Talk:List of WWE personnel/Archive 6

Updates from tonight's Raw...
I thought there may be a reason the page wasn't edited yet, so I haven't either.

Can we all agree on the following: Remove Cena/HBK as a Tag Team. Add the Hardyz as a Tag Team. Move Matt to the Raw Roster. Add Flair and Carlito as a Tag Team w/ Torrie Wilson. They did come out together to Flair's music, so does that make it official? Gavyn Sykes 16:51, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Matt Hardy isn't on the RAW Roster as of right now. He is still a Smackdown Superstar as far as WWE.com . Maybe tomorrow, he will be on the RAW roster. 205.151.6.33 15:38, 3 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Matt is de facto on the RAW roster because he holds on of their championships (a la Gregory Helms becoming Cruiserweight Champion and moving to SmackDown!), WWE.com takes forever to update the rosters (Joey Mercury was released a week ago). Bmg 916 SpeakSign 15:47, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * "WWE takes forever to update its roster" is completely untrue. It all depends on the situation. They've updated it quickly before, and they've taken forever to do it before. Matt Hardy is still currently a SmackDown! superstar until WWE says otherwise. L2K 16:40, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * WWE has said otherwise by giving him a RAW title. Just as Gregory Helms automatically moved over to SmackDown after he won the Cruiserweight title. Bmg 916 SpeakSign 16:47, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Crap, I forgot to sign my first post. Well it's signed now anyway. I see the page was updated but Matt has been moved to Raw, which wasn't agreed upon.....Gavyn Sykes 16:51, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

When you don't have a set in stone policy for where to put a wrestler, you have to go by precedent.

Gregory Helms set the precedent by being a Raw wrestler who was invited to compete for Smackdown's Cruiserweight Title, he won it and thus became part of the Smackdown roster. Same principle with Matt Hardy. He was a Smackdown wrestler who was invited to Raw to compete for Raw's Tag Team Titles, he won it and thus becomes part of the Raw roster.

When you have X brand's Title, you become part of X brand's roster. When Joey Mercury is removed from WWE.com, then talk to me about their reliability.

Ohgltxg 17:19 3 April, 2007 (UTC)

Matt Hardy should be moved back to smackdown even if he is raws tag team champ. London & Kendrik, the smackdown tag team champs, were in that match and if they won they wouldnt get moved to raw. Rigby93 21:29, 3 April 2007 (UTC)Rigby93Rigby93 21:29, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Last night on RAW, JR referred to them as Raw's Jeff Hardy and Smackdown's Matt Hardy AFTER winning the titles. Keep this in mind. DaHumorist 18:29, 3 April 2007

well in that case surely jeff and matt shouldnt be a stable under both raw and smackdown Cradle666 23:55, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

WWE.com hasn't moved Matt yet. I think that we shouldn't list the team under any show just yet. --  The  Hyb  rid  23:56, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

You have to list the Hardys on the Raw roster---THEY'RE THE FRIGGIN TAG CHAMPS!

This is a friggin encyclopedia. We only use the information that we get from the actual company. While they are probably going to be a Raw tag team, we have to wait. It's the rules. --  The  Hyb  rid  00:14, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Matt Hardy is a Raw wrestler
Let's take a vote to put this to bed--Matt Hardy should be listed as a Raw Wrestler and I cite the Gregory Helms Rule (you win a brand's title, you become part of their roster) to back me up.


 * 1) I vote yea. Ohgltxg 19:17 4 April, 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Support citing the Gregory Helms clause Bmg 916 SpeakSign 19:22, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Support citing the Gregory Helms clauseFreebird Jackson 21:26, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Oppose Helms won it and went straight to Smackdown but it was never mentioned that Matt has become a RAW superstar. He should still be listed as a Smackdown superstar unless WWE confirms. We should at least wait for a week. Soopafred 23:54, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) Oppose - Moving him citing Gregory Helms is OR. Leave it until the WWE moves his profile. --  The  Hyb  rid  00:11, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Oppose - WWE has not acknowledged Matt moving to Raw either on WWE.com OR on commentary. In fact, just after winning the titles JR referred to him as "Smackdown's Matt Hardy". Additionally, SPOILERS FOLLOW..... Matt wrestles on Smackdown this week. DaHumorist 1:49, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) Oppose - Unless otherwise stated by the WWE, he hasn't moved in my view. Govvy 09:55, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Compromise--Matt is a RAW wrestler for as long as he has the tag title, once he loses it, he goes back to Smackdown.
 * I think a more logical compromise would be to keep him on Smackdown until WWE says otherwise. DaHumorist 9:46 7 April, 2007

Our proof was last night on SmackDown!: Jeff Hardy came out with the RAW namestamp, and Matt came out with the SmackDown! one. If that's not proof enough, I don't know what is. Matt is staying on the SmackDown! roster until he comes out with the RAW namestamp or until he is moved on WWE.com. L2K 16:21, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Matt Hardy is a part of SmackDown!, he's right about the namestamp. btw, should someone put The Hardys as a part of the SmackDown! tag team and stables since the hardys are now an interbrand tag team? SmackDown!RULES 8:30, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure where to put The Hardys. By default, I would say RAW cuz they are the champs, but they've been teaming up on both shows, and they are tag champs with members on both brands. (The last comment was added by me, I forgot to sign it, sorry.) L2K 12:53, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

