inactive
How long should someone not appear/compete until they're considered inactive? I think Vito should put on the inactive list. Trosk 17:12, 18 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Good question. I'm not sure.  Don't forget too that just because they aren't on TV doesn't mean they're not doing house shows.  If you see that a particular wrestler hasn't been on TV/Webshows or at the house shows for at least a month I'd put them under Inactive.  If you do put them under inactive, be sure to mark their last appearance for the brand.  --JFred 00:41, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Juniors
I recently found a website called LuchaWiki. On that website, it shows that Mascarita Sagrada used to be known as Mini Nova and that Tsuki was known as Max Mini. I know on this website that Mascarita Sagrada is credited with being Max Mini. Is someone able to investigate this further? If so, please let me know your findings. Thanks. --JFred 04:11, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Just to add, I found out on another website that there were two versions of Mascarita Sagrada, with the current version being the former Max Mini. It also sounds like the original version of Mascarita Sagrada is currently portraying Tsuki and was also Mini Nova. --JFred 20:58, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Todd Grisham
I noticed that Todd Grisham is listed as both an announcer/interviewer and a commentator. Should he really be listed under both? If so, then so should Josh Mathews on SmackDown!. --JFred 16:57, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I propose that the two sections be merged into Interviewers, Announcers, and Commentators. tv316 17:00, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. --JFred 17:24, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Inactive roster
I have moved Dalip Singh, The Miz, Trinity and Angel Williams back to their respective developmental rosters since they are still active on those rosters. We should only move them to the main roster once they debut. --JFred 00:50, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

The Gymini
I propose moving The Gymini page to The Shane Twins since that is their name and Gymini is only their WWE gimmick. --JFred 01:58, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Reason for Torrie Wilson Name Change
Torrie is short for Victoria, Changed her name to Victoria Anne Gruner, see Torrie Wilson

Reason why it is now Fuji Cakes and not Fugee Cakes
From the person that has been providing OVW house show results on the internet, as posted on the OVW community on LiveJournal:

"Per a discussion with a wrestler I had yesterday and further evidenced by an internet search I just ran, I need to issue an apology.

For any wrestler's names I have butchered in reports I apologize. I have found that many of my reports have been used to flesh out rosters people are keeping online from just personal sites to even wikipedia. At most live events I only have what I can make out over the PA to use as a wrestler's name. Sometimes it's a simple matter of mis-interpretation on a spelling (see: Fuji-Cakes misspelled as Fugee Cakes). Other times it is a combination of my degraded hearing combined with heavily garbled announcers (see: Aaron LaMotta mis-translated to Aaron LaMonta).

Even though I only do this for fun I still like to take a little more pride in my write ups than to throw incorrect information out there. Please feel free to call me on any screw ups you may catch."

Here's the link to the community: http://community.livejournal.com/ovw_wrestling/

The entry is dated Feb 19, 2006. --JFred 09:36, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
Someone keeps adding VanitySixx to the RAW inactive roster. As far as I know, VanitySixx doesn't exist, but they've created an article for that "character". I'm not exactly sure what to do, so would someone please help me with this. --JFred 03:28, 4 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks, whoever deleted the article. --JFred 20:24, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Josh Mathews
Should Josh Matthews be moved to inactive since he might have been killed?


 * Nah, it's just a storyline. I'm sure that next week it will be revealed that he wasn't killed.  I'd leave him where he is for now.  If after a few weeks he's off the air, then he can be moved to inactive.  --JFred 18:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Locking
I really feel that this page needs to be locked for a little bit, the vadalism is getting out of hand people adding wrestlers on the roster who aren't even there or rumoured to be goign on the roster. The constant adding of jeff hardy is become a joke, he isn't going back there and there hasn't even been any rumours of it, yet people whp arent members are always adding him. Lil crazy thing 12:55, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree whole heartedly. --JFred 15:17, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Palmer Cannon
He needs to be removed because he has left the company. Here is a link for the story: Article --Crazy4metallica 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * But WWE hasn't officially accepted his resignation and are trying to talk him into coming back. At most, he should be moved to Inactive until WWE confirms his leaving or he decides to come back.  --JFred 20:55, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

