Talk:List of YouTubers/Archive 6

RFC: Ray William Johnson

 * The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
 * ,, , and oppose including Ray William Johnson on this list.  and  support Johnson's inclusion. There is a rough consensus at this time to exclude Johnson from the list. The consensus reached at this RfC is not binding in that a second, broader RfC has been initiated to determine the inclusion criteria on this list. If the consensus at  is that people like Johnson who do not pass Notability (people) but have received coverage in secondary reliable sources can be included on the list, there is no prejudice to restoring Ray William Johnson to the list at that time. Cunard (talk) 22:58, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

There have been multiple discussions on the YouTuber Ray William Johnson. The sources provided to try and get him added to the list have not met the requirements. No suitable news articles have been presented, thus what I am saying in the discussions is being twisted into something it's not. They don't agree with the Wikipedia rules that have to do with reliable sources and seem to have an issue with them being enforced. So this request for comments is being brought forth so this Ray William Johnson issue can be laid to rest once and for all. Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 21:29, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Please consider the links above that have been added since the last time you commented. PokeHomsar (talk) 22:40, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Lol, You are being twisted? Most of the presented articles cover the basic requirements needed via the Wikipedia Rules and Guidelines and match, or out do in quality those of other sources used for reference on the page which requires this talk page. SoWhy has already stated himself that one of the articles he has seen meets the requirements and is acceptable for reference meaning that YouTube user Ray William Johnson has the qualities to be added on to the page aforementioned. Mr. C.C has seen and is constantly turning down any page on his own terms of validity and notability. SoWhy's accepted source hasbeen denied by this user but he sticks with the source being acceptable for recognition. It seems there is a personal opinion on his mind as to why Johnson should not be accepted for the list and he will not stop denying his recognition for the page after multiple sources have been submitted and meet all requirements. I believe that many sources submitted have enough information and come from reliable sources which give all rights to add Ray William Johnson to the 'List of YouTube Personalities' page on Wikipedia.--Underwoodl06 (talk) 02:02, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Please do not misinterpret my comments. I only said that the source was reliable and covers him, but I also said that it's alone not sufficient extensive coverage as required by our notability guidelines. Regards  So Why  10:32, 25 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Looked through the sources...only one that stuck out as meeting WP:RS was the sfgate one, which only mentioned him for "Videos of the week." I don't think that's quite enough to merit an entry here. OhNo itsJamie  Talk 02:05, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Sources are not sufficient for his addition to the list. Same as what Ohnoitsjamie said, there is the one but its not enough for his inclusion. Use that one for a example of what to look for and present as a WP:RS.  Kyle  1278  03:18, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

I bet any of you that I can go through this whole list of people and find sources that aren't news articles and have less information than most of the references submitted for RWJ's admission to the list, and a bunch of them that don't even work. I mean, it has already been shown that some don't work, but your solution instead of removing the person like you losers did RWJ, you tell us to find other sources for them to keep them on the list. Once again, I should make a topic asking editors to submit whether or not some of the editors here are personally biased against Ray William Johnson's inclusion of the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Underwoodl06 (talk • contribs) 04:38, 28 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Accusing people of having a personal bias is not really going to sway people. Nor is pointing out that "other stuff exists". If you find any entries to the list that fail to satisfy the notability guideline(s), then the correct way is to remove them as well, not add another person that fails them. Regards  So Why  12:00, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Not only that, but personal attacks are not going to help get him on the list any quicker. You need to read WP:CIVIL along with WP:NPA and various related information.  What you are doing Underwood is harming the Wikipedia process.  You need to comment on the content not the people.  You are not helping to make a good editing environment by doing the later.  What you FEEL is irrelevant.  Wikipedia isn't edited based on FEELINGS.  Feelings get in the way of editing objectively.   Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 17:23, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * You Mr. C.C are harming the process by 'policing' the page for only RWJ and not anybody else. You are not a fair editor nor are you following the WP Process that was 'set fourth through years of discussions'. Of course you consider it a personal attack, but it is only a response to your bias of RWJ. So I tell you that 'WP isn't edited based on FEELINGS'. So you need to get over yours. I think you need to take a break from WP for a bit because you are just too caught up in your personal goals to rule and police this page for RWJ and any mention of him at all.Underwoodl06 (talk) 04:01, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Wow you guys are really asses, and I agree theres several people in that lsit that shouldnt be there, isnt your job as editors to remove them as well ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.247.172.49 (talk) 19:18, 1 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Everyone is an "editor", so it's everyone's job to do it. If you cannot do it yourself, you can at least tell us who should be removed. Regards  So Why  17:17, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Obviously not because you two are controlling the page and not letting anybody add to it unless you approve. Why aren't you two going through and ousting out the people that don't belong like you seem so dedicated to whenever RWJ appears on it? Once again, you only have a personal bias against him and him only. So we will leave the clean up job to the 'WP Police(Janitors)'Underwoodl06 (talk) 04:01, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

