Talk:List of WWE personnel/Archive 11

Stop IP's from vandalizing this page.
What do we do to block IP's from editing this page? There has been a huge amount of vandalism over the past few days. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doppy88 (talk • contribs) 04:11, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

You can get the page protected. MATTtalk 04:35, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I made a request at WP:RFPP this morning, it hasn't been commented on for some reason. —  Κ aiba  04:36, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I have the page on my watchlist but I know what y'all mean. We need to put a end to this.  #1 Metallica  Fan   Your Hancock 15:40, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Semi-protected, for three days, this should stop them for the time being while everything is sorted good. :) —  Κ aiba  19:24, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Recent Additions To The Rosters
Lena Yada - ECW Eve Torres - Smackdown
 * these are wrestlers they are just in the developmental territories for the time being. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.85.139.197 (talk) 00:28, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * O.K, and what are we supposed to do?  #1 Metallica  Fan   Your Hancock 15:56, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Katie Lea and Paul Burchill
Are they really considerd a tag team?  #1 Metallica  Fan   Your Hancock 16:01, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Any one? ' Z AC  H  17:33, 25 May 2008 (UTC)


 * If these guys are a tag team after one tag match together, then lets add the Brothers of Destruction as well. How about we also add the entire ECW roster as a tag team as they fought Triple H and Mr. Kennedy a few weeks back on RAW. They all shouldn't be listed as they don't team on a regular basis. -G uf fa s  B or gz   7- 20:47, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * They've tagged in handicap matches numerous times, not just once. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 22:47, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * How is it even a legitimate handicap match? It's always Paul Burchill beating up a jobber and Katie Lea making the pinfall. If it was Katie Lea actually in the ring herself: tagging in and out and wrestling by herself, then I'd be more inclined to agree. — Κ aiba  22:58, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

i agree —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.4.228.173 (talk) 08:40, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

They are wrestling as a tandem regardless, unlike say Trish and Christian when Trish teamed with Christian only once to gang up on Chris Jericho. And yes, handicap matches are still handicap matches. Haleth (talk) 12:51, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Vince McMahon
I'd list Vince on the Raw page (as WWE Owner/Chairman, occasional wrestler), because with the Million Dollar giveaway, he's going to be on a lot more, and he's been making more appearances as of late anyway.

No need for "Interim GM", because Vince is the boss and doesn't need the extra title. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Obmmrac (talk • contribs) 19:50, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Vince has appeared on Raw 3 of the last 4 weeks, he'll be on again this coming week to explain the million $ giveaway, and since Raw has no GM, he'll probably be the de-facto GM/authority figure.

Ted Dibiase Sr. has appeared on Raw the last 2 weeks to help push his son, and he has a new book coming out, so he'll be making appearances to promote it.

Vjmlhds May 29, 2008 22:59 (UTC)
 * You keep doing this. You assume things without sources to back you up. You never know what WWE is going to do, so you can't add thinks that are likely to happen, because they are not yet confirmed.  iMa tth ew T.C. 23:04, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I will agree with adding McMahon to the list under Other on air talent, but there is no source that states he is the interim GM, even though he owns WWE, still it has not been said anywhere in WWE that he was the interim GM. Second, we don't even know if DiBiase, Sr. will be at ringside every time with his son, we cannot add that because we are not a crystal ball, and no source has stated otherwise.-- S R X -- Latino Heat  23:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I never said he was going to be interim GM, nor did I give him the title, all I said was he was appearing more lately and would be appearing more in the future (as per WWE.com as he'll explain how the million $ giveaway works next week).

As far as DiBiase goes, he has been on the last 2 weeks but, I'll agree to holding off on him until Ted Jr's 1st match.

No Sr. at ringside, no adding him to the list, if the old man comes out with him, than he's on, OK?

Vjmlhds May 29, 2008 23:25 (UTC)
 * If its a one time thing, then no. But if he comes out 3 or more times, then yes, we can assume he will be his son's manager. S R X -- Latino Heat  23:39, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough.

Vjmlhds May 29, 2008 23:47 (UTC)

MAYBE Development Talents?
I've noticed that there are a number of wrestlers who frequently wrestle in FCW that have not been confirmed to have signed WWE contracts. These wrestlers include: Brandon Groom, Gabe Tuft, Mr. Yamamoto, and Vic Adams. Until some source comes up that says they've been signed, I don't think they should be added, but I think we should keep a lookout. More than likely, they are under contract considering how many shows they've worked for FCW. (I know OVW had outside talent, but FCW is WWE-run) Dahumorist (talk) 17:20, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Gabe Tuft is under contract according to the UPW (where he trained originally) website.Ashman80 (talk) 15:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Independent Contractors
WWE Wrestlers are not employees of the company they are independent contractors. If you had bothered to check my reference. The WWE Corporate website states and I quote. "Our Superstars are highly trained and motivated independent contractors whose compensation is tied to the revenue that they help generate." That is from the company itself. So please don't vandalize this article by taking down the proven fact I have put up here. To take down a proven and reference fact is vandalism.

