Talk:List of all-time NHL standings

New Title
This isn't all-time. This is just the all-time of active teams. The article's title is misleading.LordAtlas (talk) 01:36, 9 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm in favor of this... "List of all-time NHL standings for active organizations" --Scary Ghosty (talk) 03:02, 14 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Done! Scary Ghosty (talk) 19:39, 14 October 2021 (UTC)


 * We could've just added a section for defunct organizations. This new title seems overly specific for something that could've just been addressed by adding to the article. Soulbust (talk) 03:39, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

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Playoffs incomplete
The table seems to be missing the defunct franchises. See List of NHL playoff series. Jmj713 (talk) 20:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Active/defunct separation
This is something I've always wondered about (even with other sports as I have helped maintain the NBA and NFL ones). I am of course assuming here, but I don't think it's a stretch to imagine that a lot of people use this page (and ones for the other sports, such as MLB) to look at current teams and whatnot, being able to just have a quick glance and be able to see oh look Chicago ranks 25th or something like that.

But like I said, I have considered in the past maybe combining the active+defunct franchises, or perhaps discussing a combination of the two. So I guess this is a good time to do that. Pinging since you made the edit. I do like the idea of highlighting defunct teams in grey (and is similar to the visual I've imagined prior). I am unsure if this is something that'd be the consensus view on how to present the information. I've also thought about maybe including the defunct teams but unranked, or alternatively including both an "active team ranking" and "overall ranking" column (or perhaps putting them in the same column? Wanderers, for example would be listed as – / 39 if in the same column or something like that).

Another thing with the defunct franchises is that they have a huge gulf of games played when compared to the active franchises, aside of course from Vegas and Seattle. Seems perhaps somewhat odd to have the Wanderers (6 games played) on the list. I don't know. Maybe it'd just look odd(?) to me and not others.

Also yes, we would need to add the defunct franchises to the playoff table, I agree with that. Even if left unmerged, it'd be good to add that information. Soulbust (talk) 02:28, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It might look odd but I see no reason to separate the two, if we're talking all-time standings. Because if we exclude any team that has been part of the NHL since 1917, then it's simply not all-time. I believe it's more encyclopedic to do that. And it's easy enough to see that, for instance Arizona still ranks last of actives. Another argument for is being respectful of achievements of these defunct teams, the original Senators and the Maroons were great teams. As far as the larger amount of games played by active teams, don't forget that win-percentage is what's being ranked, so it's still possible that decades from now the original Senators and the Maroons will still be above some active franchises, which I think is interesting. Jmj713 (talk) 03:31, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Yeah that's a fair take. Would like maybe some other editors' inputs on it, but don't think I'd be opposed to making that sort of change.
 * Maybe would change the "First season in the NHL" column to "seasons in the NHL" as in the current defunct table. Just make all the active teams read something like "1917–present" or "1917–active" or something like that. Soulbust (talk) 18:33, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * That makes sense. Jmj713 (talk) 23:32, 9 June 2024 (UTC)