Talk:List of accidents involving sports teams

Renaming 2011
Perhaps this list should be renamed into "List of accidents involving sports teams" so that it can include all the non-professional teams as well? There is a certain interest of gathering incidents that have had significant impact on sports teams. --MoRsE (talk) 22:26, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 2011

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The result of the move request was: moved to List of accidents involving sports teams (non-admin closure). Jenks24 (talk) 14:58, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

List of accidents involving professional sports teams → List of air accidents involving major sports teams — This article only involves air accidents, and content has been major sports teams with various editors selecting what is "pro" and what "pro" means. It would be better to call them major sports teams, since there have been major accidents among supposedly non-pro Olympic teams (which some people in sport consider pro because of stipends, etc; sports scolarships, honoraria, prize winnings, ...) 65.94.77.134 (talk) 06:28, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

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 * Support, but to List of aviation accidents involving major sports teams, as "aviation accident" is the standard term on Wikipedia, and the list contains non-professional teams which are still major spectator teams (national teams, Olympic teams, military amateur teams etc.) Arsenikk (talk)  08:19, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Support, I don't mind, I would like the article to incorporate most such accidents and "professional" was not really the correct naming of my part. --MoRsE (talk) 09:19, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose and suggest List of accidents involving sports teams. As this is a brand new article likely incidents not involving planes will be added. And it leaves it open to non pro teams. Major teams is not a good solution as that is too vague. -DJSasso (talk) 16:23, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I would be happy with List of accidents involving sports teams - sounds the best so far.--A bit iffy (talk) 18:57, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll third List of accidents involving sports teams. Whatever the case, the professional needs to be removed ASAP so long as amateur teams are on this list. – Nurmsook!  talk...  15:38, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm also in favor of List of accidents involving sports teams. The page has already been updated to include non-aviation accidents, and I see no reason to split these pages into two since the general idea is the same. "Professional", however, seems too specific. General notability guidelines for list inclusion should already limit what appears on the list to the most significant events. Osubuckeyeguy (talk) 05:01, 13 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Support List of accidents involving sports teams or List of accidents involving major sports teams. Professional status is irrelevant to the encylopaedicness of the content, and a road accident killing an entire team would be exactly as notable as an aviation accident. Thryduulf (talk) 20:00, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Discussion

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Another possibility is to call this List of accidents involving major sports teams, to cover ship sinkings, train crashes, bus crashes, accidental explosions or building collapses. 65.94.77.134 (talk) 06:33, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I think this is the best proposal. I think 'professional' is wrong as that would exclude amateurs, and I think the list should cater for other causes such as the anon above has suggested.--A bit iffy (talk) 10:04, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Further to my comment, I'm now happiest with List of accidents involving sports teams (see further up page). --A bit iffy (talk) 19:01, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with the above. A few amateur examples or examples not involving aircraft: Marshall's football team plane crash, Cal Poly football team plane crash, Bluffton University bus accident, US Figure Skating plane crash, and Wichita State University football team plane crash.  A couple others without articles yet, but probably should, include Oklahoma State basketball team plane crash and Swift Current Broncos bus crash.  Patken4 (talk) 13:59, 8 September 2011 (UTC)


 * A few more incidents that could be added to a list: Purdue Wreck, Boys in Red accident, and Evansville basketball plane crash. Patken4 (talk) 14:15, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * The article is nearly a duplicate of the sporting teams section of List of fatalities from aviation accidents perhaps consider not renaming this and making it a more general overview on the effects and problems of such accidents which could be expanded to cover accidents in other forms of transport. Possibility whatever the name that as a duplicate article if may get deleted. MilborneOne (talk) 19:54, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
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Zambia national football team disaster
In the table, there is a wikilink to Kalusha Bwalya, and while the table states he was the sole survivor, Bwalyas own article claims he wasn't even on the flight. What is correct? Fomalhaut76 (talk) 14:44, 8 September 2011 (UTC) The article has been changed to "All killed. Their captain and star player Kalusha Bwalya was slated to travel separately from his European club and so was the only player left of the entire squad", but my recollection is that three European-based players (including Johnson Bwalya, who appears to be unrelated to Kalusha, and who I remember signing in one of the Championship Manager games) weren't on the flight.--MartinUK (talk) 08:34, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Disaster draft
The Disaster draft article has a list of sports-related accidents which could be merged into this list (and then replaced with a pointer to this article). isaacl (talk) 00:09, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Useful - thanks.--A bit iffy (talk) 14:57, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note to other editors: I haven't tried merging the list Isaacl is referring to. I'm assuming someone else will...--A bit iffy (talk) 16:51, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Recent edits re location and style of links to main/other articles
The following dialogue is copied from the User pages of two editors:

"Hi. Wondering why you made the reversions to the links at the List of accidents involving sports teams. The location of a link in a date to another article is not nearly as obvious as use of the more prominent Further template. The intention was to remove the comment "(Click on date for associated article)" when done. Please advise re your reasoning. Thanks and best regards.  Newwhist (talk) 16:52, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, you're right, linking in dates is not so obvious, but don't you think it would be better if we put a Details link below the date, instead of using the Further template. Let me know what you do think. Brayan Jaimes (talk) 17:11, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. I did try Details but found it (a) more wordy and (b) often caused the article link to wrap to a second line. I thought the shorther link (mostly one-liners) with further looked more elegant. See the edit history for back when I did that and you can judge for yourself.  Newwhist (talk) 20:05, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, I was thinking in something like this, instead of using templates. Brayan Jaimes (talk) 00:07, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I do prefer your link approach to the details template approach&mdash;nearly identical to the further approach but shorter which is better IMHO. But would it not be even better if it were located in the description column? Newwhist (talk) 12:37, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I think it would be better placed in the date column, because it is the first column and anyway it wouldn't look bad there. Brayan Jaimes (talk) 20:33, 4 December 2016 (UTC)"

Disagree with that. It is more natural to put the link in the description column because it completes the description. But I am willing to go along with other points of view if there is a consensus. I am placing a copy of our dialogue here to get other opinions. Newwhist (talk) 14:02, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

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Pretty sure this counts
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-plane-carrying-5-people-crashes-near-bloomington-airport-20150407-story.html 2601:193:8300:1380:D1B9:CB7C:E517:4D30 (talk) 03:35, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I don't think so. They were spectators, some of whom happened to be athletes, not a whole team.--A bit iffy (talk) 05:47, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

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Films about sports disasters
There should be a companion list for films based on these accidents and incidents, like "Alive", or "Munich"; perhaps including all the Mayday: Air Accident Investigations episodes -- 70.51.203.56 (talk) 02:04, 8 April 2018 (UTC)