http://corporate.wwe.com/company/events.jsp
 * Perhaps a article name change is in order? Mshake3 (talk) 03:25, 3 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh dude...believe me when I tell you that this has been like pulling teeth. All wrestlers are independent contractors and I showed some people people a plethora of stuff showing that but they refuse to believe it. Even now people want to take this out. Like it doesn't exist. This is the third major edit war that I have been a part of and I've been right all three times. This should say something...lol. But yeah, this thing has been a chore.SChaos1701 (talk) 04:08, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You know, I said that without even looking at that big discussion in the project. And believe me, I feel your frustration. I don't know if the article should be renamed (maybe List of WWE talent), but this note should be here, no question. Mshake3 (talk) 05:26, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey dude, can you undo Darrenhusted's edit. I've already done 3 in a 24 hour period and like last time, he refuses to see the truth even though what I've put up is properly referenced and indisputable and from WWE Corporate. It people like him and a few others like him that give Wikipedia such a bad name. No wonder no one wants to use this place as a source. It's editors want to ignore fact and treat this as their own personal play ground.SChaos1701 (talk) 15:41, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Darrenhusted has never even edited the article, or at least not any time recently. Double check what you're saying before you badmouth someone who's been a great editor on this website for years. Check the page history.  The Hybrid   01:24, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I checked and I misread, he messed with the discussion page. My bad. But he is still an avid user of Policy Wonkery so until that stops, my opinion stands.SChaos1701 (talk) 04:02, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Never confuse a respect for the policies with wonkery, ever. There's a difference between being legalistic and anti-anarchist. And remember, that essay about wonkery is just one man's opinion. There's a reason it isn't allowed into actual Wikipedia space like other essays.  The Hybrid   04:10, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If it walks like a duck....well...you know the rest.SChaos1701 (talk) 06:41, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You, sir, are confused, and if you base your editing philosophy off of an unofficial essay written by a controversial editor, you are also to be pitied.  The Hybrid   07:18, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Just like I was proven right in at least two other major edit wars?SChaos1701 (talk) 17:27, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You haven't been in a "major" edit war yet; only minor disputes which have nothing to do with this conversation anyway. And for the record, if one of the disputes you're referring to is the one about the sources, I was right. Anyway, I'm making a general statement about editing philosophy. If you allow other people to shape your actions for fear of fitting within some arbitrary label (that they just made up out of nowhere), then you are going to have problems.  The Hybrid   19:30, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * And for the record, I only see Darren reverting vandalism on this talk page. What did he mess up?  The Hybrid   04:14, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

This is my only edit to this page in months but I have no idea how this has anything to do with SChaos. Darrenhusted (talk) 08:16, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Like I already said said, I misread.SChaos1701 (talk) 17:29, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

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'''Jonathan coachman is currently working for espn. i'm not aloud to change it because i just made account but just so people know.''' —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ljjck1ll4z4life (talk • contribs) 02:32, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Avoiding the Edit War
Regarding this revert, I'd like to see what others think of the matter. The changes made were:


 * 1) Removing an extra line space at the top of the page
 * 2) Since "kayfabe" was the first word in the sentence, I made it capitalized.
 * 3) Brought William Regal to "Unassigned talent" because even though he is suspended, he left by being "fired from Raw", so therefore he is not currently assigned to a brand.
 * 4) In the Finlay reference, it stated he is a road agent for the WWF, clearly a mistake, so I fixed it to "WWE"
 * 5) I've moved Jonathon Coachman to Unassigned talent, as he was replaced on the SmackDown announce team, and his current status with the company remains to be seen. But for now, he is not assigned a brand.
 * 6) Carlito and Santino Marella have not tagged in a few weeks, due to Marella's feud with Cousin Sal.
 * 7) Wang Yang and Moore for whatever reason, have not tagged in weeks as well, I believe.

All of those edits were correct and constructive. NickSparrow, why did you revert them, as your edit summary did not make sense. Please respond before you revert for whatever reason.  iMa tth ew T.C. 10:23, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with everything but #6 and #7 because Marella and Carlito were in the title hunt for the World Tag Team Championship, Marella's feud hasn't interfered in that in any way, they tagged last week. Wang Yang and Moore, however, they tag on occasions, so I say they should remain as a tag team. S R X -- Latino Heat  11:39, 5 June 2008 (UTC)Why do you people change what ever i write : like i change female wrestlers to Divas; thats what they are Divas! Dmanskater11 (talk) 00:28, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

is this a reaable source
Can u watch smackdown on sky plus if u can dont watching smackdown on sky plus before its on TV proper can u use that as a reaible source for new things added e.g. roster change —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.2.49.239 (talk) 16:52, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes because this wikipedia is not limited to the United States, if it airs on "WWE" TV, its reliable, meaning anywhere around the world on WWE Television.-- S R X -- Latino Heat  16:55, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

