Talk:List of active French Navy ships

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Could this article be completely renewed, this time without any of the cancelled or decommissioned ships! It is after all titled "CURRENT French Navy ships"... I think the clue lies there. David 17:11, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Right, I've cleared out all of the decommissioned, cancelled or future ships. Could someone with more knowledge of the French Navy please update the list to "as of 2006" and keep updating it as needs be. David 22:06, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Why does the FN use the term 'frigates' and not destroyers? In Anglo Saxon world at least the term frigate was a reintroduction during WWII. So where the French escorts of WWII called frigates or did the FN later reintroduce what was an originally French term? 145.253.108.22 10:26, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The term "destroyer" is never used officially to caracterise French ships (though the word destroyer exists in French). The equivalent term is contre-torpilleur (litterally either "large torpedo boat" or "torpedo boat killer").
 * Modern ships ranking "destroyer" by NATO standards (those with a pennant number prefixed with a "D") are called frégates (in my opinion the ships of the Horizon class could be called croiseurs...).
 * As for those ranking Frigate (with a F-XXX pennant number), the larger ones are called frégate (the Floréal and La Fayette class) and the smaller ones are called aviso (the A69 class). Rama 12:08, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * First, the word "destroyer" doesnt exist in french, and second, the "croiseur" doesn't exist anymore in the French Nayv... So what the FN calls "Fréfates de 1er rang" are actually Destroyer in english.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.242.165.65 (talk) 22:34, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

I updated the list a bit, a few entries are gone, a few were added, hopefully I didn't make mistakes, I'm not entirely sure about the "Poseïdon" however, it seems to have been decommissioned so I removed the entry. Equendil Talk 21:33, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

New content
from: Liste des bâtiments de combat de la Marine nationale par unité 
 * A list of the current ships of the French Navy-on 28 juni 2010

'''Porte-aéronefs (Aircraft carrier)
 * Porte-avions Charles de Gaulle (R 91 - Équipage mixte)

'''Porte-hélicoptères (Helicopter carrier). Jeanne d'Arc class helicopter carrier - 1 Ship
 * Jeanne d'Arc R 97. Currently deployed at Brest in a peace time officer training role with deployment of 2 Alouette III helicopters of l' flotilla 22S, reinforced by a detachment d' combat helicopters of l' ALAT (Light Aviation of l' Army) comprising 2 Puma or Cougar helicopters and 3 Gazelle helicopters with a detachment of 40 men. Embarkation of active units and aircraft in time of war including -8 helicopters WG 13 Lynx anti-submarine role helicopters, or alternative deployment of Puma or Gazelle helicopters of l' ALAT. Troop transportation for deployment.

'''Frégates anti-sous-marines type F67 (Anti-submarine frigates)
 * Frégate Tourville (D 610 - Équipage mixte)
 * Frégate De Grasse (D 612)

'''Frégates anti-sous-marines type F70 ASM (Anti-submarine frigates)
 * Frégate Georges Leygues (D 640 - Equipage mixte)
 * Frégate Dupleix (D 641 - Equipage mixte)
 * Frégate Montcalm (D 642 - Equipage mixte)
 * Frégate Jean de Vienne (D 643 - Equipage mixte)
 * Frégate Primauguet (D 644 - Equipage mixte)
 * Frégate La Motte-Picquet (D 645)
 * Frégate Latouche-Tréville (D 646 - Equipage mixte)

'''Frégates antiaériennes type F70 AA (Anti Aircraft Frigate)
 * Frégate Cassard (D 614)
 * Frégate Jean Bart (D 615)

'''Frégates de défense aérienne type Horizon (Air Defence Frigate))
 * Frégate Forbin (D 620)

'''Frégates type La Fayette (Multi purpose stealth frigate)
 * Frégate La Fayette (F710)
 * Frégate Surcouf (F711)
 * Frégate Courbet (F712)
 * Frégate Aconit (F713)
 * Frégate Guépratte (F714 - Equipage mixte)

