Talk:List of Xbox Live Arcade games

XBLArcade stories
Blobbies Wars - not announced for arcade. They would like to get it on the service. It's Mr Pants - I pulled that out from my pants. The only thing rumored is that Mr Pants is in a title for XBLA ~ Hexx @ XBLArcade.com--24.245.39.96 (talk) 07:20, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying, I've updated the page. SeanMooney (talk) 10:29, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Two tables
I separated the one giant table into two smaller ones. This should make it easier for readers to more quickly find the stuff they're interested in (some people are only interested in upcoming games, others want to see only released games). I think it should also make the sorting work a little bit better (in the released section at least) since there's no more TBA release dates and prices messing things up.

And it looks nicer since there's no longer any white-space/empty fields (those were all left blank for the upcoming games section). I also removed the Status part in released games section (since they all said Released). These changes make it more consistent with the Virtual Console page. Let me know if you have any problems with this. SeanMooney (talk) 07:10, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * It's ugly, and the categories are missing, making it quite uninformative. I had a better idea on how to shrink the table, but it's impossible now. JAF1970 (talk) 01:27, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Categories are under "Genres". --M ASEM 01:29, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * It still looks extremely ugly. The prior version was better. Heck, the Xbox 1 Live Arcade list looks better than this. Yuck. I don't understand the desire to tinker with a format that looked good and most of all, worked. This new version gives me the opposite reaction - it makes me not want to look at it. JAF1970 (talk) 23:15, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * One of the reasons I made this is that someone pointed out that at the time there were three pages listing Xbox games, the one on the Xbox Live Arcade page, another page that listed them solely by date, and a third page that had future releases. Given the ability to use sorted tables, and the simplicity of moving a future game to release with almost no change in the format, suggests that the better way to present the data is one single concise table.  Yes, that adds a column and takes out the genre headers, but this gives the user the ability to sort the data in several ways that they couldn't before.  --M ASEM  23:41, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Rareware titles
GoldenEye 007, Banjo-Kazooie and Perfect Dark have all been rumored online. I'm a little unsure how to add them to the list, if someone could do this. The link to my source is: http://n4g.com/xbox360/News-98053.aspx