D'Lo Brown Signed
It's up on WWE.com. I don't know how to site stuff, so if you do, add him and the sitation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CrystallixRed (talk • contribs) 17:38, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- S R X -- Latino Heat  18:05, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Alka Seltzer
On the WWE smackdown roster, there is an Alka Seltzer toy by the name of "Speedy". He has his own biography and finishing move. Should he be mentioned on the roster? 76.110.82.251 (talk) 22:22, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * No. WWE has done that many times before. It is just to promote a movie, show, or something along the lines of that. It will be taken off latter.---- Will C -- 22:23, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Alright. 76.110.82.251 (talk) 22:34, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Dave Kapoor being listed twice
Is it really necessary to have him under inactive Smackdown superstars as well as under Creative Writers? I for one find it redundant. He's either one or the other. Miztahrogers (talk) 01:04, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

william regal
he issuspended sowhy is he not in the inactive talent on raw —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.96.137.3 (talk) 18:10, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I think its because he was "fired". Also, The Undertaker is not on the Smackdown list because he was "fired". 76.110.82.251 (talk) 02:38, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

go on the internet and look at results for ECW/Smackdown house shows undertaker has been wrestling them so he should be listed under smackdown inactive talent 172.143.197.84 (talk) 10:53, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Read the entire article, they are both listed under Unassigned Talent.  iMa tth ew T.C. 12:40, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

yes i no but if hes doing smackdown house show he should be on the smackdown list somewhere —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.143.197.84 (talk) 13:55, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source for his house show action?  iMa tth ew T.C. 13:57, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

no cuz everything i think is a source people say int just look on the internet 172.143.197.84 (talk) 21:33, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You must provide a reliable source.  iMa tth ew T.C. 21:41, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Regal should be under RAW Inactive Talent, his Profile is still on RAW, as he is returning to RAW. Kennedy was drafted to Smackdown!, hence making the loser leave RAW stipulation null and void. (The same thing happened with Kane being able to return to RAW, Umaga was drafted away from RAW, so stipulation was voided) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.27.83.13 (talk) 23:55, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

rangingh singh
where or does he evenn have an article if he does where is it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.96.137.3 (talk) 12:09, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * He does not have one.  iMa tth ew T.C. 12:40, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Matt Sydal
Matt Sydal has offically been added to the ECW roster as of June 7 2008 my source was wrestlezone.com so just check on it if you are skeptical. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tombstone316 (talk • contribs) 03:36, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

ECW and Smackdown taped their shows for this week on Saturday (June 7) due to their upcoming Australia/New Zealand Tour.

During those tapings, Matt Sydal officially joined the ECW roster under the name of Evan Bourne, also Rey Mysterio returned to Smackdown as he was a guest on the VIP Lounge.

Also under the ECW roster Evan Bourne's real name is Matthew Joseph Korklan, or just Matthew Korklan. Matt Sydal is just a gimmick name he uses. http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/profiles/m/matt-sydal.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.47.241.20 (talk) 16:13, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Vjmlhds June 8, 2008 21:14 (UTC)

Active vs Inactive
Let's have an understanding so we don't get into edit wars.

Unless there is documented proof as to why someone should be deemed inactive, assume they're active.

Think of the WWE roster like an NBA roster, there can be weeks on end where the guys on the end of the bench don't get in the game, but it doesn't mean they're not still part of the team.

We all have a hunch as to why Ashley hasn't been seen lately, but unless someone reputable (not a dirt sheet) says she's injured/suspended/fired, then she should stay on the active list.

Vjmlhds June 14, 2008 02:58 (UTC)
 * Either it's that whole "escort service" deal or the fact that she can't wrestle for shite. Let's wait until we get a proper statement thingy. --Kaizer13 (talk) 15:05, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Face/Heel
Shoudlnt we put next to the superstar if they are face or heel. Chrispowellathome —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.2.49.15 (talk) 14:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree with that but you can tell who is heel and who is a face —Preceding unsigned comment added by SonsOfAnarchy1982 (talk • contribs) 05:00, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Deuce and Domino
How can anybody still want to classify Deuce and Domino as a team when Deuce clearly beat the crap out of Domino on Smackdown and WWE.com basically throwing the last bit of dirt on the team?

As soon as Cade dropped Murdoch with that punch, the team was considered broken up and no one complained.

So why the gripe with D and D?

Vjmlhds June 21, 2008 14:46 (UTC)

Yea its already been noted that their not a team! Adster95 (talk) 15:17, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I read a rumor that Domino is on the verge of getting fired from the WWE cause he is shitty

James Curtis
Add him to the ECW Roster, during the draft lottery visual he's shown on ECW's side, meaning he is eligible to be drafted and is a part of the brand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.27.30.198 (talk) 01:55, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Johnny Jeter
According to Dave Meltzer on last night's 6-23 Wrestling Observer Radio, Jeter's now gone from WWE 70.181.59.230 (talk) 16:56, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

How many from each brand?
After the 2008 WWE Draft, it seems that RAW has the upper hand.

RAW: 40 Superstars/Divas SmackDown: 30 Superstars/Divas ECW: 20 Superstars/Divas just wanted to let you guys know.

