Talk:List of YouTubers/Archive 9

Semi-protected edit request on 14 November 2014
AmazingPhil

94.209.173.29 (talk) 12:20, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
 * ❌: already in the article as Phil Lester, under section P. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 15:39, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 November 2014
Add Yves Bole

87.14.234.236 (talk) 17:42, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

This article has specific criteria - as stated above:-
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: as you have not cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article.

- Arjayay (talk) 17:55, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * All new entries must be for artists who have received significant coverage in one or more reliable sources.
 * A high number of views alone (i.e. without such sources) is not sufficient reason to add an artist to the list.
 * The number of subscribers itself is not a relevant reason to include an artist.

Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2014
Could you put PJ Liguori in the well known YouTubers list? I do love PJ, and he is an amazing and pretty well known YouTuber.

85.166.81.128 (talk) 16:21, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * ❌: subject does not appear to be notable. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 16:38, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2014
Add in Willam Belli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willam_Belli established drag queen with plenty of notable viral YouTube videos.(https://www.youtube.com/user/noextrai)

KyleMatty (talk) 22:16, 6 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: -The list is for people and groups who are popular because of their videos on YouTube. William Belli doesn't qualify in here being an actor, drag queen, and recording artist. Anupmehra  - Let's talk!  03:34, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Joey Graceffa
Someone ought to do an article on him -- he's got more than 4 million subscribers, and he was nominated for 2 2014 Teen Choice Awards. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:03, 5 November 2014 (UTC)


 * It turns out that there is an article on Joseph Graceffa. There needs to be a redirect at Joey Graceffa, but it seems to be blocked. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:04, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

VEVO channels in "by subscribers" section
I've mentioned this before, but I bring it back up because I see that VEVO channels are once again added to the "by subscribers" section. VEVO channels are not maintained (and perhaps not even monitored) by the artists who are in their videos. These channels do not have a defined personality since they are run by companies. Furthermore, artists with videos on VEVO channels don't fit into the youtube community as the others in the list do. Since this page is meant to be a list of youtube personalities, shouldn't it be free of non-personality channels?  Event horizon51  (talk) 05:32, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 December 2014
1.121.154.58 (talk) 03:50, 28 December 2014 (UTC) i would like to add logan owen who is also a youtuber who i believe deserves to be on this list
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The list is for people and groups who are popular because of their videos on YouTube. Logan Owen has no indication of being a notable enough topic in the field of youtube to be on the list. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 04:39, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 December 2014
Lisa Schwartz

2602:306:B82E:E190:5D3E:B744:8C8F:12A2 (talk) 19:51, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 30 December 2014
lisa her channel is lisbug she does girly gaming and funny video

23.251.187.59 (talk) 19:51, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 30 December 2014
Add Lisa Schwartz, channel name 'lisbug', to the list as she has over 1.3 million subscribers.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9M60NiMsUnSrXg24-GXHCA

83.100.183.218 (talk) 20:06, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 30 December 2014
100.1.169.182 (talk) 20:21, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 30 December 2014
add Lisa Schwartz channel: lisbug notes: girlfriend of Shane Dawson plays games and challenges on her channel.

Groot rob (talk) 22:19, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. I seriously think this nonsense had to have been organized outside. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 22:41, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2014
Lisa Schwartz (Lisbug)

Tumblr Hipster Girl (talk) 00:31, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 00:50, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2014
Add Lisa Schwartz aka Lisbug

24.73.30.212 (talk) 00:42, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
 * ❌ see above. Cannolis (talk) 00:51, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Lisa Schwartz
If you're going to request to add this individual or any other individual to this list, please read Wikipedia's policies on sourcing and notability first. Eight requests in less than 24 hours for the same individual with no sources provided is getting absurd. Cannolis (talk) 00:58, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 December 2014
Add Lisa Schwartz to the list

User: Lisa Schwartz Channel: lisbug Notes: Lisa Schwartz, AKA Lisbug, is one of the funniest women on YouTube. Her vlog is engaging and interactive. If you don’t know Lisbug, you are missing out. Each video features the enigmatic personality of the YouTube star. References: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2741657/

ChaseVoid (talk) 20:55, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Also, the marketing lingo? Yeah. Nonsense. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 21:25, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Agree, if this continues for more than a day or two, going to request temporary protection of the talk page as this is just a waste of time. She may have made some sort of request to her fanbase, which, admittedly seems reasonably large, I just can find any RS about her. Cannolis (talk) 00:59, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 January 2015
Aamar - Comedian

69.132.137.231 (talk) 20:48, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2015
bendeoreo

Bendeoreo (talk) 02:05, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 10 January 2015
Lisa Schwartz Comedy and Entertainment    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9M60NiMsUnSrXg24-GXHCA

Daddytech (talk) 05:48, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 11 January 2015
SoEpiclyJonas2  SoEpiclyJonas2

2601:1:9680:406:945F:14F7:F5DC:5FA5 (talk) 06:56, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 23 January 2015
Ryan Letourneau (YouTube gaming commentator, comedian, most subscribed egg on YouTube)–

156.34.166.42 (talk) 01:09, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Only notable youtube personalities may be included on this list. This usually means they require a Wikipedia article first, or receive signficant coverage in reliable secondary sources. Stickee (talk) 01:22, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2015
Please add http://www.twinfinite.net/2015/01/26/nerdcubed-is-challenging-steam-with-his-epic-idea/ to the entry on Daniel Hardcastle. 104.245.146.2 (talk) 11:23, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done -- Sam Sing! 13:19, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Jack?
Someone should do an article on jacksepticeye as well. I cannot adjust semi-protected pages so I cant.77.232.173.164 (talk) 13:33, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2015
Matthew Patrick

74.83.227.230 (talk) 20:58, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * ❌: Matthew Patrick does not appear to be a notable person. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 21:22, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 February 2015
Byr0n Garcia	officialbabywolfey	YouTube Vlogger, Teen Photographer, and Graphic Designer.

Babywolfey (talk) 02:06, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Also it's really bad form to nominate yourself. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 02:10, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —  02:23, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Reference threshold for inclusion?
I see the edit notice has some specific requirements for someone to be listed here. What's less clear is what constitutes sufficient reliable sourcing to include someone who does not have a Wikipedia article.

Personally, I'm almost always against including those not notable enough for a WP article so long as there are sufficient subjects with Wikipedia articles to justify a stand-alone list (and there's no shortage here). The usual exception, if any, for those without articles is typically if the person is notable but does not yet have an article (i.e. either they could have an article that wouldn't be deleted on WP:N grounds or they are notable but don't merit a stand-alone article).

Many of those without articles in this list are sourced to e.g. CNN, Forbes, and other top tier sources such that they could be seen as notable. Others do not. Just going down the list, for example, the first one with only one source and no article is SkyDoesMineCraft. The lone source, a Joystiq article is only a brief mention. Only a little bit better is Daniel Hardcastle, with one decent ref and one brief mention that I still wouldn't consider sufficient.

