Talk:List of World War II vessel types of the United States

Accuracy
I think this list currently includes all naval designations. This list actually has the CVN, for nuclear-powered carriers, which did not exist until after WWII.Cromdog (talk) 20:18, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Should it be renamed to something like "List of naval vessel designations" (or "Glossary of ...") then? -- Quiddity (talk) 21:36, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The page includes many terms, and ship types, coming into use after WW II. For example, MSTS only came into being with the Department of Defense and the assumption of Army's maritime transport functions (along with most of its ships) by Navy in 1950. I would not recommend making the page inclusive of all U.S. military vessel types over history. That would become very complicated. Just the Naval designations changed frequently and Army? That is a real mess! How about period blocks selected by major period that are cross linked and perhaps covered by an overview?Palmeira (talk) 18:10, 12 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The List is of WWII vessel types, and does require redacting to that period. Byzerodivide (talk) 02:07, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Exactly. As of Dec. 2009 the list is a mess of periods, reclassified designations without linkage and misleading random acronym grabs. Two examples: USF & USFS in Navy? Somewhere such an acronym may be found but not in formal or common Naval useage. Frigates were sailing days or post war. They were "brought back" with the USS Oliver Hazard Perry (FFG 7) replacing the WW II DE designation. Flagships were whatever vessel flew the flag of a flag rank officer, sometimes transferred at sea due to damage to the designated flagship. It was not a vessel type! Army was never as rigid and systematic as Navy and tended to type vessels much more by a current function than any design parameters. There were also major changes early in the war. In personal research much of that seems to correlate with the establishment of the Transportation Corps and its assuming the QMC's vessel responsibilities. The consolidation of various coastal cargo types under the FS category seems to correlate to that period. Just cleaning up Army here would be a project! Is it worth doing for a page rarely accessed or linked? Palmeira (talk) 13:40, 30 December 2009 (UTC)


 * My misunderstanding. That'll teach me to edit with a hangover... -- Quiddity (talk) 03:59, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the section headings, we don't use single level =Headers= (That's reserved for the page title). See WP:Layout for related guidelines/recommendations. Thanks ^_^ -- Quiddity (talk) 03:59, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Vessel terms

 * Have to be careful with some of those as they changed and an absolutist approach is invalid. A good example is the FP-FH in which got changed to FS at a later date and one can occasionally find instances of the FP being applied as if it is something different. As for the list mentioned, a scan of the typewritten original is linked from "About Army Watercraft Designations" which is valid for the time it was made, but not entirely valid throughout the war. To be truly accurate any list of the sort in the main article would have to track the changes in vessel designations--and that is not trivial. Particularly with Army vessels one cannot be dogmatic. Sometimes exactly the same "type" got a different designation and the "J" "type" was a wild conglomeration as if every marina and small vessel commercial company had been raided. Any listing needs to make note of this aspect, if for nothing else than to avoid senseless arguments (I've seen them) over whether "FP" or "FS" is the correct term for a vessel. Some early FP designated vessels were under 100' and became F, others became FS and some, out in some backwater, may have remained FP for years. Palmeira (talk) 02:34, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Original Source Bibliography
The following bibliographic list is for the purpose of illustrating how pre-1950 original sources might appear as to title and subject material. Any post-1950 original source should not be cited for this article, as by 1950 the Army's fleet had largely gone to the Navy, per the creation of the Department of Defense and the abolishment of Departments of War and Navy.
 * A Working Bibliography of MHI Sources


 * Reports on Status of Floating Equipment for Southwest Pacific Theater, 11 Feb 44 - 8 Sep 45.
 * Rpt, Utilization of Vessels Employed by US Army, 16-31 May 1944, OCT HB Water Div Vessel Utilization Rpt.


 * MR
 * “Ship Losses.” MR 25 (March 1946): 68.
 * “The Engineer Amphibian Command." MR 23 (September 1943): 13-24. by Trudeau. Arthur G.


 * AH
 * “The Army's Navy.” AH (October 1944): 28-30.


 * CAJ
 * “Seagoing Soldiers.” CAJ 33 (May-June): 32-33. by Bodine, A. Aubrey.
 * “The Octopus.” CAJ 86 (January-February 1943): 52-53. by Pique, Paul E. and Theodore J. Fisher.


 * MCG
 * “The Army Goes to Sea” MCG 27 (August 1943): 43-44.
 * “A United Invasion Force." MCG 27 (August 1943): 44-45, 47-48.
 * “Gunboat Blitz.” MCG 30 (Febmary 1946): 8-13. by Richards, Guy.


 * Yank
 * “Seagoing Soldiers." Yank 2 (March 24. 1944): 12-13.