Ferrari-gt (talk) 22:36, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Your point is? -- iMa tth ew  T.C. 22:43, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Table format?
I was thinking about making the page look something like this. Any thoughts? ⅔⅔⅔⅔⅔¼

Referees

 * Mike Chioda - Senior official
 * John Cone
 * Jack Doan
 * Marty Elias (Marty Rubalcaba)
 * Chad Patton

Tag teams and stables

 * Cryme Tyme (JTG and Shad)
 * The Highlanders (Robbie and Rory McAllister)
 * Paul and Katie Lea Burchill

Virakhvar321 (talk) 19:35, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * i think we have tried this before but the page gets so many edits that the table would just get messed up. 1362</b>talk 19:40, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I like it. I think it makes it easier and better looking. I'm for it but it would be easier to vandalize. So I'm not sure on that note.-- Will C  04:19, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * well i'm all for it and i'll take the time to convert the entire page to this format if that's what people want. is there any way to minimize the vandalism on this page? Virakhvar321 (talk) 08:17, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You need to bring this to WT:PW and get a consensus on it before doing anything.<b style="color:#ff0000">13</b><b style="color:black">62</b>talk 14:27, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I love it! Its eaiser to read! chrispowellathome —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.99.44.3 (talk) 11:04, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It looks cool! thats how it should be--&#91;&#91;Adam Penale&#93;&#93; (talk) 14:04, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I think it should be that way 2 cause its easier to read —Preceding unsigned comment added by SonsOfAnarchy1982 (talk • contribs) 05:04, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * There has been a major edit war and discussion on this in the past, it was agreed not to, due to being a vandal target and taking up too much space. Do people bother to read the archives? S R X  18:27, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

If We Can't have the fancy board thingy we should at least have the Championship holder have the name of the Championship next to it. Dmanskater11 (talk) 20:04, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:PW consensus is to list the championship holders on the individual show pages, not here. It's trivial to this article. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 20:37, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

No,do NOT change it like that,it will SUCK so much,Understand you pricks?

Joey Styles
On ECW.com it says that Joey Styles is on the ECW Roster. Shall we put him under Wikipedia? (must be replacing Adamle who is ****!!! lol) --81.99.47.111 (talk) 09:19, 30 June 2008 (UTC)chrispowellathome

Chris Harris
someone needs to add him to the ECW Roster he debuted tonight (7/8/08) as Braden Walker or something like that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.18.97.226 (talk) 02:23, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Undertaker
Why did you take undertaker off the page he is still with the WWE, he is curently out of action to heal up som nagging injuries. So please add him back —Preceding unsigned comment added by SonsOfAnarchy1982 (talk • contribs) 04:58, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * i was just going to post that. who got rid of him?--&#91;&#91;Adam Penale&#93;&#93; (talk) 14:03, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If you read the entire article, you would notice that he is listed under "Unassigned talent: -- iMa tth ew  T.C. 21:41, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * He wasn't when those posts were made. I added him there but didn't reply here. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 21:43, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Chris Cage
I've noticed he's under the Unassigned talent section and there's no source he signed a contract. Also to be noted he was released two years ago. I checked the net and there's no sources he's been signed back to a developmental contract. Should he be removed? BlackFrostFan (talk) 20:45, 11 July 2008 (UTC) He signed a new contract so he is back with the wwe. Dmanskater11 (talk) 23:27, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Val Venis
"I noticed Val Venis hasn't wrestled for a while. isn't he considered "inactive"?"Dmanskater11 (talk) 16:52, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Apparently, he's been out with a shoulder injury. Speaking of which, how long should we wait until a wrestler goes inactive unnoticed? Elijah Burke, Super Crazy, and DH Smith (I'm not sure if there are more) haven't been seen or heard of in more than a month. Miztahrogers (talk) 22:39, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

CTC
check out Wrestlezone for a source but in Charleston, WV at a house show it was confirmed that Cena and Cryme Tyme is a stable. Add them as a stable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmoneysmith (talk • contribs) 07:38, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * they just tagged together that dosen't mean anything dx always tags together at house shows and we dont't list hem as a stable. <b style="color:#c50">13</b><b style="color:maroon">62</b>talk 17:39, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

The Stable is named Cryme Tyme Cenation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.27.2.138 (talk) 15:09, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Recent draftees who have yet to appear on their new brands
Should they be left as is, or should they all be moved to the inactive lists? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miztahrogers (talk • contribs) 19:13, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd say if they don't appear within a month or so after they have been drafted, they can be considered inactive with a note saying "Yet to debut since being drafted to ______." -- iMa tth ew  T.C. 01:59, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Mark Henry + Tony Atlas
Should they be included under 'Stables' for ECW? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harootology (talk • contribs) 09:38, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

i think they should.CMJMEM (talk) 20:34, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * A stable must three or more members. Also, Atlas is not an active wrestler, so he just belongs under managers, much like Estrada did when he managed Umaga. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 21:37, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