...But I know this topic has been belabored a number of times, so perhaps what I'm asking is for what the consensus is on this question and when is it ok to remove a name from the list? --&mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 22:18, 9 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Surprised not to get any responses to this. I just ran through the list looking at those entries which don't have Wikipedia articles and removed those with very poor sourcing such that there's clearly no claim to notability. I feel like I was conservative in this regard and certainly wouldn't object, as with most lists on Wikipedia, if someone else wanted to remove all entries that don't have articles per WP:CSC. Also did some formatting and reduced the size of the otherwise obnoxiously large Yogscast table row. --&mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 19:49, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 February 2015
Chester See: YouTube personality, musician, actor (Camp Takota) channels: Chester See, chestersee

65.93.161.18 (talk) 20:10, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 20:21, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

RfC: VEVO channels in "by subscribers" section
I'm starting a new section with an RfC because it seems like no one really cares to respond to anything on this talk page. As I said above, VEVO channels are not maintained (and perhaps not even monitored) by the artists who are in their videos. These channels do not have a defined personality since they are run by companies. Furthermore, artists with videos on VEVO channels don't fit into the youtube community as the others in the list do. Since this page is meant to be a list of youtube personalities, shouldn't the "by subscribers" section be free of non-personality channels?  Event horizon51  (talk) 02:33, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I say get rid of the "by subscribers" list altogether (on this page, that is). It's awkwardly tacked on and already has its own article. It's ideal for a see also link. That it includes names that are not on the bigger list of personalities (i.e. this article) indicates that it isn't even a subset of this list but rather of a list of youtube channels and thus even more awkward. Just coming from a good encyclopedic listmaking perspective (i.e. not interested in evaluating how well people fit into the youtube community, nor who runs a particular account), I say cut it. --&mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 04:31, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I think I would agree with that. Now that you mention it, the way the by subscriber list is presented on this page is indeed a bit awkward. It's not very noteworthy in the context of this article and there is a whole separate page for that. Removing it would definitely clean this page up a bit.  Event horizon51  (talk) 00:06, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Given this RfC appears to be due to lack of responses to your initial comments about this subject (rather than due to disagreement from others), and because this seems like a pretty solid move in terms of policy/guideline precedent (MOS in particular), I'm going to go ahead and boldly remove the section as both improper and unnecessary. As I am operating under the assumption that this is not controversial, I'd invite anyone who disagrees to go ahead and revert. --&mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 05:09, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Agree to exclude That is correct, VEVO are corporate entities, not personalities -- corporations are not people despite what corporations and their right wing pro-fascism political puppets would like to pretend. Remember, Wikipedia is supposed to be encyclopedic, and the word "personality" refers to living animals. VEVO is not a living creature, and as you noted, it is an advertising propaganda media for a corporation, ergo it should be excluded. Damotclese (talk) 16:52, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Exclude If nothing else give it the ole chop chop. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 17:04, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak Exclude I tend to agree, but a separate article dedicated to a list of Vevo channels might be desirable, and could be linked with a brief explanation. Wwwhatsup (talk) 23:44, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Exclude Vevo is not a personality. Simple enough. Willhesucceed (talk) 13:30, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 February 2015
please add munching orange aka ariel he has over 600,00 subs and needs to be better known

109.146.59.48 (talk) 20:27, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

❌ as it clearly states just above where you typed your request:-
 * All new entries must be for artists who have received significant coverage in one or more reliable sources.


 * A high number of views alone (i.e. without such sources) is not sufficient reason to add an artist to the list.
 * The number of subscribers itself is not a relevant reason to include an artist. - Arjayay (talk) 12:59, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Munching iarnge and Gametheory
"Munchingorange and Gametheorists aka MathewPatric and Gajgin Goomba and Trailer jake."

109.146.59.48 (talk) 20:30, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

❌ as explained above - Arjayay (talk) 13:01, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 February 2015
Lisa Schwartz Channel: lisbug Notes: comedian, gamer, colab

96.30.136.235 (talk) 23:08, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

❌ as it clearly states just above where you typed your request:-
 * All new entries must be for artists who have received significant coverage in one or more reliable sources.


 * A high number of views alone (i.e. without such sources) is not sufficient reason to add an artist to the list.
 * The number of subscribers itself is not a relevant reason to include an artist. - Arjayay (talk) 13:01, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Raising the Threshold
The list feels like it is becoming bloated. I'm wondering if it is a good idea to raise the threshold of inclusion from having a reliable source to having an actual article. Anybody's thoughts? Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 20:35, 18 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I fully agree, Zero Serenity an article on the English Wikipedia should be required for all entries.
 * This has been discussed before, but the list is increasingly being padded-out with non-notable "fancruft" entries, often added by a fan, or even the "personality"(sic) themselves.
 * As the current inclusion criteria were set by an RFC here, it will need another RFC to agree changes to the consensus. - Arjayay (talk) 13:24, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 February 2015
Request for adding Anthony Vincent, known on YouTube as TenSecondSongs and AnthonyVincentMusic. Sources include this article from Rolling Stone, this interview with Billboard and this video interview and text article from CBS Local News. 86.27.181.49 (talk) 16:28, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 March 2015
Please add Daniel  DanTheUnboxingKid  A British little boy who does "unboxing videos" best known for eating sweets inside the package and pulling a face.

90.204.157.165 (talk) 21:03, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. —  22:18, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 March 2015
{{ Roi john02 (talk) 12:28, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Copypaste of entire article removed As it clearly states in the instructions to submit an edit request:- "Please don't copy the entire article into the request. Only copy the part you're changing. If you copy the entire article into the request, you'll break navigation on the talk page, and another editor may remove your entire request." This is not a "spot the difference competition" If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ". Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 12:33, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6th March 2015
Request to add TeamFourStar to the list. Members of this channel include Lawrence Simpson (MasakoX), Curtis Arnott (Takahata101), Nick Landis (Lanipator) and Scott Frerichs (KaiserNeko). They're known for creating a parody of Dragonball Z known as Dragonball Z: The Abridged Series (similar to Martin Billany's series parodying Yu-Gi-Oh!). Scott, Nick and Curtis have gained particular notoriety for this series, with various voice acting castings as a direct result of the series. Of particular note is Curtis' appearance in Dragon Ball XenoVerse, reusing the voice of Nappa from the parody series along with references to it. Other notable roles in the group include the English dubbed version of the anime The Ambition of Oda Nobuna (Scott and Nick) and Dust: An Elysian Tale (Curtis). There is an article about Curtis' appearance in DBX here. 86.27.181.49 (talk) 01:28, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 March 2015
Chnage: Video game playthroughs and commentary. He is also known for a web-series named Drunk Minecraft. Mark currently has over 1.8 million subscribers, and over 390 million video views. To: Video game playthroughs and commentary. He is also known for a web-series named Drunk Minecraft. Mark currently has over 6 million subscribers, and over 1 billion video views.

StormCrow1770 (talk) 21:35, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Stickee (talk) 22:26, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Matthew Santoro
Matthew Santoro a new, upcoming, celebrity YouTube star from Ontario Canada. Little is known about his biography, but he is known for his video lists, such as "10 CREEPY Urban Legends That Turned Out To Be TRUE!" or "10 MYTHICAL Creatures That Actually EXISTED!", etc. He has more than 3 million subscribers. He currently has three channels, the third of which has yet to be used. He was nominated for YouTube star of the year, March 2nd of this year.

Here are some of his videos:

10 Terrifying Serial Killers (Who Are Free Right Now!)

The 10 Most Notorious Hackers of All Time!

The 10 Weirdest Dinosaurs You Never Knew Existed

10 Creepy Urban Legends That Turned Out to Be True!

His main channel can be accessed here.

Retrieved April 10 2015

Retrieved April 10 2015

Retrieved April 10 2015

Retrieved April 10 2015.

JusticeBetweenGods (talk) 19:05, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 20:17, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Booktubers
Why aren't booktubers added on this list? Some of them have met well-known writers and make amazing book reviews. One example is Christine Riccio but there are many more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saidaj (talk • contribs) 04:20, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 March 2015
User : Alfie deyes (Pointlessblog,PontlessBlogTV,PointlessBlogGames)

British lifestyle vlogger

83.245.236.145 (talk) 15:27, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. —  17:50, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 March 2015
I would like to add Keith Hughes (historian) as a Youtube Personality. Reason is that he hosts an award-winning educational channel that focuses on government, politics and history that is seen in classrooms all over the world.

Because of his YouTube channel he has crossed over to Television in two separate series. Additionally I am also building his Wiki page and I'd like to have both link back to each other. To be honest this is my first edit request, so I am not exactly sure if I am just asking permission before editing or I should give my code? Thanks!