I dealeated palmer Canon in the inactive roster so JFred your cool user:Vince k

I readded Palmer Cannon to WWE roster page (see JFred above for reasoning), since it not been confirmed he quit just that he left the tour. BionicWilliam 23:17, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Even though WWE hasn't released anything on wwe.com about it, he is gone. He is no longer on the Smackdown roster page. The inactives are still isted though. Therefore, he shoudl be deleted. Crazy4metallica 15:10, 26 April 2006 (UTC)Crazy4metallica

Jillian Hall/ Angel Williams
I keep on seeing that unregistered users say that Angel would debut on the April 28 2006 edition of Smackdown, which is not true because she is still injured and anyways she needs to get some workout before debuting on TV. I think that you'll should block this 2 particular divas pages from unregistered users and just registered users can edit.

Sincerly,

JustMaria

Ashley Massaro Finishing/Signatures Moves
People keep on putting in bold letters Ashely's finishing moves, i could've sworn that they were in blue, also i use to remember that she had a long list and that somebody erase them i think that person shoudn't do that because besides Finishing Moves, Signatures moves are also put there.

Sincerly,

JustMaria
 * Lol really the wrong page for this disscussion but i will answer anyway... you must understand what is deamed a signature move a Schoolgirl roll up and other generic moves for girls spear takedown followed by punches/slaps isnt signature nor is a move which a person performs once in one match considered signature... well noted move which are closely associated with a wrestler are considered signature... i.e. the Monkey Flip being it was the very first move she used to display her wrestling abillity and a move she would go on to frequently use. --- Paulley

Venus (Wrestler)
The reason why i deleted Venus from the list is because she doesn't work in OVW anymore, she receive a try-out match but she lost her first match so she doesn't work in OVW anymore.

Sincerly,

JustMaria

OVW
If anyone is interested, there is an OVW LiveJournal community here that I monitor. One user, shivelycore, regularly posts house show results in the community, as well as notes and results from the TV tapings. --JFred 00:12, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

question about the raw inactive roster
can someone tell me where the person that put it there found that ric flair had lens restoration surgery? Thanks.
 * Websites like Gerweck.net and Wrestlezone.com posted it, though he won't be out long. --JFred 01:08, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
 * thanks.why havent they posted it on wwe.com though?
 * Who knows... --JFred 01:19, 24 April 2006 (UTC)



Sabu
Sabu was signed but where do we put him?
 * That is the exact reason I haven't readded him myself. Apparently WWE is bringing back the ECW brand full-time, and I am guessing he's going to be part of that, but we shouldn't include ECW as part of the roster just yet since not enough details are known at this time.  Right now, Sabu is listed under the Legends Program since he also has a legends contract with WWE due to his past ECW work.  As far as the actual roster goes, I'd leave him off until we are able to properly add the upcoming ECW roster, which will most likely be right after One Night Stand 2.  --JFred 20:22, 25 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Since "ECW" superstars are going to be contracted to WWE, when the time comes when there are enough members of the roster, there should be a seperate listing between the SmackDown! brand and the OVW rosters. In fact, I'm about to add a seperate heading between main rosters and developmental territories. ECW should be considered a main roster. As to where Sabu is going to be listed, lets just wait until the ECW roster is formed. Although Sabu is going to appear on RAW/Backlash, he should not be added to the RAW brand. I am also going to start the ECW list. M o e   ε  21:36, 26 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I have now started the ECW brand list. I added Sabu to the list and Paul Heyman and Tommy Dreamer as the personnel at ECW since they are no handling things there. M o e   ε  21:38, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Jeff Hardy
Can you guys think about a "possible returns section on this list the wwe has informaly approched jeff hardy about returning.
 * don't think so, that would be pure speculation. Besides, it's only informal talks, nothing formal, so I'd say no.  --JFred 00:28, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I have to agree, it's the same way that WWE was talking to Brock Lesnar about returning a few months ago but nothing happened from it. Spyke 00:58, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Double listings
To reduce confusion, I have merged together Vince McMahon, Shane McMahon and Jim Ross' double listings. Example: Jim Ross is the RAW announce team and is the Executive Vice President of Business Strategies, I have erased his name under the administartion and placed text next to his name under the announcers that says also Executive Vice President of Business Strategies. If anyone has a comment on it, post it here. M o e  ε  21:36, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Tag Teams
I think that Noble and Kid Kash should be added as a tag team, they team up very frequently on Velocity. In fact, it's been a quite a while since either were in a singles match and not teaming with the other. I recenlty added it, but it was taken off, and I don't understand how they are not a tag team.--User:Sentinel Boy 21:17, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