That is wrong,a stable does not have to be three,it can be two or more people,proof is Cryme Tyme or Degeneration X,if you don't like it,just suck it up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.154.50.154 (talk) 02:42, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

The unknown user is right. A stable can consist of two or more. I know that because I played Smackdown vs. RAW 2007 for the PS2 and I create my own stables in the game. So you are wrong Gavyn Sykes. Just look at Chris Jericho and Lance Cade. Sure they are not tag team partners. They have an alliance, so they can take care of Shawn Michaels. A stable can be in two ways. One is for tag team, the other is an alliance. Miss Lindsie (talk) 04:54, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Amy Hennig
She is under developmental contract to WWE. Why was she removed from the Unassigned list? BlackFrostFan (talk) 02:57, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * nevermind, found a report about her not being under contract. BlackFrostFan (talk) 03:03, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Developmental Questions
FCW's website lists Ian Richardson, Jon Emminger, and Vic Adams as being on the roster, though as of yet, no sources have been supplied to confirm their signings with WWE. Keep your eyes peeled.

Also, Chris Rombola's status is still unknown. Any info to clear this up would be good. Dahumorist (talk) 16:12, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Ron Killings
Just a bit curious as to why Ron "The Truth" Killings was removed from the Unassigned talent section. Given he's been working consistent Dark Matches and worked a house show a weekend or two ago I would assume he's still under contract with the company. Only because I've never heard of unsigned talent going on the road with them. I realize aside from websites that are considered 'unreliable' that the company itself never announced they signed him but they never did announce they signed Chris Harris either and he was in the same section until his ECW debut a week ago. No big deal, just wondering as I stated. If/when he makes the rumored debut on Smackdown I suppose the matter will be cleared up.(64.21.106.155 (talk) 20:53, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

WWE never announced they signed Harris, he confirmed it himself. But Killings is indeed signed with the company. I saw footage of him working a dark match for WWE against a Highlander. Live reports can also confirm this, but they're deemed unreliable. We'll just have to wait for his debut. CrystallixRed (talk) 02:38, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Beulah
Also isn't it about time Beulah's status either be changed to "Unknown" or just removed completely? It's a bit ridiculous for it to be "Makes occasional appearances" when she hasn't been seen since One Night Stand way back in 2006. Was she ever even signed by the company? 64.21.106.155 (talk) 21:05, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I was thinking the exact same thing today. I think she should be removed. There has been absolutely no update on her status with the company. In fact, a few months back, I even emailed the webmaster of her site asking about it, but I got no response. Dahumorist (talk) 05:34, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure on this one, but it's probably safe to remove her. -- iMa tth ew  T.C. 23:31, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Since nobody has objected, I'm going to remove her. Dahumorist (talk) 17:09, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Jonathan Coachman
Unless there is confirmation that he is no longer with the company, he should still be listed under Unassigned talent. Miztahrogers (talk) 21:18, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I think you should wait. I heard rumors that he is going to be on ESPN soon. But for right now, he is home with his wife. His wife just gave birth to their first child.--Miss Lindsie (talk) 04:56, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

New setup
Change the way the roster looked like before, as people may not know what heels & faces are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaylethal2008 (talk • contribs) 09:05, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

No,this will not be done as people who watch WWE will known who is what,if you don't,you have no purpose to place them in heel or faces,as there is no reason to do so,WWE does not do it on their site,so you will not be allowed here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.154.50.154 (talk) 02:40, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Face/heel divide
Information about faces and heels is not official or relevant information and as such shouldn't be included. Next people will be dividing the rosters by the colour of their attire. So please don't split the rosters this way, as Huhyhpt2 did, thanks.

Njgio (talk) 09:10, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry then


 * What bout th champiions we can at least keep that —Preceding unsigned comment added by Huhyhpt2 (talk • contribs) 12:29, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't really care about champions being listed either way, but I do think that it's unnecessary complication. Also, it'd make the page look more like a direct copy of WWE's roster page, since they do that.Njgio (talk) 22:00, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

How to define Inactive
I think it's a fair ruling to deem someone inactive if they've not appeared on television in one month (or 4 weeks). Exceptions go to guys like Funaki and Nunzio, who rarely make television appearances anyway, but stay on the active roster on house shows. In such a situation, common knowledge would prevail. However, a guy like Deuce has simply not been used since being drafted. But what of Carlito, a guy who is still being used on house shows, though for some reason is being kept off television? Perhaps he should be listed under inactive but denoting his house show appearances? Thoughts, comments? Dahumorist (talk) 21:18, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

To try and end the disputes about who should be classed as inactive, I think we should discuss it here. I'll list who I think should be inactive for each brand, and why.