C'mon... RWJ is possibly the funniest interent personality ever. He not only has alot of subscribers but also tonnes of views. He gets around 5 million views per video now and he posts two a week. How can he not be the greatest you tube personality ever. Please for the love of common sense add him to the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.45.83.172 (talk) 00:33, 11 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Mr CC and SOWhy have some issue with RWJ -- sometimes I wonder if he is one of them since he is not a fan of the publicity. In any event, these two have clearly demonstrated a BIAS against RWJ (this is not an attack, it is a supportable theory) because they use different standard for him than others on this list. The bottom line is that they will lose eventually -- RWJ is notable. We have cited plenty of solid sources including major international press -- it is only a matter of time before they have to give him. And they know it. Many YouTube's have questionable or time-sensitive notability but RWJ is not a one-video-hit wonder; he is a phenomenon. So Mr CC and SoWhy will lose this childish battle in the end.206.176.237.7 (talk) 17:55, 11 March 2011 (UTC)


 * This is a misunderstanding. Once the subject passes the criteria, it can be included, and Mr CC and SoWhy win, because they support the criteria not oppose the content.  It's the same as bands that have "enormous potential" - maybe one day, maybe soon, they will be notable/significant, but not now. Rich Farmbrough, 17:54, 22 March 2011 (UTC).


 * No. Sorry. I have watched this silliness for weeks; Mr CC and SoWhy were heavily biased against RWJ and ignored and rejected perfectly good sources. Perhaps, when they first objected, it was reasonable -- but soon after that it became obvious that even without the Fifth Pillar that RWJ was notable and should be included on this list (what, did they want him to be number ONE on YouTube before they accepted him?) and yet the continued their campaign against him. It was a losing battle and they lost.70.189.147.1 (talk) 19:57, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Danny Johnson
Can someone include Danny Johnson? He is known as guitarherophenom and is known as THE Guitar Hero. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.253.226.118 (talk) 08:17, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you provide reliable sources. Remember video views and subscribers don't necessarily mean they are notable.  Kyle  1278  01:09, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from AlonzoOreo, 12 April 2011
Jonathan Paula, Jory Caron, Riley McLlwain JPizzle1122 Known mostly for their show Microwave This? In which they microwave items sent in by viewers. !class="unsortable" align="center"|References

AlonzoOreo (talk) 03:55, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Bility (talk) 15:54, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I've tried looking up sources for these guys and have had no such luck.  Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 09:30, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Since I think these guys are amazing, my due diligence:

http://it.tmcnet.com/channels/projector-lamp/articles/163502-projector-lamp-bulbs-its-whats-dinner.htm

http://www.thedailyitemoflynn.com/articles/2011/03/21/news/news04.txt PokeHomsar (talk) 18:47, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
 * There are a few inaccuracies with these articles. First, Jory is not a light bulb enthusiast.  Secondly, Riley is not a LCD aficionado.  Thirdly, there was no pranks that were the basis of Jon's career.  Fourthly, an airbag was not the first thing they microwaved which lead to this career.  The early videos including the early "Is is a Good Idea to Microwave This" seasons were shot while Jon and Jory were in college.  Those are my only problems with the articles.  Those are the only two articles on them which makes it hard to source an actual article on all three of them.  Even though ideoProductions is great, Wikipedia isn't edited based on how we feel.   Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 21:42, 16 April 2011 (UTC)


 * It doesn't matter if you know differently on the information expressed in reliable sources. Unless you can find reliable sources that prove your version of things, we have to show the one that is depicted in these sources. Verifiability, not truth, remember? Secondly, we've all already agreed in the discussion above that people on this list don't need to have articles themselves to be considered for inclusion. They just need to have reliable sources that talk about them in enough depth to show their notability for inclusion. These sources do that, thus they should be included. Silver  seren C 06:29, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Firstly, where in what I said did I say they shouldn't be included? Secondly, I said those are the only two sources you'll find.  They are an actual article unlike some you'll find on the list.  Thirdly, shouldn't the source be correct so the information is correctly verified?   Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 06:36, 17 April 2011 (UTC)


 * You seemed to imply that they shouldn't be included. If that isn't true, then I apologize. I've just added them myself anyways. For your third point, the main issue is that the information being incorrect is just your opinion and we can't verify that your opinion is correct. We have no reason not to believe that the information shown in these sources is correct, unless other reliable sources are found that contradict it. If we just went off of people's opinions, then we wouldn't have any articles on conspiracy theories, because someone would delete them, since it is their opinion that they aren't real or true. Silver  seren C 06:43, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Jory and Riley have their own channels that they produce content on. Jon has his own second channel where he produces other content. Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 12:53, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Mr. C. C., are you just a contrarian or do you just hate all popular YouTubers? Or do you just hate all the people I like? PokeHomsar (talk) 01:03, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
 * PokeHomsar, are you a troll or do you hate people with a difference of opinion? Seriously, get over yourself.  You've been told to stop, now do it.  For you information, just because they "popular" doesn't mean everyone has to like them.   Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 07:43, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Please revert
The original entry "Baba Ali | Known as ummahfilms, known for the Reminder Series and Ask Baba Ali Series. was vandalised, and changed to a non-notable personality "Burns Milheron | Known as hovercat34, known for the videos Women in the Kitchen and Multi-Hack." Chould be reverted. (25/04/11)


