Talk:List of accidents and incidents involving airliners in the United States

Airliner crash kills nine and injures 17 at Sea-Tac Airport on November 30, 1947.
The Seattle times mentions a historical accident in their page at http://mailchi.mp/seattletimes/11-30-17?e=90e6084460

http://www.historylink.org/File/3067

http://b-townblog.com/2008/11/30/61-years-ago-today-fatal-plane-crash-at-sea-tac-airport/

Sources: "Alaska Plane Crashes, Burns at Seattle Field," Seattle Post-Intelligencer, December 1, 1947, p. 1; "List of Casualties in Airliner Crash," Ibid.; Charles F. Carson, "Airliner Could Not Be Stopped, " The Seattle Times, December 1, 1947, p. 1; "Accident Investigation Report: Alaska Airlines Seattle, Washington, November 30, 1947, " Civil Aeronautics Board, File 1-0094, (http://www.pr.erau.edu/~case/library/reports1/9.html ).

Referencing
When you add a new item to the list, please remember to add a reference. A link to the official Civil Aeronautics Board or National Transportation Safety Board accident report is preferred. Thanks! -- Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû 14:59, 8 September 2009 (UTC)


 * For those just joining us, the full text reports of the Civil Aeronautics Board can be found here: link. (Navigate: Historical Aircraft Accident Reports (1934-1965) > Year > Airline). The full text of recent NTSB reports can be found on the NTSB website here . Older NTSB reports can be found on the Embry-Riddle University website here. -- Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû 19:22, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Here are a few more links worth bookmarking:
 * Airdisaster.com has 432 online NTSB reports from 1967-2002 here.
 * The Air Accidents Investigation Branch has United Kingdom reports from 1971 to present here.
 * The Singapore Ministry of Transport has a page linking to 17 countries here.
 * --Itsfullofstars (talk) 17:57, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Useful links for those interested in creating new crash articles, or expanding stubs... Here are some online US-centric aircraft accident report links that were working as of 26 July 2021... The following isn't a crash reports database, per se, but it has a nice embedded search engine that is useful if you are interested in discovering accidents that could become the subject of articles that haven't been created yet. (I used visible links so you know what you're about to link to, in advance) – Itsfullofstars (talk) 09:42, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Aviation/Resources#Aircrashes
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Aviation/Aviation_accident_task_force/New_articles
 * https://huntlibrary.erau.edu/collections/aerospace-and-aviation-reports
 * https://rosap.ntl.bts.gov/cbrowse?pid=dot%3A32931&parentId=dot%3A32931&maxResults=50&start=0
 * https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Pages/aviation.aspx
 * https://www.asias.faa.gov/apex/f?p=100:93
 * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Aircraft_accident_PDF_files (some of these are non-US)
 * https://www.baaa-acro.com/crash-archives

Lists vs Sortable Tables
Currently the format of the article is a list, that is items in bulleted form. The reason that this article started out in that form is because it was intended as a sub-article of the List of accidents and incidents involving airliners by location article which had grown out of hand. The reason that it stayed in that form is because it really wasn't necessary to sort. It's already segregated by state and, other than New York and California, none of the sections are really long enough to necessitate sorting. And besides, we've got lists for incidents by airline, by location, by date, so sorting by those factors as well is rather redundant.

But since this is a community-edited article, I figure everyone should be able to voice their opinion and so I would like to, say, put it to a vote before going through the phenomenal amount of work it takes to convert.

So here we go: List or Sortable-table? Why? Discuss -- Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû 00:43, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * This matches the format of List of accidents and incidents involving airliners by airline and it allows displaying of the data by airline, state, or location or aircraft type or date. The old format was a take it or leave it by airline within state.  Once the conversion is finished the table will be wider and display better. And if there are other lists in different sort orders, then that is an additional reason for  doing this since you only need one article and not several with the same data sorted in different ways. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:12, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

No disrespect, and I'm sure Vegaswikian means well, but I have to say I greatly prefer the original layout, with bullets. It just looks more reader-friendly to me. I'm not interested in the sorting aspect. I want the article easy to read, and the new formatting going on isn't an improvement, in my opinion. It takes much more scrolling (and left-to-right eye movement for that final column with all the text being squished vertically) to get through the article. Please, let's go back before too much effort is spent converting. Cheers, Itsfullofstars (talk) 02:06, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well that format makes it impossible to find anything. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:37, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I use ctrl-F in Firefox to search for text on a large page. Works well for me. Similar proposals and discussions have happened on some other large aviation incident lists and the consensus has been to leave them in list format.  I can look up those discussions and post the links here, if necessary. --Itsfullofstars (talk) 06:07, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I found a couple of archived discussions on this subject here, and here. --Itsfullofstars (talk) 06:20, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The purpose of this page is to list accidents by State. IMO it does that well: there is a section for every state. There are lists sorted by other criteria -- airline, number of deaths, date -- and each list is sorted by one criteria only. Now if someone comes along to the list and doesn't know the state the accident is in, but they do know something else (flight number, airline, date, etc), well, they're on the wrong list!
 * The list was originally designed to be a categorized list, not a sortable (see Stand-alone lists). -- Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû 20:22, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

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Highlighting deadliest crashes
I was wondering if it would be a good idea to bold only the links for the deadliest crash of a certain state, as is already done in List of accidents and incidents involving airliners by location. I think it will look better. Plane&#39;n Boom1 (talk) 23:14, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Missing accident
There was another crash in Evansville, Indiana that's not listed. A C-130 crashed on takeoff and crashed into a motel and restaurant, killing many people in the motel and in the restaurant. 2603:6010:7A22:4606:D4D7:ABCA:AB70:8639 (talk) 04:13, 10 July 2022 (UTC)


 * A c-130 isn't an airliner. 209.205.139.224 (talk) 04:29, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

3 deadly accidents not listed Colgan 3407 in 2009, Comair 5191 in 2006 and one death on Southwest 1380 in 2018
https://www.baaa-acro.com/crash/crash-de-havilland-dash-8-q402-buffalo-50-killed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colgan_Air_Flight_3407

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comair_Flight_5191

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43803340 209.205.139.224 (talk) 04:33, 17 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Nevermind, I misread the table at the bottom and sorted by date not seeing they were omitted. Please delete. 209.205.139.224 (talk) 04:35, 17 March 2024 (UTC)