'''Frégates de surveillance (Surveillance Frigate) Patrol of EEZ, fisheries and maritime patrol, long range naval force projection.
 * Frégate Floréal (F 730)
 * Frégate Prairial (F 731)
 * Frégate Nivôse (F 732)
 * Frégate Ventôse (F 733)
 * Frégate Vendémiaire (F 734)
 * Frégate Germinal (F 735)

'''Avisos type A69 (Light Frigate)-Coastal anti-submarine warfare, patrol and defence. Strategic submarine support including off-shore deployments.
 * Aviso Lieutenant de vaisseau Le Hénaff (F 789)
 * Aviso Lieutenant de vaisseau Lavallée (F 790)
 * Aviso Commandant l'Herminier (F 791)
 * Aviso Premier maître l'Her (F 792)
 * Aviso Commandant Blaison (F 793)
 * Aviso Enseigne de vaisseau Jacoubet (F 794)
 * Aviso Commandant Ducuing (F 795)
 * Aviso Commandant Birot (F 796)
 * Aviso Commandant Bouan (F 797)

'''Patrouilleur type Albatros (Patrol craft)
 * Patrouilleur Albatros (P 681)

'''Patrouilleur type Arago (Patrol craft)
 * Patrouilleur Arago (P 675) ex A795 Laperouse BH class)

'''Patrouilleurs type OPV 54 (Patrol craft)
 * Patrouilleur Flamant (P 676)
 * Patrouilleur Cormoran (P 677)
 * Patrouilleur Pluvier (P 678)

'''Patrouilleur type P 400 (Patrol craft)
 * Patrouilleur L'Audacieuse (P 682)
 * Patrouilleur La Boudeuse (P 683)
 * Patrouilleur La Capricieuse (P 684)
 * Patrouilleur La Glorieuse (P 686)
 * Patrouilleur La Gracieuse (P 687)
 * Patrouilleur La Moqueuse (P 688)
 * Patrouilleur La Railleuse (P 689)
 * Patrouilleur La Rieuse (P 690)
 * Patrouilleur La Tapageuse (P 691)

'''Patrouilleur type Espadon 50 (Patrol craft)
 * Patrouilleur Grèbe (P 679)

'''Patrouilleurs de surveillance des sites (PSS) Type Athos) (Patrol craft)
 * PSS Athos (A 712), PSS Aramis (A 713)

'''Chasseurs de mines type Éridan (Mine hunter)
 * Chasseur Éridan (M 641)
 * Chasseur Cassiopée (M 642)
 * Chasseur Andromède (M 643)
 * Chasseur Pégase (M 644)
 * Chasseur Orion (M 645)
 * Chasseur Croix du Sud (M 646)
 * Chasseur L'Aigle (M 647)
 * Chasseur Lyre (M 648)
 * Chasseur Sagittaire (M 650)
 * Chasseur Céphée (M 652)
 * Chasseur Capricorne (M 653)

Le bâtiment hydrographique de deuxième classe (BH) Lapérouse class- 3 ships active (BH), 1 transferred to Patrol service duties (l'action de l'Etat en mer (AEM)) Hydrographic and Oceanographic Service. (Service Hydrographique et Océanographique de la Marine-SHOM). 


 * Lapérouse (A791) Based at Brest, DCN Lorient 11/06/1985 15/11/1986 20/04/1988
 * Borda A792 Based at Brest, DCN Lorient 02/09/1985 15/11/1986 16/06/1988
 * Laplace A793 Based at Brest, DCN Lorient 01/09/1987 09/11/1988 05/10/1989
 * Arago A795 26/06/1989 06/09/1990 09/07/1991-re-commissioned 01/10/2002 as a patrol boat P675 repainted in gray, with marking AEM (Coastguard duties-le patrouilleur de gendarmerie maritime)

'''Bâtiments remorqueurs de sonars (BRS) type Antarès (Sonar array tugs)
 * BRS Antarès (M 770)
 * BRS Altaïr (M 771)
 * BRS Aldébaran (M 772)