 * ✅ Thanks for notifying. If you notice other such changes, you can provide a diff to allow us to find the edit in question easier. Regards  So Why  22:22, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 76.199.151.40, 17 May 2011
Somebody honestly needs to update this list, because Rebecca Black is not even listed

76.199.151.40 (talk) 22:56, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template., as this may or may not be a controversial edit. It's unclear to me if Black constitutes a YouTube personality. Her rise to notoriety can certainly be attributed to her music video posted on YouTube, but is this enough? Perhaps a few other editors can help determine that.  Kinaro (talk)'''(contribs) 01:27, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Kinaro you can request comments on this issue and see what non-involved editors think.  Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 09:12, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I did, though I should have been a bit more clear about it. Will create a new section,  Kinaro (talk)'''(contribs) 23:27, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Rebecca Black
An edit request I recently answered on this page brought up the debate of whether or not to include the artist, and I'd like to know if we have any consensus. Please remember that a high number of views and/or subscribers is not a valid reason for inclusion on this list. Cheers,  Kinaro (talk)'''(contribs) 23:35, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Did you event list this in the RfC section of Wikipedia? If not, than it's pointless to just add a section.   Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 03:11, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
 * A local talk page discussion can take place before an official RFC...and this talk page is pretty active. C T J F 8 3  15:12, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I put up "local" RfCs before with little discussion...  Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 07:41, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Vaibhavmathur3, 11 May 2011
Please add Sungha Jung into the list of YouTube personalities. His Youtube channel is jwcfree. Notes - a South Korean prodigy guitarist who has risen to fame on YouTube.

Reliable Source - Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sungha_Jung)

Vaibhavmathur3 (talk) 10:04, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Provide us with at least 1 3rd party source mentioning this artist. C T J F 8 3  17:04, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * This person tried to use the article of this person as a source... I guess this person doesn't understand the concept of a third party source...  Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 00:39, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Please consider this page from Korean-content.com as 3rd party reliable source -> http://korean-content.com/2011/02/17/sungha-jung-%E2%80%93-korean-guitar-prodigy/

Not done: Since the purpose of that site is to "lead the country's creative economy through the promotion of the contents industry", it is in no way a reliable source. That is, it's a press agency designed (and, presumably, paid) to write stories about people to promote them. That does not establish that Jung is a notable Youtube star. You need an article in a normal newspaper, a television news program, a music industry magazine, etc. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:24, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

In that case, please consider this article published in "The Korea Times", which is a well recognized English language newspaper published in Korea -> http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2011/02/123_82225.html


 * With that source (which I added to Jung's wikipage as well), I'll add the name here. However, note that Sungha Jung itself may be deleted, because it's not clear that he meets the notability guidelines for musicians or people in general.  Qwyrxian (talk) 05:00, 19 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Ugh, actually, I can't add it right now, because I can't access Youtube from work, so I don't know what his channel name is. If someone else could add, that would be helpful (else I'll try to take care of it later). Qwyrxian (talk) 05:02, 19 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Pictogram voting comment.svg Note: Answered; edit=answered template switched to yes.  Kinaro (talk)'''(contribs) 23:19, 19 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Sungha Jung's Youtube channel is "jwcfree". edit=answere template changed to no because the person hasn't been added to the article yet. --Vaibhavmathur3 07:16, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Now its done. Thanks.  Qwyrxian (talk) 04:45, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Julian Smith and Freddie Wong
Most of Julian's videos have over 1,000,000 views. he is the 19th most subscribed to director on youtube. Freddie wong is in the top 15 for most subscribes users. im surprised that neither of them are there, but some obscure people are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.96.98.171 (talk) 17:25, 22 May 2011 (UTC)


 * As it says at the top of the page you saw when you made this post: "a high number of views alone [...] is not sufficient reason to add an artist to the list." If you think they should be added, please provide reliable sources that cover them significantly. Regards  So Why  17:32, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Professor Elemental
Though I'm a regular reviewer here, I'll nonetheless post this for peer review before making a change.