Chaslage (talk) 06:57, 28 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 07:51, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Addition of 6.5 Guys to list of YouTube personalities
Hello,

I am new to Wikipedia so thank you in advance for your patience as I make my first suggestion.

I would like to add 6.5 Guys to the list of YouTube personalities. The channel can be found here:

The channel contains 63 videos that focus on the sport of long range precision shooting. Here's a description:

"6.5 Guys chronicles the journey of two middle aged men in the Pacific Northwest as we strive for excellence in our chosen sport of precision long range shooting. While working our day jobs and providing for our families, we want to see how far we can take our pursuit with a bit of concerted effort. You will observe first hand as we figure out what works and doesn’t work for us."

Edmobley3 (talk) 21:21, 2 April 2015 (UTC)Ed
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. We need news articles at the least, an actual Wikipedia article at best. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 00:35, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 April 2015
Put the Sacconejoly's on the list please

2.98.111.15 (talk) 19:48, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. See the declined request above Cannolis (talk) 19:53, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Activity Threshold?
There appears to be a number of YouTube users on here that are only known for one viral video years ago, but have had limited interaction with their audience/haven't produced any valuable content since then. Seriously, is there any specific need for the one-hit-wonders like Laughing Baby or even Samwell on here? They may have culturally significant viral videos, but are they really to be held on the same level as people like PewDiePie who churn out new content every week? I think a one-year date of publication threshold should be implemented for the sources. Anyone else can just have their own article exemplifying them, if they're even that noteable. -- Molandfreak  (talk,   contribs,  email) 08:50, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

I think I agree... unless the one time viral video star is a founder of a specific type of new genre of content. If that's the case maybe they can be added to a different type of article. Maybe genre types on the actual youtube article? I just looked at this article and creator adam buckley had his article removed, should he still be featured on this list of youtube personalities if other editors voted to remove his page?Gbklyn (talk) 18:58, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2015
I think that David Spencer should be added to this list, he is a Minecraft Commentator and makes other types of videos. His youtube name is iBallisticSquid and he is friends with Joseph Garrett (Mr. Stampy Cat / stampylongnose / stampylonghead) and they regularly make videos together.

86.173.80.101 (talk) 16:12, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 16:48, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 April 2015
I would like to make a request to add more You Tubers to the list which is current. Although this page does include a variety of You Tubers, I believe that it is still missing some very good ones. If you continue and are willing to include the You Tubers that i suggest, here they are: .iisuperwomanii .JoshuaDtv .Chris ballinger .RomanAtwood which also has a vlogging channel (RomanAtwoodVlogs) .Rachell Ballinger Thankyou, for taking time to read my suggestions.

Deniseign (talk) 15:29, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 6 May 2015
I think TheDiamondMinecart should be added to this list. He makes only Minecraft videos. Reason: see his channel at https://www.youtube.com/user/TheDiamondMinecart/featured. Note the 6 million subscribers and the amount of views even his most recent videos have.

69.132.185.65 (talk) 02:12, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 04:28, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 May 2015
Please, can I add Daniel Middleton to the list? Please answer if you see this

180.191.146.210 (talk) 10:18, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. It's noted that an article for Daniel Middleton was previously created and was deleted via this discussion Cannolis (talk) 13:24, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2015
User = Ryan Letourneau Channel = Northernlion Notes = A Canadian let's player well known for playing dungeon crawlers such as The Binding of Isaac and Nuclear Throne.. Reference = http://www.polygon.com/2014/3/21/5531786/youtube-northernlion-advice-indie-devs-succeed

RandoomJD (talk) 16:14, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Only notable youtube personalities may be included on this list. This usually means they require a Wikipedia article first, or receive signficant coverage in reliable secondary sources. Stickee (talk) 01:38, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 June 2015
I was wondering is there any chance of you adding more Youtube personalities to this list such as Davey Wavey & more! :) we would really love it if you could add new Youtube personalities to the list,Please :) 2602:306:8342:87C0:E036:7056:2F86:C850 (talk) 02:58, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 05:12, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 June 2015
The right column for Brady Haran should read "Journalist." He being an educator isn't incorrect, but even his own Wikipedia page lists him as being a videojournalist. Most of his work is him filming various scientists and scholars discussing science-related things. Brady doesn't do much of the actual educating. Markrobertgould (talk) 22:26, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Markrobertgould (talk) 22:26, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Independent sources used at Brady Haran predominantly describe him as a "journalist" or "video journalist", though the "video" bit is probably superfluous when we're talking about YouTube. Agreed and Yes check.svg Done.  Thanks, Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 12:55, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Blue-linked people only?
Shouldn't this list consist of blue-linked people only? -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:42, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 July 2015
You really need to add Georgie Aldous to this list, he has been in so many Newspapers and is popular on YouTube, why isn't he on here? You can see all the places he's been written about here.

86.16.65.102 (talk) 17:49, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done. In future, it would have made this request go much faster if you had pointed out that he already has his own article here. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 21:27, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 July 2015
add LinusTechTips on YouTube Personalities

TheCreeperAssassin (talk) 11:35, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. No evidence of notability has been provided. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 21:29, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Errors in the article and little relevance
I see that there is little relevance in some youtubers shown here and some mistakes both in its channel name and description — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.193.82.141 (talk) 20:35, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Which errors and which YouTubers were you talking about, specifically? – Zumoarirodoka(talk)(email) 21:05, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

SuperMarioLogan
Logan should be listed. He's very popular and verified. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 13Mike2002 (talk • contribs) 01:01, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Move page → "List of YouTubers"?
(Same goes for Category:YouTube personalities and Category:LGBT YouTube personalities).

Isn't "YouTubers" more of a common name to use than "YouTube personalities", and therefore a more appropriate title for this article? – Zumoarirodoka(talk)(email) 21:26, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm going to assume silent consensus and move page(s). – Zumoarirodoka(talk)(email) 14:55, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 August 2015
add Casey Neistat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_Neistat) to list

Luke dj (talk) 15:51, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅, as he has his own Wikipedia page, as linked above (although some more references on his article and this one would be good). Also added Neistat to Category:YouTubers accordingly. – Zumoarirodoka(talk)(email) 18:03, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2015
stampylongnose and stampylonghead and iballisticsquid only reason I knew these youtubers was cause my frind likes his videos

101.183.111.235 (talk) 09:18, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * What do you want done? Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 09:49, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * ❌ as you have not explained why you think they should be included - nor cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 13:53, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Streamy Awards
Can anyone update this article? Happy editing! -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:16, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2015
I request you add Mohammad Zeyara

Barwazt (talk) 23:10, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 23:25, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 September 2015
luke cutforth lukeisnotsey

Qwertylollipop (talk) 18:21, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 18:33, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 September 2015
You should list some famous Youtubers.

DoctorWhoLover11 (talk) 21:28, 21 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Which ones? —C.Fred (talk) 21:32, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 September 2015
I am requesting to add Youtuber BradTheLadLong to the list. He is probably one of the most controversial Youtubers of all time for being linked to scandals and stories and has been in the press rumoured for shows like Celebrity Big Brother, I'm A Celebrity and other reality shows. He has been linked to a lot of scandals such as the notorious 'Dress Debate'. and the live proposal on Coronation Street. He was all over the UK press when he slated soap opera EastEnders as 'fake and scripted.'

Public feuds, one of which with fellow rumoured Celebrity Big Brother contestant Tila Tequila where he accused her of threatening to beat him with a pipe.

