Talk:List of accidents and incidents involving airliners by location

Missing Dates
I notice that many (most?) of the items do not have dates given. This is most useful data for readers. At the intro to this article, it states that the list gives dates, which is not honored. Tony (talk) 04:15, 17 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Should we use the RFC 3339 date format as recommended in Manual of Style/Dates and numbers for tables, even if the entries aren't (yet) in tables? That format makes it much easier to compare the dates per bullet, than the current small-endian sporadically used mess. -- Jeandré, 2016-05-23t12:52z

Table Form
Should listed incidents be rearranged in the form of a table? 75.34.43.119 20:37, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Missing Incidents

 * I am quite sure that there has been at least one serious crash in Sweden. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.101.126.216 (talk) 09:29, 29 August 2006
 * We can consider them one by one. Anyone? --Jerzy•t 03:44, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Wasn't there also an incident in Boston some years ago when a plane (USAir, I think) slid off the runway into Boston Harbor? It was in the winter, I think, and the front of the plane broke off and a couple of rows of passengers went into the water. --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 18:36, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * That event, IMO most likely within +/- 5 years of 1980, was well covered in US press, and should have plenty of info available. One aspect of it that should contribute to notability is that two passengers, mutually father and son, remained unaccounted for, and the insurer resisted liability for their apparent deaths, suggesting that they had left the scene under their own power! I don't recall ever hearing what the resolution of that aspect was.  --Jerzy•t 03:44, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * There was also a Britsh Airways turboprop crash at liverpool —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bnpforgov (talk • contribs) 12:15, 9 June 2007
 * That's better than no info; next, how about a decade? --Jerzy•t 03:44, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * There was also a plain crash in Balotesti, Romania. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.86.98.234 (talk) 14:18, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * That's probably enuf info to be sure we're talking abt one specific crash in doing followup with, initially, the goal of finding out whether that event fits the established criteria for this list. --Jerzy•t 03:44, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Inclusion criteria?
Should this list be subject to the proposed guidelines at List of notable accidents and incidents on commercial aircraft/Guideline for inclusion criteria and format? Akradecki 15:56, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Many missing incidents
There's several missing major incidents that I am aware of, such as one in Leipzig, Germany and two in Boston, Massachusetts. I guess there are better resources than wikipedia than this information, such as airdisasters.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.15.124.10 (talk) 19:46, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Reduce to jet crashes
I think the list should be reduced to jet crashes, all Australian commercial crashes is a long list. Looked at the criteria, more than 10 people, that cuts it back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.9.139.165 (talk) 22:41, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If # of casualties is non-negotiable criterion, consensu on improving the criteria is a more important task than complying with them. --Jerzy•t 03:49, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Page structure
Any page with 131 sections and subsections is broken. If no one proposes a different plan soon enuf, i'll try converting subsections with fewer than 4 entries into pseudo-sections (each addressable with the same section lk as at present, and each with a still smaller heading but no ToC entry) within an "other" subsection that will follow the retained subsections of the same section. That being done, we'll be in a better position to decide whether the page should instead be broken up. --Jerzy•t 04:08, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe subpages for the really big sections? Like a List of accidents and incidents involving airliners in the United States (as an example of a big section). That way smaller localities with only one or two accidents and incidents can remain here. -- Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû 07:31, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, so I was bold and moved it myself. -- Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû 00:38, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Proposal: international waters
As it stands, whenever an aircraft crashes into a body of water, it is listed here under the body of water and not under the country whose waters it crashed in.

As an example, Ethiopian Airlines Flight 961. This aircraft crashed into the Indian Ocean off the coast of Comoros, but not in international waters. It is considered to have crashed in Comoros, and the flight's page is listed at Category:Aviation accidents and incidents in Comoros. In this list, however, it is listed under Indian Ocean and not Comoros. (Up until my latest edit, that is; now it's still listed at Indian Ocean, but there's a note under Comoros saying "go look under 'Indian Ocean' for this listing.")