WWE.com is usually pretty fast with the changes if there was a roster move and Matt is still on the SmackDown! roster, and no vote can change that, nor consensus, this is a change made by WWE, not us. We only change what needs to be changed, not vote on what WWE thinks and what they don't. — Moe  21:17, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

L2K, the way I look at it, and the way it is presented on wwe.com is that the Hardy's as a tag team can be added in the Raw section, because they hold the belts on Raw. But as being a singles competitor Matt Hardy is still on SmackDown till he is moved. Govvy 13:47, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I think that this link is enough proof. ."( http://www.wwe.com/superstars/raw/matthardy/profile/ ) why would they have changed it to raw if they werent going to move him in the first place?88.111.204.41 22:24, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Not, it's not. The link contradicts the page it leads too. The link/URL may say "Raw" but the page itself has the Smackdown! Logo. Gavyn Sykes 22:52, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah but why does the link say raw in the first place? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.111.204.41 (talk • contribs)

That is ridiculous! He is not on the roster page, so stop it with this crap. And that link has existes since a very long time ago. Since he was on Raw... they just never deleted it when he was changed to Smackdown. So, just leave Matt alone and keep him on Smackdown Lex94 22:25pm April 26, 2007

Chavo Guerrero and Gregory Helms?
They are cruiserweight heels, and they are allied for the Cruiserweight storyline. If you were going to make them an official stable, it should include Jamie Noble.

Reasons why not to include them:


 * 1. Chavo Guerrero is a singles competitor, with the Cruiserweight Championship as proof
 * 2. They have only had 1 televised match
 * 3. Haven't been mentioned officially as a tag team by ring announcers, commentators or WWE

-And if I were the Gregory Helms character, I would hate to tag with the guy who stole my Cruiserweight Championship and hasn't given me a rematch :@

Lex94 16:24 07/04/07

They came out together on Smackdown! - to Chavo's music with their weights being announced combined. If that was enough to list Carlito and Flair as a Tag Team then it's definately enough to list Chavo and Helms as such. If you don't list Chavo and Helms then in my opinion Carlito and Flair should be removed as well. Gavyn Sykes 21:44, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Lex94, there is a difference between alliance and stable. Carlito and Flair are in a feud so they shouldn't be on the stable page, nor Helms and Chavo.

But yeah, that sounds fine. Just remove both of them. Gavyn Sykes 01:21, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * You must difference the Flair&Carlito alliance to the Helms&Chavo. Todd Grisham formally said they will be a "really difficult stable to ever beat". Helms and Chavo don't have any backup on being a stable, and they have only had 1 televised match. Kennedy and MVP always came out together when they tagged, and weren't called a stable. Plus, Shawn Michaels and John Cena were considered a stable on this page, when they weren't. They were simply to singles competitors that tagged some times, because of the tag team championships. Batista and Undertaker should have also been considered a stable, if you put HBK AND CENA.
 * And like I said before, if you want to call it a stable, include Jamie Noble, and add another one that has Jimmy Wang Yang, Shannon Moore and Scotty 2 Hotty

Lex94 13:50 08/04/07

I recall Kennedy and MVP always coming out to seperate entrance music one after the other but alright. The heading says "Stables and Tag Teams" Cena and HBK were a Tag Team, not a stable so they did belong here just any other consistent tag team would.

Noble hasn't appeared since No Way Out. If you were going to make stables it should be Daivari as the third member not Noble. Gavyn Sykes 20:27, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * This is how simple it is: Carlito & Flair were referred to as a tag team on numerous occassions (outside of matches). HBK and Cena were referred to as a tag team on numerous occassions (outside of matches). Gregory Helms and Chavo Guerrero have teamed twice on television (the WM23 match counts, cuz they showed parts of it). But big freakin deal. The Hardy Boyz have teamed up with CM Punk more than once, but have we put them as a stable? No. John Cena teamed up with DX a few months back a couple times, but we never added him to DX. Until Guerrero and Helms are called a team outside of a match by one of the announcers, they don't go on the list. Carlito & Flair stays until they break up. L2K 20:54, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * L2K is the kind of guy who should be running the WWE. That is exactly my point! Lex94 8:16pm - April 8, 2007


 * Chavo & Helms have been teaming up for the last month, they should be a team. So have Chris Masters & Kenny Dykstra. WWE is also putting Miz & Johnny Nitro as a tag team as well. Meanwhile Carlito & Flair have broke up. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.139.239.114 (User talk:4.139.239.114talk) 21:22, 11 April 2007 (UTC).
 * Carlito and Flair have not broken up, where does WWE call Miz and Nitro a team? Just because they were in the battle royal where WWE put random guys together to make it look like the tag team division wasn't crap? TJ Spyke 05:20, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I think tonight was evidence that we should consider adding them as a team. They came out to the same music (again) and the way the commentators were talking was kind of like when Carlito & Flair first started teaming up. Somebody else added them, not me, but I'm just proposing this. L2K 01:07, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Balls Mahoney
Why was Balls removed from the ECW originals on this page? He never was formally discussed or stated that he left the Originals on wwe.com or any other site.