Raw
 * Deuce and Chuck Palumbo - Both have just switched brands, and both have yet to debut on-screen. I know it's not been that long since the draft, however, look at Maria's situation on SmackDown. At Tuesday night's tapings a promo aired hyping her SmackDown debut next week. If she is to officially debut next week, she shouldn't be classed as active until next week. That's why I don't think Deuce and Palumbo should be classed as active.
 * Robbie McAllister - It's been at least a month since his last on-screen appearance surely? And now that Heat is finished, I'd expect him to stay inactive for a while longer. Not as bothered about him being listed as inactive as the others though.
 * Bob Holly, Candice Michelle, Melina, Shawn Michaels, Randy Orton, and Val Venis - All either recovering or recovered and yet to re-appear. I don't believe there's any arguments with these.
 * William Regal - He was listed under unassigned workers earlier today, but I think he should be considered a part of Raw's inactive roster due to the fact that he's on WWE.com's Raw roster page. He's not been drafted, he was just fired from the General Manager spot.
 * Agreed with all infact. I was against the Regal one, but he is still on the Raw roster page, so he is inactive there. -- iMa tth ew  T.C. 21:41, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

SmackDown
 * DH Smith - He's just been drafted, so there's the same reasons as Deuce and Palumbo, and apparently he's also been appearing in FCW.
 * Candice Michelle - Already mentioned.
 * Big Daddy V - He's just been drafted, and obviously he's had time out.
 * Kenny Dykstra and Gregory Helms - They've both had injuries, and even though Dykstra recovered a while ago and Helms is due back soon, they're still both inactive.
 * "R-Truth" aka Ron Killings - Hasn't debuted on-screen yet, so shouldn't be listed as active.
 * The Undertaker - He should be in the SmackDown inactive section and not in the unassigned talent section, due to the fact that he is scheduled to return at or before SummerSlam.
 * Agreed with all except Candice Michelle, I assume it was a mistakes. Also, the Undertaker was banished from the WWE, but is still signed with them, so he is un-assigned. No sources for his SummerSlam return. -- iMa tth ew  T.C. 21:41, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Ugh, totally just spoiled SmackDown for me. -- iMa tth ew  T.C. 22:41, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry. Am I not supposed to post spoilers of future shows? I don't know the rules on that. Njgio (talk) 22:55, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Just noting that yes, it was a mistake when I wrote Candice in this section. I meant Maria. Also, I accidentally left Carlito off this list, he's in the same category as the other recent draftees. Njgio (talk) 11:43, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

ECW
 * The Boogeyman - Been out for ages so obvious.
 * Super Crazy - Yet to debut, so same reasons as Deuce and Palumbo.
 * Elijah Burke - He's been off-screen for a while now. Additionally, I think there may have been rumours and/or pictures speculating a possible gimmick change. But like Robbie McAllister, I don't consider it too important for him to be listed as inactive.
 * Agreed with all being inactive. -- iMa tth ew  T.C. 21:41, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

EDIT: Didn't notice the above section before I posted this, so sorry.Njgio (talk) 21:38, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

The only thing I want to make clear is about guys like Deuce, Palumbo, Burke, Crazy and Carlito.

They may not get TV time, but if they wrestle at house shows and dark matches, and are listed on the WWE.com roster (of their respective brands), then I think they should be considered active as they are competing, just maybe not as high profile as others.

In other words, inactive should mean not being able to wrestle at all due to injury/suspension/any other documented reason.

Being on TV shouldn't be the end all deciding factor, as you only have so much time to go around.

A guy like Ron Killings should stay inactive until he shows up because he's a completely new wrestler who's not listed on a roster.

In the case of Maria, she's been on the roster since being drafted, but they're just building up her appearance, so she should be active.

And also this certain wrestler who was announced to be returning at a certain PPV at the SD tapings (I removed the spoiler above) should be listed as active (once the show airs and it becomes public knowledge) due to being "re-signed" to the brand and having a match announced at the PPV.

One other thing while we're talking about this topic:

If someone like Vince McMahon or Shane McMahon either holds a title or is wrestling for a title on a PPV, they should be listed as an active member of whatever brand they're appearing on. Other than that, they're fine where they are.

I know I'm one of the biggest reasons this hoopla got started in the first place, thanks for letting me get my $0.02 in.

Vjmlhds July 23, 2008 0:49 (UTC)
 * But you just need to get it out of your head about the documented reasons. Maria has not become active, so until she debuts on SD, she is inactive. He-who will return is not active until the day they return. -- iMa tth ew  T.C. 01:16, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

If he who shall be nameless is advertised to have a match a PPV, then he should be considered active. He will be re-signed, listed as part of the roster, and be part of the PPV. How is that not active?

And the reason I'm big on documented reasons is that once you have those, there's no argument. Otherwise, it's all subjective. You have black and white proof, then it's case closed.

Vjmlhds July 23, 2008 01:23 (UTC)
 * Because just because they say he will be back, doesn't mean it's true. You never know what can happen, and until we see him on television again, he is inactive. -- iMa tth ew  T.C. 01:26, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

If he shows up on the titantron and does the crazy stuff (lightning, setting whatever on fire) he's famous for, would that count?