ECW Brand
Please no one add people to the ECW Brand until they have signed contracts with WWE. The only one to have actually signed a contract so far is Sabu. Everyone else has only been offered contracts, but haven't signed yet. When they do sign, that's when you can add them, otherwise leave them under the heading "Offered Contracts by WWE". Thanks. --JFred 00:26, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Axl Rotton recently confirmed he has signed with the WWE. It is on his Wikipedia page and on WrestlingObserver.com so it is safe to put him under the ECW brand. --AugustWinterman 16:15 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Booker T and Khali
Booker T with Sharmell is not a stable or a tag team, therefore they should be removed from that section along with The Great Khali with Daivari. Crazy4metallica 03:34, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think so too. One wrestler with a manager/valet doesn't seem to fit the description of either a stable or a tag team.  --JFred 03:42, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Angel Williams/Jillian HAll
I am getting tired of people putting false stuff on their pages you'll should block this pages from unregistered Users. They put stupid stuff that is not even true.

Sincerly,

JustMaria

P.S (Please somebody do something)

List of WWE Divas
On the page somebody put Serena, Roni Jonah, Venus, Sosay, Fuji Cakes, Synn on the List of WWE Divas under the OVW Brand, that is so stupid the page is called LIST OF WWE DIVAS not other people that are not currently contracted to WWE. Also under the DSW Brand somebody put Tracey Taylor, Daisy Mae as WWE Divas that is WRONG!

Sincerly,

JustMaria

Tracey Taylor
I need somebody to fix Tracey Taylor, is not TRACEY TAYLOR is TRACY TAYLOR, please somedbody fix this

Sincerly,

JustMaria

request for unprotection
i'm requesting for unprotection for this page, please do unlock it , i think we should revert the vandalism when there is untrue stuff and when we find an interesting rumor or storyline coming up for a WWE Superstar we should put ,P.S, please do unlock this page for protection ,THANKS.
 * We should not put rumored future storylines here because a) it's not confirmed and b) Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. --JFred 22:11, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Joey Styles
Shouldnt he be moved to inactive since he kayfabe quit?
 * Did he kayfabe quit? Yes. But at the same time, not everything on the roster page is part of kayfabe.  --JFred 23:56, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I doubt he will be on Raw for a long time and Chavo Guerrero is listed as Kayfabe retired

request for unprotection
PLEASE UNLOCK THIS PAGE because y'all said that this page is going to be locked for a little and i think that it is has been for a while since y'all locked it and now y'all need to unlock it since the vandalism has stopped on this page, now please UNLOCK IT THANKS.

Chloe
The only reason I put her in the inactive list because I did not see that dog since couple months ago before Torrie and Candice had a feud.
 * Chloe is a dog. Need I say more.  Besides, we already had a discussion about Chloe, which concluded that "she" should not be included on the roster.  Also, Chloe has a subsection on Torrie Wilson's page.  Oh, btw, learn to spell please.  --JFred 02:30, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Kurt Angle's Return
On the recent SmackDown!, Kurt Angle is reportedly coming back on Judgement Day, so should his arrival date change from unknown to Judgement Day?