He is part of the Originals, and it should stay that way —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lex94 (talk • contribs)


 * Have you not been watching ECW? He appeared twice with them, and hasn't appeared with them in over a month now, WWE doesn't even make mention of him as being part of the originals.  -- James   Duggan  05:09, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know. Balls een still appears in the ECW Originals entrance video. TJ Spyke 05:20, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, with the addition of CM Punk to the New Breed, they might re-add Balls to the Originals, but we'll have to wait and see. Currently it looks like Balls is in a mini-feud with Snitsky.  -- James   Duggan  05:30, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

We need to end this. Balls should not be listed, he's not appeared with them in months. He IS in the entrance video but that's the only "evidence" that he's still a member. A user keeps adding him to the original stable and myself and a few others have been reverting it.

Lex94, what is your reasoning to keep adding him? Gavyn Sykes 03:35, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

What I do is correct the page. When something is wrong, it should be corrected. And logically, we should discuss it here, but if you guys keep "reverting" it... And to answer your question, I add him because its right. And counter-question: Why do you revert it? Lex94 May 1st, 2007 5:12pm

Which is what I'm doing - correcting the page to what I feel it is right. You're correct though, we should discuss it here.

So who agrees with who here? Gavyn Sykes 21:43, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

DSW
I have removed the DSW sections. WWE announced today that they were ending their relationship with DSW. TJ Spyke 01:14, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Where should we put the talent??? Under what section???

76.214.83.252 02:16, 19 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Someone reinstated the DSW section, but I renamed it Other developmental. -- James   Duggan  02:26, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Why reinstate it? We don't know what DSW wrestlers are contracted to WWE and which ones were just working for DSW. This is the problem with the article, a lot of it is original research. TJ Spyke 02:42, 19 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Only those contracted with WWE were on that list, and are all still contracted to WWE until WWE says otherwise. -- James   Duggan  02:44, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Are you sure about that?? Over at the Deep South Website...there was less profiles about the wrestlers than what wikipedia has...I mean all of the profiles listed on Deep South website are developmental talent and not just talent

76.214.83.252 03:22, 19 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I'm sure, DSW was really slow at updating, they only added Shawn Osborne over the last couple of days, when he's been with DSW for a while now. They also had some people on that roster that we didn't have on here because they weren't signed, like Johnny Curtis.  -- James   Duggan  03:30, 19 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Duggan is right. I've been on top of stuff like that. DaHumorist 1:47, 19 April 2007

The Highlanders
Shouldn't we remove their last names? I don't recall them ever having their last names mentione on TV or wwe.com. They always just say Robbie and Rory. TJ Spyke 02:44, 19 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Do you ever visit the WWE website? Their last names are still on their profiles. -- James   Duggan  02:50, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, so they are. I usually don't check the superstars page. TJ Spyke 03:02, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Under Stables & Tag Teams the Highlanders, Why can't you click on there names wouldn't it be better if you could because you can click the other names on the other tag teams. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.215.120.13 (talk • contribs)
 * Neither one have any real singles careers, so they don't have seperate articles. That is why, the article on the team is both of their articles. TJ Spyke 22:37, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Chad Patton & Chris Kay
What happened to their pages? They used to be there... DaHumorist 1:49, 19 April 2007

They where put up for deletion and the vote was delete. I don't feel they needed a page, all that was really needed was maybe an article like "Referee's in the WWE" with the very few storylines involving them. ect. Govvy 08:38, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

People who aren't contracted
I'm pretty sure Roni Jonah and Melody are not under WWE contract, they are OVW students. And even if they were signed, they'd go in the OVW section, not the unassaigned section.

And what is the source for Beulah being a WWE employee?

While I'm at it, Chris Guy went by the name Ace Steel in his appearance on DSW TV, he only used his real name when he was jobbing in dark matches. 67.23.118.230 14:14, 19 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Both the articles that mentioned Beulah being under WWE contract and Ace Steel going under the name Chris Guy in OVW were many weeks ago. At the time these things were added to the page, the sources were listed on the history page. Finding them now, may be a task, but I have not seen any article since saying that Beulah is no longer under contract. As far as Steel, until he makes another appearance with OVW, we won't know if he's Ace Steel or Chris Guy. We'll just have to wait and see. DaHumorist 11:53, 19 April 2007

I think it was mentioned a while ago by WWE or some other souce that Beulah was still under WWE contract. -- James  Duggan  00:55, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Ace Steel last used the name Ace Steel on DSW TV a few weeks ago, why isn't that the name used? Other peeople's DSW gimmick names are used instead of their real names on that list (Cousin Ray, G-Rilla, The Majors, Bradley Jay among others), so why is he any different? 67.23.118.230 08:49, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Joy Giovanni
Please somebody delete Joy from the unassigned talent under the female wrestlers section, I can't edit cause I am blocked for vandalism (which I do not do; & I requested for me to unblock me cause I haven't done anything bad) she isn't under contract to the WWE. (This is JustMaria)

76.214.83.252 02:47, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Please remove Dave Finlay from unassigned talent. He is assigned and even listed as part of the Smackdown! brand.

2 ring announcers absent for WWE Taping, this past week
Justin Roberts was here in Milan, Italy for the taping but Tony Chimmel & Lillian Garcia did'nt.12.127.178.158 19:40, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

And your point is??