Vjmlhds July 23, 2008 01:41 (UTC)


 * That would count, yeah. The reason I don't count making house show and dark match appearances as active is because new signees, such as Ron Killings do that stuff, yet they're not considered active until they debut on-screen. Another reason is that WWE TV & PPV don't ever refer to house show results, or use them in their storylines, except for the rare few occasions where a title has changes hands on one. I do however agree on the guy that has to remain nameless due to spoilers; even though he's not officially made his return, he's been officially announced to be returning, and has also (kayfabe) been re-instated. If he were to not appear at or before SummerSlam due to a new (or re-aggravated) injury, then that's the point he'd have to go inactive again. So yeah, I've changed my mind on the unnamed guy being inactive. Njgio (talk) 11:40, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Question:

Shane McMahon will appear on Raw this Monday.

If he names himself as new the Raw GM, would he then get moved to the Raw page, or stay where he is?

If this a one time deal, then no harm, no foul, but if he becomes part of Raw, does his status change?

Vjmlhds July 23, 2008 23:21 (UTC)


 * If Shane becomes a permanent addition to Raw then he'll be in on-air talent. But if he stays like he is now then he stays where his name is now if that is what you're asking.-- Will C  23:27, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

James Curtis
On the July 22nd ECW, it seems obvious now that he should be moved to ECW. He appeared on the draft visual for ECW (To be exact top row all the way on the left in the ECW bracket). On the show Mike Adamle refrenced to have talked to him in the back. This isn't brought up for random jobbers. His current position seems to be his call up and I'd expect in coming weeks Teddy to announce he signed officially for the brand due to the New Superstar Initiative. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.27.2.138 (talk) 13:54, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but that is original research, which is not premitted on Wikipedia. A reliable source needs to be presented. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 19:27, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I understand that for the commentary, but how exactly do you say him appearing on the draft visual original research?

Alphabetical Order
Should we arrange the names in alphabetical order?

Like the one in wwe.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.55.202.251 (talk) 08:58, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * It is in Alphabetical Order, by last name.-- Will C  09:04, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Johnny Jeter, Burke, Crazy
This discussion is over, if you want to try and challenge the entire professional wrestling project about what sources are accepted, then go ahead and try, but your nagging replies of "it didnt come from WWE so you're wrong" isn't going anywhere. — M o e   ε  11:30, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes I know this discussion has been brought up before but I don't see a reason why he isn't still under unassigned talent with a "status unknown" label. WWE never posted a statement saying he's been let go and the source used to get him moved to the alumni page isn't considered a reliable source of information.

Might as well place Elijah Burke and Super Crazy back into the "Inactive" category for the ECW Brand. Burke hasn't been working neither television or house shows while Crazy has yet to debut since being Drafted as he was previously listed.

64.21.105.251 (talk) 21:40, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Still no official source on Jeter. People falsely credited the Observer with fake news. Maxwell7985 (talk) 02:14, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * And where, pray tell, did you find out that the observer's news was fake? Perhaps if you could provide that information, it would greatly help this debate. Of course, I see no reason to believe whatever site you give to be any more legitimate than the observer, but still a source may help. Dahumorist (talk) 04:43, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I will continue to remove Johnny Jeter's name if I see it. If WWE doesn't post a notice of his release on the website, then that may be because of some other unknown reason. There are websites that support the claim that Jeter was released, and with no mention of Jeter in a couple months now from anyone, it is safe to assume that until an update is provided on his whereabouts or his contract situation, the source stating Jeter was released is strong enough to be considered to be reliable enough. — M o e   ε  06:23, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with Moe. Just a question though. Although there is no source, there has been no mention of Chris Rombola's status for well over a year, even when OVW was still WWE's developmental territory. Does anybody have any thoughts? Frankly, I think its fairly safe to remove him. Dahumorist (talk) 14:30, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

The Wrestling Observer is not a reliable source by Wikipedia standards. WWE's official website on the other hand is. You are just speculating on why they may not have announced his release. Thus it stands to reason he remains employed by the company with a status unknown label applicable. He belongs on the Employee page. 64.21.106.83 (talk) 22:08, 30 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Except that it is, per here and here. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 03:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Still doesn't matter. Neither WWE or Jeter himself have made it official he's no longer with the company. So unless you Gavyn Sykes are suddenly a mind reader you're speculating. 64.21.104.247 (talk) 10:25, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Freddy Prinze Jr.
No idea if this is legit or not, but Rajah.com is reporting that the actor Freddy Prinze Jr. is now working on the WWE creative team. Sounds like a joke to me, so maybe we should wait a while until considering adding him to the page. -me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.84.9.64 (talk) 19:43, 29 July 2008 (UTC)                                    Freddie Prinze Jr. is not working with the WWE creative team, he is just Going to appear at Saturday Nights Main Event Just like many other Celebertys. Dmanskater11 (talk) 20:00, 29 July 2008 (UTC) Never Mind. Dmanskater11 (talk) 21:19, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Not true,Dmanskater. Freddy is working with the WWE. According to wwe.com he is. Just look at this link: http://www.wwe.com/inside/industrynews/freddieprinzejrjoinswweteam. You should add him on the page.--Miss Lindsie (talk) 05:01, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

i said nevermind. Dumbo. Dmanskater11 (talk) 16:22, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Mike Adamle: RAW and ECW?....
Hey I Just Had This Thought instead on having Mike Adamle on the RAW On-Air Talent as General Manager and on the ECW On-Air Talent, Why dont we just Have a note: Mike Adamle Appears on Both ECW And RAW Because of   Comentator position and General manager position .? Dmanskater11 (talk) 19:57, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