86.152.146.147 (talk) 13:25, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Kharkiv07  ( T ) 18:44, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 October 2015
I request you add Muhammad Zeyara because he is a verry known youtuber. Here i209.6.189.42 (talk) 21:16, 1 October 2015 (UTC)#muhammad Zeyarra

209.6.189.42 (talk) 21:16, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 01:10, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 October 2015
Creeperpills Pewdiepie Tobuscus Cryotic Cinnamon toast Ken Mathew santoro Thoughty2

Trentsta12345 (talk) 14:31, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 15:16, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 October 2015
208.108.122.245 (talk) 14:58, 21 October 2015 (UTC) Twaimz or Issa He is very funny More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 15:37, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".

Semi-protected edit request on 23 October 2015
Please add this youtuber to the category C Name- Ciara Rodriguez Channel- Pink Savage Notes- Gaming Channel, Mostly on XBOX link to her channel- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwgeWYFeS8C6R4wJxjsbZ2A

Kate 11 lucky (talk) 14:42, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. She has 32 subscribers. Cannolis (talk) 14:48, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 October 2015
I would like to ask if James Martinez (ClashJTM) could be added to the list of YouTubers. We are currently still in the process of adding more information to his page but I would like if we could make him more visible as his channel is still growing. Thanks for your time! Michaelpalacio5 (talk) 07:49, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Michaelpalacio5 (talk) 07:49, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. his page also seems up for speedy deletion, and I see no reliable sources cited there Cannolis (talk) 07:58, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2015
I want to add Melvin Chizzy an African young entertainer

Melvin Chizzy (talk) 00:39, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Also given your username, I suggest you read WP:COI Cannolis (talk) 00:50, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 November 2015
You should add George "Joji" Miller, who is DizastaMusic, TooDamnFilthy, and TVFilthyFrank.

2601:54A:202:83A1:DDB8:88EB:7990:D108 (talk) 03:25, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. See above. Cannolis (talk) 04:26, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Turkish gamers
Few of them should be added I think. (Such as Burak Oyunda, Videoyun, Pintipanda, AgunZagun etc.) OnurT 17:34, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 November 2015
I suggest you add the group Venturiantale

2600:1004:B117:1BDB:52C:A594:CE47:BEE2 (talk) 01:01, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: This is only for YouTubers with a Wikipedia article. Stickee (talk) 04:23, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 November 2015
Hi, my name is Jake Jurin and I am a growing youtuber with the aim of reaching out to as many people as possible. I was wondering if you would possibly feature be on your list of youtubers? My channel is Jakey Jurin and I am a vlogger and I talk about issues, the latest trends etc on my channel. Thank you, Jake Jurin. youtube.com/jakeyjurin

5.67.125.254 (talk) 22:59, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: I'm sorry, but you do not appear to be notable enough to meet the requirements for the list. Keep in mind that we need an article on Wikipedia about you before we'll add most people to the list; see this page for details. Please do not try and create an article about yourself on Wikipedia, as autobiographies are generally not accepted here. If you are genuinely notable for the list, someone else may eventually create an article about you, or you can request it here. — k6ka  🍁 ( Talk ·  Contributions ) 00:33, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

ADoseOfBuckley
ADoseOfBuckley should not be on this list, as he has stated several times that he does not consider himself a "YouTuber", he simply considers himself a comedian who uses YouTube as a platform to deliver his content. Plus, he doesn't have a Wikipedia page. 82.47.143.239 (talk) 22:16, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Can you show me an example of him saying "I don't consider myself a youtuber" or something like? Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 22:33, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
 * "considers himself a comedian who uses YouTube as a platform to deliver his content"...whilst he denies he is, you have explained that he really is. Donnie Park (talk) 01:05, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 November 2015
Add Joji Miller, a Japansese YouTuber who is known for his comedy series "The Filthy Frank Show" and his comedy sketches and raps as a character named "Pink Guy"on YouTube. His accounts are DizastaMusic, TVFilthyFrank, and TooDamnFilthy. TVFilthyFrank has over 1 Million subscribers. His most viewed video, titled "Weeaboos" has 6 Million views. His channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkitABalXafr-NqceQdDXtg

2601:54A:202:83A1:615A:137B:65E5:C008 (talk) 05:54, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.
 * A link to the person's YouTube page is not an independent source and the number of subscribers the person has means nothing to us. Wikipedia works off of reliable sources and has different guidelines on what makes a person notable. --Stabila711 (talk) 07:32, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

James Rolfe's accounts
The article currently states: "Cinemassacre (formerly JamesNintendoNerd)..."

I believe this is a misleading use of that table column; my understanding was that for accounts created before the Google+ integration, what belongs there is the internal account name as it appears in URLs. If I recall correctly, he had an account as  for film reviews unrelated to the AVGN series, but it was suspended for copyright reasons. His current account is named  internally, but it is configured to display its name as " Cinemassacre ."

How could we clarify this? --SoledadKabocha (talk) 20:44, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Page criteria
Is there any specific criteria for a youtuber to be shown on this page? If so, what?

Oliverrushton (talk) 12:26, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * As should be evident from the various rejected edit requests, we require significant coverage in multiple independent news sources; subscriber or view counts hold no weight by themselves. See the general notability guideline, guidelines on reliable sources, and policies governing material about living people. --SoledadKabocha (talk) 20:47, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 December 2015
ADD JACKSEPTICEYE!!! Sean Mcloughlin, 7,685,299 subs, 2,059 videos; Gamer/Vlogger

2601:402:C001:FF30:783E:CA0C:8E35:1DFD (talk) 21:47, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. /wia 🎄 /tlk  03:46, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 December 2015
Hello I am also a muslim youtuber.. And i have more then 69000 subs and 1,800000 views... Please add me in this list of muslim youtubers... Thanks

39.42.33.57 (talk) 16:06, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. /wia 🎄 /tlk  19:41, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

I thought "YouTubers" were all users, not just celebrities
Equinox (talk) 13:44, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 January 2016
Please change Amelia Baggs to Amanda Baggs as there is are reliable sources to confirm her name change from Amanda to Amelia. The page itself was moved back some time ago. KrazyKlimber (talk) 21:53, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done /wiae   /tlk  01:22, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2015
In the 'R' section of the list, you forgot a YouTuber that has at least over 1 million subscribers on YouTube.

Her name is Rachel Ballinger, she is best known as the assistant for Miranda Sings, or her Q&A video named "Rachel's Room", and her Random Tuesdays(formerly "What Pisses Me Off"). I think Rachel Ballinger qualifies for the list, and should be added on to the list. I didn't really see her on the list, and if she was, sorry bout that.

Also, she is the sister of Colleen Ballinger Evans.

Here's a link to her YouTube Channel in case you're interested: https://www.youtube.com/user/NOVAQUA

Hopefully she gets added to the list, because she's a pretty awesome and important(in some way) youtuber!

Justanotherkid123 (talk) 21:34, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 01:31, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 28 January 2016
i am a youtuber my channel is funkmj team

Funkmj team (talk) 16:05, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
 * ❌ Wikipedia does not exist to advertise anything, including Youtube channels. If you satisfy Wikipedia's notability guidelines, then probably someone else will create an article about you. If not, you should not try to get yourself listed: doing so is contrary to the guidelines on conflict of interest. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 16:23, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Proposal to set clear inclusion criteria
There have been many partial discussions on this topic. There may have been a fruitful discussion at some point, and indeed the top of this page includes a banner which says "Entries without reliable sources will be removed," but that could be interpreted to include, for example, a person whose only coverage is a brief mention in a Gawker list of top 100 cooking vloggers. Whatever the inclusion criteria is, it's been inconsistently applied and inconsistently interpreted.

Here is an actual proposal. Please indicate whether you support or oppose this proposal:


 * All YouTubers included in this list should either (a) have their own Wikipedia article, or (b) include citations of reliable sources which are independent of the subject and which demonstrate notability for their activity on YouTube (regardless of whether or not that notability justifies a stand-alone article).

I think that some people are under the impression this is already the case, but the condition of the list and other opinions show this not to be the case.