76.214.83.252 22:21, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

He has no point... what a weirdo. Lex 94 7:35pm April 21, 2007

Chuck Palumbo
Why has Palumbo been removed from the Unassigned talent. I haven't heard anything about him being released or his contract expiring. Even if it has they may be renegotiating a new one. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.49.57.74 (talk) 20:30, 21 April 2007 (UTC).

The Hardys
I just wanted to ask why can't The Hardys be listed under both Raw & SmackDown Tag Teams. Matt is still an official part of SD and Jeff on Raw but they still compete on both brands (this weeks SD). Any thoughts on this? ---Belevsquad 02:39, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thats like saying Lashley should be listed on Raw and ECW as he has been on both shows as of late Cradle666 16:16, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * No it isn't, because Lashley is only one person and is only officially assigned to one roster. The Hardys, as a team, is half officially assigned to each of the two rosters and they compete fairly regularly on both accordingly.  I agree that the team should be considered as part of both rosters 70.249.192.121 20:45, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


 * yes but their title only gets defended on Raw, never on Smackdown. When they didnt have the titles, they werent listed under both shows, even though they occasionly tagged with each other. why should it be different now? Cradle666 00:15, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


 * It shouldn't be any different now, it should have been different before. They should have been listed as a tag team on both rosters before, but now that they have the tag titles, they are undeniably a tag team, whereas before they might just be considered a specialty team or someat.  70.130.141.120 05:56, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Rated rKo
I keep adding Rated RKO, but someone keeps deleting it time and time again. If you didn't se Raw last week, it isnt my problem. Edge and Randy have rekindled Rated RKO. Backstage, Randy talked to Edge and Edge said that when they are on the same page, they're unstoppable and they should recreate Rated RKO. Randy says he was thinking the same thing and Edge left the scene mmumbling "Rated RKO" and Randy ended the scene saying "Rated RKO" twice. Lex94 April 23, 2007 9:27am

They're an on again off again sort of tag team and they're defiently not a full time team or stable like they were. It's fine with or without, I don't care.

Shad Gaspard
While that is his name he has been called and is listed on WWE.com only as Shad. I know it's small but I have really been bugging me. Just thought maybe we should discuss a change.
 * Nobody? Nobody wants to discuss a change? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.3.22.129 (talk) 18:11, 5 May 2007 (UTC).

Watch Heat and RAW. He's always announced as "Shad Gaspard". WWE.com isn't always right, they always called Miz "The Miz" but always had him on the site as Mike "The Miz" Mizanin. And they kept Mr. Kennedy "Ken Kennedy" for over a year despite him never using the first name anymore. BBoy
 * He just called himself "Shad Gaspard" during their promo on RAW. WWE seems to mix things up sometimes. Like Bboy said, they had him as "Ken Kennedy" on the site for a LONG time, even though he was known only as Mr. Kennedy since a few weeks after his debut in WWE. TJ Spyke 03:32, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Majors Brothers
Why aren't they listed in ecw.com? And if they're not listed there, why should they be listed here?

If they are listed there, then Los Luchas should be listed also, because they worked a show the other day, and all other local wrestlers. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lex94 (talk • contribs) 02:31, 6 May 2007 (UTC).

They aren't local jobbers, they are a WWE contracted team that was in DSW. The preview for this weeks episode of ECW on Sci-Fi makes it sound like they are going to be ECW regulars: http://www.wwe.com/shows/ecw/shows1/ecwonscifi/preview/4312966/ 76.48.117.187 22:21, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

ECW Female Wrestlers
I think we should put Ariel & Trinity under the "Other On-Air Talent" because the last time Ariel wrestle was in December & Trinity hasn't even made her debut in ECW as a wrestler just a valet....So I am going to put them in "Other On-Air Talent" simply because they aren't wrestlers they are just valets, I mean if they were "Female Wrestlers" they should have wrestle at least 4 matches already in 2007, but they haven't & just because both ladies have strong wrestling background that doesn't mean that they are female wrestlers, so I am going to moved them, this of course is open for discussion

The female wrestlers in ECW should be called and under "ECW Vixens"

Art 281 18:18, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

OVW Tag Teams
Shawn Spears & Cody Runnels are no longer a tag team, Spears finally turned heel. And the stable with Kruel & Kozlov (and non-WWEer Strongko) is named "Team America". 76.48.117.187 22:52, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Presedent has been set!
I think we now have parameters set for when title winning wrestlers switch brands:

Gregory Helms (Raw to Smackdown), Vince McMahon (Raw to ECW)--though as the owner he isn't tied to any one brand in actuality--, and Edge (Raw to Smackdown) all won singles titles, thus requiring to make the move, while Matt Hardy won a tag team title in a tri-brand invitational, so he is still eligible to compete as a single on his home brand. If Matt were to somehow become, say the I-C Champ, then they would have moved him to Raw.

This works. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ohgltxg (talk • contribs) 19:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC).

Why not we wait for WWE.com to confirm the roster switch? If they switch it on the official website, we can then just change it here rather than assuming that the person is now on another brand. -- Jลмєs Mลxx ™  Msg me  03:20, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It's now official, Edge's profile is in the SmackDown section: http://www.wwe.com/superstars/smackdown/edge/bio/. TJ Spyke 20:23, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Mr Keneddy, Keneddy
on wwe.com it says he is only out for 6-8 weeks not 5-7 months —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.50.132.146 (talk) 22:20, 10 May 2007 (UTC).