I propose listing flights under the country the accident/incident occurred in, including bodies of water if they occurred in national waters, and only listing flights under a heading like "Pacific Ocean" if and only if the accident/incident occurred in international waters.

Thoughts? -- Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû 09:04, 14 November 2009 (UTC)


 * It's been over a year, so I'm not sure it counts as being WP:BOLD', but I just consolidated all of the bodies of water under the heading of International Waters.
 * My original intention was to consolidate them under the major Oceans as defined on that page (Arctic Ocean, Atlantic Ocean, Indian Ocean, Pacific Ocean, Southern Ocean), but we only have listings for aircraft that went down in the Atlantic, Pacific, and Indian oceans.
 * Additionally, I merged marginal seas, smaller constituent bodies of water, and other tributary bodies under the heading of the larger ocean it belongs to. These consolidations are:

Arctic Ocean (see Arctic Ocean)
 * Baffin Bay
 * Barents Sea
 * Beaufort Sea
 * Chukchi Sea
 * East Siberian Sea
 * Greenland Sea
 * Hudson Bay
 * Hudson Strait
 * Kara Sea
 * Laptev Sea
 * White Sea

Atlantic Ocean (see Atlantic Ocean)
 * Baltic Sea
 * Bay of Fundy
 * Black Sea
 * Caribbean Sea
 * English Channel
 * Gulf of Maine
 * Gulf of Mexico
 * Gulf of Saint Lawrence
 * Irish Sea
 * Labrador Sea
 * Mediterranean Sea
 * Adriatic Sea
 * Aegean Sea
 * Alboran Sea
 * Balearic Sea
 * Sea of Crete
 * Ionian Sea
 * Ligurian Sea
 * Myrtoan Sea
 * Thracian Sea
 * Tyrrhenian Sea
 * North Sea
 * Norwegian Sea
 * Scotia Sea

Indian Ocean (see Indian Ocean)
 * Andaman Sea
 * Arabian Sea
 * Bab el Mandeb
 * Bay of Bengal
 * Great Australian Bight
 * Gulf of Aden
 * Gulf of Mannar
 * Gulf of Oman
 * Java Sea
 * Laccadive Sea
 * Lombok Strait
 * Mozambique Channel
 * Palk Strait
 * Persian Gulf
 * Red Sea
 * Sea of Zanj
 * Strait of Hormuz
 * Strait of Malacca

Pacific Ocean (see Pacific Ocean)
 * Bering Sea
 * Celebes
 * Coral Sea
 * East China Sea
 * Philippine Sea
 * Sea of Chiloé
 * Sea of Japan
 * Sea of Okhotsk
 * South China Sea
 * Tasman Sea
 * Yellow Sea

Southern Ocean (see Southern Ocean)
 * Amundsen Sea
 * Bellinghausen Sea
 * Cooperation Sea
 * Cosmonaut Sea
 * Davis Sea
 * Drake Passage
 * D'Urville Sea
 * King Haakon VII Sea
 * Mawson Sea
 * Ross Sea
 * Weddell Sea


 * I have been considering divorcing the Mediterranean Sea from the Atlantic Ocean and making it its own heading, but the list only contains two records for the Mediterranean, and I figured it might as well be incorporated into the larger Ocean for the time being.
 * Finally it is important to note that international waters are defined as being 12 nmi from the coast of any territory; anything closer than that is territorial water. Of course, there are disputes, but we'll need to consider those on a case-by-case basis.
 * Please feel free to dispute anything. Just let me know on my talk page. -- Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû  (blah?)  17:39, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Many missing incidents
I've heard that there has been one accident involving airliners. I think it was in the 1950s-60s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.76.140.53 (talk) 13:00, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Merge of List of flight accidents in india
I'm thinking that the article List of flight accidents in india can be merged with this article. I can see that this article too has List of accidents in India but, with some accidents are not mentioned. So, my opinion is to add that extra information down here and change that page into a redirect page. --Jaaron95 (talk) 01:13, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Support The India specific article appears to be largely a copy of the incidents already listed here, without any information or context. It may have been started as a split from this page, but if that were the case, it should have more detail, not less. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:59, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Support The India page is more in a category list style, which should then rather be done as a category. perhaps while performing the merge, the Category page should be created in its place... GremlinSA 08:06, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Definition of list
As a list, this article shall be limited to a brief description of each incident. There is no need for a protracted description here, as one click will take the reader to the full accident article. Samf4u (talk) 02:27, 12 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Agree it is only intended as as simple summary with a link to the article, anything more than a sentence or two is not needed. MilborneOne (talk) 15:03, 12 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Just giving thoughts, I do agree that it should be summarized, but I need your opinion about the description, did it make you more interested to click the full article or actually make you yawning, lazy to read, and even don't care about it? Please send a feedback, I really appreciate it. As an aviation enthusiast, I'll do my best to improve it, thanks. (sorry for my english) PaPa PaPaRoony (talk) 16:09, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