This page is busy enough to merit this sort of quasi-formally discussed proposal, but I do not think an RfC is necessary at this time. If it proves particularly contentious, that will probably be a sensible route though.


 * Support of course &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 23:18, 9 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Support in principle. However, I would delete the word secondary because secondary sources are not absolutely required but are only strongly advised. I would also eliminate the 12-word parenthetic phrase because the notability in part (b) would seem to inherently justify a stand-alone article in all cases. —RCraig09 (talk) 00:16, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * From WP:N "Sources"[2] should be secondary sources, as those provide the most objective evidence of notability. The more important thing is that they're independent of the subject, but "significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject" is the standard summary for what notability requires. Also, see WP:NOPAGE. Notability explicitly does not inherently justify a stand-alone article. &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 00:25, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure where you got your "significant coverage..." quote: the General notability guidelines describe "reliable sources" (not reliable secondary sources) independent of the subject that can allow us to presume the topic to be suitable for a standalone article; secondary sources thus do not appear to be required; sources only "should be secondary sources" since they "provide the most objective evidence of notability."  I now agree with your second point, since all along you were talking specifically about a standalone article, and I am sheepishly striking through that part of my earlier comment. —RCraig09 (talk) 04:57, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * It sounds like what you're taking issue is comes down to the word "should" not being absolute regarding secondary sources? I mean, all guidelines are "shoulds", since they're guidelines rather than policies. They dictate what should happen, but with the underlying assumption that exceptions are possible. I would also point out that the wording specific to this page above includes "should", so I don't know how it could be said to be problematic in that regard. Sorry if I'm being dense here, but I'm not sure what we're arguing about. It seems like we agree :) &mdash;  Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 05:41, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * This said, I've replaced "secondary" with "independent of the subject". That's going to be the more crucial thing in the case of YouTubers anyway. &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 05:42, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Excellent. I like that your proposed language has had "should" from the beginning. Agreed, re independent references. —RCraig09 (talk) 05:48, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I realized I left out a crucial detail. As you are the only other person who has weighed in, I'm just mentioning it here (before it's too late to make such a change). I added "for their activity on YouTube". The idea is that the person should be notable as a YouTuber. Otherwise every notable company, musician, comedian, TV show, website, etc. who happens to have a YouTube channel could be included. It gets at the definition of the list scope ("YouTuber"). Is this fine with you? &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 17:40, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Agree with Rhododendrites' 17:40, 10 January 2016 comment. Hopefully more people will weigh in to confirm consensus. —RCraig09 (talk) 18:00, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Afterthought: I first thought that part "(a)" of the proposed standard should also include part (b)'s requirement that the standalone article "demonstrate notability for their activity on YouTube." Then I realized that part "(a)" could be eliminated altogether since it would then (I believe) be subsumed under part "(b)" regardless of the (non)existence of a standalone article. Just a thought to consider. —RCraig09 (talk) 00:12, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree that part b) is a universal for Wikipedia content. Part a), if used in addition to b) would help with determining whether an entry should be included. An entry could be notable without a Wikipedia article, but an article would help demonstrate that notability.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me  &#124;  See what I have done  ) 00:27, 12 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment - I'm surprised to see a lack of participation here. Well, not surprised, I guess, because last time I posted something of the sort nobody replied at all :/ Hopefully we can get one or two more people to weigh in. It sounds like you're expressing agreement, but I'm not entirely sure. Are you supporting the proposed criteria? &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites  <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 21:34, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * ": What I would support is a modification of the original proposal to this: "All YouTubers included in this list should include citations of reliable sources which are independent of the subject and which demonstrate notability for their activity on YouTube. Preferably, they should already have a Wikipedia article." The subject should be notable enough to have a stand-alone article, but I would not insist that the article already exist.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me  &#124;  See what I have done  ) 04:51, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Support I particularly like the bit about notability as a Youtuber. Personally I'd want to cut it down to only Youtubers that have passed WP:N and have their own article as this list is already massive and will likely only grow as more and more Youtubers become significantly notable, but I will of course bow to consensus. Cannolis (talk) 22:24, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Implementation
With no opposition, a few in support, and several others in the archives expressing support for similar articulations of inclusion criteria, I'm going to go ahead and start implementing. It seems like there's a discussion to be had as to whether the text above should be modified to require an article rather than just cites sources which demonstrate WP:N. So I'll list those I remove which seem to clearly miss the notability mark and don't have an article, as well as those without an article that do cite sources which make a bit of a case for notability. &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 23:35, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

No article, insufficient sourcing to be considered notable. Those with an asterisk are likely debatable and/or candidates for adding sources. Other opinions solicited. Removed: • Adam Buckley

• Arlene Zelina

• Bradley Colburn

• Brian Davis

• Burak Şahin

• Chris Bores

• Daniel Hardcastle*

• Denny Blaze*

• Emily Hartridge*

• Eric Calderone

• George "Joji" Miller

• Georgie Aldous

• Hannah Minx

• Jack Harries

• James Caddick

• James Provan

• Joe Weller

• Jon Cozart*

• Joseph Alminawi

• Joshua Evans

• Larry Kosilla (see below)

• Mark Miller

• Matthew Lush

• Matthew Woodworth

• Mister Epic Mann

• Olan Rogers

• Promise Tamang Phan

• Sammy Stephens

• Shaun Cole

• Steven Serge

• Steven Williams

• Tai Lopez

• Thomas Ridgewell

• Toby Dale

• Vivienne Medrano

• Yugvijay Tiwari No article, cites sufficient sources to be considered notable. Some are debatable. Not removed: Not yet checked: people with articles, are they notable as a YouTuber? &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 23:35, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Andrew Huang
 * Austin Haughwout
 * Davey Wavey
 * Jamie Curry


 * Noting another issue: is the subject people or channels (or something else)? I see Larry Kosilla listed, but his notability is tied to Drive (web series), and he's not one of the primary individuals involved. We also have a separate listing for Chris Harris (automotive journalist), who does have an article and is also tied to Drive, but who hasn't been associated with Drive in a while. If this list includes people or channels, we should probably have one line for Drive and separate lines for each individually notable person associated with Drive. If this list is just for people, how do we handle notable channels that are the product of multiple people, none of which are individually notable? I've removed Kosilla for now, since I don't see independent notability there and insufficient interchangeability with Drive to base notability on that. &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 00:09, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Pentatonix is another tricky example. 5 people, 2 of which have articles; 6 channels, 1 of which has an article -- and none of them are called Pentatonix. &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 00:21, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I think that a separate article for channels should be created. However, I would include links here to channels that are related to YouTubers who have a main individual channel - for instance, the entry to Rhett & Link (persons) should include in the additional channels section a link to Good Mythical Morning (a channel). Conversely, if an individual has a side channel, but are not notable enough individually to have an article about them, only the channel they create for, the link to the individual's channel should be included in the additional channels list for the yet-to-be-created channels article - for instance, Jordan and Amy Taylor from Blimey Cow are not notable as stand-alone individuals, but their individual channels should be listed as additional channels related to Blimey Cow.-- 3family6 ( Talk to me  &#124;  See what I have done  ) 04:51, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * This one is going to be controversial but do we include musicians who were notable in their home countries long before YouTube gave them international notability such as Psy (who according to Wikipedia, had his first No. 1 in his home country in 2001 and had a number of top 10 hits since), because this is borderline to including anybody who has a Vevo account. Donnie Park (talk) 22:46, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Definitely a gray area. I think it has to come down to whether there are sources that show them to be notable for being a YouTuber. I have a hard time seeing any channel that's just music videos as a "YouTuber", though. Lots of things gets hits on YouTube, but it doesn't make them a YouTuber (which was previously "List of YouTube personalities"). There was a thread a while back in which it was decided (as I recall) not to include VEVO channels, for example, which are only music videos and run by a company rather than a person. It would surprised me if Psy's channel is run by Psy. So I guess the distinction is somewhere in the question of what distinguishes a YouTube personality or YouTuber from someone who is popular because of YouTube, which would necessarily include people like Leeroy Jenkins, who became a meme thanks to YouTube but who never really had any actual involvement with YouTube... &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 16:37, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 February 2016
Can you please add this youtube personality? She has about 20,000 subscribers and is recently known for her Hotline Bling parody
 * Kayla Nguyen
 * VietglishFun
 * Vietnamese-American known for translating popular media into Vietnamese.
 * Vietnamese-American known for translating popular media into Vietnamese.