Also, 'The Fast and the Furriest' by Rare has also been semi-announced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Firebomb 87 (talk • contribs) 16:22, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, Goldeneye has been almost announced it is so rumored. And I loved that game, btw.142.165.59.39 (talk) 08:58, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm slightly confused, The Fast & the Furriest is listed as a "Rumored", but GoldenEye isn't. I think GoldenEye has been more hinted at then The Fast & The Furriest. Otherranch (talk) 02:42, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, GE007 has been heavily rumored, but the XBLA port is no longer happening, which is the reason it's not listed. SeanMooney (talk) 06:21, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Merge
Per the consensus at Articles for deletion/List of Xbox Live Arcade releases by date, the relevant information from List of Xbox Live Arcade releases by date should be merged into this list. Some suggestions as to what content that would be can be found in the discussion on the AfD page. FYI- Per the Afd-mergeto tag, "If the merger is not completed promptly, [List of Xbox Live Arcade releases by date] might be re-nominated for deletion." (Guyinblack25 talk 17:18, 3 March 2008 (UTC))
 * I'd like to propose removing the Xbox Originals from the merged list(s). They already have their own list (List of Xbox Originals), and they're not Xbox Live Arcade titles in any normal sense (e.g. don't include 200 points worth of achievements).  --Slordak (talk) 19:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * This merge doesn't make sense to me. It's redundant and significantly bloats the page size - every single game is needlessly listed twice now. The 'Released games' table can be sorted by release date so there's no reason to duplicate all the data like this. As for listing Xbox Originals, that is an entirely different/separate service and has its own dedicated article at List of Xbox Originals. The only thing that should (debatably) be merged into this page is the downloadable content releases. SeanMooney (talk) 21:29, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The redundant content was one of the main reasons why it was decided the two lists should be merged. Feel free to remove any redundant content that does not add to the list in its previous form. As you've already stated, some content belongs in other lists, like List of Xbox Originals. A link to the Xbox Originals could be included in the "See also" section though. One of the more common suggestion in the AfD was that any special dates or events could be written as prose in the lead of this list. Information like downloadable content specific to certain games, should not be included as information like that is best left for each games own article. (Guyinblack25 talk 21:52, 3 March 2008 (UTC))
 * I've removed the Xbox Originals and linked off to that page in the "see also" section instead. As for the few XNA games listed, they are also separate from Xbox Live Arcade and were just limited time downloads which were available for just a few days - I started a page two weeks ago for Xbox Live Community Games, which is currently just a redirect but will list those titles when the service officially launches at the end of this year. I also removed all of the full games (since they were duplicates), which leaves just the downloadable content releases remaining - so I renamed the section to "Downloadable content". Would like some feedback, is everyone happy with this or not? SeanMooney (talk) 23:31, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Happy? No. Angry and frustrated? Very. This merge doesn't make sense to me either. But there's no way to merge it into this page that brings back the usability of the list as it was in the now-defunct other page. So whoever wanted that merge and didn't care about the other list, I hope they feel better now knowing that they have successfully prevented everyone else from using it also. Is this really an improvement? 70.83.101.179 (talk) 07:19, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Well unfortunately, Wikipedia is not the place for everything, even if others think otherwise. I would also like to say there is nothing stopping someone from putting the old list on some free gaming wiki. Wikipedia's content is under the GNU Free Documentation License, which means text can be redistributed onto another website. Also, a suggestion to help improve the list, I would also include any important dates or events in the lead of the list. Currently it is only one sentence and could some extra content like when did Xbox Live Arcade start? Was there anything special or notable about the launch? Is it on a schedule? Stuff like that to help give a general reader a better idea of what the list is about. (Guyinblack25 talk 15:26, 4 March 2008 (UTC))
 * Yeah! Who needs an encyclopedia to be informative? The NERVE! JAF1970 (talk) 00:09, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Why on Earth is it currently sorted by genre? No one cares about the genre of games they are buying. Please resort it by date, that's the only reason I ever read the article. It's difficult and cumbersome to roam around the XBLA interface to find what games were released in the last month, this article used to be a nice easy way to see what I've missed. Now, it isn't. It's just useless info for the sake of being complete :/ --86.130.30.163 (talk) 10:53, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems that you are unaware the table can be sorted in multiple ways. Read the instructions at the top of the page: "To sort by other columns, click the corresponding icon in the header row." If you'd like to sort them by date, all it takes is a single click. SeanMooney (talk) 11:43, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh wow! I didn't even know Wikipedia tables could do that. That's pretty neat. Strange that we used to have two tables at all, then, haha!--86.130.30.163 (talk) 16:32, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Two more shooters
Add Ketsui and DoDonPachi Dai Ou Jou Black Label. JAF1970 (talk) 00:09, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Forget it - they're retail games (!). JAF1970 (talk) 03:29, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Confirmed games
The citation should be the Xbox.com page for Confirmed games. JAF1970 (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe the Xbox Live Arcade game page on Xbox.com is only created the week of it's released so that may not be that helpful. Silver Sonic Shadow (talk) 07:43, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That's not true. There are some unreleased games on the Xbox.com page (Brain Challenge, Bliss Island and War World come to mind). JAF1970 (talk) 15:23, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * What about games that are mentioned in official Microsoft press releases? They often list the next several upcoming XBLA games in those. SeanMooney (talk) 12:51, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * If Microsoft issues a press release, sure. Otherwise, it's just an Announced game. But include the link to that, not the announcement url. JAF1970 (talk) 15:24, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Monopoly and Scrabble
There is an article in this month's OXM about Monopoly and Scrabble on page 86. I don't know if this is enough to raise the level about rumoured or not... but I'm sure you guys would know. 142.165.59.39 (talk) 22:30, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Marathon and Marathon Infinity
For the record, at around 0:49:50 in the 2/28/2008 1UP Retronauts podcast (episode 37), Bruce Morrison (the Marathon: Durandal project lead) talks about how they're not sure there's a market for a port of Infinity, and how Microsoft seems to be mostly keeping away from M-rated games. So that's some evidence that it's not necessarily in development.

