Talk:List of ambassadors of Russia to South Korea

Merge
Please see merge comments at Talk:List of Ambassadors from Russia to South Korea and North Korea. Also note proposed AfD. --Tenmei (talk) 17:35, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge headnote removed per discussion and agreement. --Tenmei (talk) 03:11, 20 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The followiong was copied from Talk:List of Ambassadors from Russia to South Korea and North Korea ... because the issue may arise again in future?

Conventionally, a merge proposal presents an argument in support.
 * Merge


 * Oppose -- IMO, the context is established by the unequal treaties which mark Korea's early diplomatic history. The representative treaties which were identified by the Korean delegation at the Washington Naval Conference (1921) include:


 * Unequal treaties


 * Austria-Korea Treaty of 1892
 * Belgium-Korea Treaty of 1901
 * China-Korea Treaty of 1882
 * Denmark-Korea Treaty of 1902
 * France-Korea Treaty of 1886
 * Germany-Korea Treaty of 1883
 * Italy-Korea Treaty of 1884
 * Japan-Korea Treaty of 1876
 * Russia-Korea Treaty of 1884
 * United Kingdom-Korea Treaty of 1883
 * United States-Korea Treaty of 1882


 * Accredited to Seoul


 * Austrian representatives
 * Belgian representatives
 * Chinese representatives
 * Danish representatives
 * French representatives
 * German representatives
 * Italian representatives
 * Japanese representatives
 * Russian representatives
 * British representatives
 * American representatives


 * Accredited to Pyongyang


 * Austrian representatives (non-resident)
 * Belgian representatives (Seoul)
 * Chinese representatives
 * Danish representatives (non-resident)
 * not recognized by France
 * German representatives
 * Italian representatives (Seoul)
 * not recognized by Japan
 * Russian representatives
 * British representatives
 * not recognized by US

As shown above, the diplomatic "problem" created by two Koreas is addressed in a number of ways; however, China, Russia and the UK have accredited ambassadors in both ROK and DPRK. The decisions made in Beijing, Moscow and London inform my judgment in creating List of Ambassadors from Russia to South Korea and List of Ambassadors from Russia to North Korea. The same reasoning causes me to oppose a merge. --Tenmei (talk) 17:12, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I want to merge to List of Ambassadors from Russia to South Korea and North Korea because the south korea page and the north korea page are formal nearly the same; only the names were changed. That's why.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 17:28, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, the formats are similar. The crucial difference is that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation sends two different men with distinctly different credentials to the different capitals of the two Koreas.  The early history of each ambassador's posting will be the same because each is heir to a history which includes the diplomatic relationship between the Russian Imperial government and Korea.  --Tenmei (talk) 17:47, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose per Tenmei. You convinced me.-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 17:51, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

The reasoning which explains why I oppose a merge is also an explanation for the proposed deletion of List of Ambassadors from Russia to South Korea and North Korea. This article should be deleted. --Tenmei (talk) 17:12, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * AFD
 * the information should surely be somewhere, and what is needed is consensus on how many lists to have. I therefore removed the prod. If you want to send to AfD you can, but it would be better to decide  this on the talk p.     DGG ( talk ) 01:31, 20 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Explaining Redirect
 * A. This should be deleted. I construe the agreement of Greatpumpkin above to encompass the AfD; but perhaps it would be better if I were to post the following at the top of the page?
 * B. Alternately, Great pumpkin could post the following at the top of the page?
 * C. The creation of this article was simply a mistake, but if we assume that someone else may think about this issue in the same way, it perhaps is arguable for the page to become a redirect? As a redirect, this talk page will be saved.  --Tenmei (talk) 03:08, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * C. The creation of this article was simply a mistake, but if we assume that someone else may think about this issue in the same way, it perhaps is arguable for the page to become a redirect? As a redirect, this talk page will be saved.  --Tenmei (talk) 03:08, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
 * C. The creation of this article was simply a mistake, but if we assume that someone else may think about this issue in the same way, it perhaps is arguable for the page to become a redirect? As a redirect, this talk page will be saved.  --Tenmei (talk) 03:08, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Initial establishment of diplomatic relations
The following sentence was deleted here:
 * "Russo-Korean diplomatic relations were initially established during the Russian Empire and during the Joseon period of Korean history."

I don't understand this. I will search for explicit citation support. --Tenmei (talk) 17:05, 28 April 2011 (UTC)