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By aircraft
We need an article titled List of accidents and incidents involving airliners by aircraft. We already have List of accidents and incidents involving airliners by airline and List of accidents and incidents involving airliners by location. By aircraft could help understand problems with specific aircraft.--Wyn.junior (talk) 16:42, 14 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Not really needed as each aircraft article already has a list of the notable accidents, sometimes they get to big and are split out for example List of accidents and incidents involving the Boeing 707. There is not many outside of the main articles but they appear in Category:Accidents and incidents involving airliners. Also the category system does a good job of grouping together accidents for each type. MilborneOne (talk) 17:12, 14 March 2019 (UTC)


 * A nice article with a summary would do Wikipedia good. There is no one article summary of List of accidents and incidents involving airliners by aircraft--Wyn.junior (talk) 19:18, 14 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Not sure what an airliner specific article could say "these airliners have had accidents". Dont think it would achive much, we dont have an article on airliner by location or any others. MilborneOne (talk) 19:27, 14 March 2019 (UTC)


 * We do have List of accidents and incidents involving airliners by location. We could also use List of accidents and incidents involving airliners by aircraft as an overview of each aircraft to learn about the safety of each aircraft.--Wyn.junior (talk) 19:38, 14 March 2019 (UTC)


 * I refer you to the answer above when you first asked the question and note we also have List of accidents and incidents involving commercial aircraft which covers the same ground. MilborneOne (talk) 19:44, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

List of accidents and incidents on commerical airliners grouped by location listed at Redirects for discussion
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1969 incident

 * March 22-23? during day light 1969 I was aboard a Lockheed? E C 121 air transport coming from Adorn Thailand shuttling back to the USA when 3 engines were blown by surface to air missiles and the Captain was forced to glide in on an emergency landing. its been over 50 years think it was Phuket but could have been Utapao . The plane had a dark bottom and white top.Please help me The Air force say they have no record but I will never forget the trauma. I new a Captain was flying because he greeted all the passengers when we got off the plane.I gave him a hug and kiss on the cheek for saving our lives. Told him I did not know you could land a 4 engine plane on 1 engine.God in heaven knows it happened but Air force has no record and said records were destroyed in a warehouse fire.
 * IP question moved from article. MilborneOne (talk) 11:02, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * It would be unusual if there was no record of such an incident but I cant find any evidence that it happened with the information provided. Most serious incidents are normally well documenated. MilborneOne (talk) 11:36, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Nicaragua
ru:Катастрофа Ми-8 в Айяпале --45.153.13.80 (talk) 15:40, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Name Change
I suggest we change the names of this article and all sub-articles to List of aviation accidents and incidents in '(insert country name)'.... as airliners makes the article sound like the accidents being groubed depending on which airline companies were involved and where they were located instead of where the accidens actually happened. DoctorHver (talk) 16:58, 16 February 2024 (UTC)


 * With the greatest of respect, I would oppose this move. I disagree that the present title causes confusion, indeed I think it is quite clear, and that the proposed replacement is vague and unsatisfactory. Best to all DBaK (talk) 22:13, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Dates
Some of these accidents do not have dates listed! 136.36.180.215 (talk) 20:52, 16 March 2024 (UTC)