Also, the page currently cites this Rampancy post as the only source for the rumor; and the Rampancy post is just reporting this post, which says "It's up to Bungie and MS." and "I think if sales reach expectations it'll probably show up.". By my reading that was also a confirmation that it wasn't in development yet. -- DocumentN (talk) 05:00, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Add Size Requirements?
I've been scouring the internet looking for information regarding the sizes of the various XBLA games (specifically deciding whether to go 20GB or 120GB, but that's beside the point). As best as I can tell, this information isn't available online and can only be found if you currently have a 360. Would someone be willing/able to add another column to this table to include approximate download sizes of games? I would think this would be very useful information for many people. Phoenix00017 (talk) 04:42, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It is listed online, actually. MajorNelson.com lists the sizes of Arcade games in his posts here. There was a 50mb size limit from launch until March 2007. After that games could go up to 150mb. So all XBLA games right now are under 150mb (although the size limit has just recently been raised to 350mb). I don't think it's necessary to add game sizes to the table. SeanMooney (talk) 14:41, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I thank you for the link, but while some of them have this information, most of these posts do not appear to have the download sizes listed. Additionally, the information is rather messy and difficult to access, so I don't really think this is a good source.  I'm probably going to get a 360 soon, so I can add this information when I do, if people think it'd be useful.  In my mind, this is a large amount of information that is not readily available anywhere else on the internet, and as such would make sense for Wikipedia.  Plus, I would be surprised if this limit isn't increased, and for anyone with a 20GB model these sizes could be noteworthy.  However, I'm fairly new at content creation here, so I'll defer decision on whether or not to include it to someone who's a veteran around here. Phoenix00017 (talk) 02:02, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Rock Band / Guitar Hero DLC
I didn't see these anywhere. They have their own pages, so we don't need to list them, but we should at least include a link. Maybe under the Downloadable Content, we could just put the title (under the release date) and link to the DLC song lists? Thoughts? Dude Love (talk) 23:27, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Neither of those games are Xbox Live Arcade titles, those are full retail games, so they don't really belong on this page. There's a list on wikipedia over at List of downloadable songs for the Rock Band series. SeanMooney (talk) 00:55, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Banjo-Kazooie / Banjo-Tooie
Banjo-Kazooie has been officially confirmed by both Rare (www.rareware.com, under the news section), and Microsoft. No need to list it as 'announced'. I re-listed it as confirmed.

As far as Banjo-Tooie is concerned, this HAS NOT been confirmed nor announced. There has been some articles saying that it is in the works according to 'reliable sources'. This is by no means a confirmation or announcement. It has been re-listed as a rumor, no matter how credible the source may be. Please list is as confirmed when an OFFICIAL announcement has been made by Rare and/or Microsoft. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Firebomb 87 (talk • contribs) 03:20, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

E3 2008
Both Banjo-Kazooie and Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved 2 are listed as 'Confirmed' according to their E3 2008 announcement, while titles such as Galaga Legions, Portal: Still Alive, South Park, and Uno Rush were all announced at the exact same event, and have the same reference source, but are still listed as 'Announced.' Considering our definition of a 'Confirmed' title is if it has either been "formally announced by Microsoft and/or [has its] own Xbox.com page," I believe that all XBLA titles announced at E3 2008 should have their statuses changed to 'Confirmed' to reflect this. El Capitaine (talk) 15:40, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Bot report : Found duplicate references !
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)
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 * RBI Baseball
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DumZiBoT (talk) 10:18, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Downloadable Content List
I added entries for Outpost Kaloki X which released DLC in late 2005 and early 2006. (Full Disclosure: I work for NinjaBee). After a fruitless search for reliable information about these release dates elsewhere on the web, I finally just asked a Test Lead at Microsoft who e-mailed me exact dates for the Outpost Kaloki X content from their release database.