Linngyen (talk) 15:38, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * ❌. This article should only contain notable YouTube personalities who have been discussed in reliable sources. Entries without reliable sources will be removed. <font face="Papyrus"><font color="#35BA22">Anarchyte <font color="#1b2eac"> (<font color="#2D8C1F">work  &#124; <font color="#2D8C1F">talk )   09:40, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 25 February 2016
I would like to see Atoolred added into the list of YouTubers as I have for one recently created a wikipedia page about him, as well as I generally see him as a YouTube personality worthy of being stated in the list.

Gwhiz158 (talk) 20:44, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: No secondary sources to be seen on the page you've created, nor can I find any myself. He has 1800 subscribers. Don't think he meets WP:N Cannolis (talk) 22:55, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 March 2016
I suggest to add some Youtubers in the list, such as;

doddleoddle (Dodie Clark), Evan Edinger, jacksepticeye (Seán William McLoughlin).

Name: Dorothy Miranda "Dodie" Clark Channel Name: doddleoddle Information: An English songwriter, singer, and a vlogger

Name: Evan Edinger Channel Name: Evan Edinger Information: An American Vlogger and who's formerly associated with doddleoddle (Dodie Clark)

Name: Seán William McLoughlin Channel Name: jacksepticeye Information An Irish Commentator Youtuber, gamer and a vlogger, and he has reached 9 million subscribers as of March 2016

GeliiLee (talk) 11:14, 4 March 2016 (UTC)


 * ❌ - as can be seen on the article page, every entry needs a citation from a reliable, independent source (New York Times, BBC etc.) discussing their YouTube contributions, and, if they do not have their own Wikipedia article, several such references. - Arjayay (talk) 13:25, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 March 2016
Good day wikipedia, I'm Darwin Dagohoy from Philippines (DarwinDagohoyVEVO) on YouTube, may I request to add my name in the list of YouTubers?, I don't have a million subscribers or a million views in every videos but I have a total of Million Views (All Videos), so that's why i'm here requesting to you that add my name in list of YouTubers.

User/Name: Darwin Dagohoy Channel: DarwinDagohoyVEVO Subscribers: 1,301 Notes: Darwin Dagohoy is a Filipino video lyrics maker from the Philippines who create some videos of the song with lyrics, His popular video lyrics is the song 'Change the World' that sung by Legendary Irish Pop Boyband Westlife with 64,200 views References: You can check out my Channel (DarwinDagohoyVEVO), I also have a Website (darwindagohoy.webnode.com), and I have 15,000+ followers in Twitter (@DarwinOfficial)

Hope this letter will be successful and allowed my username to be included in the List of YouTubers, Thank You!

BarangayGinebra (talk) 07:55, 5 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but in order to be included in this list, you have to prove notability. In order to do that, you'll need more than just numbers (and probably better numbers as well). -- Irn (talk) 10:30, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Subscriber counts
the subscriber counts are all in different formats which means they are not shown in order when using the order option on the list. This means that all numbers need to be changed into a common format(unless there is a sneaky work around). We need to decide if they are shown in millions, i.e. 0.25 million & 4.5 million or as numbers i.e. 250,000 & 4,500,000

so when there needs to be some sort of consensus about which format, or you could just go ahead idk

(Fdsdh1 (talk) 22:10, 18 March 2016 (UTC))


 * You know, we already have List of the most subscribed users on YouTube, which could always be expanded to include more if local consensus decided as much. There's really no reason for us to include these ever-changing figures in this table, too. This is not a list of YouTubers by subscribers; it's just a list of YouTubers. I would support the idea of just ditching that column altogether. &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 02:58, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2016
Please change "PointlessBlog, PointlessBlogTV" to "PointlessBlog, PointlessBlogVlogs, PointlessBlogGames" as those are the current channels that Alfie has. Sources: Thank you

Sssophie3 (talk) 13:59, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, in terms of notability, you need more than just twitter and YouTube. Donnie Park (talk) 16:24, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thanks! Donnie Park, I think you you misunderstood the request. It was just updating what's already there. -- Irn (talk) 17:03, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Eric Calderone redirects to this but he isn't on the list
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eric_Calderone&redirect=no[/url] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.20.235.130 (talk) 03:08, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Good point. Nominated it for deletion. &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 13:28, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

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James Rolfe's accounts
This is a repost from the archive, where I did not originally receive a reply.

I had made a factual error there by stating that the account internally named  is currently suspended. My question should have read as follows:

The article currently states: "Cinemassacre (formerly JamesNintendoNerd)..."

I believe this is a misleading use of that table column; my understanding was that for accounts created before the Google+ integration, what belongs there is the internal account name as it appears in URLs. Currently, the primary account is the one that is internally named  and displayed as Cinemassacre ; the account internally named   displays as Cinemassacre Extra and is considered secondary.

I think the table cell should simply read "Cinemassacre, JamesNintendoNerd." Any further suggestions/clarifications? --SoledadKabocha (talk) 21:13, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Anzujaamu
As an internationally recognised cosplayer, should she worth to be added to the list? OnurT 01:46, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * If she's not notable to have an article, she won't be notable enough for the list. If she is notable enough for an article, then you should probably get the article started before trying to get her on the list. -- Irn (talk) 02:46, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I recently started a section on my incubator page. It's Turkish, but worth to be advanced and translated. OnurT 13:39, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 June 2016
Moeahmad32 (talk) 01:03, 20 June 2016 (UTC) I request that Moe Ahmad be added. Name: Moe Ahmad, Channel Name: Moesterical, and description of the channel is: Comedy Skits & People's Thoughts. Thank you.


 * Since Ahmad is not a significant YouTuber (his article was speedy deleted), I don't see why he should be added to the list. —C.Fred (talk) 01:29, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 July 2016
add Macworld UK https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT7WejN8j_nGiSfwK8TnBcw as its used by Macworld

198.52.13.15 (talk) 10:41, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * ❌ this is a list of YouTubers - i.e. individuals - not corporate channels - Arjayay (talk) 13:19, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 July 2016 - Daniel Middleton
Change "PokemonDanLv45" to "PokemanDanLv45", PokeMAN not MON. NEVERMIND, I fixed it myself.

AAG-Player (talk) 19:54, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 August 2016
2602:306:8079:B210:7C48:55DE:11F7:8FE0 (talk) 01:52, 7 August 2016 (UTC) Andrew Anderson Andrew Videos April 13 ROBLOX Player marf3
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 20:44, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

SiIvaGunner channel?
Should the YouTube channel 'SiIvaGunner' have their own page? They create unique bait-and-switch video game OSTs in parody of the YouTube channel 'GilvaSunner'. Woot000 (talk) 04:18, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * You can check the notability guidelines to see if it would be appropriate to create an article about SiIvaGunner. -- Irn (talk) 18:08, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Criteria?
What criteria is used to determine who is and is not in this list? Is there any methodology, or is it a free-for-all? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jcordone (talk • contribs) 21:19, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * As far as I know there are two main criteria: that the person listed be notable, which is determined via the existence of an article on Wikipedia about that person, and that they be a YouTuber. Cheers, -- Irn (talk) 18:09, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Irn, you need credible outside sources. The whole part about being a YouTuber is a non-brainer.   Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 02:11, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

The inclusion criteria I proposed last year, based on several previous threads (and relevant policies/guidelines), and which was implemented at the time unopposed, was: All YouTubers included in this list should either (a) have their own Wikipedia article, or (b) include citations of reliable sources which are independent of the subject and which demonstrate notability for their activity on YouTube (regardless of whether or not that notability justifies a stand-alone article).