I think Professor Elemental should be added to this list. His wildly-popular "chap-hop" video "Cup of Brown Joy" (over a million hits) helped garner him and fellow chap-hop artist Mr. B The Gentleman Rhymer the attention of the mainstream media, including the Wall Street Journal and Wired Magazine.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2078997/Cup-of-Brown-Joy-tea-rap-becomes-YouTube-hit.html http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/04/pl_chaphop/ http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703716904576133674200088328.html --Jonnybgoode44 (talk) 04:37, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Popular and notable are two different things. The articles are just about this rap and not about how he is notable.   Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 05:04, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * "They have created chap-hop, fusing the American urban musical genre with the imagined lifestyle of the British upper classes. ... Whatever the outcome of the feud, chap-hop is growing, part of a wider retro-futurist movement that re-creates modern life as imagined in the past." Creating an entirely new genre of music is notable, I would say.
 * He's also now a headliner at major steampunk events both in his native Britain and abroad (just last week he performed at the Steampunk World's Fair in Somerset, NJ). --Jonnybgoode44 (talk) 05:23, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

how come shaycarl doesn't have a page??
wellACE$MAKER (talk) 19:05, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Perhaps they don't fit the guidelines of notability? Spigot  Map  19:36, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Notoriety
I believe many of these personalities aren't popular enough for inclusion. I've been an avid youtube user since the website opened and many others would agree in all that time, most of these people have had one notable video and then faded after their fifteen minutes of fame were over. Somebody should really clean this page up and remove some of the less notable people. Many have no impact on modern day media. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.77.90.64 (talk) 16:43, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

If you read the notability guidelines it clearly states that notability is not temporary. "Notability is not temporary: once a topic has been the subject of "significant coverage" in accordance with the general notability guideline, it does not need to have ongoing coverage." Therefore it doesn't matter if they are no longer in the public eye, as long as they had been at one time. -CitizenofPanem (talk) 03:05, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Where is Zack Ryder?
Zack Ryder, a professional wrestler currently signed to WWE, has opened his weekly YouTube show called "Z! True Long Island Story" this year, and has gained a lot of popularity on YouTube and WWE too. He currently has posted 18 episodes of the show. But why is he not in the current list in Wikipedia! Are you serious, bro?!

Somebody should add him to the list real quick, or maybe I should do it myself.

Here is the YouTube link for Zack Ryder: www.youtube.com/LongIslandIcedZ

WWWYKI

Signed

SKBxD (talk) 14:09, 20 June 2011 (UTC) SKBxD
 * Being a notable personal and then getting a Youtube channel does not make one a Youtube personality. OhNo itsJamie Talk 14:23, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * He is already known for being a wrestler in the WWE. It's not like he was signed by the WWE after putting videos on YouTube.   Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 16:48, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Urvansh, 23 July 2011
Add Samuel Allred the cuppycake cake Sam!

Urvansh (talk) 13:58, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Not done, not notable, unless you can provide sources that say otherwise-- Jac 16888 Talk 13:59, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Julian Smith
Julian Smith even has his own article (sure it's sloppy, but still), but he's not on the list? The best reliable third party reference I could find is his résumé, but shouldn't that be enough? --Arkatox (talk) 21:58, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

BOWAworld?
i saw this channel(s) before when they had a ton of videos, now they look like there cleaning through footage creating a whole brand around youtube networks. I'd say the first to start with heavily branding on youtube ever.... Channels: BOWAworld, BOWAtv, BOWAkidz, BOWAcam, and then they have there own dedicated reality show, the channel is ThePotentialists
 * When you edit this page, you'll see a red triangle at the top with a blurb explaining what is required for new entries. OhNo itsJamie  Talk 17:04, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I am not finding anything the would make them notable for this list. Jnorton7558 (talk) 02:54, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 117.195.139.42, 11 August 2011
Chester see

117.195.139.42 (talk) 16:45, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Feezo (send a signal | watch the sky) 16:57, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Ncc1234, 18 August 2011
Toby turner(tobuscus) should be added to the list

Ncc1234 (talk) 12:10, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Bility (talk) 16:54, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Kenny Irwin aka dovetastic
No mention of dovetastic even though JPizzle1122 is mentioned? He has the ORIGINAL microwave show dating back to 2006 on YouTube. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.75.155.67 (talk) 13:08, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  So Why  22:20, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Rebecca Black
Someone should add http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_black to this list. 100.000.000 views on her music video "Friday" and mentioned in several news sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.191.216.213 (talk) 08:02, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * She does not regularly make videos for the sole purpose of putting them on Youtube. She is a singer with a record deal. Sir Brightypup II 00:27, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Ark Music Factory sole purpose is have these 13 year kids have a recording career where they generally wouldn't. It still makes sense to put her on the list as nobody would have know about her if her video wasn't on YouTube...   Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 05:26, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I have to agree. If it wasn't for YouTube, nobody would even know who she was. YouTube was what got her her real start. --Jonnybgoode44 (talk) 18:40, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Joeycosby, 14 September 2011
Joeycosby (talk) 01:38, 14 September 2011 (UTC) To add me cause im a youtuber to
 * ❌ unless you happen to be notable-- Jac 16888 Talk 01:45, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Lady Xeona
Hi, how about adding Lady in her channel ladyxeona. She's even in the news!