Drew Hankinson
Is he still under developmental contract? I haven't heard about him since he signed. --JFred 00:36, 19 May 2006 (UTC)


 * If he's still contracted and isn't wrestling, I would place him under the inactive until his release is confirmed. D G  X  21:17, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Hes wrestling now as the masked kane.


 * Yeah, we didn't realize he and "Freakin' Deacon" Dorian Deville were the same person. It's fixed now.  --JFred 09:29, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Kane Profile
Kanes profile has been vandalized. Everything has been destroyed except the early career section. It needs to be updated again and protected.

Kane To Smackdown, Undertaker Part Time
I have decided to move Kanes name to the smackdown roster as on his bio, he is aid to be performing for sd!n and i believe undertaker now works part time for wwe, shouldnt somebody put him that section?


 * With respect to Kane on SD!, that was a one time appearance, as it aired the same day his movie was released. WWE.com still lists him as part of RAW.  As for Undertaker, I'm not sure.  I know he basically works part time for SD!, but I have a feeling that if he is moved to the Part-Time section, everytime he returns, some anon. user will place him back to where he is now.  I'd say it's best to leave him where he is.  --JFred 17:49, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Chavo Guerrero
Since Chavo has appeared at Judgement Day and SD! last week, shouldn't he be listed under SD! in a non-wrestling role? --JFred 01:53, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I guess, until his innevitable return to ring occurs. D G  X  16:44, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Female vs. Women's Division
After a discussion between JustMaria and myself, where I wanted to add Lita to RAW's Female subsection and add a Female subsection to SmackDown!, Maria then said the status quo was better to distinguish between the one's that wrestle and the one's that valet. I suggested that, to avoid confusion under RAW why some women weren't under Female, I suggested to change the name of the subsection to Women's Division, which better identifies which women should be listed under that subsection. --JFred 04:22, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Ugh, now DGX is discussing semantics with me (see here and here). We need a discussion on this. --JFred 04:48, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

THANK U JFRED
ALSO SOMEBODY IS SPOILING ON MICHELLE'S BIOGRAPHY SAYING THAT SHE DEBUTED ON JUNE 2, 2006 THAT HASN'T PASSED YET SO I DELETE IT. ALSO ME AND LIL CRAZY THING HAD AN ARGUMENT BECAUSE SHE KEPT ON PUTTING LITA AND MELINA TO THE FEMALE SECTION OF RAW AND ALSO MARIA KANELLIS. FIRST OF ALL MARIA IS A BACKSTAGE INTERVIEWER NOT A FULL-TIME WRESTLER, SECONDLY MELINA CURRENT STATUS IS THAT SHE JUST MANAGING AND LITA IS JUST MANAGING FOR RIGHT NOW, ALSO SHE KEPT ON PUTTING KRISTAL, SHARMELL, AND JILLIAN AS FEMALES WHICH I DISAGREE BECAUSE SMACKDOWN DOESN'T HAVE FULL-TIME DIVA WRESTLERS YET. ALSO LIL CRAZY THING SAID THAT SHE CAN DO ANYTHING SHE WANTS. AND I TOLD HER THAT TRY TO MAKE IT PROFESSIONAL BECAUSE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE VIEW WRESTLER'S BIO AND SHE SAID THAT SHE DIDN'T CARE. ALSO I KEEP ON SEEING THAT ON THE DIVA'S BIO THEY PUT A FEUD WITH (DIVA), I THINK IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE PUTTING A, I SUGGEST JUST TO PUT FEUD WITH (DIVA. SOMEBODY PLEASE FIX THIS.