'''Bâtiments-bases de plongeurs démineurs (BBPD) Type Vulcain (Naval Clearance diving vessels)
 * BBPD Vulcain (M 611)
 * BBPD Achéron (A 613)
 * BBPD Styx (M 614)
 * BBPD Pluton (M 622)

'''Bâtiment de projection et de commandement (BPC) type Mistral (Amphibious Assault, Command and Force Projection Ship)-16 heavy helicopters and one-third of a mechanised regiment, plus two LCAC hovercraft or up to four landing craft
 * BPC Mistral (L 9013)
 * BPC Tonnerre (L 9014) (en 2006)

'''Transports de chalands de débarquement (TCD) type Foudre (Barge transporter-Force projection)


 * TCD Foudre (L 9011 - Équipage mixte)
 * TCD Siroco (L 9012)

'''Transports de chalands de débarquement (TCD) type Ouragan (Barge transporter-Force projection)
 * TCD Ouragan (L 9021)
 * TCD Orage (L 9022)

'''Bâtiments de transport léger (BATRAL) type Champlain (Light Transports) (Landing ship- amphibious assault)
 * BATRAL Champlain (L 9030)
 * BATRAL Francis Garnier (L9031)
 * BATRAL Dumont d'Urville (L9032)
 * BATRAL Jacques Cartier (L9033)
 * BATRAL La Grandière (L9034)

'''Engins de débarquement d'infanterie et de chars (EDIC) (Landing amphibious assault craft)
 * EDIC Sabre (L 9051)
 * EDIC Dague (L 9052)

'''Chalands de débarquement d'infanterie et de chars (CDIC) (Landing-amphibious assault craft)
 * CDIC Rapière (L 9061)
 * CDIC Hallebarde (L 9062)

Lien Interne : Liste des bâtiments de soutien de la Marine nationale par unité Lien Interne : Liste des villes marraines Felix505 (talk • contribs) 14:14, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Restored and completed list - remarks
I've added auxiliary ships that were deleted a while ago and completed it. Editing the list and looking through the history of the entry, I'm seeing a pattern of edits aiming to keep this list as some sort of little sister of the Royal Navy one. A few problems with that: Equendil Talk 20:01, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * While auxiliary ships of the Royal Navy are listed elsewhere, this is not the case here. They should be listed here or the list should be split - though I can't see a reason why - they certainly shouldn't just be removed.
 * "Commissioned" / "non commissioned" ships. This might be a strong distinction in the Royal Navy or U.S Navy or whatever, I haven't found anything indicating that it is true in the Marine Nationale. Worse, it appears one or several users have taken unto themselves to decide what ships were commissioned or not for seemingly no other reason than to keep the number of "commissioned" ships below that of the Royal Navy, which brings me to a third point...
 * Edit warring about which of the Royal Navy or the Marine Nationale has more "commissioned" ships in order to label either the "second largest in the world" is plain old original research. Please stop and stick to reliable sources.


 * Hi [Equendil] that is certainly a most refreshing update. I had some considerable concerns about this article in it's previous form as you may have noticed from the "new content" list I posted above. Sadly I had just not found the time to get to it. To do what you have done was going to be quite a long edit and I have been too distracted by other things.


 * This work was most needed and you have done a great job.
 * I think you are correct, there are some who seem to want to use the other navies of the world as a template. It must be understood by editors that this article is about the French navy and it's ships, not that of any other nation. The French often have their own way of doing things and it is not the job of WP to re-configure their navy. Our task is to define it as accurately as we can and describe it, in context and in an objective and neutral way.