He's not going to stay on ECW. Someone will not be a GM on one show and commentator on another. He'll be replaced with Joey Styles or Todd Grisham. Maxwell7985 (talk) 22:01, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Todd Grisham replaced him last night. 64.21.106.83 (talk) 22:08, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

But, there is a problem with Todd Grisham. I just saw him on RAW one night and ECW the next. Is he going back and fourth between the two brands?Miss Lindsie (talk) 19:58, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

For the time being, Todd Grisham does play-by-play on ECW and still interviews superstars on RAW. As far as how long this will last, I don't know. Someone with knowledge of the business can answer that. HabsMTL (talk) 22:38, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Ted DiBiase and Cody Rhodes
Just To let every one know there is now a article of Ted DiBiase and Cody Rhodes. but needs impovements so please help.(i made it) Dmanskater11 (talk) 00:19, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

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Rey Mysterio
Who put Mysterio in ECW's inactive talent list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by EternalDeathSlayer3 (talk • contribs) 13:32, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Fixed ✅ Adster95 (talk) 14:05, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Tyrone Evans (Tyrone Jones)
Someone needs to link his name with his seperate article that was recently set up, especially since he's apparently set to debut soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fruiteh91 (talk • contribs) 18:49, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Stevie Richards
I think he is on Smackdown now. He appears there almost weekly and there is a Smackdown graphic next to his name when he comes out. Maybe it's due to the Smackdown/ECW talent exchange thing, but Richards is on Smackdown way more than ECW. Just a thought. (me) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.84.6.227 (talk) 21:48, 2 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I was wondering the same thing the other day. But alas, he is still considered an ECW superstar according to wwe.com Miztahrogers (talk) 18:43, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

The Highlanders
Why are The Highlanders not in the Raw tag teams section. They are still a tag team. Aren't they? Andy0805 (talk) 22:58, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

-Yes, but they are both inactive at the moment. (me) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.249.113.140 (talk) 04:17, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

They tagged up last Monday,so you BETTER add them as a team you fucktards


 * That was already done. And please remain civil. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 15:47, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

No listen,you people think you know everything,you make this site suck...always not adding stuff,like Hacksaw Jim Duggan and Jerry Lawler as a team...legally,they ARE a team until next week —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nudist1 (talk • contribs) 02:48, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Lance Cade and Paul London
According to Prowrestling.com, Lance Cade and Paul London were injured at a house show four nights ago. They were at each other in a match and they headbutted six mintues in the match. Lance suffered either a broken nose or a busted nose and Paul got a big gash on his chin. I don't know how long they are going to be out for, but here is the link of the result: http://www.prowrestling.com/article/news/9921--Miss Lindsie (talk) 05:09, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


 * That's just a fan's report of what they believe might have happened. We won't know for sure unless wwe.com or either wrestler confirms an injury. Miztahrogers (talk) 17:58, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Does this counts?:http://www.dailymotion.com/search/wwe%2Braw/video/x6cqzg_raw-040808-part-5_sport --Miss Lindsie (talk) 19:55, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It sure does. Thanks for the heads up, I didn't catch them say that. But no mention of London's status =/ Miztahrogers (talk) 23:22, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Well it's the least I can do. After all Cade's storyline involves him as Chris Jericho's protégé. Cole and Lawler opened their mouths as Jericho came out for his match with JBL against CM Punk and said that Cade got hurt. I was freaked out when I heard the news.Miss Lindsie (talk) 09:58, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Braden Walker, James Curtis and Ricky Ortiz
I dont know if they should be here because they are not on the ECW Section. Is it that theya re going 2 be a short time contract or they just can be botherd —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.99.43.210 (talk) 15:09, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


 * That doesn't matter, they have been competing on ECW for weeks now, and thus are active wrestlers for the ECW roster, even though WWE doesn't acknowledge them.-- S R X  15:47, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Theodore Long formally introduced Ortiz and Walker on-screen as part of his New Talent Initiative weeks ago. James Curtis, IIRC, was not, but as I was looking at the photos from last night on wwe.com, it appears that he is. As of this writing, photo number 20 says, "The action heats up between two new ECW superstars." http://www.wwe.com/shows/ecw/photos/ Miztahrogers (talk) 18:06, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I may be right because wwe have released Braden Walker —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.2.49.98 (talk) 10:02, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * They also just released James Curtis. -G uf fa s  B or gz   7- 21:54, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I can see Ricky Ortiz going next. sorry i dont sign my posts. Dont know how 2 do that. Anyway I am chrispowellathome —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.2.50.192 (talk) 18:04, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

4~ is how you sign your posts Adster95 (talk) 18:41, 10 August 2008 (UTC)