The problem with the new setup
While I agree that the new setup for this roster page looks good and is well-organized, involving as much code as is used for entering the simplest thing is simply a bit much. The casual editor on wikipedia may not know what to do and I think editing errors will be more frequent ten fold. Mind you, I think it looks great, but wikipedia is for everybody and this will significantly detract from many people's abilities to edit this page without screwing up something. Please discuss. DaHumorist 21:39, 10 May 2007

First reply/ (NickSparrow) Im gonna agree, I was not okay with the flags at first, but I accepted it, this new setup is well organized, but distracts from printing up copies for personal use! I say we go back to the old setup, but the flags can stay!

Eugene/Hacksaw
Since when were Eugene and Hacksaw a tag team again? Eric Bischoff made them split up and never team up again. You can't just undo that. I know they worked a dark match, but thats just it, nothing else. Lex94 10:43pm May 10, 07

Actually, they've teamed back up again two weeks in a row on Heat. Check the link I gave in my edit summary for the latest match. Maxwell7985 10:34pm May 11, 07

Tables need to be removed.
I didn't want tables, no one asked for tables, tables are horrible, I was the person that asked for the flags, then Neldav decided to do it. But the tables!! They are fuggly and should be removed. They have different alignment to each other, they look horrible, makes the page look worse, horrible clumpy look. Can someone please remove those dam ugly tables!? Govvy 11:42, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree on this one, the tables cause problems on prininting and allignment. I removed them, and how the setup is now looks just fine, easy understanding, good for printing out for personal use, etc. -- Nick  Sparrow  10:07, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Duggan and Eugene are a regular team again
Two weeks in a row on Heat, folks. Just accept it.

mms://livewms.wwe.com/heat/200705/drm-heat050407seg1_300.wmv mms://livewms.wwe.com/heat/200705/drm-heat051107seg1_300.wmv

Maxwell7985 10:38pm May 11, 07

Maxwell, being on Heat is not the same as being a stable on the raw roster. You keep adding them on the Raw roster. Dan Rodimer has appeared on HEAT for numerous times and you dont put him on this page. Duggan and Eugene were terminated onscreen by Eric Bischoff. They cant appear together on TV again. Lex94 11:19am May 12, 2007

Heat IS on TV outside the United States. Maxwell7985 7:37pm May 12, 2007

The point is that Heat and Raw are not the same show. Like mentioned above, there are suprstars who have appeared on Heat, which are not on the main roster. Duggan and Eugene appear on Heat together to occupy space. Chris Masters and Viscera appeared together on Heat and aren't a stable. --Lex94 02:00, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Does it pester you in any way to not have them in that section; does it go against your religious code? I bet the answers are NO, so just stop your whining and if you are going to edit something, you should discuss it first in this page and come to a conclusion with other users. Lex94 02:34, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Kane and Boogeyman
Kane and Boogeyman are officially tagging. Michael Cole said it himself during their match last friday (Kane w/ Boogeyman and Little Boogeyman vs. Dave Taylor w/ William Regal). I added them in stables, and it was removed. I added them again, and then someone removed Little Boogeyman from the stable. I would like to take a vote if Little Boogeyman should be included or not. --Lex94 14:19, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Normally if they pair up in 3 or more matches, then we would consider them a tag team/stable. Govvy 11:24, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Candice Michelle and Mickie James
They have been tagging and defeating Melina and Victoria for some time now. Its been like 5 matches I think. Candice and Mickie should be a stable, so Im putting them there. I'm also putting Melina and Victoria Lex94 15:22, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Add Kenny Dykstra & Johnny Nitro as well. 71.249.82.78 02:09, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I hope that was sarchasm, because Johnny Nitro and Kenny Dykstra haven't teamed up EVER in the past. Kenny Dykstra was recently paired up with Chris Masters, but only because Carlito and Ric Flair were together and Masters was feuding with Carlito, while Kenny feuded with Flair. Johnny Nitro was recently paired with Mike "Miz" Mizanin for absoulutely no apparent reason, rather then to take up space in the 20-team Battle Royal for the World Tag Team Championships.

They did team, once at least. Not that that warrants making them a team, but still, they did. I believe they lost to Cryme Tyme. Njgio 17:27, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Vince, Shane and Umaga
Isn't Vince, Shane and Umaga a stable on the RAW brand.60.225.114.11 09:22, 14 May 2007 (UTC)oJa

I would call them more of an alliance than a stable! Govvy 11:21, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Extreme Exposé
Layla, Kelly Kelly, and Brooke are a stable even though they don't wrestle. They are always together and Tazz and Joey Styles always reffers to the three of them as Extreme Exposé.

Yes this is a stable though they do not wrestle that is a note for other users.

Current Champions
I spent a lot of time adding the current champions, believe me. And then you just revert it. I added them, because they are in the wwe.com roster pages. And if its good enough for the OFFICIAL WWE SITE, its good enough for us.