 * I am a little confused about the classification of the Corvettes, D'Estienne d'Orves class aviso.
 * As you may have noticed in my list above (taken from the official Liste des bâtiments de combat de la Marine nationale) the D'Estienne d'Orves class (type A 69) - 9 ships (as per your edit) are described as:
 * "Avisos type A69 (Sloop/Light Frigate-Coastal anti-submarine warfare, patrol and defence." They are further explained as "Strategic submarine support including off-shore deployments."
 * The only mention of their being an Aviso now appears in the caption to the accompanying photo "D'Estienne d'Orves class aviso"
 * Aviso seems to be the way the French describe these ships. So are these a Corvette, a Sloop or a Light Frigate? It appears to me that the French term for this ship is an "Aviso", which means 'Sloop'. A sloop if it must be described as something else is either a Light Frigate or a Corvette and I have seen it described as being between a Corvette and a Frigate.


 * This seems to be the most current list http://www.defense.gouv.fr/marine/decouverte/equipements/batiments-de-surface/batiments-de-combat/liste-des-batiments-de-combat-de-la-marine-nationale-par-unite/(language)/fre-FR and I note it describes this class as "Avisos type A69". This would translate as Sloop type A69. I hope I am not nit-picking here but it was in part this sort of confusion that held me back from doing the job myself.


 * Also I am a little confused about the current state of the Porte-hélicoptères Jeanne d'Arc (R 97)
 * According to the current liste-des-batiments-de-combat, Mise à jour :03/08/2010 the Jeanne d'Arc is still listed as "Porte-hélicoptères Jeanne d'Arc (R 97)".
 * I have looked many times in the last few months trying to determine if it really was "de-commissioned" in May as widely reported or just tied up at the dock as a reserve ship with training designation as before the formally announced "de-commission". There are official navy accounts of the last days celebrations but they keep on listing it as though it is an active ship of the French navy, and If they keep on doing that then I think we should list it on the page.


 * On 03/08/2010 the Porte-hélicoptères Jeanne d'Arc (R 97) is described at: http://www.defense.gouv.fr/marine/decouverte/equipements/batiments-de-surface/batiments-de-combat/porte-helicopteres/porte-helicopteres-jeanne-d-arc-r-97/caracteristiques
 * The 'characteristics' so described certainly seems to be given a description of serving ship.


 * I have my own theory that the ministry of defense either wish to retain it as a non-active training platform or more likely are sitting on their hands while they see how things play out in the middle east in the next couple of years. If the US or Israel do attack Iran then the changing demands upon the French navy may call upon ships such as this for support duties to deal with the undoubted mess that will no doubt arise from any such actions.


 * What ever due to you efforts this article is very much improved. I would be interested to see your views on both the classification of the Aviso's and also the matter of re-listing the Porte-hélicoptères Jeanne d'Arc (R 97). Felix505 (talk) 04:40, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I'll try to address your individual points:
 * On "Aviso": Classification of ships is a complex story. Terms have come into existence to designate certain types of boats based on hull shape, masts, sails and other attributes. Other terms designate a role instead. The Royal Navy has long categorized its ships based on a rating system that is now obsolete but influenced other navies and the way we think about war ships; more terms have been coined to designate ships based on such attributes as armament, armour and displacement. Terms have evolved over time, a 'sloop' originally referred to a certain type of sail boat, but became a denomination for unrated warships and is not really in use anymore. In contrast to the Royal Navy, the French Marine has largely designated its ships based on their role rather than a rating system. An Aviso is/was a dispatch boat. Now, the French Marine identifies its ships based on the pennant number system of the Royal Navy and in that system, Avisos are 'frigates' (F7xx). The Royal Navy does not currently use 'corvette' though the US Navy does (or did ...). The problem here is there is no standard system to designate warships, so we're left trying to categorize ships based on an informal rating system loosely based on the US and Royal Navy, past or present, and it does not really work ... I think we should stick to what the Marine calls ships and use plain text to explain exactly what those ships are in terms of other maybe more familiar navies.
 * The site of the Marine Nationale is not perfectly up-to-date, there's ships listed that have been decommissioned several years ago. I tried not to list those but it's not always easy to find out which are still in service and which are not. There's two big independent sites with a lot of information on the Marine: alabordache.fr & netmarine.net but their lists are not perfectly up-to-date either. Anyway, the Jeanne d'Arc is a goner. It sailed for the last time in June and is now being decommissioned (see blog on the official site: http://jdb.marine.defense.gouv.fr/batiment/jda It went in style and broke its own speed record for the occasion). It will be (sort of) replaced with a third ship of the Mistral class the Dixmude.

