Talk:List of active separatist movements in Europe

These articles are kind of problematic
There's an inherent problem with these lists of badly sourced movements - people already inclined towards these subjects will take it at face value, which, given how regularly misinformation is added in here, deforms how one might look at the reality of it. I'm specifically mentioning user Comores 123 here, who has been spreading this kind of misinformation for a while now. Entities like and "Algarve" and "Lusitania" get regularly readded, despite it being blogposts by LARPing single people - the latter "movement" is very literally a person who talks about Roman oppression of the Celtic aboriginal people in modern day Portugal. Even more ... "real" entities, like Lusatia, are either outdated or don't represent any autonomist movement. The "Pied-Noir" movement is made out of a dozen of people and far from an actual movement. The main issue is that people who want to keep this dubious article clean don't want to monitor it all the time, yet a handful of users do seem to have the time and energy to reinsert their unfounded claims whenever nobody is looking. And this clearly contributes to the spreading of misinformation, especially in the vast plains of internet politics. There's an inherent need to lock this article down. --HolonZeias (talk) 19:12, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

September 2023
your claim that It's a separatist movement wishing to secede from Algeria which is entirely in Africa is factually incorrect: the pied-noirs are French nationals and based in France, therefore, the only country they can secede from is France. M.Bitton (talk) 12:42, 24 September 2023 (UTC)


 * @M.Bitton the sources exclusively talk about secession from Algeria not France JackyTheChemosh (talk) 12:58, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Feel free to cite the sources that support the baseless claim (how can you secede from a country that is not yours?). M.Bitton (talk) 13:00, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @M.Bitton Since the sources in this very list article cite "people born in Algeria" and "government in exile", it is very safe to assume their idea of a new country would be in Algeria, and probably not a secessionist movement anyway. This "movement" just doesn't have its place here and forcing it into the article is really annoying, I'll be thus removing it again. --HolonZeias (talk) 16:15, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Where they are born is irrelevant to who they are (French people), where they are based (France) and their claim about seceding from their country (France). Also, what I said in my previous comment hasn't been addressed: how can you secede from a country that is not yours? M.Bitton (talk) 16:26, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * It has been adressed in the "it is not a secessionist movement in the first place then" part. If it were a secessionist movement in France, it would have its own region to secede with - not the case. Also, I am very convinced you do not read the sources you consistently try to readd all the time. Other than the non-existent primary source Pied-Noir website, the only extant info, from a Gabonese website, states:

They are, in your very own source, asking for the regions, "illegally transfered to Algeria", to be "given back" to the Pieds Noirs. Even Etat Pied-Noir the Wikipedia article (based on the same primary inexistent source and "Infosplusgabon") states that they want an autonomous or independent entity in Algeria. I will be removing this for a last time, as this is getting ridiculous. --HolonZeias (talk) 16:42, 5 October 2023 (UTC)


 * No, the article in question says that they want to establish a state in either France or Spain, which is irrelevant to the fact that they want to secede from France (this is what this list is about). You clearly haven't addressed any part of my comment. Please do so and refrain from edit warring. M.Bitton (talk) 16:48, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * ...what? The article does not state this in the slightest; it does not even mention the term Spain at all. The article does not, again, does not state they want to secede from France. Please reread it, and come back if you find anything that would prove otherwise. Also, again, I have adressed your comment - which is again non-sensical as the movement is about a region in Algeria, where they want to secede from as I quoted, not France. The whole "how can it be a movement in Algeria if the country is not theirs" is like saying there cannot a movement in Artsakh anymore as the whole population has fled to Armenia now. HolonZeias (talk) 16:59, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Spain and France are mentioned and sourced in their article. For the last time, you cannot secede from a country that is not yours, just like you cannot renounce the citizenships that you do not possess. M.Bitton (talk) 17:03, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Quote the article then. I have read it - no mention of Spain, no mention of independence from France. The closest thing to "independence from France" would be that they see France in their duty of intervention to restore a Pied Noir region in Algeria. See my direct quote above from this very article, which you have not read.
 * You seem to have quite a problem with the term "government in exile" to even dare saying that you can not secede from a country you don't currently live in. For the last time - read the news article. In French. Otherwise I can not understand how you come to that conclusion, or how you manage to get the term Spain into it. if you do not I will remove it - the sources don't cite a movement desiring a region in France - except if you consider Algeria to be part of the French heartland, which would be the only - quite imperialist - allusion they are making to in the article. HolonZeias (talk) 17:12, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Taken from Etat Pied-Noir: "They dream of acquiring a separate territory in France or Spain, although they have made no specific territorial claims."
 * saying that you can not secede from a country you don't currently live in Nope, that's most definitely not what I said.
 * In any case, whatever their pipe dream might be, the fact is that the only country they can separate from is France, making them suitable for inclusion in this list only. M.Bitton (talk) 17:18, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * The source on the Pied-Noir Wikipedia article you are quoting - which cites a region in Algeria as their goal in the Infobox, like I said before, but you willfully ignored - doesn't link to anything, the website doesn't exist and the Internet Archive doesn't bring any results either. Meanwhile, the only existant page actually - the one I've been quoting since the beginning - mentioning a possible Pied Noir region clearly mentions the Algerian lands France has "abandoned". The only thing they want here from France is interfering in modern-day Algeria and give them the country. And again, not France, nor a French region, hence not Europe. And even if it were - in that case the Canaries, French Guyana, or New Caledonia should be included in this article, otherwise your logic just doesn't work. HolonZeias (talk) 17:32, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I repeat: whatever their pipe dream might be, the fact is that, as French nationals who longer wish to remain French, the only country they can separate from is France, making them suitable for inclusion in this list only. M.Bitton (talk) 17:34, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thus I will be adding French Guyana and New Caledonia to this list then, as they are French nationals as well. --HolonZeias (talk) 17:36, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * This edit a) doesn't make sense (those are not based in Europe, even though they are French) and b) seems rather pointy (while comparing apples to oranges, i.e., comparing them to those that are based in Metropolitan France). M.Bitton (talk) 18:37, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Weird, seems to be exactly what you are advocating for. The current place of a government in exile or part or most of its exiled movement shouldn't matter, should it? They're all national citizens of France like the Pieds Noirs. HolonZeias (talk) 18:43, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Separatism meaning
Most of the definitions of separatism I have seen(including from Oxford and Cambridge) seem to consider the term to only include outright secession into a separate state. So I find it odd autonomist movements are included here What makes things more confusing is that the top paragraph of this article considers separatism to simply extend to Recognition of a national minority. Yet this doesn't seem to be repeated in the criteria. So shouldn't autonomist and maybe ethnic rights movements get a separate page from this? Rad da writer (talk) 12:09, 30 January 2024 (UTC)


 * https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regional_and_minority_parties_in_Europe
 * There seems to be a page for all these 3 types of movements interestingly. Rad da writer (talk) 12:19, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Raspberry Klin movement
Raspberry Klin movement - Independent Kuban is represented on the https://www.freenationsrf.org/leadership page is there a reason it is not on this page?

Thingsomyipisntvisable2 (talk) 18:08, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Missing russian sepratism
Free Nations of Post-Russia Forum Thingsomyipisntvisable (talk) 21:44, 6 June 2024 (UTC)