Remember this roster page is a roster page for WWE, if WWE didn't exist, this wouldn't exist. So, we should base our pages off wwe's. Lex94 02:20, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Do people on this page have no ethic? If you want to remove something from the page, discuss it here. I posted this so people could reply if they wanted the champs on the page, but no one answered so I added them anyway. If you want to discuss removing it from the page, give a logical explanation on this section in the talk page. --Lex94 22:04, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay, you want a reason? How about this: a champions section is already on each of the brands pages (check them for yourself). And if you are so focused with sticking with the OFFICIAL website, then take off the real names. Remember that this is an online encyclopedia, not a wrestling website. We already have enough places to put champions, so leave it alone. And the next time you decide to post a comment on this talk page, try to be more tactful and quit whining when somebody deletes something that you put on. Yes, we have ethics, but we don't need to discuss every single change. --Gamer928 22:49, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Slight organisational change
Certain workers listed in "Other roles" are clearly on-air talent (i.e. Steve Austin, Mick Foley). Therefore, I think they're better suited to be listed under the "Unassigned talent" category, under their own sub-category of "Other on-air talent", similarly to how Jonathan Coachman, Teddy Long and Kelly Kelly are listed for their respected brands.

Edit: I made the change. Njgio 23:04, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Florida Championship Wrestling?
Where has it been mentioned as such? Wikipedia is the only google result for "Florida Championship Wrestling" that is for Keirn's WWE developmental fed. Not saying this is wrong, just hadn't seen it named anywhere yet... 76.50.128.75 19:22, 19 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It was reported as such in Gerweck.net a few weeks back. - 凶 19:50, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

injured?
is the undertaker injured or what? it said he was then later it was removed and now its back again             69.207.162.223 01:27, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

He has a serious biceps injury. The Hybrid 04:17, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah-he's injured and acording to the role his sole left smackdown so hes eithier on raw, smackdown or just left WWE plain and simple... which would be bad

FLAGS
Are the flags on this page really necessary? 60.226.158.198 03:46, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Another thing, Nunzio and Marella's flags are Italy. They are both from America, they're just billed from Italy...Gavyn Sykes 19:01, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I think the flags should be from where they're billed from. who agrees? Lex94 22:35, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Kane isn't billed from anywhere. And I'm pretty sure "The Bottomless Pit" and "Death Valley" don't have flags

i think the flags need to go, in the long run its going to stop all these arguements about who was born in one country and raised in another. Vote perhaps????? Cradle666 11:44, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Personally, these flags do help the page and keeps it informative. But they are getting to be more trouble than they are worth. Now there is a whole new batch of arguments over who was born where or whether the flag should be where they were born or raised. It's getting out of hand and I think we should just drop all the flags and forget the whole thing. I liked them at first and it seemed like a good idea, but things are just getting way out of hand. I'm not going to touch them, I'm just putting in my two cents. Gamer928 19:44, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

^I've re-added this discussion.^ I also think the flags should be removed. There's a Wikipedia article that explains why they shouldn't be used in this context. On top of that, it's just another thing for people to argue about. Country of birth is hardly a vital piece of information anyway, so they should just be deleted, like they have been from the TNA page. Njgio 03:28, 21 May 2007 (UTC)


 * You deleted it from the archive right? there is no need to have the same thing archived twice; might as well take it to WP:PW's talk page that is where the change was discussed. -- 凶 03:44, 21 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm all for getting rid of these flags. There is really no use for them, especially if it is going to represent what country they were born in. Putting the flag of Spain next to Kane's name is extremely misleading. These flags truly have no place on this page. We may as well tack on the state flags and childhood pet if they're gonna stick around. --DaHumorist 13:40, 21 May 2007

I agree with Dahumorist the flags are a stupid idea. They should be removed and the champions page should be put back in


 * Ok, there seems to be a concensus against the flags but no action taken. Therefore, I will remove the flags as per this discussion. Sevenzeroone says: Poopy is not fun! 02:44, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Beth Phoenix
She's posted on her official site or MySpace page or whatever that rumours of her firing are false. So don't remove her. Njgio 03:59, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

So, just because the bimbo says she wasn't fired makes it true?

a huna what nah of course shes not fired shes on raw... and who in the heck is BIMBO?!!?

judgement day
wasnt shawn michaels injured at judgement day? should we put that in the article 74.67.171.23 20:10, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * He wasn't injured there his knee has been hurt for a while an I guess he is now taking time off for surgery. He blew his Knee out but don't change it yet for I am not 100% about this.

2 changes
1. I believe that Ashley is back from injury. So she can be removed from the injured list. 2. Since Melina hasn't escorted Nitro down to the ring in a while I beleive that it should not be next to her name that she is still escoting him.