Equendil Talk 18:09, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I think under the prevailing circumstances you have probably done the correct thing designating the Aviso's a Corvette. However the Marine seem to like calling them a "Sloop" (Aviso) meaning that in the French context this term does seem to still be in use. I have inserted the text [Aviso class. A sloop, (or light frigate) tasked for coastal anti-submarine warfare, patrol and defence including strategic submarine support and off-shore deployments. ]. I hope you find this appropriate.
 * The ministry of Defence seem to have recently changed their site and updated it, but yes the Jeanne d'Arc is certainly still listed as a "combat" ship. I guess they just can't let go of it. I to have read a lot on the last trip and the final docking but then I also picked up on some training deployment that involved the vessel well after the decom. I cannot seem to find it now though. Therewere a few clues about that seemed to suggest it might had been tied up as a training platform. I would assume the hull is to be scrapped though I have read information that indicates there have been a few plans to turn it into a museum. The http://jdb.marine.defense.gouv.fr/batiment/jda blog certainly reads as though it is out of action. I assume the French will do the dismantling themselves they seem to like to do that with their naval vessels.
 * You no doubt noted that I put the "current" list of active ships on the talk page a while back. When I started to check it I ran into contradictions, hence got spooked about it. I am glad to see you have tackled the problem and it is also good to see the minor ships back in. For example I was surprised by A758 Beautemps-Beaupré (only ship of its class). I never saw that on exploring the MD's Hydrographic survey sections.
 * Again, good work on the list, it is much improved. Felix505 (talk) 20:44, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note that I'm not responsible for the current section headers of combat ships or small notes (though I might be responsible for the word "corvette" from old edits). I'm not sure whether you mean the Marine calls Avisos "sloops" in English documents, in French documents (unlikely as the French word "sloop" would normally be understood ar referring to single mast sail boats), or that "Aviso" is the French word for the English word 'sloop'. I'm guessing the latter and if such is the case, that's incorrect. "Aviso" is an abbrevation of Spanish "barca de aviso", ie "dispatch boat". I plan to add introductory text to all sections and certain ships/classes where relevant, so whatever notes exist, I will likely replace with something slightly more fleshed out.
 * There are no plans for the Jeanne d'Arc to be used as a school ship, it *was* used as a school ship when active, as was the previous ship of the same name, hence why you might find references to that. The latest entries on the blog mention that disarmament of the Jeanne d'Arc had begun, so whatever its future (sunk, scrapped, sold, made into a museum), it's not an active ship anymore.
 * As for the site of the Marine Nationale, it might be updated regularly, but not necessarily thoroughly so. For instance, it lists Faune, Elfe and Néréide but here it says they are to be disarmed in 2006 and 2007. Equendil Talk 20:43, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

I agree the headers and sub-headers so still need some work. Things have come a long way forward though. Felix505 (talk) 11:19, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Consistency in the description of ship classes
I've been trying to maintain a bit of consistency in the description of ship classes, providing a translation of what the French navy labels them for each class, with the original name & acronym in parenthesis, can we stick to that ? Also, do we really need the small text ? It's rather unusual in the body of article on Wikipedia and hard to read more than anything. I also think digression on the type of ships (that destroyer and corvette thing) should go in the intro for a section where relevant. Equendil Talk 18:10, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Floréal as corvettes
I object to the Floréal class being called 'corvettes'. As far as the French navy is concerned, they are frigates, and contrary to the air defense / submarine defense frigates, numbered as such (Fxxx). Additionally, the Wikipedia entry for corvettes implies a displacement between 500 & 2000 tons, which while it may not be a strict well defined range, would be in contradiction. Although while Floréal ships are not as capable as La Fayette types, they are not limited to coastal operations either. Equendil Talk 18:20, 9 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes I agree, I was just looking at that very thing and pondering over it being an artifact and that it should go...I was wondering if it should be 'light frigate' or just plain 'frigate'?
 * I am not sure where the "corvette" came in must be from sometime before. Your sorting out looks good. I will head off now so that I don't creat edit conflicts as I was only trying to clean up those references to the Marine descriptions...and yes that "corvette' line was worrying me. Felix505 (talk) 18:27, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Organisation
There is way too much information on this page, and the order is out of wack. Look at the Royal Navy page, it should look like that. Nice and clean and in the right order. You do not need an arse load of information on the list... it is a LIST. If people want more information, they can click on the ship class. The page in French is the right order.