 * She might be notable per WP:BIO but I don't see how she fits on this list. This is a list of people who grown to prominence because of their appearance on videos hosted on YouTube, not people who are notable and then appeared on YouTube. The source just mentions YouTube in passing, there is nothing to verify that her prominence has anything to do with YouTube. Regards  So Why  13:46, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Idkmybffimaan, 24 September 2011
Alex Day also known as Nerimon is well-known vlogger in the UK, most known for his "Alex and Liam go to Walmart" video

Idkmybffimaan (talk) 05:24, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- MelbourneStar☆ (talk to me) 05:28, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Since the request has been answered, I have changed the template to show that. (I'm looking through CAT:ESP.) Dynamic&#124;cimanyD contact me ⁞ my edits 20:16, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

FPSRussia
Recently there has been a new show on YouTube called FPSRussia which is a Russian guy named Dmitri-something who posts videos about weapons. Most of his videos have over 1 million views and a handful have reached over 10 million views as of May 2011. Thought he would be notable enough to be added onto the list. 76.170.207.33 (talk) 08:41, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Views don't make a person notable. Without a third party source establishing notability, this person won't be added.   Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 09:10, 19 May 2011 (UTC)


 * @^^^ He's been on G4. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jewzilian (talk • contribs) 22:16, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * http://www.vkmag.com/magazine/fps_russia_test_vlammenwerper/

http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/03/watch_fps_russia_crazy_russian.php http://www.bogobogo.nl/weblogs/flabber/fps-russia-glock-17-explosive-ammo/ http://www.bkserv.net/YTS/YTTop100.aspx?p=2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.45.48.21 (talk) 15:41, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
 * No blog posts.  Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 17:01, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Coppercab
What about coppercab? He's the Ginger do have souls kid. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.251.118.204 (talk) 09:52, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

"Gingers Have Souls!!!!". Yeah he definitely should and an article! Willknowsalmosteverything

Dan brown, Rubiks Cube
The article says dan brown was a "Developer of the "Dan Brown Method" of solving a Rubik's Cube". However the method he teaches in his youtube videos appears to be the fridrich method. Unless anyone has evidence he did develop his own method, this should be changed. -- 00:43 BST 17/09/11 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.150.173.118 (talk) 23:43, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 12:58, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Really? Ok, so theres the wikipedia page on the Fridrich method, which i assume has its own reliable sources, and there is the video in which dan brown, after explaining notation and other stuff, teaches the fridrich method. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsQIoPyfQzM --- 00:20 BST 6/10/11 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.151.95.38 (talk) 23:21, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

anonymity
I noticed that some youtube users that are not on this list have more subscribers than some youtubers that are, but are not on this list. The example i noticed was thunderf00t (not on the list), who right now has more subscribers than vihart. Now, there may be other reasons users like thunderf00t cannot be included on this list, but if he were to be included, what would be put in the section entitled "user"? Since he hasnt published his real name (to my knowledge). just wondering. --- 00:35 BST 6/10/11 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.151.95.38 (talk) 23:35, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Tom Brier?
I wonder if Tom Brier should be included because of his ragtime videos. This is a playlist with some of his videos: Nineko (talk) 18:19, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Views are not a reason to put him on this list. We need reliable sources showing how he is notable before putting him on the list.   Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 05:52, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Mike Sutton
Mike Sutton (user name: buffalax) did not invent the "buffalaxing" but his user name is nowadays used as a "brand" for music videos with misheard lyrics and his videos had a high view number until they were removed (and re-posted). Does he not qualify for being included? 80.222.249.95 (talk) 10:23, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * TOBY TURNER is #28 all time and you say he isnt popular wth??????

http://www.youtube.com/channels?p=2&s=ms&gl=&t=a&g=0 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beagle bond (talk • contribs) 21:59, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It's about notability not popularity. Views and subscribers are not enough for inclusion on this list.  References such as new stories showing his notability is required.   Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 01:26, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

where's my Chad Warden
Chad Warden had one of the most viewed videos of all time at one point; yeah he deleted his account but the reuploads and reiterations/remixes are still popular and still solidify his status as YouTube personality almost definitively so anyway I just thought you should know that regardless of my feelings towards Chad Warden, this is a really bad Wikipedia article and I would not be against deleting it yours truly ***ANASTACIA "INTERNET THE INTERNET" SOULJAH*** — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.253.81 (talk) 00:24, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Views are not enough for inclusion on this list. If you red the requirements for this list, than you'd know that.  Provide a reference such as a new story showing his notability than he will be considered for inclusion.   Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 01:28, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from, 3 November 2011
Charles Green AKA The Angry Grandpa Show is a youtube star that has been featured on HLN's Dr. Drew show, TruTV, and MTV. His fanbase is expanding daily. He has hit the 5000 friend limit on facebook and has expanded over to twitter. The Angry Grandpa is filmed in is home by his son Michael, known as The Kid Behind The Camera.