At the time, that meant removing almost all of the YouTubers who don't have Wikipedia articles and a few people whose articles didn't indicate notability for being a YouTuber (even if they have a channel). There were a few without articles at the time that cited multiple reliable sources that showed something along the lines of notability, which remained in the article: Andrew Huang, Austin Haughwout, Davey Wavey, Jamie Curry (significant coverage via multiple citations of reliable sources independent of the subject). &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 14:28, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * So, basically, what they said, but there has not been any formal decision to limit it to people with Wikipedia articles. You're welcome to propose that, of course, and I'd probably support it. I just wanted to establish something rather than have different people apply their own standards, which often conflicted. &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites  <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 14:30, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 September 2016
'Smosh' featuring Anthony Padilla and Ian Hecox is the third most subscribed channel. HolaSoyGerman is the second most subscribed channel. You can't have two channels that are both the second most subscribed. 5.151.174.145 (talk) 20:27, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  Varun FEB2003    08:19, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

John & Hank Green separation
John and Hank Green are currently on the list jointly. I propose simply disentangling them. Although many of their most notable projects are together, they also do a significant amount without each other.

The brothers produce significant material with and without each other, though almost all of their work is under the same co-owned company which has recently changed its name.

Hank's popular non-John channels include SciShow, SciShow Space, and production projects like Pemberly Digital (they won an Emmy for The Lizzie Bennet Diaries), BrainScoop, Sexplanations, SciShow Kids, etc. Hank is significantly more active in the development and production of channels.

John's popular non-Hank channels include Mental Floss, and production of The Art Assignment. He also produces Health Care Triage and others.

Their conjoined channels include the various iterations of Crash Course and the VlogBrothers channel that started it all, and - I think the most notable - Project For Awesome.

Thanks for considering my proposal. Obviously, I am a fan of both.

Hetshepsuit (talk) 16:07, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

camelsandfriends - Alex Komechak
Submitting for inclusion

Channel: camelsandfriends (http://www.youtube.com/camelsandfriends)

Users: Alex Komechak

Notes: Wildlife educator and animal behaviorist. Known for educational videos and peaceful views into often misunderstood animals. Grand Prize Winner of 2013 Friskies Cat Video Awards and has a wide range of viral videos featuring Sugar Tree the Doberman, Nessie the Camel and others. Has been featured on Animal Planet and many other animal related variety shows internationally.

Citations:

http://camelsandfriends.tumblr.com/

http://camelsandfriends.com/

Animal Planet Episode:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzhpdcMvMAY

Viral video references:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7nvyXFsyf8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIOBTCBHyAw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IXqIaNgtec

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmnODzMToyU

Friskies Cat Video Awards show references:

http://restarea1mile.com/camelsandfriends/media.html

Name and reference of person from Animal Planet video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzhpdcMvMAY

Name and reference of person from Today Show:

http://www.today.com/id/45356587/ns/today-today_pets_and_animals/t/your-mark-get-set-trot-woman-races-her-pet-camel

http://restarea1mile.com/camelsandfriends/media.html

Other information found:

News source: http://tucson.com/news/local/sahuarita-cat-owner-takes-home-in-cat-video-contest/article_02c4bac6-9f8c-529a-815d-8bc690e9e4df.html

News source: http://tucson.com/alex-komechak-michael-ian-black/image_be4e1280-c26d-55ab-b9eb-8336597c2b09.html

Phoenix Magazine reference: http://www.phoenixmag.com/history/unfiltered-camels.html

Dogster feature story: http://www.dogster.com/lifestyle/baladi-egyptian-dog-rescue-adoption

Stylist: http://www.stylist.co.uk/life/cute/a-newborn-lamb-makes-friends-with-a-dog-and-cat

Additional source reporting:

There are private owners, too. Alex Komechak lives near Tucson with her dromedaries Baby and Nessie, both acquired from a breeder in Texas. She became a viral star in a riotous YouTube video, Girl vs. Camel, in which she loses a footrace to one of her pets, and she and her pals were later featured on the Animal Planet series Bad Dog. She blogs about them at camelsandfriends.com.

Why camels?

“I’ve been a huge animal lover my entire life,” Komechak explains. “My main interests as a child were taking home toads and begging my mom to let me get a bird. I was also a big fan of the film Lawrence of Arabia.”

And then there’s Camel Day at Turf Paradise. On a Saturday afternoon this spring, the race track hosted its annual exhibition races of camels and ostriches, brought in from Texas for the promotional event. Camel owner Bill Rivers fondly introduced his big male, Aladdin, who’s a movie veteran – he was ridden by Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson in The Scorpion King.

Like Komechak and Taylor, Rivers disputes the common notion that camels are ill-tempered animals. “They have that reputation, but it’s mostly myth; they’re very gentle creatures.” A minute or two with the serene-faced Aladdin suggests this is true.

http://www.phoenixmag.com/history/unfiltered-camels.html

Disney affiliation: http://video.disney.com/collections/camels-and-friends-4c5bf95d0e6e636f133f824b

IMBD for Animal Planet Show, "Preposterous Pets": http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3732954/episodes?season=1&ref_=tt_eps_sn_1 (Episode 2: S1, Ep2 10 Apr. 2014 My Monkey Mum and Cantering with Camels A woman is obsessed with macaque monkeys. A father and daughter duo wrestle alligators. The Elephant Whisperer sings to a local herd. A young woman settles down with camels and a man lives as alpha among not one but two wolf packs.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Onasundaymorning (talk • contribs) 19:35, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

update yogscast
please update list of people under the yogscast, there have been changes in staff, specifically Ridgedog(-) Bebopvox(-) and caff(+) and possibly others http://yogscast.com/our-channels/ (11/10/2016) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.204.168.193 (talk) 17:53, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 November 2016
Please change Mark Fischbach's subscriber amount to "over 15 million subscribers", since that's where it is right now. Also he's well known for his Five Nights at Freddy's letsplays as much as his Drunk Minecraft videos.

On another note, would it be worth it to include a picture of the person or group of people beside their name in the future?

68.143.48.170 (talk) 20:21, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Stickee (talk) 13:21, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2016
I've notice that Logan Paul Vlogs isn't in the list could you be able to put him in the list


 * ❌--A huge number of subscribers do not demonstrate notability.Demonstrate notability by independent non-trivial coverage in WP:RS. Aru@baska ❯❯❯  Vanguard 15:20, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Adding Allie Knight
Can we add Allie Knight? She has 60K subs (I know subs don't matter, so read on;), and is well known for being a female trucker, and making fun entertaining videos. She was also a speaker at ALK Transportation Technology Summit 2016 and JOC Inland Distribution Conference 2016. Thanks for your time.L3X1 (talk) 03:32, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, no one replied, so I went ahead and added her and cited references. Had problem with the visual editor lagging and freezing up, so I added the entry long hand. If anyone disagrees with me and wants to revert it, please say why here or on my talk page L3X1 (talk) 02:18, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Article Needs to be deleted
This article should be deleted, do to the nature of its listing policy. The policies (from nearly a DECADE ago, before YT became big enough for many big corporations to realise it power in advertising, communication, and creating original content) are flawed. Not counting subs? Really? So, Smarter Every Day has >4Million subscribers, more than 31 states of the Union, yet he isn't on the list. HAVING SUBS IN NOTABLE. That's why YT give out multi-colored play buttons as awards. PDK productions (makers of Nerf Wars) isn't on the list, yet he has 1 Million + subs. McJuggerNuggets has >400K subs, is capable of bringing in more than a million views on select videos in a few days, yet was added yesterday. Violette 1st has >100K subs, is capable of grabbing up to 200K views on some videos, and is unlisted. The criteria is confusing and having to have 3rd party references serves what purpose? We can all go to YT and see how many subs are displayed, unless the creator has turned off public display. It's time the criteria was revisited and revised. Also, why are they alphabetized by FIRST NAME???? Should be by last name, not first. tldr; Having subs should get you on the list. This list needs to be greatly expanded, or the project should be deemed beyond the scope of Wikipedia, and deleted. L3X1 (talk) 14:45, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:N, which is what people on Wikipedia mean by "notable". It's defined as, more or less, something which has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Subscribers make it more likely someone will receive that coverage, but don't confer notability automatically. After all, if there's no significant coverage elsewhere, there's nothing to base an article on (the whole purpose of notability is to determine what should have an article) since we base content on secondary sources (what other people say is significant about a subject, not what Wikipedia editors say is significant). If you want to make a specific change, propose it (but not in a laundry list of gripes). &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 15:11, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * BTW we already have List of most subscribed users on YouTube. &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 15:15, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Which only covers the top 50. L3X1 (talk) 16:02, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