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_navires_de_la_marine_nationale_fran%C3%A7aise

EDIC class
removed the two ships that were transferred to Senegal and Jibouti in 2012-2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.190.12.176 (talk) 18:56, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Consequences of French White Paper on Defence and National Security
No decisions will be taken on Siroco before the vote of the new military planning law. French minister of defense, Jean Yve Le Drian and french Navy Chief of Staff admiral Rogel recently confirmed on various occasions that there will be 11 fremm. 8 in ASW version, the last 3 vessel with a lighter design, but two will be configured for anti-aircraft warfare. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Le marinier (talk • contribs) 23:04, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Le marinier, correct the military planning law will ultimately seal the fate of Siroco, however the White Paper hints at her decommissioning being likely. Regarding FREMM, I make the following observations below:
 * The 2013 French Defence White Paper states that there will be only 15 "1st rank frigates" which includes "less powerful combatants such as the La Fayette class". So, 2 Horizon class, 5 La Fayette class and 8 FREMM make 15! Yes, Jean Yve Le Drian and the Navy Chief of Staff did say that all 11 FREMM will be built, however, French president (François Hollande) has already announced an agreement with the Greek Government & Ministry of Defence to lease 2 FREMM to the Hellenic Navy. Hence, 8 FREMM are for the French Navy, 2 are to be leased to the Hellenic Navy and the French Government hopes that Morroco or some other country will buy the last FREMM.


 * Of the 8 FREMM for the French Navy, it is a likely possibility that 6 will be ASW variants and 2 will be FREDA variants. Antiochus the Great (talk) 16:30, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

11 fremm are confirmed by the military planning law. 6 before 2020 in ASW configugation, 5 after 2020 : 2 FREDA and 3 in an indefinite configuration ordered by 2016. http://www.infosdefense.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/LPM-DT.pdf P30 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.190.12.176 (talk) 22:19, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Only 8 are confirmed under the MPL (6 ASW and 2 FREDA). The decision to order the remaining 3 will be made in 2016.Antiochus the Great (talk) 14:46, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

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Vessels recently removed
Some vessels that really belong to the french navy were removed
 * Alizé is owned by french navy, manned by french sailors, has a hull number and is sometimes used by DGSE combat divers.

French navy logo appears on superstructures of the vessel : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Pourquoi_Pas-IMG_9553.jpg?uselang=fr
 * Pourquoi pas ! is part owned by the french navy and is part of Force d'action navale : http://www.defense.gouv.fr/marine/organisation/les-forces/force-d-action-navale/forces-de-surface/forces-de-surface#hydro

http://www.defense.gouv.fr/marine/decouverte/equipements-moyens-materiel-militaire/batiments-de-soutien/batiments-specialises/divers/langevin
 * Langevin is chartered by but appears as part of the fleet in the french MOD's list, she was recently remotorized.
 * Argonaute, Alcyon, Ailette, Jason are actually full time chartered by french navy and notably used for submarine rescue. They are also listed by french MOD : http://www.defense.gouv.fr/marine/decouverte/equipements-moyens-materiel-militaire/batiments-de-soutien/liste-des-batiments-de-soutien-par-unite


 * Calao, Tangara and other sealift vessel are full time chartered by french MOD (no page for such vessels in wiki, it's logical to add them) chartered sealift vessels appear on RFA list !!!