LoriYost (talk) 13:24, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you have a reliable source for this to be listed? --Jnorton7558 (talk) 16:19, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from, 4 November 2011
charles green aka angry genadpa on youtube channel called TheAngryGrandpaShow. the show has has had 14,679,070 total Upload Views and he has 62,378 subscribes on youtube also has been due aired on UK tv channels Rude tube on channel 4 and Discovery channel in the UK. Angry Grandpa is a angry grandpa who has a short temper and he known to break and threw item in his household. he also is know to host live radio show on his website which is http://theangrygrandpashow.net/. I would like him to be added to into the list.

Bashar0151 (talk) 12:34, 4 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. His own website does not make him anymore notable than you claim him to be. -- MST  ☆  R   (Chat Me!) 12:45, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Jon Lajoie is missing
Jon Lajoie needs to be added. He has more than 100 Million hits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.76.224.208 (talk) 22:14, 30 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Insufficient reasons for change provided. Please remember that a high number of views and/or subscribers is not a valid reason for inclusion on this list.  So Why  22:21, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't be a robot, SoWhy: Jon Lajoie already has an article. Fences  &amp;  Windows  04:50, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from, 14 November 2011
Kandee Johnson is one of the first youtube celebrity makeup artists with over 600,000 channel subscribers. She has uploaded over 120,000 youtube videos. Kandee Johnson has worked for many famous celebrities predominantly in the Los Angeles area and has promoted several brands. Her website is http://www.kandeej.com/

Nicoletta Daskalakis (talk) 02:59, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Please remember that a high number of views and/or subscribers is not a valid reason for inclusion on this list. Jac 16888  Talk 03:09, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Yogscast?
Simon Lane and Lewis Brindley. Channel BlueXephos currently has 900,000 subscribers, and is among the fastest growing channels on YouTube (200,000 every 30 days). The channel is currently ranked #2 in the UK and is predicted to pass the #1 channel by the end of the month.

The duo hasn't produced a viral video, but they are solidly famous YouTube personalities, not gimmicks/flukes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.7.156.33 (talk) 22:55, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You need references show their notability. A high number of views/subscribers alone are not a reason to get them on the list.   Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 12:57, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Why the hell were Simon and Lewis removed?!? EGDE Magazine not a notable source nowadays? Forget the fact that it's one of the UK's most succesful gaming magazines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.25.13.55 (talk) 00:18, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Over million subscribers, interview on Edge Magazine and noticed by Mojang. Notch says he loves them. Why are they removed from the list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.210.145.13 (talk) 08:27, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Bring back Yogscast!! They should have their own article, they appeared as VIP guests at Gamescom as they are so well known and loved for Christs sake!! Willknowsalmosteverything — Preceding unsigned comment added by Willknowsalmosteverything (talk • contribs) 17:13, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

The thing about the Edge article is that it's an interview, therefore not a third party source and can not be used a reliable source because the content creators themselves (Simon and Lewis) are involved in the article and what gets said in it about them. Reliable sources are supposed to be independent of the subject so I can see why that would have been taken down. All I can find on the topic that's really relevant is this article from PC Gamer: http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/06/24/yogscast-try-out-minecrafts-quirkiest-mod-maps/ but it's very brief and I don't know if it really counts as a source or not. CitizenofPanem (talk) 04:16, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Oh, but they've had large, non-interview articles about them in EDGE and PC Gamer recently due to the short lived fallout with Notch (the minecraft guy) that happened shortly after Minecon 2011. Surely these as sources, along with their millions of subscribers as evidence of their popularity, constitutes for at least a mention in this article..I mean they were on the panel at minecon infront of 5000 people and as I mentioned earlier; were invited as the minecraft promoters at gamescom Willknowsalmosteverything (talk) 18:08, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Request regarding CardGamesFTW
I know Martin Billany is on the list, but shouldn't he have his own page? All the others do, and he has 75,453,236 views on his videos. That alone makes him deserve his own page.


 * Views don't make someone notable. If you want a page on him, than start a subpage on your userpage until you get it up to standard, than move to article space.   Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 19:23, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from, 26 November 2011
quite a few artists are missing, like EpicMealTime, BlameTruth, BlueXephos, UberHaxorNova,

75.200.78.26 (talk) 06:45, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. There are several notices stating only artists who have received significant coverage in one or more reliable sources can be included. Feel free to request again, with sources. Zidanie5 (talk) 19:06, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request reagrding Dragonborn Comes, 5 December 2011
First, I apologize I'm new to this, but you may disregard this request if it's not enough. Just thought I'd throw this up.

Judith de los Santos created a rendition of Jeremy Soule's "Dragonborm Comes" for the game Skyrim. She has received 1mil+ views plus coverage on these domains in a week:

12/2/2011 First embedded on – kotaku.com 12/1/2011 First embedded on – ign.com 12/1/2011 First embedded on – gamestar.de

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z9TdDCWN7g - video http://www.youtube.com/user/malufenix?feature=watch - User's channel


 * This is not done as we need an article stating how is notable outside of YouTube. All they are doing is just embeding a video from YouTube.  A new article is needed.   Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 04:01, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Ray William Johnson
Ray William Johnson has three channels. All three channels are in the Top 100 Most Subscribed Channels list.