THANK YOU,

SINCERLY,

JUSTMARIA


 * let me just state some things as i really dislike people twisting my words, i didnt once say i didnt care about the pages, thats a lie, i take great effort in the wrestlers pages i edit, if i didnt care i would be a vandal and i'm not. I didn't say i can do what i would like, that is also a lie, i said if i wanted to edit something i will do. The reason which i stated as to why i put them there is that there females and i think all the females should be together if they wrestle or not it shouldnt matter, none of them are part-time anything as there all on full time contracts and appear every week thats not part time. The main thing i'm getting annoyed at is it comes down to a few people that seem to be the only ones allowed to edit something without it being reverted at some point on this page. Lil crazy thing 20:19, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Male-female dispute
Why can't we just have it to where it says male and female and write text to the name of the person. Its very simple and it doesn't cause the edit war of who is a wrestler and who's not. Female=female and male=male and no edit wars. This way is much simiplar. D G X  19:49, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
U JUST RUINED EVERYTHING!!!!

JFRED DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS!


 * Look, I know it seems odd like this, but its for the better. Name one problem that could occur from this. And please remove your CAPS LOCK. D G  X  19:57, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

u shoud've leave it like how it was it was much easier for viewers to see who actually is a announcer, referee.......................etc

i say if u don't know anything about wrestling do not evedn mess with it


 * Sorry, I do know stuff about about wrestling. I've been following it since I was 5 years old, so I know a lot more than some people. See your talk page. D G  X  20:04, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Theres no point arguing with this person DGX she wants everything on the page to be the way she wants it, i've already had this discussion with her, if she doesnt like it she think its her right to have it all changed back. Lil crazy thing 20:21, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, I discussed it with her and it seems that we have come to an understanding somewhat. Does anybody else have anyother comments towards the new format? D G  X  20:32, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I liked it the other way. I think she ruined it. Levodevo 20:21, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * First, who changed it was me, and I'm a he. ;-) Next, could you give me a reason why it's ruined? And finally, the reason for this drastic change was because of mass ongoing dispute to who is a wrestler, names of division, definition of part-time and this format ends that debate. D G  X  20:48, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

NIKITA
nobody has confirmed that Nikita would be on OVW.


 * Moved to Inactive --> others. D G  X  20:07, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Nikita herself comfirm she was moving to OVW Lil crazy thing 20:19, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Things can always change, so we better leave under Inactive's others section until she makes her debut. (Not that you moved it or anything ;-))  D G  X  20:40, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

na i didnt move it, just put she signed a developmental contract as she hasnt signed a full WWE contract it's only developmental at the time being and i was going by what she said on where she was going as shes moving from the UK to go to OVW. Lil crazy thing 20:42, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

THANK U!!!
THANK U JFRED


 * stop sucking up to JFred, it back to how it should be to save arguements. Do i need to remind you the page isn't yours, you cant and will not have your own way with it. Just because you don't like it a certain way doesnt mean no else can. Just leave it be your the only one making a fuss about it. just stop being childish over the matter of wanting your own way. Lil crazy thing 21:59, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Please avoid avoid personal attacks, they tend to be counter productive. Thanks! --Jtalledo (talk) 22:04, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

everything was fine
everything was fine until lil crazy thing and dgx started editing, y can't we just leave it the original way it was yesterday

Sincerly, JustMaria
 * I'm not trying to get involved in this dispute, but please sign your name by typing four tildes, like this: ~ Thanks! --Jtalledo (talk) 22:32, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * no everything wasn't fine, it hasn't been for a while with that version, you only want it that way because you liked it and it suited you. Lil crazy thing 22:31, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Edit wars
Everyone just stop editing for a minute and explain how you want it too look and why. --JFred 22:25, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I would rather all the females be put together as it really stops with this whole do they belong here or not, none of the divas are part time anything. If it doesnt go back to how DGX had it then the version it is now could be ok. But the whole i like it this way so no one else can change it attitude really has to stop, the page isn't anyones, its everyones to edit, just because one person doesnt like it doesn't mean it can't be that way Lil crazy thing 22:30, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

it should be like this

RAW Brand:

Male

Female

Part-Time Wrestlers and Non-Wrestlers

Commentators and Announcers (ADD MARIA KANELLISA AS BACKSTAGE INTERVIEWERS

then for SMACKDOWN BRAND

Male

Female (WE CAN CHANGE THIS TO FEMALE FRIDAY WHEN ASHELY AND MICHELLE DEBUT, LIKE THAT WE CAN ADD JILLIAN, MICHELLE AND ASHLEY AS FEMALE JUST LIKE IN THE RAW BRAND)

BUT UNTIL FRIDAY IT SHOULD BE LIKE THIS

Male

Part-Time Wrestlers and Non-Wrestlers (PUT JILLIAN, SHARMELL)

Commentators and Announcers (ADD KRISTAL MARSHALL AS NACKSTAGE INTERVIEWERS)

THERE THAT IS HOW I THINK IS THE BEST WAY TO SETTLE THIS+

JustMaria 22:39 ,31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not trying to get involved in this dispute, but please sign your name by typing four tildes, like this: ~ Thanks! --Jtalledo (talk) 22:32, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Can you please stop with the capitals, we can read what your saying with capitals it isn't needed and using capitals over the internet is consider shouting. But this is what i mean but how justmaria is acting, she isn't willing to change a single thing because she doesn't like it, at least i'm willing to accept it to how JFred put it if the other version isn't wanted Lil crazy thing 22:35, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

The way I see it, Male and Female (Main Rosters) are for wrestlers (May need to add to headings to reflect this). I had RAW Female as Women's division to reflect this, but it got changed. I don't see a need for the term "part-time wrestlers". And since Commentators and such are non-wrestlers, they should be grouped as such, considering their role is already beside their name. I would consider managers/valets as non-wrestlers too. --JFred 22:42, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * i think we should just leave it how it is now, i don't see the need for a seperate section for announcers and that though so just keep them all under non wrestlers. justmaria also needs to give it a rest. Lil crazy thing 22:46, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

no why?

look like u said u do nor either own the page

please sign your comments like this ~, you need to give it a rest with the constant un-needed edits, till you get your way. i'm not acting like i own the page in anyway, i'm trying to comprimise with JFred on the page, which you are not willing to even attempt to. Lil crazy thing 22:53, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm trying to be neutral here, but JustMaria, Wikipedia is about compromise between editors and if you are unwilling to compromise an administrator will block you. If you have a reason for wanting it a certain way, please explain, otherwise everyone else will think your just being difficult. --JFred 23:01, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * She is just being difficult though.. D G  X  23:05, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Please don't make changes to my comment. Thanks.  --JFred 23:16, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Who made a change? D G  X  23:18, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

i just did i said y it should be broken down into subsections on my comment that i left earlier. and so you'll mean that by breaking down into subsections is hard?

JustMaria 23:08, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

by breaking down into subsections is more simpler for everyone to look for what they are looking for also like i said we can add a female section to smackdown this friday when ashley and michelle debut, like that we can also add Jillian.

Also Announcers, Backstage Interviewers, and commentators consider one group

so that is y we should break it down into subsections to make everything simple and easy

JustMaria 23:12; 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * And besides that being the most illiterate sentence I ever read, it isn't hard to break it down into sections, I said we should discuus before doing it again. I was trying to prevent future edit wars, but all you want to do is cause them. D G  X  23:17, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * That's why I started this discussion. The Talk page is the best way to difuse an edit war.  That's why they were created.  --JFred 23:20, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I'd rather not be in this conversation, its just makes me more mad. D G  X  23:23, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Out of the three main roster brands, only RAW should have a seperate Female section because of the Women's Division (maybe changing it to that name will help). Also, like I said, commentators and such are also non-wrestlers, so it seems pointless to seperate them, especially when their exact role is already listed beside their name.  --JFred 23:15, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

ok let;s then have it this way

RAW Brand:

Male Wrestlers

Female Wrestlers

Part-Time Wrestlers/Non-Wrestlers (Include announcers, managers.....etc) (put beside their name their active role)

Staff (For example referees and GM)

SMACKDOWN Brand:

Male Wrestlers

Female Wrestlers (Add this on Friday)

Part TIme Wrestlers/ Non-Wrestlers

Staff (For example referees and GM)

JustMaria 23:18; 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Part Time? Who's Part Time? Also staff are also non-wrestlers.  I agree with the way Refs are listed now because they are also seperated from their rosters on WWE.com, and GM's are only on-air roles anyway so they are technically not staff.  the real WWE staff are listed at the bottom of the page anyway since they are not really divided between brand.  The only reason OVW and DSW have a Staff heading is because they are actually seperate companies not owned by WWE.  --JFred 23:26, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Seperating into more sections doesn't help, it makes the edit wars more frequent to which category were supposed to place it in. D G  X  23:21, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

no like JFred said he would put their active role besides their name and anyway who ever does that we can block that person can we?

JustMaria 23:25; 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Only admins can block. Also, with their role beside their name, you don't need as many subsections.  --JFred 23:29, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * So let me get this straight JustMaria, you want to have sections for every job and then list thier role next to them, a little redundent don't you think? D G  X  23:31, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

exactly on the Part-Time/Non-Wrestlers section put all interviewers, managers, commentators.. etc..


 * Thats already been done. See the roster page. But you want to add more sections to whats already there. D G  X  23:34, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

no it won't be redundant because like i said it would be more 'clean' and 'simple'

yea like add a female section to smackdown friday b/c ashley and michelle would debut and we can add them and jillian as full-time wrestlers just how lil crazy thing and JFred want it


 * Which way do want the damn format. Choose one! D G  X  23:37, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, just to clarify, are we in agreement on the current set up, with the addition of a SD! Female section on Friday since Jillian, Ashley and Michelle are not managers? --JFred 23:39, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

here like this

like how it is right now

but on friday we can add a new female section on smackdown u know what i mean b/c ashley and michelle would debut as full-time wrestlers and we can also add Jillian

how about that?

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NICE WORKING WITH U DGX

I MEAN JFRED

SORRY LOL!

SO IT'S FINE LIKE THAT?


 * Yeah, lol, very funny wiseguy. Who turned you're CAPS LOCK back on? D G  X  23:44, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, for future reference, to avoid edit wars, anyone who wants to make a significant change should propose it on the talk page first. --JFred 23:45, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

exactly

JustMaria 23:47; 31 May 2006


 * Good luck in trying to get anon IP's and other stubborn users to get to post here first. D G  X  00:02, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


 * True, but they are not the one's that do these kind of changes. They mostly vandalize and treat rumor and speculation like it's true.  That is also why this page is protected from anon. editors.  --JFred 00:09, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


 * If it's an actual editor, just redirect them to the talk page then, like I did with all of you. --JFred 00:10, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Here is what it should look like...

RAW

Male

Carlito Charlie Haas Edge Eugene Gene Snitsky Goldust Harry Smith John Cena Johnny Johnny Nitro Kane Kenny Lance Cade Masked Kane Matt Striker Mick Foley Mikey Mitch Nicky Randy Orton Rob Conway Shelton Benjamin Trevor Murdoch Triple H Umaga Viscera

Female

Candice Michelle Lita - Manager of Edge; Occassional wrestler Maria - Interviewer; Occassional wrestler Melina - Manager of Johnny Nitro; Occassional wrestler Mickie James Torrie Wilson Victoria