Well, Ashley is suspended now, and Nitro and Melina broke up on screen now that Nitro is in ECW, (duh)

Wrestling Observer a reliable news source?
Me and a certain member are having a argument on wether to use PWinsider, Wrestling Observer newsletter as a confirmation on firings/hirings, for instance, WWE just recently hired two UK wrestlers under developmental deals according to the wrestling observer, and I added them to Unassigned talent. He removed them, saying WWE.com did not mention it. My argument back is that WWE.com does not aknowledge all hirings/firings, for example (Angel Williams). Also, these forms of information has kept us up to date on current creative team members, some promotions (D'Angeli), and some superstars under contract (McGillicutty). Is there any argument on using these sites as a form of information to post here


 * All those sites are nothing but random speculative "I heard it somewhere" pseudo-information, and have been wrong many times before (Wrestling Observer reported Beth Phoenix was fired when she wasn't). Wikipedia policies (WP:RS, and WP:V), make it clear: "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. ", also from WP:V, "editors adding or restoring material should cite a reliable source, or it may be challenged or removed by any editor." S ince Wrestling Observer fails to be verifiable, or reliable, I have removed the additions NickSparrow placed based on them. Bmg 916 SpeakSign 16:07, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * WWE.com doesnt acknowledge a lot of things including injuries, developmental signings, some releases, and oftentimes character name changes or roster moves for an extended period of time. They are not the only source we've been using here as wrestlingobserver, pwinsider, rajah, 411mania, and others have all provided us with much information. If any info turns out to be actually false, it is usually retracted within a matter of days, but saying that we can no longer use any of these sources is going to render this page very inaccurate. I don't know why, all of a sudden, BMG insists on being the police on a situation that has worked well for so many months, but I, personally, cannot accept this one. I've seen these stupid flagicons and other dumb things go on here, but this one takes the cake. DaHumorist 12:24, 23 May 2007
 * Go ahead and leave it, I'm not going to edit war over policy. I still feel as those should not be used, as they are incredibly unreliable, but it's not worth stressing over, I no longer care. Bmg 916 SpeakSign 16:33, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Until her release has been confirmed by wwe.com, Angel Williams should be put back on the OVW roster.

Dave Meltzer is probably the most reliable reporter on all things WWE, thats not to say he cant get things wrong but to say you shouldn't use the biggest and most repected wrestling related newsletter as a source is ridiculous, use it but if it turns out to be false change it, it doesn't matter that much. Skitzouk 13:33, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Dave Metzler is NOT the most relieble and respected. Please stop being biased. Sure they dirtsheets are an okay source, but they do not have any recognised journalistic credentials.

New Policy Pitch On Listed Wrestler Nicknames
I have heard people argue about whether or not to include wrestler nicknames in their space on the roster pages. I think I have a solution. It is my idea to include only the nicknames where the nickname is part of the ringname as in the ring announcement. For example Shawn Michaels is introduced as The Heartbreak Kid Shawn Michaels therefore the nickname should be included on the roster page. Conversely Kane while being associated with the nickname The Big Red Machine/Monster by announcers it is not part of his annoucement and therefore should not be included. In TNA Abyss is always announced as The Monster Abyss therefore the nickname should be included same goes for Ron The Truth Killings. Please post oppose or support and I would like admin response on this as well.69.182.244.170 20:26, 23 May 2007 (UTC)JakeDHS07

I had brought his up previously. The agreement was to remove all nicknames, period. I still think that "Hacksaw", "The Masterpiece" etc, should be listed but it's not a big issue with me. Gavyn Sykes 04:01, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Tag Team Sorting
There seems to be a small edit-battle taking place over this. We need to come to an agreement. What's everyone's stance? Gavyn Sykes 03:05, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I say alphebatical by the order they are announced or team name (when available).Freebird Jackson 22:22, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Vince McMahon vs. Mr. McMahon
There's a lot of edit warring going on over this in various articles.

Here are the facts. He is announced to the ring as Mr. McMahon, his HUD says Mr. McMahon. He ALWAYS calls himself "Vincent Kennedy McMahon.

Either is fine, to be honest. Just pick one and stay with it... Gavyn Sykes 20:27, 30 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Let's leave it as Vince McMahon we don't have to pay him any respect. - 凶 20:30, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. He uses both names (in fact, his bio even starts "Vince McMahon".... Both are fine to use, so people shouldn't be changing it for no reason. TJ Spyke 00:03, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Just as a correction, I looked at his bio, the only time it says "Vince McMahon" is when it was talking about his father, it says Mr. McMahon everywhere else. That is his ring name, he rarely goes by Vince, just only when he refers to himself. The same thing goes with Mr. Kennedy, his real ring name is Ken Kennedy, but he rarely goes by that on screen and it does say it on his roster page.

i'm not user here but this is out of controll!

OVW
Edited the OVW females roster to include all the talent located on the site. And yes, Beth Phoenix is still on thier roster.Sephiroth storm 02:59, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Dan Rodman and Chuck Palumbo
Why are they listed as part of the Raw roster? They have never appeared on Raw, they should be off. I wont take them off myself, because then the person will just put it back, and we'll just start an editing fight. Lex94 05:59, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * They should be in "Other" because they have been wrestling in dark matches for all 3 brands. TJ Spyke 00:02, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Chuck Palumbo should not be listed as an active member of the RAW roster. 1 Heat appearance hardly constitutes him being considered part of the main roster. He should go under Unassigned or Inactive talent until he debuts on TV.GShton 02:14, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Chuck Palumbo and Dan Rodman should be on the RAW roster because if they competed on HEAT and won a match they are definitely on the RAW roster cause that's usually what happens.