 * 1) RayWilliamJohnson (Equals Three, =3)
 * 2) Yourfavoritemartian (Band, Your Favorite Martian)
 * 3) BreakingNYC (Vlog, BreakingNYC/BreakingLA) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MonsterSpooon (talk • contribs) 00:24, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Alphabetizing List
Would it make sense and make it easier to rifle through the list if it was alphabetized? I've been thinking about this for eons and wanted to get a consensus to see if it is worth doing. Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 04:09, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, isn't it already? -- MST  ☆  R   (Merry Christmas!) 04:12, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I guess I wasn't clear... Instead of one long list, break it up into sections so we don't have to rifle through a myriad of names listed to find the exact spot to add another entry.  Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 04:26, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * So you mean like each letter is it's own section? If so, Agreed. -- MST  ☆  R   (Merry Christmas!) 04:28, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I also agree, if you have the time and energy to do it. We won't need a separate section for each letter but maybe for certain ranges (e.g. 0-9, A-F, G-L, M-R, S-Z). If you go with one section per letter, remember to replace the TOC with CompactTOC2. Regards  So Why  23:27, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the support. Either way I do it, it seems better than one big long list. It will be less time consuming to rifle through. Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 04:01, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It is done. Anything I missed, which I did and was fixed, you can go ahead and do it.   Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 05:28, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 30 December 2011
Please add Hannah Hart to your YouTube personalities article. She is the creator of My Drunk Kitchen and also occasionally posts a vlog or an advice from the Hart segment. Hartoandco.com

208.54.44.224 (talk) 23:09, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jac 16888  Talk 23:12, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Add Tobuscus(review below sources for entry to list)
STOP IGNORING MY REQUEST I HAVE PMD ALMOST EVERY ADMN. WITH NO ANSWER. If it is enough to add him to the list do so, if it is not say why.Do your dang job I have had this up for months with no reply. And read the whole thing it has multiple sources citing reasons other than subscribers for his entry on this list.

I need to know if the sources I provide are credible and warrant an add on to the list. I hope you guys don't mind but i'm starting a separate Toby Turner edit request because that one is so highly congested unless someone wants to clear it up. According to youtube is the number #27th most subscribed all time on his Tobuscus Channel. He has 1,377,545,Subscribers. Citation from youtube:http://www.youtube.com/channels?p=2&s=ms&gl=&t=a&g=0 He currently has more subscribers than RhettandLink,xBextahx,brownmarkfilms,etc. who are on this list. I know its not enough that he has 3 channels with each video getting from hundred of thousands to multiple millions of views apparently? He also got a gamestop commercial on live tv. Your telling me that being on tv and having more subscribers than a lot of these people makes him not notable?Please can somone here give me a better argument than I don't like him? He should be added asap.The source is YouTube which is highly reliable if that is not enough he has even more credentials on IMDb http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3333977/ He has really become popular among gamers and vlog watchers and is notable for the reasons mentioned above for more reasons than just viewership. His videos have even been hosted by major sites like ign http://www.ign.com/videos/2011/06/24/assassins-creed-revelations-literal-trailer NEWS STORY reliable source: business insider lists Toby due to his cute win fail series as the number 2 youtube rising star for 2011. http://www.businessinsider.com/rising-youtube-stars-2011-1#2-cute-win-fail-13   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicks king (talk • contribs) 02:06, 9 November 2011 (UTC)


 * You have yet to provide multiple reliable sources indicating how the subject meets notability criteria. Until you do that, the entry will not be added, period. OhNo itsJamie Talk 21:08, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

He has provided three different sources there from very reliable sites. Why does this not qualify? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.2.105.166 (talk) 15:42, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

KassemG
Is this good enough to make KassemG notable?

References: NyTimes: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/11/business/media/11youtube.html?pagewanted=all Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelhumphrey/2011/12/28/interviewing-kassemg-about-youtube-adult-actresses-and-interviewing/ 84.215.83.48 (talk) 19:56, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Wykop.pl
Wykop.pl is notable for it's viral videos criticising Pope John Paul II — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.193.242.217 (talk) 15:08, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Eli Porter?
This notion of controversy is what's keeping me from saying "I deed it" when it comes to adding him. (all kidding aside, a quick search does reveal the possibility of the existence of RSes - the lack of certainty on my part is due to the need to leave soon to go perform paying work rather than continue to fuck around on here)RadioKAOS (talk) 03:36, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Tobuscus?
28th most subscribed all time: (citation of popularity). He's more popular than half of these YouTubers. Bwastphemy! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.87.108.12 (talk) 04:01, 6 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Popular is not the same thing as notable perhaps if you read the notability guidelines and find some reliable third party sources defending his notability he can be added to the list, but being popular alone is not grounds for inclusion. - CitizenofPanem (talk) 15:41, 13 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Well he has over 1 million subscribers and was also the main interviwer of Ubisoft in the E3 2011. He made the "Literal Trailers" of games like Assassin's Creed or Dead Space and movies like Pirates of the Caribbean: On stranger tides and Tron Legacy. Some of his videos are sponsored by companies like Mountain Dew and Wonderful Pistachios. I think these achievements make him worth of getting into this list and also of getting a wikipedia article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.207.153.12 (talk) 00:21, 23 July 2011 (UTC)