Non-Wreslters

Armando Alejandro Estrada - Manager of Umaga Chole - Torrie Wilson's pet dog "Hacksaw" Jim Duggan - Tutor of Eugene; Occassional wrestler Jerry "The King" Lawler - Colour commentator for Raw; Occassional wrestler Jim Ross - Executive Vice President of Business Strategies; Play-by-play commentator for Raw Justin Roberts - Ring announcer Lilian Garcia - Ring announcer Shane McMahon - Occassional wrestler Todd Grisham - Commentator for Heat; Also an interviewer Vince McMahon - Interim General Manager; WWE Chairman; Occassional wrestler

Inactive Talent

Beth Phoenix - Fractured mandible Chris Masters - Will be taking time off due to drug-related issues Danny Basham - Inactive from Raw since a dark match on February 13 JBL - "Kayfabe: Forced to quit Smackdown!"; Actually taking time off to rest injuries to his lower back, also may be moved to Raw Johnny Parisi - Inactive from Raw since February 13 Rene Dupree - Recovering from a hernia operation Ric Flair - "Kayfabe: Injured by Umaga"; Taking time off after getting remarried Robbie McAlister - Debuting soon Rory McAlister - Debuting soon Shawn Michaels - Suffering from a leg injury, will need surgery Stacy Keibler - Not appearing for WWE anymore; Is waiting for contract to expire Trish Stratus - Dislocated shoulder, still appearing on TV Val Venis - Had elbow surgery April 6, out for an expected 8-10 weeks

SMACKDOWN

Male

Bobby Lashley Brian Kendrick Finlay Funaki Gregory Helms Gunner Scott Jake Gymini Jamie Noble Jesse Gymini Ken Kennedy Kid Kash King Booker Mark Henry Matt Hardy Psicosis Rey Mysterio Scotty 2 Hotty Simon Dean Super Crazy Sylvan Tatanka The Great Khali Undertaker - Part-time wrestler Vito William Regal

Female

Ashley Jillian Hall Kristal - Also an interviewer Michelle McCool

Non-Wrestlers

Chavo Guerrero - Appears in a non-wrestling role Daivari - Manager of The Great Khali; Occassional wrestler Josh Mathews - Commentator for Velocity; Also an interviewer Michael Cole - Managing Editor of WWE.com; Play-by-play commentator for Smackdown! The Leprechaun - Manager of Finlay The Miz - Host of Smackdown! Theodore Long - General Manager of Smackdown! Tony Chimel - Ring announcer Smarmell - Manager of King Booker Steve Romero - Commentator for Velocity

Inactive Talent

Batista - Rehabbing a tricep injury, returning on July 7th Boogeyman - "Kayfabe: Served with restraining order by Booker T"; Actually had surgery April 4 to repair a left biceo tear Chris Benoit - "Kayfabe: Injured by Mark Henry"; Actually taking time off due to shoulder problems Doug Basham - Inactive from Smackdown since a dark match on February 13 Hardcore Holly - Has a serious staph infection after having undergone arm surgery Joey Mercury - Being sent to drug rehab Nacho Paul Burchill - "Kayfabe: Injured by Mark Henry"; Actually having knee surgery done Paul London - Staph infection in his arm

ECW

Male

Al Snow Axl Rotten Balls Mahoney Big Show C.W. Anderson Danny Doring Justin Credible Kurt Angle Little Guido Rob Van Dam Sabu - Also has a legends contract Sandman Stevie Richards Terry Funk Tommy Dreamer - Also ECW booker Tony Mamaluke

Female

Francine Jazz

Non-Wrestlers

Joey Styles - Play-by-play commentator Paul Heyman - ECW booker Steven DeAngelis - Ring announcer Tazz - Colour commentator; Occassional wrestler

Inactive Talent

Akio - Signed contract and is being considered for ECW brand Beulah McGillicutty - May have signed a contract for ECW brand Gangrel - Debuting soon Joel Maximo - Signed contract, possibly for ECW brand Jose Maximo - Signed contract, possibly for ECW brand Shannon Moore - Signed contract and is being considered for ECW brand Sylvester Terkay - Signed contract and is being considered for ECW brand Test - Signed contract and is being considered for ECW brand