 * Firepower
 * "Base Shops Afloat," Firepower (February-March 1945), pp. 2-3. Maj Albert D. Lueders.


 * The Ordnance Digest
 * "Maintenance Afloat," The Ordnance Digest, (April 1945), pp. 16-18.


 * Yachting
 * "The Army's Fleet Comes of Age." Yachting (May 1944)
 * "The Outboard Has Gone to War." Yachting (March 1944)
 * "Get That Pilot." Yachting (September 1943)
 * "The Army's Navy." Yachting (March 1943)


 * Quartermaster Review
 * "Harbor Boats," Quartermaster Review (Sept-Oct 1938), pp 27-31, 63.
 * "Water Transport," QM Rev (Mar-Apr 1940): pp. 24-26., Cordiner, Douglas, C.


 * "Put 'Em Across.", Sandelin, Clarence K., Military Review (Jul 1946)
 * Title	Military review, Volume 26 ...


 * "Ships of the Army." Army Ordnance (Jan-Feb 1945):  pp. 241-248. Per.
 * Title	Army ordnance, Volume 28 ...


 * "Chemical Mortar Boats in the Pacific Ocean Area." Military Review (Nov 1946):pp. 15-19.  Per., Unmacht, George F.
 * Title	Military review, Volumes 1-45 ...


 * "THE COAST GUARD IN THE ARMY", By Lieutenant (].G.) E. R. Spencer, Jr., U. S. Coast Guard Reserve,
 * Proceedings Magazine: United States Naval Institute, Vol. 72, April 1946, No. 518 (Part I), p.569. ...

Army Publications
Publications relating to water transport
 * Monthly catalog of United States Government publications.


 * FIELD MANUAL
 * FM 21-6 List and Index of War Department Publications
 * FM 31-5 Landing on Hostile Shores
 * FM 55-105 Water Transportation: Oceangoing Vessels
 * FM 55-130 Small Boats and Harbor Craft
 * FM 55-150-C1 Amphibian Truck Company


 * TECHNICAL MANUAL
 * TM 5-362 Engineer Port Repair Ship
 * TM 5-400  Military Railways and Inland Waterways (30 November 1940){Change 1}
 * TM 10-380 Water Transportation (14 February 1941)
 * TM 10-381 Water Transportation, Stevedoring and Stowing (18 July 1942)
 * TM 38-412 "Standard Supply and Transportation Information MAR44"
 * TM 55-310 Stevedoring and Wharf Handling (17 May 1943)
 * TM 55-320 Small Boat and Harbor Craft Preventive Maintenance (November 1944)


 * TECHNICAL BULLETINS
 * TB 55-310-1 Stevedoring


 * ARMY REGULATIONS
 * AR 55-305 "Water Transportation—General Provisions OCT42"
 * AR 55-310 "Transportation master NOV44", [Supersedes AR 55-325, Nov. 5, 1942.]
 * AR 55-325 "Transport Master NOV42"
 * AR 55-315 "Transport commander NOV44",
 * [Supersedes par. 1 AR 55-320, Dec. 7, 1942, including Changes 1, Jan. 26, 1943, and AR 55-330, Dec. 1, 1942.]
 * AR 55-320 "Transport commander, ship transportation officer, or transportation agent DEC42", [Supersedes AR 55-320, Sept. 1, 1942.]
 * AR 55-330 "Relationship aboard transports of transport commander, unit commanders, master, and others DEC42"
 * AR 55-515 "Charter of vessels SEP42"


 * AR 55-510 "Harbor boat service OCT42". —Organizes the Harbor Boat Service as a branch of the Transportation Corps, and details general instructions in the operation of harbor boats. This AR is of special interest to the Army Mine Planter Service.
 * AR 55-510 "Harbor craft JUL49",
 * [Together with SR 55-510-1 to SR 55-510-3, supersedes AR 55-510. Oct. 9, 1942, including Changes 6. July 17, 1946. and various sections of certain circulars.]


 * TABLE OF ORGANIZATION AND EQUIPMENT
 * T/O&E 55-500 Transportation Service Organization. —This table is the only source for obtaining marine maintenance and repair units for shore installations, traffic regulation personnel, crews for small boats and harbor craft, hospital train maintenance units and railway workshop (mobile) units. Reference is made to appropriate Field Manuals of the 55- series.
 * It is is divided into the following parts;
 * supply units
 * traffic regulation units
 * headquarters and mess units
 * maintenance and repair units (marine and rail)
 * port stevedore units
 * amphibian truck units
 * crews: boats and harbor craft
 * crews: propulsion units, cranes and barges

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