 * We've had this argument on here more than enough times. I think Toby should be an exception and be let on the list, because it's true, it's freaking hard to be on YouTube and not know about him. He's done advertising for a gazillion different products and companies, he's a partner with Ubisoft and does a freaking ton of interviews with him, he's just... everyone knows about him! --Arkatox (talk) 21:44, 3 August 2011 (UTC)


 * This article says nothing about notable Youtubers only. Just celebrities. And what makes Toby less notable than, say, Katers17? She's one of my favorites but she's nothing at all special. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.87.108.12 (talk) 03:03, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Toby Turner not notable? Have you been living under a rock? Toby Turner is every bit as notable as Craig, Kate and Cory, all of which I'm subscribed to. Sure, Cory did the Mean Kitty Song, but Toby does similar things except in the form of trailer parodies. He has four different regularly updated channels all with a combined subscriber count of over 1.7 million. Tobuscus with 1 million subs, TobyTurner and TobyGames both with over 300,000, and CuteWinFail which has 100,000. His videos appeared in places other than Youtube, he's partnered with Ubisoft, nearly everyone on Youtube knows who he is, and you say he's not notable? What kind of backwards, 2-bit mentality is "Popularity =/= notability?" The reason why these Youtube personalities are notable is BECAUSE they're popular. What, is it because he doesn't have a news article mentioning him? What a black and white, mechanical, shallow presumption. I'm genuinely offended. SkaarjGuy (talk) 06:41, 19 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I would just like to say, I agree wholly and heartily with SkaarjGuy. I know people who aren't even regular visitors to YouTube who have heard of and seen Tobuscus' videos. Saying Tobuscus is not a YouTube Celebrity is like saying Johnny Depp isn't an Actor Celebrity. Seriously, he's that big on YouTube. --Arkatox (talk) 00:37, 4 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Look, It really does not matter what you think of him personally, in order for him to be added to the list you have to provide at least one reliable source which gives significant evidence as to why he is notable. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, it's editors have to remain unbiased on the topics they are writing about, so I can not add him to the list because you think he deserves it, that kind of frivolous editing is what makes people distrust Wikipedia. I'm not saying that he is not notable in fact I mostly agree that he is but that is not the point, you have no sources to back up his notability, there is no proof, and so we cannot post it. You are all free to look for sources to back up your opinion but as of now he cannot be added to the list. I hope that clears things up. CitizenofPanem (talk) 22:56, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Toby was just hired by Gamestop to do a TV Spot for Assassin's Creed: Revelations. Apparently he must be pretty notable if Gamestop, a massive game distributor company, took notice of him. I say add him now. SkaarjGuy (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.178.5.210 (talk) 13:59, 23 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Add him now please, he has thousands of videos with millions of views. He recently got onto a gamestop commercial. He has 3 channels offering a diversity of tons of videos. The fact that people here say he's not popular enough is bogus. TobyTurner channel:#6 - Most Subscribed (All Time) - Reporters.Tobuscus channel:#28 - Most Subscribed (All Time).Whats he got to do make a video of himself marching in a parade with the leaders of the world while breaking every record in guineas. Come on ad him you cant not add him because you dont like him CitizenofPanem.Otherwise i'll do it in horrible formatting because I dont know how to. http://www.youtube.com/channels?p=1&s=ms&gl=&t=a&g=3 #11 all time director, http://www.youtube.com/channels?p=2&s=ms&gl=&t=a&g=0 #28 subscribed all time,that citation enough for you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beagle bond (talk • contribs) 00:11, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

We need reliable sources (i.e. news sources) that discuss him to a reasonable extent, just like everyone else that is on this list. "Popularity" doesn't mean anything. This isn't a list of the most popular Youtubers, it is a list of Youtube "personalities", people that the media has noticed and commented on. Find some sort of reliable source that discusses Tobuscus and he will be added, as simple as that. Silver seren C 23:00, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Son of a female duck! I come back here after how much time and Tobuscus still hasn't been added? You apparently don't seem to know much about Tobuscus yourselves, moderators. I'm just saying that. --Arkatox (talk) 17:54, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

He was on E news as an interviewer for call of duty modern warfare 3. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.2.105.166 (talk) 20:40, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
 * We have yet to have a reliable source provided for this potential entry. Find one and he will be added.  Simple as that.   Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 16:54, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

He got added!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.2.105.166 (talk) 21:26, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

http://www.forbes.com/sites/haydnshaughnessy/2012/01/19/tim-tebow-and-the-growth-of-spreadshirts-apparel-business/ < - A good reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.29.61.53 (talk) 02:57, 23 January 2012 (UTC)