But this makes me think we might be missing other DLC releases. Is there another reliable source with dates out there somewhere? --Stay (talk) 20:09, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Quake Live Arcade
Can someone confirm if Quake Live Arcade is cancelled or not? There are plenty of pages where they say that this title is cancelled...

http://www.gamerbytes.com/2008/08/quake_arena_for_xbla_canned.php http://www.destructoid.com/xbla-quake-title-canned-98059.phtml —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.2.148.216 (talk) 09:41, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Metacritic.com Scores?
In general, I realize that it would be biased to choose a particular website or reviewer to give scores for these games. Instead, I propose including Metacritic.com scores (which are averages over many reviews and act as more of a consensus) as an additional column so that people have quick access to an accurate estimation of the quality of games on this page. Metacritic scores are often cited on individual game pages, though admittedly often with other external links as well. Thoughts? Phoenix00017 (talk) 17:24, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree, excellent idea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arrog (talk • contribs) 23:25, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Nah, tables are already way too cluttered. Plus the metacritic scores change as more votes/reviews are submitted. Akadewboy (talk) 06:38, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Vintage Games Collection
6 new games were updated today: Comix Zone, Altered Beast, Shinobi, Phantasy Star, Sonic 3 and Gunstar Heroes. Enjoy. Sora3087 (talk) 16:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Metalocalypse: Dethgame
Have to start a page and put this as 'Announced' http://www.joystiq.com/2009/07/22/dethgame-rocks-out-q4-2009-titmouse-clarifies-involvement/ UltimateSin01 (talk) 11:38, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

What about doubles?
Castlevania x 2 (extra JAP) Bionic Commando x 2 (extra GER) Buku Sudoku x 3 (extra JAP and MEX)

I think it should be notice here. In rankings they are as separate games, so no 234 but 238. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.229.196.222 (talk) 11:32, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Final Fight/Magic Sword
Not sure how to update the lists properly but Final Fight: Double Impact is now out. It actually contains the original Final Fight arcade game as well as Magic Sword so Magic Sword can be removed from the upcoming list and maybe a note attached to FF: Double Impact to show it has both. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Azrael84 (talk • contribs) 01:54, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

April 2011 Delisted: Doritos Crash Course and Harm's Way
Doritos Crash Course and Harm's Way have been delisted.

The question is when? XP1 (talk) 06:55, 5 April 2011 (UTC)


 * A couple hours later, Doritos Crash Course and Harm's Way are back up again. XP1 (talk) 08:02, 5 April 2011 (UTC)


 * EDIT: Microsoft simply updated the links: Doritos Crash Course and Harm's Way. The old ones are now invalid. XP1 (talk) 00:30, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

"Free" games
Pinball FX2 and Crimson Alliance should really have notes added like Hasbro Family Game Night. They are technically free, but you have to pay 200 for a pinball table and 800-1200 for Crimson Alliance characters to actually play. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pyoobez (talk • contribs) 19:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I think price ranges should be included instead of notes - there are too many unique cases to account for JMJimmy (talk) 18:21, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Crimson Alliance
I removed "free" from Crimson alliance and gave it a price range instead. The reason for this is that Microsoft deems a demo as a game without achievements, this is the case with Crimson Alliance, you must pay a minimum of 200msp for achievements and up to 1200msp for the full game (DLC excluded). JMJimmy (talk) 18:21, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

TotemBall
In the article, TotemBall is listed as no longer available. Am I the only one who noticed that, for some reason, it was recently re-added back to the XBLA marketplace?--76.106.255.89 (talk) 22:05, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

New game for free
Could be added to the list? Link: http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Product/Mars-Rover-Landing/66acd000-77fe-1000-9115-d80258480836 --McZusatz (talk) 16:53, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It's actually not an Xbox Live Arcade game. It's part of Kinect Fun Labs. --Teancum (talk) 17:12, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Price lists
In discussion of another game list that's up for discussion, the fact that this list contains virtual prices, contrary to WP:NOT was brought up. We can mention that the prices for games range from 400 to 1200 mps ($5 to $15) overall, but we should not be spelling out every price. --M ASEM (t) 01:12, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Feel free to be WP:BOLD and make the change, but from my experience on this page the IP edits will continually override you. --Teancum (talk) 02:22, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Gateways
Gateways is a recent Portal-inspired 2D platformer from Microsoft Studios that got a 9/10 from Game Informer (see their review). Someone should add it to the list.70.131.124.27 (talk) 23:11, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Fork?
Is List of Xbox Live Arcade games (Xbox 360) a fork of this list? Haven't looked into it other than that they look very similar... czar ♔  04:11, 24 November 2013 (UTC)