 * Dupuy de Lomes is used for signals intelligence not for Electromagnetic research


 * The reason some vessels were removed is because they were either placed into the wrong category or had no accompanying reference. For example:
 * Dupuy de Lomes - on her official webpage she is referred to as Bâtiment de recherches électromagnétiques. She is also listed under Bâtiments d'expérimentations at the official MoD ship list. But we can add a note that she is used for signals intelligence if you want.


 * Alizé - is a diving support ship, not an experimentation or research ship. So she should be placed in a category separate from Dupuy de Lomes, Monge and Thétis.


 * Pourquoi pas - my mistake, I could find no reliable references for her myself. Now that you provided a reference for her we can re-add her with the other oceanographic survey ships. Thanks.


 * Langevin - i am confused with this one. Is she a tanker tug or a sonar research ship? I don't know which category to place her in.


 * Calao, Tangara and Pélican - do you have any reliable references which state they are under full-time charter? Preferably a recent reliable source if you could.


 * Argonaute, Alcyon, Ailette and Jason - Jason is no longer listed at the official MoD ship list. Also Argonaute, Alcyon and Ailette do not appear to be tug boats, but rather pollution control vessels. So they should be listed in a separate category from the other ocean tug boats.


 * Thank you. Antiochus the Great (talk) 15:46, 28 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Alizé is used by both the French navy and DGSE combat divers, she was recently send to Black sea.
 * She can also be used to test new diving procedures or equipments.
 * http://www.netmarine.net/bat/divers/alize/index.htm
 * Dupuy de Lome is used by DRM (Directorate of Military Intelligence), but crewed and operated by the French Navy.
 * http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/fs-dupuy-de-lome.htm
 * She was recently send to Black sea (not for experiment) and before to Syria (2012), Libya (2011) and Lebanon (2006).
 * http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_15/French-Navys-intelligence-ship-Dupuy-de-Lome-enters-Black-Sea-3156/
 * http://www.vesselfinder.com/news/2092-French-spy-ship-FS-Dupuy-de-Lome-in-Black-Sea
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ship_Dupuy_de_L%C3%B4me_%28A759%29
 * The French navy provide limited information on these two vessels and their (secret/special) missions. Officially, Alizé is diving support vessel, and Dupuy de Lome, an electromagnetic research vessel... (recherche elecromagnétique may be translated as electromagnetic research but also as electromagnetic [signals] interception).

OK, I have re-added Alizé, because as you said she also serves as an experimentation ship to test new equipment and diving procedures. I also added a note to Dupuy de Lome explaining her role in signals intelligence. Antiochus the Great (talk) 20:21, 29 June 2014 (UTC)


 * MN Calao, Tangara and Pelican are chartered by French MOD, for the supply of French military bases (Indian Ocean, West African coast, French Antilles, French Guiana, Polynesia and Pacific Ocean) and individual deployments in operational theatres.
 * Old MN Eider and Eclipse were recently sold and replaced by Calao and Tangara.
 * http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/fs-mn-ro-ro.htm
 * http://www.colsbleus.fr/articles/1597
 * Compagnie maritime Nantaise official webpage, the French version is updated but not the english one
 * http://www.compagnie-maritime-nantaise.com/english/flotte-maritime-nantaise-armateurs.php
 * http://www.compagnie-maritime-nantaise.com/flotte-maritime-nantaise-armateurs.php — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.190.12.176 (talk) 22:56, 29 June 2014 (UTC)


 * According to this article Jason is still in commission :
 * www.defense.gouv.fr/marine/a-la-une/le-jason-accompagne-le-dernier-voyage-du-costa-concordia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.190.12.176 (talk) 11:27, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Update of november 18, 2016
Cancellation of the removal of several vessels still in commission (Dumont d'Urville, Adroit, Fulmar, Malin) New pics (B2M, Beautemps-beaupré, Laperouse class) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.190.12.176 (talk) 02:20, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

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