"Usually" being the key word there. Not all the time. Just most of the time. Wikipedia operates on FACTS, not things that are likely to happen. Gavyn Sykes 00:15, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Would someone tell this "Ohgltxg" guy that Palumbo doesn't belong on the main roster with no Raw appearances and mentions aside from one minor Heat appearance. i'm tired of dealing with him. GShton 02:34, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I contacted him regarding this. He still believes he is right, arguing that Palumbo is a part of the Raw brand because Heat is an extension of Raw and that Palumbo defeated "established wrestler" Charlie Haas and appeared again. Gavyn Sykes 14:39, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

an easy way to settle your pathetic squable is to check the WWE roster page, if he's on there fine if not leave him off. Skitzouk 18:01, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't see what would be wrong with listing him under Other Talent on RAW, with "appearing on Heat" next to his name. It's a perfectly fair way, listing him both under the Raw brand, but not adding him to the full-time roster. DaHumorist 16:32, 10 June 2007

That's sounds fine to me. Gavyn Sykes 23:44, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Just an update, I went to a Smackdown/ECW house show and Palumbo wrestled for the Smackdown brand, so I'm going to move him to the unassigned talent, since no one is for sure where he will go. Gamer928 17:09, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

jeez luize ever heard of watching TV hes on smackdown has come over 3 times on smackdown at your smackdown house show hes on smackdown used to be on smackdown formerly in a former smackdown stabble smackdown smackdown smackdown dont you get it!

Mr. Kennedy
When is Mr. Kennedy coming back?
 * i dont know Cradle666 14:08, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

by summerslam. i think he was misdiagnosed and was supposed to be out all year. but hes not that badly injured

hes on raw

Kane & Boogeyman
where is trhe stable of kand and the boogeyman

They have stopped tagging together recently, so they were removed. Gavyn Sykes 20:42, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

they didsub 23:38, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

What? Try to type better...Gavyn Sykes 23:55, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

what okay let me say this they dont hate each other they just havent tagged recently and yes try to type better

Vince
this is cool! i'm writing from my wii! anyway... vince deserves a spot on this page even though he's "dead". Lex94 06:23, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

well where exactly do you put him other then in the business side, he "died" on RAW but was listed under ECW ... Skitzouk 16:07, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

hes not dead he showed up at chris benoits uh... what do you call those things uh.. memorial service thats it he also showed up at an ECW hes not dead and how is that cool if anyone even vince was dead that would leave to dispare

Rene Dupree
Both Rene and Sylvan's bios say that Rene Dupree was released from the WWE. Sylvan's even says a date. I don't recall this happening. Can anyone confirm with a link? If so, we should delete Rene from the page. DaHumorist 15:50, 12 June 2007

It was never confirmed by WWE.com. And it isn't in the WWE alumini page. But it states he got released in his, Sylvan's and La Resistance's page. Chris2038win 00:55, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Any updates? Dahumorist 21:07, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

it was on the WWE page

Sylvan on Smackdown
Last night during the draft Sylvan's photo was shown on the smackdown roster. So he needs to be moved to Smackdown. Chris2038win 00:56, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I mean he was on smackdown when they were tolling the bell ten times for mr. mcmahon with all the other smackdown superstars as well so sylvan needs to be on the smackdown roster.

Why Get Rid Of Sylvan?
If you looked at the SD slots you would of seen Sylvan at the very top. The top left. Chris2038win 03:32, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Because Sylvan's not actually on the SmackDown roster. Last time he was on TV, he was on ECW BBoy.

It doesn't matter. Sylvan showed up on tv on Smackdown with all the other Smackdown superstars when they were tolling the bell ten times for Mr. McMahon.

Ron Simmons
During the draft, Ron Simmons was shown as part of the Raw roster. Coach said that all former world champions on the raw roster become part of the WWE VENGEANCE main event. Ron Simmons should be part of it.

coach said it had to be a former WWE champion Ron Simmons was NWA champion not WWE.

No he said "world champion" and btw he was WCW champion the first african american to hold NWA was ron killings.

Simmons was WCW, I thought.

Booker was never the WWE Champion either, for the record. 5 time WCW WHC and one time WHC in WWE. He's never held the actual WWE Championship belt. On that note, Lashley's only held the ECW World Title and Orton's only held the WHC.

Anyway, Coach said all former world champions would ELIGIBLE to compete, not they had would compete. If everyone was to compete in the match, it could become a mini-Royal Rumble.

On another note, please sign your posts using four tildes. (~) Gavyn Sykes 22:50, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Not a mini royal rumble, because these 6 plus Jerry Lawler are the only world champions on the raw roster. Lex94 02:03, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

The Raw Royal Kingdom
I added King Booker and Queen Sharmell to the stables in the raw roster and someone took them out. please put them back. If you are doubtful because they are not a tag team, it doesnt matter, still a stable. Read stable

They're not a stable. It's noted after Sharmell's name that she is the 'Valet of King Booker.' That's enough. Gavyn Sykes 02:20, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Besides a stable has more than 2 wrestlers in it.

Fine then they're a tag team. they are two wrestlers, and they team up with eachother... (aka a tag team)

They're not a tag team.... or a stable she is only the valet/manger, that is all so leave them out of the stable bit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Welshy1791 (talk • contribs) 06:37, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
i had to remove vandalism by Rooster13 can someone block his ip from editing pages as its not the 1st time he's done it judging by his talk page