In my opinion the article does not need to be deleted, but needs to be restructured -- possibly into a "list of lists" article. If it is restructured in this way it could be included in the oh-so-lovely List of lists of lists for easy access. Arided (talk) 02:42, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 12 January 2017
We have noticed some minor grammatical errors that may hinder a readers understanding of the article and request permission to fix these blemishes. Dankmemelord420 (talk) 15:46, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.  JTP ( talk • contribs) 16:03, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Propose simplifying inclusion criterion
I see from the edit notice that the current standard for inclusion on this list is coverage in reliable sources, per a discussion here in 2011. I think it may be time to review that decision and consider a simpler approach. Therefore I propose the following:


 * '''All entries must have their own Wikipedia article. Entries with no article, or where the article has been deleted, will be removed. It will no longer be necessary to add sources when adding a new entry, a link to the Wikipedia article is sufficient."

Why is this better? It aligns this page with the WP:GNG and eliminates the need for debate here on the validity of an entry. If it can't support its own article, it will end up deleted, the link turns red, and it can be removed without controversy. If a new article is created with better sourcing that will stand up to scrutiny, it can be added back. All these discussion templates and so forth in use here, like this was a noticeboard, can just be swept away as they won't be needed anymore. The edit notice and the notice at the top of this page can be reduced to one simple sentence that is not open to interpretation. In short, it puts the onus on those wanting to add new entries to insure that the subject is sufficiently notable according to our long-accepted guidelines for inclusion before they are added here, thus eliminating the need for debate on this talk page, pushing it over to WP:AFD which is exactly where discussions of notability are supposed to take place. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:43, 26 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Disagree I understand your motivation but per WP:LISTBIO and WP:LISTPEOPLE inclusion in a stand-alone list does not require articles about the people listed there, just them meeting the notability criteria. In fact, WP:LISTPEOPLE explicitly mentions that such lists may include people who otherwise might not warrant their own article (such as WP:1E). Your proposal would essentially mean that a core policy and guideline should not be applied to this article. Plus, having an article is a problematic criterion, since it 1) requires that someone creates it and 2) depends on editors watching this page also checking those articles. Considering the huge NPP backlog, the proposal might lead to more non-notable entries being included. Also, overturning a previous RfC consensus should require a new RfC imho. Regards  So Why  08:00, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually, LISTPEOPLE explicitly allows for this: "In other cases, editors choose even more stringent requirements, such as already having an article written (not just qualifying for one), or being notable specifically for reasons related to membership in this group. This is commonly used to control the size of lists that could otherwise run to hundreds or thousands of people, such as the List of American film actresses." and I don't see where LISTBIO forbids it. I don't understand your point about having to check any other articles in order to maintain this one, other than clicking the blue in and making sure it goes to an actual article on the listed person. It is literally as simple as that, which is the whole point of this proposal. I was hoping to get a bit more input though, so I'll go ahead and turn this into an RFC in order to establish a firmer consensus on the issue. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:31, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually, it is not as simple because then you have to check the sources in each of the linked articles because having an article does not imply the subject to be notable. There are plenty of articles about non-notable subjects that still exist and your approach would just mean that more such articles will be created, each of them requiring maintenance; maintenance, that would not be required if the subject was only included in this list. The example mentioned on WP:LISTPEOPLE is just for extreme cases where a list cannot be maintained. This is not the case here. As I noted before, the previous consensus was established explicitly with WP:LISTPEOPLE in mind and you have not demonstrated any problems that indicate that this approach is now incorrect. In fact, arguing that discussion about notability should happen at WP:AFD merely changes venue without adding any benefits since it just means more articles to patrol, check, nominate for deletion etc. Last but not least your proposal would remove information about notable subjects from this page without making it available somewhere else, thus violating WP:PRESERVE. Regards  So Why  11:20, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Maybe you would feel that you had to do all that extra work instead fo just seeing if the article really exists, but nobody would actually be compelled to. The rest of your argument I just don't buy at all. AFD is in fact where discussion of notability belong, we shouldn't have a single article talk age that is forced to function like a noticeboard because people keep trying to post non-notable entries to a list, that's where extra work is being foisted on maintainers of this list and this proposal would change that. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:39, 10 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Support. This seems to be a much better approach. -- Tavix ( talk ) 22:30, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Support. I've suggested this before (minus the RFC) and I think it's the perfect way to cut down the article's absurd length. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 17:23, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Strongly Support the proposal. The whole article is ripe of personal work and personal preferences sneaking in under false pretenses. Time to re-assert the eminence of the notability criterion. -The Gnome (talk) 09:50, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Strongly Support per . Stole the words right out of my mouth. Or fingers, rather. Blurp92 (talk) 16:33, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Support: I don't know how this list has gone for so long without restricting entries to people with articles. -- Irn (talk) 17:19, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Strongly Support the proposal exactly for the reasons provided above. Mikus (talk) 21:49, 24 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Looks like we have a consensus here. I think we can proceed with this. It looks like there are only five redlinks on the entire list, so not that bog of a deal. Since we are no longer requiring sources, I suppose we could get rid of that column, but that would be a bigger job and we didn't really discuss that. Might as well leave it but maybe tweak the edit notice? Beeblebrox (talk) 21:50, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

follow up
I've removed all redlinked entries and changed the language in the edit notice. Feel free to review the new language and tweak further if needed. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:32, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Here is the diff of the redlinked entries removal. Here is a link to the 2011 discussion: Talk:List of YouTubers/Archive 5. Cunard (talk) 00:47, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 March 2017
Newnavin009 (talk) 18:08, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 February 2017
I am requesting to add in a category for Tana Mogeau. I am working on a class social media project and my team mates and I have chosen to create a wiki for Tana. I am requesting to gain edit rights to add in this category, so that I can also add in a link to a page that my team and I will be creating. Thaosn (talk) 21:23, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Blurp92 (talk) 00:31, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi, so I am requesting to add 'Tana Mongeau" into the list of "Channels", so I would like to have a place for her in between 'Tanya Burr' and 'Taryn Southern'.Thaosn (talk) 15:22, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Per the consensus arrived at above, only persons who already have a Wikipedia article about them should be listed here. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:06, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 March 2017
Newnavin009 (talk) 18:44, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

for the moment, as I've just nominated that article for deletion. If it doesn't get deleted it can be added. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:38, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Navin Khambhala # crazyNK
 * Navin Khambhala
 * EduTuber, Make creative DIY video to educate people
 * EduTuber, Make creative DIY video to educate people


 * Follow up: the article has been deleted. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:26, 23 March 2017 (UTC)